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OudeGeuze 08/24/23 9:26:38 AM #1:	Enjoy your ragebait https://www.themarysue.com/this-baldurs-gate-3-plot-is-unable-to-shake-harmful-fantasy-tropes/ --- O))) <cite>OudeGeuze posted [p:975632440] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Enjoy your ragebaithttps://www.themarysue.com/this-baldurs-gate-3-plot-is-unable-to-shake-harmful-fantasy-tropes/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 08/24/23 9:28:39 AM #2:	Fantasy as a genre can't escape the logic of subjugation, I don't understand Oh, this topic. You can substitute any appearance in a person, into a fantasy race or culture. This person has no imagination because if I were to say all goblins are Brazilians then "there is a reason soccer doesn't exist in DnD" makes sense as a conspiracy too, because goblins are clearly not human. /rolls eyes --- updated 5/22/2023 https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:975632467] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Fantasy as a genre can't escape the logic of subjugation, I don't understandOh, this topic. You can substitute any appearance in a person, into a fantasy race or culture. This person has no imagination because if I were to say all goblins are Brazilians then "there is a reason soccer doesn't exist in DnD" makes sense as a conspiracy too, because goblins are clearly not human. /rolls eyes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WrkHrdPlayHrdr 08/24/23 9:35:24 AM #3:	I'll save you a click... She basically says Auntie Ethel = Every bad Jewish conspiracy theory out there --- "No. I'm a man so theyll get me a full size McDouble." - DuncanWii https://i.imgur.com/cSxy3Od.png <cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted [p:975632556] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>I'll save you a click...She basically says Auntie Ethel = Every bad Jewish conspiracy theory out there </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Plumeofdusk 08/24/23 9:36:05 AM #4:	I think it's a bit silly to reduce all depictions of "blood libel" to antisemitism and use that as a justification for not including the trope for anything. :v People use it because it's spooky, not to reinforce some stereotype against Jewish people. <cite>Plumeofdusk posted [p:975632572] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>I think it's a bit silly to reduce all depictions of "blood libel" to antisemitism and use that as a justification for not including the trope for anything. :v People use it because it's spooky, not to reinforce some stereotype against Jewish people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
random_man9119 08/24/23 9:53:49 AM #5:	I never saw Hags in D&D as some stand-in for a Jewish stereotype like the author seems too... Seems like a weird jump to make... --- NNID:MrOddities\|PSN:OddGamer2013 Playing:\|Pokemon Scarlet/Violet\|LoZ: Tears of the Kingdom\|Monster Hunter Rise\|Pokemon Let's Go Eevee\|LoZ: Twilight Princess <cite>random_man9119 posted [p:975632836] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>I never saw Hags in D&D as some stand-in for a Jewish stereotype like the author seems too... Seems like a weird jump to make... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Big_Nabendu 08/24/23 9:56:26 AM #6:	If you're comparing the monster to a Jewish person, sounds like you're the antisemit --- The embrace of the Dark is gentle. Let it absorb your sorrows, forever. \[T]/ Owner of the 500 board and Leader of sunbro board GT Nabendu <cite>Big_Nabendu posted [p:975632873] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>If you're comparing the monster to a Jewish person, sounds like you're the antisemit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 08/24/23 10:01:50 AM #7:	A lot of the modern fantasy genre tropes and lore are many times removed and recycled out of old European folklore when not directly ripping off Tolkien or Lovecraft - putting aside that Lovecraft apparently was quite racist... Some of these old bits of lore and legend has racism, misogyny, bigotry associated with them at some point. I don't think a lot of the times people drawing on these old influences even knew about these associations, and the modern incarnations are so removed in style and intent it doesn't really matter. --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975632956] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>A lot of the modern fantasy genre tropes and lore are many times removed and recycled out of old European folklore when not directly ripping off Tolkien or Lovecraft - putting aside that Lovecraft apparently was quite racist... Some of these old bits of lore and legend has racism, misogyny, bigotry associated with them at some point. I don't think a lot of the times people drawing on these old influences even knew about these associations, and the modern incarnations are so removed in style and intent it doesn't really matter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WrkHrdPlayHrdr 08/24/23 10:02:07 AM #8:	Big_Nabendu posted... If you're comparing the monster to a Jewish person, sounds like you're the antisemit That couldn't possibly be true! She even says it's not true in the article! Like when Japanese media is criticized for problematic content, I anticipate some will think that Im just projecting American ideas on another country, as BG3 developers Larian Studios are based in Belgiumor, that Im somehow the antisemitic one for simply pointing out how this draws upon a millennium of anti-Jewish stereotypes. As previously outlined, these tropes are older than the discovery of the Americas. --- "No. I'm a man so theyll get me a full size McDouble." - DuncanWii https://i.imgur.com/cSxy3Od.png <cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted [p:975632959] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Big_Nabendu posted... </cite><quote>If you're comparing the monster to a Jewish person, sounds like you're the antisemit</quote>That couldn't possibly be true! She even says it's not true in the article!<quote>Like when Japanese media is criticized for problematic content, I anticipate some will think that Im just projecting American ideas on another country, as BG3 developers Larian Studios are based in Belgiumor, that Im somehow the antisemitic one for simply pointing out how this draws upon a millennium of anti-Jewish stereotypes. As previously outlined, these tropes are older than the discovery of the Americas.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 08/24/23 10:02:50 AM #9:	Mary Sue is full of lame, rabid whiners and people are better off ignoring them. --- I'm just a girl who loves games <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:975632970] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Mary Sue is full of lame, rabid whiners and people are better off ignoring them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 08/24/23 10:03:36 AM #10:	Everything has a negative association if you even try a little to make one.... --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:975632982] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Everything has a negative association if you even try a little to make one.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crimsoness 08/24/23 10:04:13 AM #11:	She's meant to be a witch from stories like Hansel & Gretel how they stretched that into Jewish stereotype is beyond me --- She/her Dynamite with a laser beam <cite>Crimsoness posted [p:975632990] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>She's meant to be a witch from stories like Hansel & Gretel how they stretched that into Jewish stereotype is beyond me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 08/24/23 10:05:56 AM #12:	She sounds confused. Japan does not get a pass for being racist. What a mess of an article. Seems like she means well and I read with an open mind but yeeesh --- --- <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:975633021] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>She sounds confused. Japan does not get a pass for being racist. What a mess of an article. Seems like she means well and I read with an open mind but yeeesh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArtiRock 08/24/23 10:06:57 AM #13:	No? I just thought of her as an old lady that took the "more than meets the eye" trope. --- This is the duty of the Grim Angels. <cite>ArtiRock posted [p:975633042] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>No? I just thought of her as an old lady that took the "more than meets the eye" trope. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArtiRock 08/24/23 10:07:49 AM #14:	Robot2600 posted... She sounds confused. Japan does not get a pass for being racist. What a mess of an article. Seems like she means well and I read with an open mind but yeeesh I don't think she means well. I think it's another bait article to get people to read and draw attention to the site becomes bg3 is hot right now. --- This is the duty of the Grim Angels. <cite>ArtiRock posted [p:975633058] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Robot2600 posted... </cite><quote>She sounds confused. Japan does not get a pass for being racist. What a mess of an article. Seems like she means well and I read with an open mind but yeeesh</quote>I don't think she means well. I think it's another bait article to get people to read and draw attention to the site becomes bg3 is hot right now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 08/24/23 10:08:34 AM #15:	ArtiRock posted... I don't think she means well. I think it's another bait article to get people to read and draw attention to the site becomes bg3 is hot right now. Yea that's fair I was trying out being nice. --- --- <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:975633072] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>ArtiRock posted... </cite><quote>I don't think she means well. I think it's another bait article to get people to read and draw attention to the site becomes bg3 is hot right now.</quote> Yea that's fair I was trying out being nice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OudeGeuze 08/24/23 10:19:06 AM #16:	Bump --- O))) <cite>OudeGeuze posted [p:975633253] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uta 08/24/23 10:21:24 AM #17:	Robot2600 posted... She sounds confused. Japan does not get a pass for being racist. What a mess of an article. Seems like she means well and I read with an open mind but yeeesh Nah there is with some regularity a group of people who will defend racist depictions in Japanese media as "forcing western politics onto poor, apolitically pure Japan". Trying to link a Hag to antisemitism seems weird. The traditional Hag seems rooted in Irish folklore, and the fantasy version leans on concepts from Mara and Baba Yaga as well. The point of the Hag is to be a creepy old witch; which invokes symbols of paganism in general. Not a stand in for Jewish people. And in a lot cases Hag were very specifically satanist monsters, Christians fearing old women performing dark magic in the woods. If the author wanted to call something out for antisemitism, she could have made a stronger argument attacking the Goblins. Goblins actually are historically linked to Jewish people, though I guess BG3 wasn't as nakedly obvious as Harry Potter was and maybe they're afraid people won't click the article if they talk about Goblins again. --- Others don't get to dictate what's normal and what isn't. It's something we decide for ourselves. <cite>Uta posted [p:975633299] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Robot2600 posted... </cite><quote>She sounds confused. Japan does not get a pass for being racist. What a mess of an article. Seems like she means well and I read with an open mind but yeeesh</quote>Nah there is with some regularity a group of people who will defend racist depictions in Japanese media as "forcing western politics onto poor, apolitically pure Japan". Trying to link a Hag to antisemitism seems weird. The traditional Hag seems rooted in Irish folklore, and the fantasy version leans on concepts from Mara and Baba Yaga as well. The point of the Hag is to be a creepy old witch; which invokes symbols of paganism in general. Not a stand in for Jewish people. And in a lot cases Hag were very specifically satanist monsters, Christians fearing old women performing dark magic in the woods. If the author wanted to call something out for antisemitism, she could have made a stronger argument attacking the Goblins. Goblins actually are historically linked to Jewish people, though I guess BG3 wasn't as nakedly obvious as Harry Potter was and maybe they're afraid people won't click the article if they talk about Goblins again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 08/24/23 10:27:31 AM #18:	Crimsoness posted... She's meant to be a witch from stories like Hansel & Gretel how they stretched that into Jewish stereotype is beyond me I think the problem is how these archetypal monsters, witches and demons of lore have been coopted throughout the ages by people looking to diminish ethnicities and race. When you have people continually comparing Jews to goblins and witches throughout the centuries the over time the monster's features and negative Jewish stereotypes start to look increasingly similar. And when you portray those monsters, even with the best of intentions, you are going to run awfully close to the line of making negative Jewish caricature. This isn't to say that people should stop using goblins, hags, orcs, etc. but it'd probably be in everyone's interest to step back and look at the greater context before accusing something being problematic or of someone trying to "be offended by everything". --- 1 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:975633414] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Crimsoness posted... </cite><quote>She's meant to be a witch from stories like Hansel & Gretel how they stretched that into Jewish stereotype is beyond me</quote>I think the problem is how these archetypal monsters, witches and demons of lore have been coopted throughout the ages by people looking to diminish ethnicities and race. When you have people continually comparing Jews to goblins and witches throughout the centuries the over time the monster's features and negative Jewish stereotypes start to look increasingly similar. And when you portray those monsters, even with the best of intentions, you are going to run awfully close to the line of making negative Jewish caricature.This isn't to say that people should stop using goblins, hags, orcs, etc. but it'd probably be in everyone's interest to step back and look at the greater context before accusing something being problematic or of someone trying to "be offended by everything". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 08/24/23 11:57:15 AM #19:	TC do you even play dnd? --- updated 5/22/2023 https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:975634925] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>TC do you even play dnd? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OudeGeuze 08/24/23 11:59:36 AM #20:	MedeaLysistrata posted... TC do you even play dnd? Yes, in the midst of a Strahd campaign rn --- O))) <cite>OudeGeuze posted [p:975634969] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>MedeaLysistrata posted... </cite><quote>TC do you even play dnd?</quote>Yes, in the midst of a Strahd campaign rn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 08/24/23 12:00:23 PM #21:	OudeGeuze posted... Yes, in the midst of a Strahd campaign rn what class are you? --- updated 5/22/2023 https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1568-100-presidents <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:975634986] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>OudeGeuze posted... </cite><quote>Yes, in the midst of a Strahd campaign rn</quote>what class are you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarcoRubio 08/24/23 12:01:11 PM #22:	OudeGeuze posted... Bump Well fucking don't --- She/Her <cite>MarcoRubio posted [p:975635009] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>OudeGeuze posted... </cite><quote>Bump</quote>Well fucking don't </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CARRRNE_ASADA 08/24/23 12:13:20 PM #23:	I bet this person was scrutinizing every lil detail of the game so they could click bait people into such fucking nonsense. --- SEXY SEXY! <cite>CARRRNE_ASADA posted [p:975635236] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>I bet this person was scrutinizing every lil detail of the game so they could click bait people into such fucking nonsense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ragnarokius 08/24/23 12:19:12 PM #24:	Big_Nabendu posted... If you're comparing the monster to a Jewish person, sounds like you're the antisemit Thank you. --- https://tinyurl.com/hhcb7k5d https://tinyurl.com/yre5pjxe <cite>ragnarokius posted [p:975635370] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Big_Nabendu posted... </cite><quote>If you're comparing the monster to a Jewish person, sounds like you're the antisemit</quote>Thank you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Plumeofdusk 08/24/23 12:20:33 PM #25:	I just bet kotaku is fuming over marysue beating them to the punch on this. I'm sure they'll find something to complain about too <cite>Plumeofdusk posted [p:975635401] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>I just bet kotaku is fuming over marysue beating them to the punch on this. I'm sure they'll find something to complain about too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/24/23 12:24:58 PM #26:	I think I'm gonna need a bit more than: Thing is bad Racists say group does bad thing Fantasy person does bad thing Fantasy person is representative of their entire fantasy group, all of fantasy group does the same bad thing, fantasy group is therefore obvious parallel to real group, author of fantasy group obviously is part of racists from #2 --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:975635510] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>I think I'm gonna need a bit more than: Thing is bad Racists say group does bad thing Fantasy person does bad thing Fantasy person is representative of their entire fantasy group, all of fantasy group does the same bad thing, fantasy group is therefore obvious parallel to real group, author of fantasy group obviously is part of racists from #2 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 08/24/23 12:25:24 PM #27:	This is obvious bait. It's not worth sharing or talking about. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:975635520] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>This is obvious bait. It's not worth sharing or talking about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/24/23 12:27:18 PM #28:	Uta posted... Nah there is with some regularity a group of people who will defend racist depictions in Japanese media as "forcing western politics onto poor, apolitically pure Japan". Trying to link a Hag to antisemitism seems weird. The traditional Hag seems rooted in Irish folklore, and the fantasy version leans on concepts from Mara and Baba Yaga as well. The point of the Hag is to be a creepy old witch; which invokes symbols of paganism in general. Not a stand in for Jewish people. And in a lot cases Hag were very specifically satanist monsters, Christians fearing old women performing dark magic in the woods. If the author wanted to call something out for antisemitism, she could have made a stronger argument attacking the Goblins. Goblins actually are historically linked to Jewish people, though I guess BG3 wasn't as nakedly obvious as Harry Potter was and maybe they're afraid people won't click the article if they talk about Goblins again. Lol. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms, Switch: SW-1900-5502-7912 <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:975635562] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Uta posted...</cite><quote>Nah there is with some regularity a group of people who will defend racist depictions in Japanese media as "forcing western politics onto poor, apolitically pure Japan". Trying to link a Hag to antisemitism seems weird. The traditional Hag seems rooted in Irish folklore, and the fantasy version leans on concepts from Mara and Baba Yaga as well. The point of the Hag is to be a creepy old witch; which invokes symbols of paganism in general. Not a stand in for Jewish people. And in a lot cases Hag were very specifically satanist monsters, Christians fearing old women performing dark magic in the woods. If the author wanted to call something out for antisemitism, she could have made a stronger argument attacking the Goblins. Goblins actually are historically linked to Jewish people, though I guess BG3 wasn't as nakedly obvious as Harry Potter was and maybe they're afraid people won't click the article if they talk about Goblins again.</quote>Lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivynn 08/24/23 12:28:33 PM #29:	Seems a stretch. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif <cite>Ivynn posted [p:975635590] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Seems a stretch. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 08/24/23 12:45:13 PM #30:	Considering I didn't make any immediate Jewish connections when I played this quest I can't help but doubt that your average consumer is going to either (Unless they make a big nose joke I guess). When I think of Jews I don't think of "Witch in a swamp eating babies". --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:975635911] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Considering I didn't make any immediate Jewish connections when I played this quest I can't help but doubt that your average consumer is going to either (Unless they make a big nose joke I guess). When I think of Jews I don't think of "Witch in a swamp eating babies". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I4NRulez 08/24/23 12:49:04 PM #31:	I mean, i know this topic is full of outrage at the article but lets not pretend that the fantasy genre, especially DnD, wasnt full of racist tropes and stereotypes until recently. I dont agree with the article because i think big nose and warts is just Witch stereotypes but its not super farfetched --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. <cite>I4NRulez posted [p:975635993] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>I mean, i know this topic is full of outrage at the article but lets not pretend that the fantasy genre, especially DnD, wasnt full of racist tropes and stereotypes until recently.I dont agree with the article because i think big nose and warts is just Witch stereotypes but its not super farfetched </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown5uspect 08/24/23 12:50:48 PM #32:	I4NRulez posted... I mean, i know this topic is full of outrage at the article but lets not pretend that the fantasy genre, especially DnD, wasnt full of racist tropes and stereotypes until recently. I dont agree with the article because i think big nose and warts is just Witch stereotypes but its not super farfetched It's definitely a stretch tho. --- How can the moon landing be real if the moon isn't real? <cite>Unknown5uspect posted [p:975636022] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>I4NRulez posted... </cite><quote>I mean, i know this topic is full of outrage at the article but lets not pretend that the fantasy genre, especially DnD, wasnt full of racist tropes and stereotypes until recently.I dont agree with the article because i think big nose and warts is just Witch stereotypes but its not super farfetched</quote>It's definitely a stretch tho. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 08/24/23 12:51:25 PM #33:	Paid by EA or Activision to attack BG3 probably <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:975636037] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Paid by EA or Activision to attack BG3 probably</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I4NRulez 08/24/23 1:04:48 PM #34:	Unknown5uspect posted... It's definitely a stretch tho. Is it? I mean i can load up skyrim and create a redguard with great abilities such as Adrenaline rush, Resist Poison, and Fleet of Foot. Stereotypes and Fantasy RPGs went hand in hand for a long time --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. <cite>I4NRulez posted [p:975636274] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Unknown5uspect posted... </cite><quote>It's definitely a stretch tho.</quote>Is it? I mean i can load up skyrim and create a redguard with great abilities such as Adrenaline rush, Resist Poison, and Fleet of Foot.Stereotypes and Fantasy RPGs went hand in hand for a long time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 08/24/23 1:09:37 PM #35:	personally i say its time to stop having witches be default evil in fiction do to the long history of witch burnings of innocent woman who often times where just gay or believed in a different religion im not saying dont have evil witches im just saying dont auto default to witch = evil --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:975636371] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>personally i say its time to stop having witches be default evil in fictiondo to the long history of witch burnings of innocent woman who often times where just gay or believed in a different religion im not saying dont have evil witches im just saying dont auto default to witch = evil </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Compsognathus 08/24/23 1:10:57 PM #36:	AceMos posted... personally i say its time to stop having witches be default evil in fiction do to the long history of witch burnings of innocent woman who often times where just gay or believed in a different religion im not saying dont have evil witches im just saying dont auto default to witch = evil I mean they definitely aren't default evil in DnD or BG. --- 1 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>Compsognathus posted [p:975636398] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>personally i say its time to stop having witches be default evil in fictiondo to the long history of witch burnings of innocent woman who often times where just gay or believed in a different religion im not saying dont have evil witches im just saying dont auto default to witch = evil</quote>I mean they definitely aren't default evil in DnD or BG. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 08/24/23 1:11:59 PM #37:	Compsognathus posted... I mean they definitely aren't default evil in DnD or BG. thats good --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:975636419] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Compsognathus posted... </cite><quote>I mean they definitely aren't default evil in DnD or BG.</quote>thats good </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dabrikishaw15 08/24/23 1:14:13 PM #38:	Uta posted... Nah there is with some regularity a group of people who will defend racist depictions in Japanese media as "forcing western politics onto poor, apolitically pure Japan". Trying to link a Hag to antisemitism seems weird. The traditional Hag seems rooted in Irish folklore, and the fantasy version leans on concepts from Mara and Baba Yaga as well. The point of the Hag is to be a creepy old witch; which invokes symbols of paganism in general. Not a stand in for Jewish people. And in a lot cases Hag were very specifically satanist monsters, Christians fearing old women performing dark magic in the woods. If the author wanted to call something out for antisemitism, she could have made a stronger argument attacking the Goblins. Goblins actually are historically linked to Jewish people, though I guess BG3 wasn't as nakedly obvious as Harry Potter was and maybe they're afraid people won't click the article if they talk about Goblins again. Thanks for the break-down. Mary Sue site isn't something I want to say bad things about but this does seem like clickbait. --- 3DS FC: 4382 - 2449 - 5707 IGN: Anthony <cite>Dabrikishaw15 posted [p:975636457] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Uta posted... </cite><quote>Nah there is with some regularity a group of people who will defend racist depictions in Japanese media as "forcing western politics onto poor, apolitically pure Japan". Trying to link a Hag to antisemitism seems weird. The traditional Hag seems rooted in Irish folklore, and the fantasy version leans on concepts from Mara and Baba Yaga as well. The point of the Hag is to be a creepy old witch; which invokes symbols of paganism in general. Not a stand in for Jewish people. And in a lot cases Hag were very specifically satanist monsters, Christians fearing old women performing dark magic in the woods. If the author wanted to call something out for antisemitism, she could have made a stronger argument attacking the Goblins. Goblins actually are historically linked to Jewish people, though I guess BG3 wasn't as nakedly obvious as Harry Potter was and maybe they're afraid people won't click the article if they talk about Goblins again.</quote>Thanks for the break-down. Mary Sue site isn't something I want to say bad things about but this does seem like clickbait. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/24/23 1:14:19 PM #39:	AceMos posted... personally i say its time to stop having witches be default evil in fiction do to the long history of witch burnings of innocent woman who often times where just gay or believed in a different religion im not saying dont have evil witches im just saying dont auto default to witch = evil I don't think "witch = default evil" has really been a thing since at least wizard of Oz. Stuff like Bewitched has been super popular for decades. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:975636462] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>personally i say its time to stop having witches be default evil in fictiondo to the long history of witch burnings of innocent woman who often times where just gay or believed in a different religion im not saying dont have evil witches im just saying dont auto default to witch = evil</quote>I don't think "witch = default evil" has really been a thing since at least wizard of Oz. Stuff like Bewitched has been super popular for decades. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BewmHedshot 08/24/23 1:15:01 PM #40:	There's hardly an evil archetype that hasn't been applied to Jewish people at some point in history. <cite>BewmHedshot posted [p:975636480] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>There's hardly an evil archetype that hasn't been applied to Jewish people at some point in history.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ragnarokius 08/24/23 2:07:59 PM #41:	But who is applying it. If someone is consciously or unconsciously using a stereotype to make a fictional race and someone else points out it's some kinda attack on that race who is actually.. stereotyping the actual race? Doesn't seem like there are any winners there. --- https://tinyurl.com/hhcb7k5d https://tinyurl.com/yre5pjxe <cite>ragnarokius posted [p:975637439] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>But who is applying it. If someone is consciously or unconsciously using a stereotype to make a fictional race and someone else points out it's some kinda attack on that race who is actually.. stereotyping the actual race? Doesn't seem like there are any winners there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 08/24/23 2:52:23 PM #42:	This is the person who wrote the article. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/1/1/AAPVm4AAEx73.jpg --- Miss the old GameFAQs politics board? Then come here to discuss it with us: https://www.reddit.com/r/gamefaqs261/ <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:975638259] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>This is the person who wrote the article.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/1/1/AAPVm4AAEx73.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Plumeofdusk 08/24/23 3:32:31 PM #43:	Humble_Novice posted... This is the person who wrote the article. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/1/1/AAPVm4AAEx73.jpg she kinda looks like the lady from that fable trailer. <cite>Plumeofdusk posted [p:975639012] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Humble_Novice posted... </cite><quote>This is the person who wrote the article.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/1/1/AAPVm4AAEx73.jpg</quote>she kinda looks like the lady from that fable trailer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
random_man9119 08/24/23 3:55:25 PM #44:	Compsognathus posted... I mean they definitely aren't default evil in DnD or BG. While DMs and players could do whatever they want with Witches, I can't think of any officially released D&D books where witches and hags aren't either Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil by default... --- NNID:MrOddities\|PSN:OddGamer2013 Playing:\|Pokemon Scarlet/Violet\|LoZ: Tears of the Kingdom\|Monster Hunter Rise\|Pokemon Let's Go Eevee\|LoZ: Twilight Princess <cite>random_man9119 posted [p:975639430] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Compsognathus posted... </cite><quote>I mean they definitely aren't default evil in DnD or BG.</quote>While DMs and players could do whatever they want with Witches, I can't think of any officially released D&D books where witches and hags aren't either Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil by default... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/24/23 4:00:25 PM #45:	random_man9119 posted... While DMs and players could do whatever they want with Witches, I can't think of any officially released D&D books where witches and hags aren't either Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil by default... Everything changed in D&D 5. Evil/Good pretty much only apply now to things that are supernaturally so like demons or celestials. You can be evil aligned but that doesn't make you "evil" and no creatures living or dead are forced into any given alignment unless they're one of the previously mentioned supernaturally evil or good races. Stats in the MM books are considered examples and not typical of an entire species. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:975639510] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>random_man9119 posted... </cite><quote>While DMs and players could do whatever they want with Witches, I can't think of any officially released D&D books where witches and hags aren't either Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil by default...</quote>Everything changed in D&D 5. Evil/Good pretty much only apply now to things that are supernaturally so like demons or celestials. You can be evil aligned but that doesn't make you "evil" and no creatures living or dead are forced into any given alignment unless they're one of the previously mentioned supernaturally evil or good races. Stats in the MM books are considered examples and not typical of an entire species. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
random_man9119 08/24/23 4:05:05 PM #46:	Tyranthraxus posted... Everything changed in D&D 5. Evil/Good pretty much only apply now to things that are supernaturally so like demons or celestials. You can be evil aligned but that doesn't make you "evil" and no creatures living or dead are forced into any given alignment unless they're one of the previously mentioned supernaturally evil or good races. All I play is 5e and I don't recall anything like this... I know the spell Detect Evil & Good is specific to supernatural stuff (fey, fiends, celetials, etc.) But otherwise I didn't know the rest... --- NNID:MrOddities\|PSN:OddGamer2013 Playing:\|Pokemon Scarlet/Violet\|LoZ: Tears of the Kingdom\|Monster Hunter Rise\|Pokemon Let's Go Eevee\|LoZ: Twilight Princess <cite>random_man9119 posted [p:975639592] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>Everything changed in D&D 5. Evil/Good pretty much only apply now to things that are supernaturally so like demons or celestials. You can be evil aligned but that doesn't make you "evil" and no creatures living or dead are forced into any given alignment unless they're one of the previously mentioned supernaturally evil or good races.</quote>All I play is 5e and I don't recall anything like this... I know the spell Detect Evil & Good is specific to supernatural stuff (fey, fiends, celetials, etc.) But otherwise I didn't know the rest... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/24/23 4:09:48 PM #47:	random_man9119 posted... All I play is 5e and I don't recall anything like this... I know the spell Detect Evil & Good is specific to supernatural stuff (fey, fiends, celetials, etc.) But otherwise I didn't know the rest... Alignment has been one of the more controversial things in d&d since 3rd edition when people started complaining about how it was stupid and not logical. In 4th edition they tried to rectify this by making the dumbest alignment system known to man. I'm convinced they hired a former bioware dev to make it. Then in 5e they said hell with it and scrapped the whole thing and now anything can be any alignment outside of special exceptions. You want to have a lawful good red dragon? Go for it. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:975639672] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>random_man9119 posted... </cite><quote>All I play is 5e and I don't recall anything like this... I know the spell Detect Evil & Good is specific to supernatural stuff (fey, fiends, celetials, etc.) But otherwise I didn't know the rest...</quote>Alignment has been one of the more controversial things in d&d since 3rd edition when people started complaining about how it was stupid and not logical. In 4th edition they tried to rectify this by making the dumbest alignment system known to man. I'm convinced they hired a former bioware dev to make it. Then in 5e they said hell with it and scrapped the whole thing and now anything can be any alignment outside of special exceptions. You want to have a lawful good red dragon? Go for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
random_man9119 08/24/23 4:16:51 PM #48:	Tyranthraxus posted... Alignment has been one of the more controversial things in d&d since 3rd edition when people started complaining about how it was stupid and not logical. In 4th edition they tried to rectify this by making the dumbest alignment system known to man. I'm convinced they hired a former bioware dev to make it. Then in 5e they said hell with it and scrapped the whole thing and now anything can be any alignment outside of special exceptions. You want to have a lawful good red dragon? Go for it. I'll have to look up the 4e Alignment system, I'm curious how bad it could be... Also I've never stuck to the alignments on the stat blocks... My main campaign has had a couple of good-aligned Liches... I've just never seen the books stray from it... --- NNID:MrOddities\|PSN:OddGamer2013 Playing:\|Pokemon Scarlet/Violet\|LoZ: Tears of the Kingdom\|Monster Hunter Rise\|Pokemon Let's Go Eevee\|LoZ: Twilight Princess <cite>random_man9119 posted [p:975639817] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>Alignment has been one of the more controversial things in d&d since 3rd edition when people started complaining about how it was stupid and not logical. In 4th edition they tried to rectify this by making the dumbest alignment system known to man. I'm convinced they hired a former bioware dev to make it. Then in 5e they said hell with it and scrapped the whole thing and now anything can be any alignment outside of special exceptions. You want to have a lawful good red dragon? Go for it.</quote>I'll have to look up the 4e Alignment system, I'm curious how bad it could be...Also I've never stuck to the alignments on the stat blocks... My main campaign has had a couple of good-aligned Liches... I've just never seen the books stray from it... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 08/24/23 4:36:29 PM #49:	I4NRulez posted... Is it Yea --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:975640194] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>I4NRulez posted... </cite><quote>Is it</quote>Yea </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The-Apostle 08/24/23 4:54:40 PM #50:	Let's just not make anything remotely entertaining anymore, because it could contain something someone else might find offensive. Also, who the hell is Mary Sue? --- Gamertag: http://goo.gl/mnO36O #GoPackGo Not changing sig until EA loses the NFL license. #NFLdropEA Started 3/12/23 <cite>The-Apostle posted [p:975640520] in Mary Sue a... [t:80545262]...</cite> <quote>Let's just not make anything remotely entertaining anymore, because it could contain something someone else might find offensive.Also, who the hell is Mary Sue? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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