Board 8 > Toy Story Mafia Topic 5 - Purchased in a Leveraged Buyout

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Ultimately I agree that red did not do nearly enough to move the needle today. He's been on my scum list for awhile so I'm ready to move things along. My main concern today was that it feels like we defaulted into the red lynch with little to no pushback of any kind. You'd expect red's scummates to have had some kind of counterplay in mind coming into the day, so where was it? But anyways

So, assuming Red IS scum, why does he have no defenders? Well you pretty much answered it yourself.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I don't see any avoiding it tbh.

Day 2 there was a distrust of Red that at least 3 of us (Me, Lea, and Ulti), were seriously considering voting Red over the claimed SK. This puts Red in a pretty dire spot coming into day 3. As you pointed out, his work schedule is the main factor keeping him from being able to be super active, and I think it unfortunately lines up with him being scum who is pretty much not going to be able to win the game.

Scum just want to move on to the next pool. This is the lynch pool Red provided.

Leafeon13N posted...

3. Enchantress (Lea)
4. Forceful_Dragon (FD)
5. PunishedBen (Ben)
15 htaeD (Death)

That leaves the pile of vultures, FD, and Death to sift through.

He left himself out of course, but I believe at least 2/4 of these are town and 2/4 of these are what scum needs to lynch to win. I am one of them. I think mafia pretty much needs to lynch me to win the game. I think they would love to lynch me today, but that is impossible with Red lingering, being a bigger aggro sucker. We have a huge amount of confirmed towns too, in Ulti and Corrik and Knightz. So if they are wanting to lynch Red over me, then my lynch isn't happening. I think today has been tame in regards to lynching anyone but Red because mafia does not need to show their cards yet, and to do so now would be pointless. But I think after Red then everyone in that lynch pool becomes viable as a potential mislynch.

This feels like it could be a lynch on scum today. Red isnt trying especially hard to save himself. I think scum team had resigned to that before yesterday was over. Heck, they double downed when Red hammered.

ItzKnightz posted...

I claimed Ken - TOWN Groovy Clothing Vendor
How is claiming "anti-town"

Because it allows scum to map night actions.

Leafeon13N posted...

Because it allows scum to map night actions.

Well i already get roleblocked every night phase so it doesn't make a difference to me. Plus if i always get roleblocked then no one else can get roleblocked during the night phase.

ItzKnightz posted...

Well i already get roleblocked every night phase so it doesn't make a difference to me. Plus if i always get roleblocked then no one else can get roleblocked during the night phase.

You got roleblocked because you essentially claimed. Just cause you didn't give a name to it doesn't mean anythung.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

That's not the impression I've gotten at all.

You feel there are people avoiding him? Or what do you mean?

ItzKnightz posted...

I claimed Ken - TOWN Groovy Clothing Vendor
How is claiming "anti-town"

You really should realize by now that the fact that you claimed is the REASON that you are being roleblocked every night.

If you had not done that they wouldn't know for sure that you had a power and you might have been able to use it at least once.

So whatever clothing vendor means? It didn't matter any more because you claimed. So unless red happens to be scum roleblocker then chances are you get roleblocked tonight as well.

.

And Lopen being forced to claim day 1 is the REASON he died night 1. So that's a tracker and a clothing vendor completely nullified by claims. Claiming with no purpose can in fact be anti town.

ItzKnightz posted...

Well i already get roleblocked every night phase so it doesn't make a difference to me. Plus if i always get roleblocked then no one else can get roleblocked during the night phase.

This is a really good thing. Especially since we dont know what clothing does,

Knightz...your role PM doesnt mention pineapples does it?

Leafeon13N posted...

You got roleblocked because you essentially claimed. Just cause you didn't give a name to it doesn't mean anythung.

If i am roleblocked, no one else can get roleblocked.

Red I believe you know your mappable actions dont matter if you are lynched.

PunishedBen posted...

Scum just want to move on to the next pool. This is the lynch pool Red provided.

Why would we move onto the pool red provided if red flips scum? That would directly play into his hands, no? His words only carry weight if he's town.

I will be so proud of Knightz if clothing does absolutely nothing and he drew the mafia roleblock two nights in a row, and they blocked nothing.

If Igknightz turns out to be 4th party independent with the same win condition that I once had, I will tip my hat off to him.
..But he probably never claims day1 in that case, even as a new player.

PunishedBen posted...

This is a really good thing. Especially since we dont know what clothing does,

Knightz...your role PM doesnt mention pineapples does it?

No just go make the world groovy or something like that.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Why would we move onto the pool red provided if red flips scum? That would directly play into his hands, no? His words only carry weight if he's town.

That's the pool we all agree with. The game has a lot of "confirmed towns" and then the 5 of us who arent.

We probably shouldn't have Sbell as so confirmed, but what can you do. That's a conversation for another time. Or right now if you would like

PunishedBen posted...

I will be so proud of Knightz if clothing does absolutely nothing and he drew the mafia roleblock two nights in a row, and they blocked nothing.

considering ive gotten blocked every night, the scum are afraid of what the clothing might do.

ItzKnightz posted...

If i am roleblocked, no one else can get roleblocked.

So?

Cop is dead
Tracker is dead

We might have a doctor or protecting role lurking somewhere, but a third scanning role seems unlikely. Maybe one of your clothing gifts is a single use scan of some kind? We'll probably never know. Other than the guilty cop scan on the SK, we got next to no town information this game.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Why would we move onto the pool red provided if red flips scum? That would directly play into his hands, no? His words only carry weight if he's town.

I think the only unique word that Red has given for post Death is that he likes Sbell based on vibes enough to call him town. And that he likes me the most out of the remaining sift pool, but not enough to ya know...take me out of it.

Dangit I always capitalize death now even when I;m talking about the concept because muscle memory

Forceful_Dragon posted...

So?

Cop is dead
Tracker is dead

We might have a doctor or protecting role lurking somewhere, but a third scanning role seems unlikely. Maybe one of your clothing gifts is a single use scan of some kind? We'll probably never know. Other than the guilty cop scan on the SK, we got next to no town information this game.

Such a downer ): You're probably right but... Knightz would still be playing it correctly. Not his fault those things died.

Dang
I am getting framed for every death due to my name.

PunishedBen posted...

I think the only unique word that Red has given for post Death is that he likes Sbell based on vibes enough

Not vibes was first town read. Still trust.

PunishedBen posted...

We probably shouldn't have Sbell as so confirmed,

No, we shouldn't.

Ulti I agree with
Corrik I guess I agree with
Knightz I agree with, reluctantly

But to me that leaves red, you, Lea, sbell, death. If there really is no kill tonight then we have some time, but I'm not relying on that to be the case.

Leafeon13N posted...

Not vibes was first town read. Still trust.

That will actually be helpful if you flip town.

Anyways church is starting and I'm not sure how long before someone hammers. I think this is accurate to what we know.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/64e22569.png

Leafeon13N posted...

Not vibes was first town read. Still trust.

why dont you at least claim alignment?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Anyways church is starting and I'm not sure how long before someone hammers. I think this is accurate to what we know.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/64e22569.png

Ill like to update my scum list to: Red, Death and Ben.

ItzKnightz posted...

why dont you at least claim alignment?

If he's town he's going to say town

If he's scum he's going to say town

What is the point? How will him saying the word "town" affect how you feel about him?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If he's town he's going to say town

If he's scum he's going to say town

What is the point? How will him saying the word "town" affect how you feel about him?

But claiming town gives the mafia too much information /s

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If he's town he's going to say town

If he's scum he's going to say town

What is the point? How will him saying the word "town" affect how you feel about him?

it might help confence me to change my vote.

ItzKnightz posted...

why dont you at least claim alignment?

I want to die except i dont.

(I'm town knightz).

PunishedBen posted...

But claiming town gives the mafia too much information /s

The mafia already know who's town and who's not.

Leafeon13N posted...

I want to die except i dont.

?

Are you saying you're vanilla or is there more to this?

PunishedBen posted...

?

Are you saying you're vanilla or is there more to this?

That was more exasperation at knightz than anything.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Corrik had one shot. He is NOT confirmed town.

It would be nice if we knew what the clothes did. If there was a shot there it could be telling. But we know scum spent an EK (probably unlockable) on night 1 to kill Lopen, would they have that AND as day vig? I'd wager not and just give Corrik the credit for a great shot.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Corrik had one shot. He is NOT confirmed town.

There was a doublekill follow up. Hes confirmed.

Leafeon13N posted...

There was a doublekill follow up. Hes confirmed.

I agree, but if the scum team didn't get the ability to kill on odd nights when the SK died then I could see a world where they are given 2 eks. Especially if town has a shot somewhere else (clothes?)

But that's really scraping the barrel, I'm fine leaving Corrik in the confirmed pile.

If there is a kill tonight then Corrik is especially confirmed, in fact it probably will be Corrik. And dont forget the fact that he shot scum...

htaeD posted...

Dang
I am getting framed for every death due to my name.

Ya know, Chang had Death on his list of 3 scum ;)

Scum so needs to kill extra confirmed Ulti as well.

That's why Chang was such an odd choice last night.

I guess they are still looking for the protection first

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Scum so needs to kill extra confirmed Ulti as well.

That's why Chang was such an odd choice last night.

I guess they are still looking for the protection first

Yeah I think its that. I think if Ken (ItzKnightz) was something as important as the doctor or bullet proof vest vendor then he would have been told.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Knight.

Do you know what a pineapple is?

Yes I do. It's a spiky fruit commonly found in hawaii.

UltimaterializerX posted...

##Unvote
##Vote: Lea

This lynch is playing out too much like one of those dead game lynches where everyone is okay with the lynch due to it being inevitable for days, then the accused ends up flipping town vanilla. Red you're good to just claim it at this point. If you guys end up lynching him and he does flip vanilla, FD needs to be lynched tomorrow and I can promise I'm targeting no one else. MZero's point on day one was correct in that FD is asking town to commit to a bad strategy, then doubling down on it. No thanks.

The Lea/Lopen interaction on day one is one I want to explore here. Lea, why did you go after him in the first place?

Oooh. I like the spicy

UltimaterializerX posted...

FD needs to be lynched tomorrow and I can promise I'm targeting no one else. MZero's point on day one was correct in that FD is asking town to commit to a bad strategy, then doubling down on it. No thanks.

You are wrong

I was right

And except for Kirby I was the ONLY person who was right day 1.

We squandered a golden opportunity afforded to us by Corrik's shot and that's bottom line.

But hey keep sussing me, that only means scum is less likely to target me at night unless they think I'm the prot.

If you read day one you can see all the reasons I voted Lopen. Congrats on blowing the game for town, again.

But seriously Ulti, I'm the only one talking about how the red lynch feels off. It remind me of bloodborne when Lopen was the defacto lynch and I was the only one questioning it and explaining that aspects of it didn't feel right.

Somehow you take that to mean that if red flips town I must be scum?