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TopicDo you like winter hats with the pom pom things on top
Enclave
03/10/24 9:03:06 PM
#9
EyeWontBeFooled posted...
Toques are great :)


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TopicPS5 owners, are you still using the original controller that came with it?
Enclave
03/10/24 7:52:11 PM
#35
Yes, I have my launch controller regularly being used on my PC

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/10/24 12:16:27 PM
#485
IdiotMachine posted...
Are people advocating for a baby to make their own decisions being serious? Have you ever been with a baby? They cant make decisions lol.

THAT'S THE POINT!

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TopicPost 50 gives 50 dollars.
Enclave
03/10/24 4:50:29 AM
#3
Maybe Vietnamese Dong, for the meme.

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TopicWtf is it just me or siracha sauce taste different?
Enclave
03/10/24 2:12:11 AM
#9
It absolutely is different now, it's not as good. It's largely due to a change in jalapeno pepper variety. Huy Fong done fucked up when they tried to screw their old supplier, I'm not sure they're going to ever come back to having a condiment that will compete with ketchup and mustard like Sriracha was starting to.

Apparently the Underwood Farms sriracha is pretty close to the old Huy Fong sriracha.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/10/24 12:36:00 AM
#464
Zonbei posted...
You cant take away consent from babies.

Yeah, we're done here.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/10/24 12:22:21 AM
#462
Zonbei posted...
Because there are minor benefits, and I dont care as much as you do about clutching my pearls over performing medicine when it comes to babies, a thing we do in many many other circumstances. Babies dont have bodily autonomy and never have.

I dont see why you are so confused by this. Minor benefits. Medical procedure. People can choose to have it done or not for their children. Just like any medical procedure. you believe its some horrible thing. I believe its a Tuesday. Thats the difference here. You have spent a million words arguing anything but that for sone reason, desperate to find something you can prove wrong.

So there, you don't care about taking consent away from people. That says everything and does not speak well for you or others that take your position.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/10/24 12:16:06 AM
#458
Zonbei posted...
The projection here is insane. You literally invented that I claimed circumcision solved major problems, then tried to use the lack of the existence of major problems as a reason I was wrong.

Theres no scattershot; Ive been pretty clear this entire fucking time that it has the minor benefits of lowering STI and penile cancer occurence. I was reminded of phimosis and other rare issues caused by having a foreskin, because someone else brought it up. Thats it. Thats the entirety of my points. So scattershot, clearly.

Oh my god, so if you admit all the supposed "problems" are not actually problems WHY do you think it's okay to perform a non-consensual cosmetic surgery on a child? It's absolute lunacy that people think this is okay and the people who defend it come up with the most pointless stupid fucking reasons to do it as justification.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/10/24 12:11:12 AM
#454
Zonbei posted...
Why would there be a phimosis epidemic? What the fuck are you talking about? Its a fairly rare condition. Not circumcising doesnt create an epidemic.

The problem still exists, and the medical consensus is literally that circumcision does have minor benefits. No amount of you trying to handwave that away or outright lie about it is going to change that.

If you're going to be literally removing a part of a persons body without consent you better have a damn good reason for it. You seem to just try to scattershot for literally any possible excuse you can reach for that's clearly not actually a real problem. It's like you're just looking for any possible excuse to justify an unjustifiable position.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/10/24 12:00:04 AM
#450
Zonbei posted...
Read your own link. Some
causes of phimosis may be prevented via good hygiene. Some. May. Other causes include scarring, infection unrelated to bad hygiene, literal diabetes as is said in the link, and just straight up bad luck because it was pulled back too forcefully. Thank god you didnt just find the first thing that sort of agreed with you and tossed it out like a shield, or you might look silly.

Do you guys ever get sick of being objectively wrong? Youd think if you did, youd modify your behavior, maybe pay more attention, do more research.

And you are once again ignoring that there's no great phimosis epidemic in Europe.

You keep saying I'm wrong but you ignore the fact that a rather massive number of men in the world are not circumcised and yet all these medical problems you complain about are not actually some major problem and then accuse me of being wrong. I'm not wrong, I'm being a realist. These "problems" solved by circumcision are not actually problems and we have billions of people in the world as proof of that.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/09/24 11:27:56 PM
#444
Zonbei posted...
You didnt actually ready what they said, did you? Theyre talking about phimosis. There is no basic hygiene to fix the issue theyre discussing.

Again your ignorance.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/a_to_z/phimosis-and-paraphimosis-a-to-z

Phimosis may be prevented by good hygiene.

Teach your kid how to have proper hygiene to prevent phimosis.

As always you'll note there's not some huge phimosis problem in Europe so why are the pro-elective cosmetic surgery on infants bringing it up like it's some huge problem? Because they don't have any actual real problems with not getting circumcised to bring up. It's almost like it's a completely needless surgery to inflict on somebody who cannot consent to it.

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TopicWould you try this beer?
Enclave
03/09/24 11:14:19 PM
#7
Not particularly a fan of sour beer so no.

I don't mind trying out more fruity beers but I just don't really like sour beers.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/09/24 11:03:18 PM
#439
BigB0ss13 posted...
You NEED to circumcize your kid. Can't risk getting phimosis and having your kid think it's normal until adulthood then gotta get adult circumcision which will leave really noticeable scars unless he can some how not get a boner which he probably can't prevent with stuff like morning wood, seeing an attractive person, etc. Plus with phimosis you can't clean well in there and it will be painful to try to retract the skin

Just teach your kid how to wash their dick, why is this considered so outrageous? Teaching your kid basic god damn hygiene isn't difficult.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/09/24 9:50:32 PM
#403
Sonixs posted...
And nobody has ever genuinely said "oh I wish I still had my foreskin"

That's demonstrably false.

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TopicName a cancelled TV show that deserves another season.
Enclave
03/09/24 9:49:03 PM
#92
I'm going to have to go with Supernatural and M.A.S.H.

/s

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/09/24 9:33:49 PM
#376
Sonixs posted...
Both are necessary pieces of skin that can be removed with no problem.

Look, if you're going to compare foreskin to an abnormal growth you already have no argument and are beyond easily ignored. Don't be like Zonbei.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/09/24 9:29:11 PM
#367
Sonixs posted...
Explain skin tags

So you're comparing a part of a body that you're born with with a literal tumour.

Like I said, pro-mutilation side of this argument have nothing but absolutely batshit insane arguments, every single one of them.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/09/24 9:22:44 PM
#363
Reminder because apparently people who like cutting body parts off of infants don't seem to understand this.

Toe nails? Hair? They grow back and I don't recall the last time somebody had medical complications from getting a basic hair cut.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/09/24 5:18:52 PM
#315
Zonbei posted...
Free healthcare is absolutely going to make it less likely for you to spread STIs. Please use your brain.

as for the rest of what you said, more assumptions about me personally and armchair psychology. Shush.

No, what's going to make you less likely to spread STIs are fucking condoms.

Why is it every single pro-circumcision person is like this? Does anybody know why?

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TopicWhat DND alignment is Donald Trump?
Enclave
03/09/24 5:14:23 PM
#54
DarkChozoGhost posted...
His weaponization of the law prevents him from being fully chaotic, but his constant breaking of the law and sowing of chaos prevents him from being lawful. Neutral Evil unquestionably.

Chaotic Evil isn't required to be unlawful, in fact if they never weaponize the law then they aren't being very chaotic are they?

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TopicThe Feds are coming for "Extremist" gamers
Enclave
03/09/24 5:11:12 PM
#11
TotallyNotAGirl posted...
All I can think of is the awful track record of the FBI when it comes to identifying extremism, Hasan Piker, a popular Twitch streamer who often streams while playing video games under the handle HasanAbi, says of the mechanisms. Theyre much better at finding vulnerable teenagers with mental disabilities to take advantage of.

LMAO

I mean, he's not wrong.

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Topic$4,000,000,000 but it rains every day for the rest of you life.
Enclave
03/09/24 1:08:15 PM
#7
Yeah sure.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/09/24 10:21:01 AM
#309
Zonbei posted...
Cool pretending to be a psychologist you did there. Im not defensive about it at all; I legitimately am glad it was done and feel better off, personally. You can believe whatever you want, but its a story youre telling yourself.

Ive said multiple times I dont know much about the experience of having a foreskin, because I dont have one, and can only speak on what others have told me.

The only thing Ive said that may be objectively wrong that I didnt get from uncircumcised friend and women who have been with uncircumcised men was that the glans shouldnt be eternally moist; I was talking more about dampness, water, sweat, etc, but I was surprised to find uncircumcised penises actually secrete what is essentially mucus, which I presume is what the other guy meant. (Although that is less a function of the foreskin and more the glans, the foreskin does keep the mucus membrane from keratinizing, so in a roundabout way it keeps it moist, in terms of gross dick mucus.)

the incidence of HIV and STDS isnt wildly different between these two counties so clearly circumcising has no impact has been addressed MULTIPLE times already. That isnt how that works. You cant possibly draw that conclusion, many factors affect those rates. Europe has public health care, but by your logic, that has zero effect on std spread, despite the fact thats obviously not true.

Also, nobody has ever said it was a huge impact. Its a minor benefit.

Not pretending to be a psychologist, look at your freakin' replies, you are absolutely ignorant on this issue.

Also I don't really care if you've "addressed" anything since your addressing it is all nonsense. You're making wild reaches to try to excuse performing unnecessary and non-consensual cosmetic surgery on babies and likely because it was done to you so that's why you're taking that side. It's nonsensical.

I mean seriously, it's apples to fucking apples, especially when you're comparing Europe to North America (which includes Canada by the way which DOES have public healthcare). Having access to free healthcare is not going to make it less likely for penis cancer to show up nor make you less likely to catch an STI, it'll help with treatment of those issues but it won't stop them from actually happening.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/09/24 7:45:30 AM
#290
Zonbei posted...
No, Im comparing an elective surgery to an elective surgery. If youre against one because of consent and not being necessary youre against all of them. The HPV vaccine isnt a necessity for children. ( it you should get it.) Cleft lip and other surgeries arent medically necessary for all children.

Im not the one making blanket statements to justify my opposition to something here. Im just point out its silly to make those blanket statements, which you clearly
agree with given you understand these things arent the same.

Correcting literal visible birth defects like a cleft lip results in the recipient having a measurably improved quality of life, correcting crooked teeth not only results in the same but it can also help avoid potential (and far more likely than the very rare penis cancer) health impacts (especially regarding wisdom teeth).

Vaccines prevent spread of major communicable disease and helps protect people who are immune compromised who are unable to get vaccinated, again this is not comparable to the alleged and minor benefits around circumcision as rates of penis cancer and HIV are not wildly different between North America and Europe and thus circumcision is clearly not actually a very relevant factor in those.

Of course your more recent posts seem to suggest that you're on the side you're on not because you're actually informed on the subject at all but rather you're defensive about the fact that your parents had an unnecessary cosmetic procedure done on you when you were a baby and now you're trying to rationalise it, this seems apparent from the fact that you seem incredibly ignorant about the foreskin in general.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/09/24 2:31:46 AM
#265
Zonbei posted...
So youre against all nonessential medical
procedures that change the body for anyone under 18? So you oppose cleft lip being fixed when its not medically necessary? Braces? Vaccines? Any sort of surgery to correct a disability or deformity? Or do you have some other threshold thats lesser than necessary?

Are you seriously comparing foreskin to deformities and diseases/viruses?

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TopicHold up, why do rich dudes pay for escorts when they don't have to?
Enclave
03/09/24 2:00:20 AM
#2
AzNDarkSamurai posted...
if youre rich and you can pretty much get any girl you want?

Because contrary to what some believe? This isn't actually true.

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TopicC/D: Force Awakens is a nostalgia pandering mess
Enclave
03/09/24 1:56:54 AM
#73
Toonstrack posted...
No arguments as usual.

Star wars fans fell on their own sword long ago. Im a huge fan but the fanbase is incorrigible.

I already explained it, if you want me to do a deep dive in all the terrible aspects to Last Jedi well sorry but I don't feel like wasting that much time.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/08/24 8:04:42 PM
#230
Zonbei posted...
No one is talking about a penis cancer epidemic. Just the actual fact that circumcision reduces the change of penile cancer. Those are not the same thing. You are employing a bad faith false equivalency. Similarly, literally no one has advocated for not washing dicks and not using condoms. You are straight up lying.

It becomes more apparent youre just trying to be inflammatory in your next paragraph where you insanely start talking about kids and attraction, because literally what the hell is wrong with you? What kind of shit is going on in your head that your mind made that fucking bananas leap in logic?

Dude, come on, this discussion has happened on this board so many damn times and the exact same clown arguments always come up as excuses to do an unnecessary cosmetic surgery on infants who cannot give consent.

Also the reference to the guy who wanted parents to circumcise their kids because they find it more attractive? Literally happened on this board. The pro-circumcision side are god damn ridiculous on this subject.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/08/24 7:46:15 PM
#219
Holy shit, the pro-mutilation side is once again talking about the penis cancer epidemic and advocating for not washing dicks or using condoms.

Why do they always do this? What's next? Some guy coming in talking about how he wants people to circumcise their children because they want the kids to have more attractive dicks again?

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TopicU.S. government denies any knowledge of alien technology
Enclave
03/08/24 2:47:51 PM
#29
Guide posted...
This is just a weird way to argue what is essentially the same thing. What you're saying is equivalent to sticking to a particular model of car when discussing the general concept of cars. Like, never mind that Drake's equation was for our galaxy; the equation isn't the point and there's no obligation to use it as the lens to view the concept.

This.

Also I'd forgotten it was for our galaxy and not the universe, my bad. Been a long ass time since I had to read up on that stuff.

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TopicU.S. government denies any knowledge of alien technology
Enclave
03/08/24 2:26:31 PM
#23
CheshireSimper posted...
You feel confident that no factor in the drake equation has any probability of being 0?

The drake equation is irrelevant, it's just about estimating the number of civilizations in the universe rather than if there are any others at all.

The size of the universe is so insanely huge that odds are there are other intelligent life somewhere out there. The universe of course being as vast as it is though? Odds are pretty decent that humanity will never find it.

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TopicCan someone explain to me the "sweet baby" controversy?
Enclave
03/08/24 2:23:19 PM
#221
Nemu posted...
Who are they even talking about? The bad one is probably Popo, but I wouldnt call Commander Black a good character. The only other one I can think of is that unnamed teacher people were jokingly shipping with Picolo.

There's a few characters that have pretty stereotypical racist depictions of black features.

That said, I know some black guys who just dismiss such depictions as being a product of the time, Mr. Popo after all was first published in the 80's.

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TopicU.S. government denies any knowledge of alien technology
Enclave
03/08/24 2:18:06 PM
#18
UnholyMudcrab posted...
That's because there is no alien technology.

I mean, there almost certainly is alien technology. Now the question is if there's any on Earth and the answer to that is almost certainly no.

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TopicTo circumcise or not?
Enclave
03/08/24 1:10:26 PM
#49
I like how they point out that complications are extremely unlikely while acting like the medical benefits are worth actually paying attention to when the odds of future complications from having foreskin are lower than the rate of complications from having the unnecessary cosmetic surgery done on an infant who cannot consent to body modifications surgery.

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TopicC/D: Force Awakens is a nostalgia pandering mess
Enclave
03/08/24 12:57:17 PM
#51
Toonstrack posted...
Lmao no.

Theres two entire scripts for TROS. TLJ left the next guy with the bad guys and the good guys unified and clesrly defined.

To say there's nothing to work with just means you aren't capable of writing a story. It had everything to work with and thats why there's too scripts.

They just got a lesser director than RJ to do it.

TLJ is the best of the sequels easily.

Yeah, you sound about as ridiculous as the typical Last Jedi fan.

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TopicSo why is Dragon Quest so popular in Japan?
Enclave
03/08/24 11:59:34 AM
#2
Because it's awesome.

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TopicDie one year sooner every time you take $125,000
Enclave
03/08/24 4:50:30 AM
#48
inTaCtfuL posted...
I know you mean well here but I'm positive they rather live their lives with you still here with the money y'all currently have than the scenario where you're gone forever but they have 25 million dollars.

I'm sure they would but it's not often you'd have the chance to create generational wealth, the sacrifice is worth it. People have worked themselves to an early grave for FAR less.

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TopicDie one year sooner every time you take $125,000
Enclave
03/08/24 4:12:21 AM
#42
I'll take 200 years or more if I can. Don't particularly want to die but that would handily ensure my wife and kid have are absolutely set up for life.

If I cannot take such an amount then I take nothing.

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TopicC/D: Force Awakens is a nostalgia pandering mess
Enclave
03/08/24 4:02:14 AM
#34
Dark_Arbron posted...
RoS deserves more sympathy in that regard. It had to try and pick up the pieces, whereas what TLJ tried was a terrible idea to begin with.

There's a lot of truth to this. RoS was bad but it didn't have anything to work with, TLJ made sure of that. It basically was doomed to be garbage.

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TopicC/D: Force Awakens is a nostalgia pandering mess
Enclave
03/08/24 4:00:05 AM
#31
Dark_Arbron posted...
Would have been nice if before producing the first one they had a single director locked in to do all three. Then it might not have become a train wreck.

Obviously, but that's not the world we live in.

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TopicC/D: Force Awakens is a nostalgia pandering mess
Enclave
03/08/24 3:48:26 AM
#27
Force Awakens did a lot of set up that was burned to the ground in Last Jedi. If Rian Johnson had decided to not "subvert expectations" and actually use what was left for him to build up the trilogy then Force Awakens might have been great in the grand scheme of things. Instead all the set up in the movie was ruined and all that was left was a mostly meh movie that pathetically enough still managed to be the best movie in the trilogy.

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TopicDo people actually put internet forum moderator on their resume?
Enclave
03/08/24 3:44:11 AM
#6
It's highly relevant information for an employer depending on the sort of job you're applying for.

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TopicElectric vehicles are worse for the environment than gas vehicles study shows
Enclave
03/07/24 11:48:12 PM
#10
Emissions Analytics is a for profit company, that's already suspect.

Is their study peer reviewed? Where do they get their funding? What's the methodology of the study?

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TopicIndian Citizens Forced to Fight for Russia in Ukraine
Enclave
03/07/24 7:26:44 PM
#10
LeoRavus posted...
Why the fuck would they go to Russia to celebrate New Years. Could have hit China and had a real NY celebration without getting drafted.

Probably because it's cheaper to visit Russia right now? It's of course cheaper for a reason but people often don't consider that.

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TopicBiden to announce us military mission to build pier off Gaza coast...
Enclave
03/07/24 7:20:49 PM
#45
1337toothbrush posted...
I'm sure we'll all look back fondly on the small victories when Palestine is completely wiped off the map. Sorry if I don't seem enthusiastic about these "wins".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1LgtQPSVM

You should check that out. It's not completely relevant but still somewhat relevant.

Phrasing matters, coming out with a pure doomer stance on things like this helps nobody and can actively hurt. It's one thing when the Biden admin is doing absolutely nothing, then yeah it's important to call that shit out like I myself was even as the Liberal posters whined and cried that we were somehow hurting Biden by trying to influence him in the fucking Primary. However when he actually is doing some good? Yeah, keep pushing him to do more and bigger steps but holy shit take the wins we get. If Biden reaches out to try to win us we need to accept the reach out instead of slap him away. He needs to think your vote is able to be gotten else he'll stop trying.

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TopicPOLL: Do you currently have health insurance?
Enclave
03/07/24 6:58:32 PM
#3
I live in Canada

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TopicBiden to announce us military mission to build pier off Gaza coast...
Enclave
03/07/24 6:58:04 PM
#38
Smashingpmkns posted...
Would be a better idea to cease all weapons sales to Israel immediately

Yes, it would, but don't shit on smaller victories. Take what wins you get.

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TopicBiden to announce us military mission to build pier off Gaza coast...
Enclave
03/07/24 6:55:41 PM
#36
2Pacavelli posted...
No that's a military base to continue to occupy Gaza. But in a less savage and bad PR open genocide way that Israel is handling it

That's a bit of a stretch, on the surface this looks good and time will tell if it actually isn't.

The way it's sounding to me? Biden was indeed pressured by the Undecided votes in the primary and is trying to shift course a bit to try to win back some support which yeah, literally the whole point of doing that so good on the people who voted Undecided.

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TopicIndian Citizens Forced to Fight for Russia in Ukraine
Enclave
03/07/24 6:54:03 PM
#8
thronedfire2 posted...
that guy probably got sent to the front lines too

As I understand it he hasn't YET. I'm absolutely certain he will, the bank has already stolen his families money :P

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