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Oh that was Ben replying <_<

And death did... what exactly to become so much more likely to be town in your eyes?

Obellisk posted...

pretty sure is death or fd.

I don't care the orser we lynch them.

My how far you've come in 30 hours

Anyways unless we have some new rocks to look under, I think we're ready to find out Death's alignment if one of you wants to make it so.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Why does scum Lea ever claim BP?

If she is scum it's because (A) no town had claimed kill mitigation yet and (B) she picked up what I was putting down about Slink seeming like an odd vanilla claim.

Obellisk posted...

I've always said that 4 scum with an alternating kill And a SK is doable

I agree, but I tend to think it would require both Bodyguard and Bulletproof to be town.

Which is why it becomes specifically you and death as the two scum for me. But that's only IF it's two scum, something I can't know for sure.

I don't have any recollection of death-final-scum moments but I suppose that could be true.

Still bold of Sbell to be so confident that the game can't possibly end with today's lynch.

Tbh Ben, I needed to read that today

I'm going to have to at least consider that it's you buttering me up, but for now I'll imagine there are no ulterior motives.

Obellisk posted...

but I'm not looking forward to the following day phase.

Once again you assume death's innocence and or imply knowledge that we're looking for 2 scum, not 1.

The stuff he's done in topic has seemed just as newbish and uncoached without having to use that type of metagaming

He isn't, only "mostly" confirmed

I still if there are two scum then we need both of your kill mitigation roles to be town

Just to remind Knightz NOT to target ulti tonight.

Anyone else should be fair game. Ben should only die if Ulti doesn't, but if Ben dies that probably means Knightz was roleblocked again anyways :shrug:

if you want to claim scum then by all means, we can lynch you.

But you didn't immediately break when Ben counterclaimed BP, and you came damn close to dying then. It was a good exchange for both you and Ben in my opinion and part of what will make it very difficult if it's exactly 1 of you in a final 3 situation.

But hopefully the scum of you would do me the honor of killing me and it will be SEP

You're right, death isn't good enough of a player to sound believable.

Oh wait, that's exactly one of the things he's known for. In addition to the fact that Sbell's "claw" play feels out character for his scum play, Death is just frankly the scariest player left in the game in terms of playing an out of his mind scum game.

I acknowledge I could be wrong, and he might be town. And in the scenario where it's just 1 scum left and it's Lea or Ben? well there was no realistic shot of hitting today anyways.

Knightz would you care to explain why you still have a vote on me?

Those votals are missing a vote on Ulti. It's a bit of a blur but I know at some point I had to explain to knightz what a JOKE was after he read Lea's wall and immediately voted Ulti.

No, because the claimed kill mitigation doesn't need to be resolved today. We learn by waiting.

ItzKnightz posted...

At least you get it.

Listen, if you aren't really a young new users then whoever you actually are? I am never speaking to you again. So I hope to God you aren't Chris because I actually really like him and if you are you need to say so now because you're about to do irreparable harm.

I'm just a glutton for punishment. I can't help but roll the damn stone up the hill for the infinity'th time.

I'm gonna take a break and play some league because at least that will only PROBABLY be miserable rather than DEFINITELY being miserable.

UltimaterializerX posted...

BP is not protection.

"Every other night" throws typical protection logic out the window, so logically speaking Lea is the best lynch.

Yes but as usual you aren't considering the overall picture of Ben.

We still don't know if Ben is telling the truth. And if Ben is lying then Lea MUST be town.

Because at least ONE of those two roles MUST exist. I refuse to believe we have a town with absolutely no kill mitigation whatsoever.

And I can't believe I'm BOTHERING to explain this shit again, but that is why we NEED knightz and ben alive tonight, so scum can't block or pretend to block BOTH of them in the same night.

What about that scenario do you STILL NOT understand?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Jokes aside, everyone looking town probably does mean there's only one left.

I'm trying to figure out how a town BP fits a setup where scum can only kill every other night. If they hit her by accident that's 4 nights between deaths.

Between Scum and SK there is still a kill happening every night (with the Jack EK which could kill through BP)

Obellisk posted...

lol.

we're all wrong. Host fucked up masons. ulti is laughing his ass off right now.

At this point I'm just LOOKING for a reason to declare for eternity that this game doesn't count.

Scum Mason or Vet-in-disguise would both do the trick as far as I'm concerned.

If it's actually just one of Ben/Lea then whoever is still alive in the final 3 will have to figure it out, but otherwise I have to believe that our pathetic amount of protection is telling the truth and that scum lives in you two. If you're somehow both town then it's 1 of Ben/Lea and it will probably be someone else's problem to figure that crap out.

But i'm done trying to explain to Ulti why we can't lynch Knightz today or how the roleblock could possibly play out to ensure that we at least LEARN something tonight, rather than the absolutely nothing that he is insistent on learning. Either about Ben or Knightz or both.

That was a response to Ulti's post 161 if it wasn't obvious.

So what has scum done with their roleblock?

PRETEND to target their own clothes vendor three times in a row?

THAT is the call?

And you have to combine that with Knightz actually being a veteran in disguise, which is the most not-really-part-of-the-game logic that we would have to use? Because if that is true then absolutely screw this game.

Like I'm honestly at my wit's end here and I'm just DONE trying to convince you of the most basic shit. Do whatever you want. I think Death is the best option today, marginally better than Sbell and do whatever the hell you want. As a group you have broken me this game. I'm just a town screaming into the endless void of chaos that is bombarding me from nearly every direction.

##Vote: Death

I would say that probably the worst case scenario for us is "1 scum left" and "it's Ben or Lea"

In which case two lynches from the pool of Death/SBell/Me will bring us to a very difficult final 3. Not unwinnable, but not ideal either.

The only people who should even be getting considered today is Death, SBell and myself. Full stop.

Personally I'm not considering myself, but I understand that the rest of you will have to consider my play and act accordingly. To me the reasons I'm town are myriad and obvious, but "do your own research" or whatever.

htaeD posted...

Alltho maybe I do pity IGCD just a bit.

I do understand that and personally think we should have a house rule where day vigs can't be fired during the first half of day 1 because it creates a very anti-fun experience for at least one person.

I've seen similar things in among us groups where most people generally agree that the sheriff isn't "allowed" to shoot someone right out of the gate (with some flexibility being allowed for amusing circumstances). But at least in Among Us if you are the sheriff and you shoot someone who isn't an Imposter you are the one who dies instead. So it's a much more committal action than picking a name, hoping they are scum and either way deleting someone from the game that only just started.

But that's something to discuss more between games <_<

UltimaterializerX posted...

Its happened before. Boko famously did it more than once.

13 year olds dont even know this site exists. Theres no way one of them randomly found us and signed up for their first ever forum mafia. Ive been trying to avoid going here until after the game ends, but its just the truth.

We lynch him, then if he flips scum and the game doesnt end we lynch FD tomorrow.

Once again, leaving Knightz alive is the only way his role can get proven to exist tonight OR he has to continue to be roleblocked (or pretending to be roleblocked) at the cost of allowing you to survive.

And YEAH it would explain a lot of the more "omg what is he even talking about" posts if he's just a veteran pretending to be a completely new human being, but having to solve the game by pretending someone is a completely covert lie isn't right and so if that IS what is happening then fuck it, this game doesn't count anyways.

But everything else about the early Knightz posts and the RB claims points to him most likely being town.

But apparently you want to (probably) mislynch Knightz only to get yourself KILLED tonight (when Ben is roleblocked, or pretends to be roleblocked) and for us to get NOTHING in return.

HOW DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS SO MANY TIMES

htaeD posted...

I dont like how you remove the context from that post, FD

You mean this

ItzKnightz posted...

Lea doesn't act like scum compared to Red and IGCD.

I don't see how that affects your tone sounding salty AF about it

Btw of all the posts regarding the dead godfather this one from Death feels the most "woe is me my scummate got killed minute 1"

htaeD posted...

IGCD had a chance to act????

Did Sbell bring up the Chris thing before I mentioned it yesterday morning? <_<

I'm not saying you have to consider me town, just that I KNOW that I am so I'm taking it into consideration with my narrowing down.

And most people should be able to come to the conclusion that I have not played or solved like scum would

Obellisk posted...

Wrong. You could also be scum if there are two left. Whether you like it or not, you are in no way off any chopping block.

To me I can't be. So as far as I'm concerned 2 scum MUST be you and death.

But it's complicated by the fact that I think there's probably only 1 left.

https://youtu.be/gA0yEeZSJzg?si=kWjH9dp4ENzH-tW0

He has a great many things!

ItzKnightz posted...

you know what would be awesome about my clothing? That it would give something like a one time Cop effect.

That WOULD be awesome

But normally inventors know what their inventions to and get to pick which invention they are trying to give to someone.

I think that's what must of us thought you could do until you clarified more.

The conversation more or less dried up two hours ago, you got time

Shocking to hear this from the two people who must be scum if there are two left.

htaeD posted...

Tho if he turns out to be a vet in disguise, I will be...mad?

I'll be very upset tbh, just going to assume he isn't and I'll tell myself this game doesn't count if he is.

the actual mechanics themselves will matter more to my enjoyment than the graphics, but i'll definitely be playing this one.

So you think scum doesn't have a roleblocker or they decided to use it on nobody 3 nights in a row so Knightz could claim it?

AND that Knightz first post was coached by scummate red? Despite the fact that red actually would not have had any time to be doing any scummate coaching thats to his hectic schedule. Ironically red would be much more available for the next week and a half if he was still alive <_<

And that if he CAN distribute non-alignment-confirming-clothes that rather than doing so they just decided NOT to?

As a whole it's not enough to make him "confirmed" in the same way Ulti is confirmed, but he's pretty damn up there.

For the record I think Knightz will end up being something similar to how we use prostitute here. But rather than someone knowing they "were visited by a protistute" they will learn they "received groovy clothes".

And if they do anything beyond that? Great, but a role that can self confirm is still useful.

Obellisk posted...

back up Serial Killer? someone else gained the SK kills after Ctes died?

Flavor-wise I don't see anyone following in Sid's footsteps, but that would absolutely be an amazing role to be used in a future game.

UltimaterializerX posted...

His role is made up and scum didnt block him nightly. I refuse to believe it.

I have directly asked you three separate times, but here goes a fourth.

WHY NOT?!

WHY WOULDN'T SCUM BLOCK THE ONLY CLAIMED POWER THAT WASN'T ALREADY DEAD OR NEUTRALIZED?

Nobody knows what the hell his Fabulous Vestments do, but perhaps they didn't want to find out? And perhaps they just didn't have anything better to use it on because the Track and Cop were both irrelevant by day 2?

Who is scum supposed to be roleblocking instead of the man claiming to have some Radical Regalia??

##Unvote: Sbell

Still willing to go Death first, but from my perspective it must be one or both of you.

htaeD posted...

Presumably this does not matter anymore, since they killed Corrik on an odd night

Would be a major plot twist is scum had exactly 2 EKs and starting night 5 they become unable to kill on odd nights <_<

But for now that's information we can't possible know so the safe assumption is they got their odd kill back after ctes died.

htaeD posted...

I also debated whether its worth it to direct Bens power, if he has it.

Oh, he is absolutely directed to targeting Ulti tonight.

There will NOT be a scenario where Knightz gets roleblocked, Ulti gets killed and ben says "Oops, I was trying to be clever so I protected XXX instead of the CONFIRMED MASON COP". We lynch Ben 100% if that happens. Ben MUST target Ulti so that way Ulti dying tonight requires a roleblock.

So either Ulti survives or Knightz doesn't get roleblocked.

(As I've explained for now a fifth time)

Obellisk posted...

FD, if its 3 (or 4) + 1 + Town DayVig Shot, and the only protection is a single Bodyguard then this game is fucked.
Add the BP and at least Town has two opportunities to save themselves, albeit low% ones.

I can't find any reason to distrust either Lea or Bens claims.

Right, which is why "2 scum remaining" for me means BOTH you and death are scum.

And "1 scum remaining" means it's most likely one of you, with much smaller % chances of it being someone else.

My preference ALL DAY has been Death before you, but you just spent the past hour incorrectly poking holes in my logic which is something I wouldn't expect you to do as town.

Obellisk posted...

angry as you have been seemingly all game, especially after Scum was given a hefty reason to be such a way thanks to Corrik.

I'm angry because we THREW AWAY the advantage he gave us day 1 by forcing Lopen to claim.

I was trying to PRESERVE the advantage, something I would NOT have been arguing for if I was scum.

But again, ya'll were too busy trying to hit back to back smash winners that you made an unforced error. So yeah, it ticks me off that I explained WHY it would be a bad idea to force anyone to claim, you did it anyways, and exactly what I said might happen, happened.