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Hornezz
03/09/24 8:40:13 AM
#301:


Scardude posted...
Humans have a history of doing weird things
Which is by no means a valid argument to continue to do weird things.

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Tanthalas
03/09/24 8:40:42 AM
#302:


Scardude posted...
Anyone calling it mutilation doesn't understand the condition.
The only arguments against considering it mutilation are religious/cultural ones. You're literally lopping off a part of your skin.

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ScazarMeltex
03/09/24 9:01:56 AM
#303:


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This. As someone who is circumcised and relatively happy with the results I still believe I should have been allowed the option.

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Karovorak
03/09/24 9:07:43 AM
#304:


Tanthalas posted...
The only arguments against considering it mutilation are religious/cultural ones. You're literally lopping off a part of your skin.

Yes, sure.

Go on, insult me and call my penis literally mutilated, just because I had to get a surgery on it.

People like you are the reason why I didn't visit a doctor for years, because I was afraid that of the procedure and result.

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Scardude
03/09/24 9:51:17 AM
#306:


Hornezz posted...
Which is by no means a valid argument to continue to do weird things.
It's called respecting other's people culture and tradition. Respecting when its a medical practice and procedure when used correctly.
Tanthalas posted...
The only arguments against considering it mutilation are religious/cultural ones. You're literally lopping off a part of your skin.
Again, if it is medically needed. That's what you do. The argument is that you do it by birth? That you don't need.

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Gwynevere
03/09/24 9:53:08 AM
#307:


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CSCA33
03/09/24 10:05:16 AM
#308:


Scardude posted...
It's called respecting other's people culture and tradition. Respecting when its a medical practice and procedure when used correctly.

Again, if it is medically needed. That's what you do. The argument is that you do it by birth? That you don't need.
Just because something is a part of culture and tradition, or religion, does not automatically mean it is deserving of respect.

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Enclave
03/09/24 10:21:01 AM
#309:


Zonbei posted...
Cool pretending to be a psychologist you did there. Im not defensive about it at all; I legitimately am glad it was done and feel better off, personally. You can believe whatever you want, but its a story youre telling yourself.

Ive said multiple times I dont know much about the experience of having a foreskin, because I dont have one, and can only speak on what others have told me.

The only thing Ive said that may be objectively wrong that I didnt get from uncircumcised friend and women who have been with uncircumcised men was that the glans shouldnt be eternally moist; I was talking more about dampness, water, sweat, etc, but I was surprised to find uncircumcised penises actually secrete what is essentially mucus, which I presume is what the other guy meant. (Although that is less a function of the foreskin and more the glans, the foreskin does keep the mucus membrane from keratinizing, so in a roundabout way it keeps it moist, in terms of gross dick mucus.)

the incidence of HIV and STDS isnt wildly different between these two counties so clearly circumcising has no impact has been addressed MULTIPLE times already. That isnt how that works. You cant possibly draw that conclusion, many factors affect those rates. Europe has public health care, but by your logic, that has zero effect on std spread, despite the fact thats obviously not true.

Also, nobody has ever said it was a huge impact. Its a minor benefit.

Not pretending to be a psychologist, look at your freakin' replies, you are absolutely ignorant on this issue.

Also I don't really care if you've "addressed" anything since your addressing it is all nonsense. You're making wild reaches to try to excuse performing unnecessary and non-consensual cosmetic surgery on babies and likely because it was done to you so that's why you're taking that side. It's nonsensical.

I mean seriously, it's apples to fucking apples, especially when you're comparing Europe to North America (which includes Canada by the way which DOES have public healthcare). Having access to free healthcare is not going to make it less likely for penis cancer to show up nor make you less likely to catch an STI, it'll help with treatment of those issues but it won't stop them from actually happening.

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FunWithAFryPan
03/09/24 10:31:51 AM
#310:


Zonbei posted...
No, Im comparing an elective surgery to an elective surgery. If youre against one because of consent and not being necessary youre against all of them. The HPV vaccine isnt a necessity for children. ( it you should get it.) Cleft lip and other surgeries arent medically necessary for all children.

Im not the one making blanket statements to justify my opposition to something here. Im just point out its silly to make those blanket statements, which you clearly
agree with given you understand these things arent the same.
Not all elective surgeries carry the same risk. Making comparisons like this is moronic.

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Tanthalas
03/09/24 11:52:01 AM
#311:


Karovorak posted...
Yes, sure.

Go on, insult me and call my penis literally mutilated, just because I had to get a surgery on it.

People like you are the reason why I didn't visit a doctor for years, because I was afraid that of the procedure and result.
Oh grow up.

A friend of mine lost 2 fingers playing with fireworks and another lost a testicle from getting hit with a knee in a game. Theyre technically mutilated too.

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Zonbei
03/09/24 4:29:47 PM
#312:


FunWithAFryPan posted...
Not all elective surgeries carry the same risk. Making comparisons like this is moronic.

That first part is true, although seems irrelevant given the risk for circumcision is pretty negligible.

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Zonbei
03/09/24 4:31:23 PM
#313:


Enclave posted...
Not pretending to be a psychologist, look at your freakin' replies, you are absolutely ignorant on this issue.

Also I don't really care if you've "addressed" anything since your addressing it is all nonsense. You're making wild reaches to try to excuse performing unnecessary and non-consensual cosmetic surgery on babies and likely because it was done to you so that's why you're taking that side. It's nonsensical.

I mean seriously, it's apples to fucking apples, especially when you're comparing Europe to North America (which includes Canada by the way which DOES have public healthcare). Having access to free healthcare is not going to make it less likely for penis cancer to show up nor make you less likely to catch an STI, it'll help with treatment of those issues but it won't stop them from actually happening.

Free healthcare is absolutely going to make it less likely for you to spread STIs. Please use your brain.

as for the rest of what you said, more assumptions about me personally and armchair psychology. Shush.

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Zonbei
03/09/24 4:32:30 PM
#314:


Hornezz posted...
I propose we cut off our infants noses shortly after birth.

Facts:
- It reduces the chance of a nose break by 100%
- Less snot accumulation in the middle of your face
- Safe significant times by not having to trim nose hair
- No future romantic partner is going to love boogers and nose hair

Rhinectomies are a win-win really.

What a super cool false equivalence.

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Enclave
03/09/24 5:18:52 PM
#315:


Zonbei posted...
Free healthcare is absolutely going to make it less likely for you to spread STIs. Please use your brain.

as for the rest of what you said, more assumptions about me personally and armchair psychology. Shush.

No, what's going to make you less likely to spread STIs are fucking condoms.

Why is it every single pro-circumcision person is like this? Does anybody know why?

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Daremo
03/09/24 5:30:05 PM
#316:


Nirvanas_Nox posted...
I'd say let your son make that decision for himself.


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Zonbei
03/09/24 5:47:41 PM
#317:


Enclave posted...
No, what's going to make you less likely to spread STIs are fucking condoms.

Why is it every single pro-circumcision person is like this? Does anybody know why?

Yes, that ALSO makes you less likely to spread STIs. Its almost like multiple things can make a thing less likely. why did you think this was some kind of rebuttal?

its also cute that you seem to think condoms prevent all STI spread.

Treatment prevents the spread of STIs, universal health care makes treatment more likely. This is not hard to grasp.

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CSCA33
03/09/24 6:01:37 PM
#318:


Zonbei posted...
Please use your brain.
Reminder this person is in favor of mutilating the genitals of newborns.

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Arcanine2009
03/09/24 6:05:43 PM
#319:


I don't know what I will do if I get a boy.

Cause it's mutilation. Boys can be taught to be hygienic/clean..But if it offers a clear hygienic advantage to cut, I might consider it. I dunno...

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FunWithAFryPan
03/09/24 6:06:25 PM
#320:


Arcanine2009 posted...
I don't know what I will do if I get a boy.

Cause it's mutilation. Boys can be taught to be hygienic/clean..But if it offers a clear hygienic advantage to cut, I might consider it. I dunno...
It doesnt. Zonbei is lying

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Lonestar2000
03/09/24 6:06:46 PM
#321:


It's bad enough you selfishly forced your son into exitance so now he has to experience pain, suffering and death and now you want to mutilate him without his consent. WTF is wrong with you?

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MabinogiFan
03/09/24 6:35:00 PM
#322:


Lonestar2000 posted...
It's bad enough you selfishly forced your son into exitance so now he has to experience pain, suffering and death

Everyone who's ever lived was "forced into existence."

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Arcanine2009
03/09/24 6:47:05 PM
#323:


Lonestar2000 posted...
It's bad enough you selfishly forced your son into exitance so now he has to experience pain, suffering and death and now you want to mutilate him without his consent. WTF is wrong with you?
I hear this way too many times by people who use this to justify not having kids, and it's getting annoying. Giving birth is not inherently selfish on it's own. Not giving your baby love and quality of life care, is selfish. There are clearly people out there that should had never gotten kids because they can't take care of them selves and are awful people. We can all agree on that.

Once you become a parent, your give up your life to focus on your well being on your kids. Your love to your kids is as unconditional as it gets. This how it should be, and thankfully it's getting better with our generation. Even though standard of living is higher, dads these days are way more involved in their kids lives, which is good.. I get that a lot of people grew up with shitty parents, but it doesn't have to this way with your kids (if you choose to have them). You can give your kids the life and love you didn't receive growing up.

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03/09/24 8:01:46 PM
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Sonixs
03/09/24 8:14:50 PM
#324:


It's not "mutilation" no matter how many times you use that word for shock value.
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ArsGoetia
03/09/24 8:21:28 PM
#325:


Sonixs posted...
It's not "mutilation" no matter how many times you use that word for shock value.

it literally is no matter how hard you try to downplay and euphemize it
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Sonixs
03/09/24 8:23:05 PM
#326:


ArsGoetia posted...
it literally is no matter how hard you try to downplay and euphemize it

Lol no it isn't. It's removing unnecessary skin. Literally no different than removing a skin tag.
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ArsGoetia
03/09/24 8:29:08 PM
#327:


Sonixs posted...
Lol no it isn't. It's removing unnecessary skin. Literally no different than removing a skin tag.

lol this is absolutely disingenuous bullshit and you know it
also shut the fuck up
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Sonixs
03/09/24 8:32:45 PM
#328:


ArsGoetia posted...
lol this is absolutely disingenuous bullshit and you know it
also shut the fuck up

Lol fuckin blow me. Disingenuous is saying removing it is the same as removing an ear which one of you doofuses used on a previous page.

It's literally necessary because guess what, it's gone for like 80% of American dudes and not a single thing is wrong.
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Rika_Furude
03/09/24 8:33:03 PM
#329:


Why not just follow the advice of the medical professionals? Ask them for their recommendation and then follow that
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ArsGoetia
03/09/24 8:37:05 PM
#330:


Sonixs posted...
Lol fuckin blow me. Disingenuous is saying removing it is the same as removing an ear which one of you doofuses used on a previous page.

It's literally necessary because guess what, it's gone for like 80% of American dudes and not a single thing is wrong.

1. the current rate is roughly 55%
2. i didnt say shit about ears, i posted the story about my stepson who had to have his circumcision revised when he hit puberty because they fucked it up the first time and any time he got an erection, the skin was pulled too tightly and caused him excruciating pain
3. it's unnecessary and removes bodily autonomy from another person
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ryudo500
03/09/24 8:38:44 PM
#331:


the thing is throughout history males have been uncut like 1000x longer than cut no?

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ai123
03/09/24 8:39:59 PM
#332:


Rika_Furude posted...
Why not just follow the advice of the medical professionals? Ask them for their recommendation and then follow that
Because the hospital gets $1-4k every time someone follows their advice. And they are also biased by cultural and traditional factors.

If elective circumcision did not exist, and doctors suddenly started pushing it for its questionable health benefits and cosmetic appeal, you would all be denouncing it as an outrageous money-grabbing scam.

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Gwynevere
03/09/24 8:47:19 PM
#333:


Sonixs posted...
It's not "mutilation" no matter how many times you use that word for shock value.
Nah, you just don't want people to call it that because it makes it harder to defend when it's described accurately. It's cosmetic genital mutilation done with little more reason than "my parents did it to me"

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Sonixs
03/09/24 8:52:07 PM
#334:


Gwynevere posted...
Nah, you just don't want people to call it that because it makes it harder to defend when it's described accurately. It's cosmetic genital mutilation done with little more reason than "my parents did it to me"

Cutting your hair is hair mutilation! Cutting your nails is nail mutilation! Removing a skin tag is skin tag mutilation!

See how stupid it sounds lol
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Samurai_Man
03/09/24 8:52:11 PM
#335:


Unpopular opinion, but in the US at least, go ahead and get it done while he's an infant, it does no harm and unfortunately 9/10 women will be super weirded out by it otherwise if he's uncut. Also it's more hygenic. It's been a thing since the 70s/80s now. And will hurt 100x less than if he wants it done as an adult. Just my 2 cents.

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ArsGoetia
03/09/24 8:54:43 PM
#336:


Sonixs posted...
Cutting your hair is hair mutilation! Cutting your nails is nail mutilation! Removing a skin tag is skin tag mutilation!

See how stupid it sounds lol

yeah because foreskin grows back mirite
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Zikten
03/09/24 8:56:39 PM
#337:


Samurai_Man posted...
Unpopular opinion, but in the US at least, go ahead and get it done while he's an infant, it does no harm and unfortunately 9/10 women will be super weirded out by it otherwise if he's uncut. Also it's more hygenic. It's been a thing since the 70s/80s now. And will hurt 100x less than if he wants it done as an adult. Just my 2 cents.
Its unneeded. You are wrong. Your rational for saying it should be done is based on illogical thinking. And if someone said to cut off a part of a girl's body to satisfy her future lover, people would go insane. But when its a male.....

I was born and spared the knife in 1981 by a doctor way ahead of his time, who told my parents not to do it.

My life has not been impacted by not being circumcised. And millions of Europeans live just fine lives too. If the benefits so magically amazing, Europeans would do it. But they don't
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CSCA33
03/09/24 8:59:23 PM
#338:


Sonixs posted...
Cutting your hair is hair mutilation! Cutting your nails is nail mutilation! Removing a skin tag is skin tag mutilation!

See how stupid it sounds lol
Super weird melty over some bizarre and fervent support for genital mutilation of newborn babies.

News flash, not everyone is cool with cutting up a babys penis because you think it looks better that way

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Sonixs
03/09/24 9:00:43 PM
#339:


ArsGoetia posted...
yeah because foreskin grows back mirite

Thankfully it doesn't grow back. But also skin tags don't grow back.
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Sonixs
03/09/24 9:01:54 PM
#340:


Jim Jeffries said it best. Notice how there isn't a section on pornhub for uncircumcised dicks yet there is for 400 other things. Because uncircumcised dicks are gross and nobody wants to look at that shit.
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Trumble
03/09/24 9:02:51 PM
#341:


Sonixs posted...
Jim Jeffries said it best. Notice how there isn't a section on pornhub for uncircumcised dicks yet there is for 400 other things. Because uncircumcised dicks are gross and nobody wants to look at that shit.
I don't think Pornhub has all that many dick-related categories in general... One for size, but that's about it.

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Zonbei
03/09/24 9:04:22 PM
#342:


FunWithAFryPan posted...
It doesnt. Zonbei is lying

Tell me you havent read what I said without telling me you havent read what I said.

I said that based on what other people have told me, its saving me some time cleaning. Others claimed this is not the case. I said well I wouldnt know, so I can only go off what Ive been told.

then you go zonbei is lying because youre disingenuous. The only claims Ive made as fact are about STI and cancer prevention, and those claims are true.

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Sonixs
03/09/24 9:04:39 PM
#343:


You all are only using the term mutilation because you want to make it sound worse than it is.

Its not mutilating when the only outcome is you don't have a weird looking dick anymore.
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Zonbei
03/09/24 9:05:43 PM
#344:


Gwynevere posted...
Nah, you just don't want people to call it that because it makes it harder to defend when it's described accurately. It's cosmetic genital mutilation done with little more reason than "my parents did it to me"

No, I dont want people to call it that because I think people shouldnt sensationalize and exaggerate to make their point. (To be clear, I am responding as if you addressed everyone. I am not that other user.) My dick isnt mutilated, sorry. You can say it all you want, but its really not.

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CSCA33
03/09/24 9:07:10 PM
#345:


Sonixs posted...
You all are only using the term mutilation because you want to make it sound worse than it is.

Its not mutilating when the only outcome is you don't have a weird looking dick anymore.
Make what sound worse, cutting off a part of a babys penis with a scalpel because you think it looks better? How do you make that sound good?

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Sonixs
03/09/24 9:07:56 PM
#346:


It really comes down to two choices.

Do you want your dick to be weird looking and fully functional or not weird looking and fully functional.
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Zonbei
03/09/24 9:08:04 PM
#347:


ryudo500 posted...
the thing is throughout history males have been uncut like 1000x longer than cut no?

Probably, but Im not clear why you think that means anything. Weve had cancer treatments for much less time than we didnt. Obviously cancer treatments are far, far, far more beneficial (and have worse downsides!), but the point here is that how long something was done is meaningless.

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Zonbei
03/09/24 9:08:59 PM
#348:


Sonixs posted...
It really comes down to two choices.

Do you want your dick to be weird looking and fully functional or not weird looking and fully functional.

Bud Im not on board for all this shaming of uncut dicks. While yes, some women do tend to like circumcised better, and Ive had a lot of compliments personally, theres no reason to perpetuate this idea that uncut is weird looking. Its not, its just another option. Stop it.

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Zonbei
03/09/24 9:10:00 PM
#349:


Rika_Furude posted...
Why not just follow the advice of the medical professionals? Ask them for their recommendation and then follow that

Their recommendation is nearly always its your personal choice, its nonessential and there are pros and cons, but unfortunately people in this topic and elsewhere have decided scientists and doctors are wrong because of reasons.

sometimes their recommendation is to do it to fix certain issues, but thats apparently also mutilation or something.

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