Poll of the Day > Submarine with 5 passengers going to visit the Titanic wreck goes missing.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/oceangate-expeditions-titanic-titan-submarine-b2360795.html

Apparently they've been missing since yesterday and now they roughly only have like 40 hours of oxygen left.

What an awful way to go... Hopefully they find them.

RIP

the ocean will just eat ya if it can

you couldn't pay me to get in a home depot built submarine with no anything, controlled by a $20 logitech PC controller and that relies on fucking text messages to navigate

Elon Musk still has a cave submarine, he could save them

Remember kids, never go in the ocean, it'll fuck you up and then hide your body

Just open the hatch and swim up to the surface.

These millennials want hard working boomers to do everything

Paying 250K to die horribly

You couldn't pay me enough to set foot in that cramped thing. Hope they'll be found and okay.

https://www.insider.com/titan-submarine-ceo-complained-about-obscenely-safe-regulations-2023-6

They've heard some bangin' down there recently. Fingers crossed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/21/titanic-sub-search-underwater-noises-picked-up-by-canadian-plane-us-coast-guard-says

That is a horrendously cramped sub...

The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles

yeah but they're all billionaires, don't expect much empathy from the common folk

What_The_Chris posted...

yeah but they're all billionaires, don't expect much empathy from the common folk

Three of them are billionaires. One's the pilot and one's a Titanic historian giving them the tour, both of whom I'm considerably more upset by.

From what Ive read, the pilot is the CEO of the company and has apparently criticized the industry for prioritizing passenger safety. So he sure showed them.

Cacciato posted...

From what Ive read, the pilot is the CEO of the company and has apparently criticized the industry for prioritizing passenger safety. So he sure showed them.

The CEO being the captain/pilot would have been my third red flag.

Well then I guess I'm just upset for the historian.

Titanic historian also seems like a job where you should be seeing the red flags, unless this was somehow his first sub ride

adjl posted...

Well then I guess I'm just upset for the historian.

At least he died doing what he loved.

fettster777 posted...

At least he died doing what he loved.

Yeah. If he hadn't previously been on a dive to the wreck, this job was probably the chance of a lifetime for him. Still a shame, though.

Though, saying this, that last article gave an unofficial passenger list, and none of them were specifically identified as a historian. Earlier reports had suggested 3 passengers, a pilot, and a historian (who I assumed was guiding the tour), but that may have changed. If it is actually just a bunch of billionaires and the company's CEO who cut corners to make a quick buck, I'm less concerned.

adjl posted...

Yeah. If he hadn't previously been on a dive to the wreck, this job was probably the chance of a lifetime for him. Still a shame, though.

Though, saying this, that last article gave an unofficial passenger list, and none of them were specifically identified as a historian. Earlier reports had suggested 3 passengers, a pilot, and a historian (who I assumed was guiding the tour), but that may have changed. If it is actually just a bunch of billionaires and the company's CEO who cut corners to make a quick buck, I'm less concerned.

The historian was the French guy, I believe. And technically one of the billionaires was the 19 year old son of the actual rich dude, so I do feel kinda bad for that guy, if only for his age.

The more I read about the pilot/CEO the more he comes off as a piece of shit though. I guess the company even settled with a former employee they fired because he was calling them out in their safety issues.

Cacciato posted...

The more I read about the pilot/CEO the more he comes off as a piece of shit though. I guess the company even settled with a former employee they fired because he was calling them out in their safety issues.

Yeah, I love his explanation about why he didn't get the sub 'classed':

"In a 2019 blog post on OceanGates website, the company said most marine operations require that chartered vessels are classed by an independent group such as the American Bureau of Shipping (ABS), DNV/GL, Lloyds Register, or one of the many others.

But the Titan is not classed, the blog post says, adding that classing innovative designs often requires a multiyear approval process, which gets in the way of rapid innovation.

Classing agencies do not ensure that operators adhere to proper operating procedures and decision-making processes two areas that are much more important for mitigating risks at sea. The vast majority of marine (and aviation) accidents are a result of operator error, not mechanical failure, it says.
Classing assures ship owners, insurers, and regulators that vessels are designed, constructed and inspected to accepted standards. Classing may be effective at filtering out unsatisfactory designers and builders, but the established standards do little to weed out subpar vessel operators because classing agencies only focus on validating the physical vessel, it reads.
By itself, classing is not sufficient to ensure safety, the blog post says."

So basically, vehicles that are inspected for mechanical safety have a low rate of mechanical failure...imagine that.

So, let me get this straight. This "Titan" submersible that cut corners and ignored safety regulations got lost touring a ship called "Titanic" that sunk because of cut corners and ignored safety regulations...and at no point did anyone saw this coming.

Terrible way to go, but also new Darwin award recipient.

Shinebolt posted...

So, let me get this straight. This "Titan" submersible that cut corners and ignored safety regulations got lost touring a ship called "Titanic" that sunk because of cut corners and ignored safety regulations...and at no point did anyone saw this coming.

Terrible way to go, but also new Darwin award recipient.

You're not wrong.

Let this be a lesson to you about the dangers of controller drift.

captpackrat posted...

Let this be a lesson to you about the dangers of controller drift.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/9/AALv4zAAElsF.jpg

rjsilverthorn posted...

Yeah, I love his explanation about why he didn't get the sub 'classed':

"In a 2019 blog post on OceanGates website, the company said most marine operations require that chartered vessels are classed by an independent group such as the American Bureau of Shipping (ABS), DNV/GL, Lloyds Register, or one of the many others.

But the Titan is not classed, the blog post says, adding that classing innovative designs often requires a multiyear approval process, which gets in the way of rapid innovation.

Classing agencies do not ensure that operators adhere to proper operating procedures and decision-making processes two areas that are much more important for mitigating risks at sea. The vast majority of marine (and aviation) accidents are a result of operator error, not mechanical failure, it says.
Classing assures ship owners, insurers, and regulators that vessels are designed, constructed and inspected to accepted standards. Classing may be effective at filtering out unsatisfactory designers and builders, but the established standards do little to weed out subpar vessel operators because classing agencies only focus on validating the physical vessel, it reads.
By itself, classing is not sufficient to ensure safety, the blog post says."

So basically, vehicles that are inspected for mechanical safety have a low rate of mechanical failure...imagine that.

Yeah, I think I read at one point he was shitting on safety legislation for stifling commercial innovation. Like, congrats pimp. You probably just innovated your way to implosion with a Logitech controller and leftover construction pipes.

can't believe one of the guys brought his 19 year old son. why would you kill your child like that??

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Well fuck. I was coming back to point out the parallel naming of Oceangate with other terrible things that ended in failure like Watergate, Pizzagate, and Gamergate, but this takes the cake. There's also a horrible joke in there about a submersible being unsinkable but I'll let someone else have that one, I feel like an awful person enough already.

Guessing they haven't found Schrodinger's sub yet?

Nope. And I guess the even worse part is that even if managed to float to the top, since everything is bolted from the outside theyre all screwed if theyre not found before the oxygen runs out.

My money is on the thing imploded.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

you couldn't pay me to get in a home depot built submarine with no anything, controlled by a $20 logitech PC controller and that relies on fucking text messages to navigate

Saw the vid of the pilot saying it's actually a playstation controller.

I've seen enough movies to know that the crew of the submarine somehow managed to travel back in time, and wound up on the actual Titanic. Where they will die with no one the wiser.

Though at least one of them will say or do something that triggers a slight shift in history, saving someone important who would otherwise have died, but we'll never know because our reality is now the one where that person survived and from our perspective they always survived.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I've seen enough movies to know that the crew of the submarine somehow managed to travel back in time, and wound up on the actual Titanic. Where they will die with no one the wiser.

Though at least one of them will say or do something that triggers a slight shift in history, saving someone important who would otherwise have died, but we'll never know because our reality is now the one where that person survived and from our perspective they always survived.

Would it be insensitive to turn this into a land of the lost type series?

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I've seen enough movies to know that the crew of the submarine somehow managed to travel back in time, and wound up on the actual Titanic. Where they will die with no one the wiser.

Though at least one of them will say or do something that triggers a slight shift in history, saving someone important who would otherwise have died, but we'll never know because our reality is now the one where that person survived and from our perspective they always survived.

Nah, its a predestination paradox. They cause the events that lead up to the Titanic sinking.

Shinebolt posted...

Nah, its a predestination paradox. They cause the events that lead up to the Titanic sinking.

they're the iceberg

submarines didn't exist then so they'd have no concept, they just have some object looming out of the water where there could be icebergs

The people who built this thing are callous morons. Who builds a sub you can't open from the inside? Those people are officially screwed.

Lil_Bit83 posted...

The people who built this thing are callous morons. Who builds a sub you can't open from the inside? Those people are officially screwed.

Oddly, one of the people inside the sub.

Who was the guy labeled a coward for boarding a lifeboat on the Titanic again

Basically every person with a modicum of submarine type knowledge has come forward and said they are certainly dead, and this was inevitable because the sub was Basically a sealed can driven by a Madcatz controller. It never once was tested for it's max depth and with 5 people.

people who have actually used that controller back in the day said it probably just stopped being able to connect because it's literally a piece of shit lol

The stepson of the billionaire is getting hate, including from Cardi B, for attending Blink 182 concert on day that his dad could be dead.

I wonder when James Cameron will make a movie about this

Zareth posted...

I wonder when James Cameron will make a movie about this

There's really not much you can do with this that would make a good movie. Maybe a 40 minute documentary.
I do wish we could have some sort of successor to the James Cameron Titanic film though

Wait, hold on. Did they actually just use a PC controller? I thought that was just hyperbole, but if that's the case then screw feeling bad. That's a level of stupid far beyond me willing to give a fuck.

Shinebolt posted...

Wait, hold on. Did they actually use a goddamn PS2 controller? I thought the guy who commented they did was just being hyperbolic. If that's the case, then screw feeling bad. That's a level of stupid far beyond the line of me willing to give a crap.

I saw a picture suggesting it was a logitech controller from the early 2000s

BlackScythe0 posted...

I saw a picture suggesting it was a logitech controller from the early 2000s

My god...I think we need to rename the Darwin awards now.

Shinebolt posted...

My god...I think we need to rename the Darwin awards now.

Madcatz awards.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Basically every person with a modicum of submarine type knowledge has come forward and said they are certainly dead, and this was inevitable because the sub was Basically a sealed can driven by a Madcatz controller. It never once was tested for it's max depth and with 5 people.

To be fair, it was tested a few times and did fine. Until this dive.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

they're the iceberg

submarines didn't exist then

The Germans might disagree there.