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Tennousu posted...

TIL even if a monster is Called by beforehand, it doesn't prevent an inherent special summon.
e.g. opponent Called by my AW Lu Feng, I searched another, and I can still ss it since its ss is not an effect (although since it is Called by, its effect is negated the moment it hits the field).

Also yesterday I also learned (read: read) that AW Lu Feng non-targeting pop is soft OPT and you can ss as many Lu Feng as you can in one turn if you somehow able to.

Well the summon is still an effect. The trick is the wording of Called, which negates "the effects" of the specific card it targets. For other copies it only negates "activated effects and effects on the field". So any effect thats not on the field and doesnt activate is still fair game, though besides summon effects I cant think of non-activated effects in the hand or grave lpl

Ah, the more you know.

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Want to do War Rock after seeing how nice it is to unga-bunga (although AW needs thought for sure) but maybe I'll stock up the gems first.

So to hold me over before the Crystal Beast support comes out, I made a Jackpot 7 deck and am having some success with it. I made three Jackpot 7s, and one of them was a damn royal finish. Insane, but at the same time the card is only visible for like one second since it doesnt ever hit the field so you could barely tell that its royal finish.

I believe for the inherent special summons, there are no activation, as Kim says, which is generally not affected by the floodgate effects that null activation. However, if there's like a TCBOO or Rivalry etc and the field is not compatible with the special summon, special summoning then would just be an illegal move, and Master Duel flat out won't let you. Same goes for summoning via activation from hand

Cyber Dragon is pretty much difficult to stop without a summon negation effect like Solemn Johnson, and the Dangers are an example of something that needs activate to trigger a special summon.

Meanwhile I've checked Wikia, and they simply call the effect of inherent special summon an unclassified effect. I was wondering if it were like ignition or trigger or like even a fucking continuous effect considering a lot of things, but no. It's just... an effect I guess

Meanwhile, Dangers are Ignition effects that happen from the hand.

I believe... not sure how I never ran into this in MD, but if the opponent Called By a Danger card in the grave, you can in fact reveal the same card in your hand infinite amount of times (the cost is to reveal, the effect is to discard), but it's basically not gonna be allowed in anything manual or being within punching distance of a player.

^ Oh yeah thats come up a handful of times. Not to me specifically but I remember around launch some people were griefing with Wisdom Eye Magician, which is a non-OPT effect that destroys itself on resolution instead of activation.

So if the Pendulum zone column was imperm'd, you could keep attempting to activate it over and over, with it just resolving negated and staying on the field lol.

Konami put out an announcement saying they took measures to make sure things like that couldnt be used to stall the timer, but idk what those measures were

Guess there's an upper limit. Not sure what they'd do against something with a longer loop though, like the Six Sams combo which has legitimate case for looping and no real way to determine how many Bushido counter is "enough". Actually now that I think of it, I guess the timer would kinda do the job for them lol

I'm not sure why the recovery tool was taking too long for scanning (either it is internet connection or w/e) so I ended up leaving my desktop ON to take a nap.

For some reason when I woke up the desktop was in login screen.

It somehow crashed, lol.

Oh well.

Today, nearly 2 months after Linkage was added to the game, I finally pulled off the 2-card Sky Striker OTK combo for the first time. Yay.

Went to locals today and no one really showed up. Instead of refunding me for my entry I asked if I could just get an OTS pack. Glad I did that.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/3/7/AATb69AAEQOd.jpg

Fable posted...

Went to locals today and no one really showed up. Instead of refunding me for my entry I asked if I could just get an OTS pack. Glad I did that.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/3/7/AATb69AAEQOd.jpg

Damn son, nice pull. That looks really cool.

That version is like 50 bucks. Pretty good pull

Thanks! Just need 2 more to swap out for my secrets.

Sprights are sort of ruining this game for me lol.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Sprights are sort of ruining this game for me lol.

Its sort like "Normal Summon Ash Blossom" but half the deck is Ash Blossom >_>

I pulled Sprite but I haven't even used it one bit.

Otoh, playing Ancient Warriors made me unable to clear Xyz/Synchro daily, lol.

I think Sprite can OTK? I want that version.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/6/AAQ1TYAAEQZY.jpg What the fuck is this

Lord_Shadow posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/6/AAQ1TYAAEQZY.jpg What the fuck is this

A more balanced version of the banned classic card Ultimate Offering. Honestly, in this day and age, this card seems perfectly reasonable. Since it's a continuous trap, you have to hard draw it and survive to turn 3 to use that first effect, which really limits it. Outside of Floowandereeze decks and maybe Sphere Mode, I can't think of any notable examples of a single normal summon during the opponent's battle phase (after they've already set up their turn 2 board) actually making a significant difference. Floow will definitely use this card, but they're balanced without Barrier Statue, and aside from Floow I can't think of any decks that would really take advantage of this to great effect.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Sprights are sort of ruining this game for me lol.

Just be me and run anti-meta. Its so much fun. I crafted a Gigantic Sprite for the sole purposes of winter cherrying it and it is so satisfying when you pull it off

SF_Okami posted...

Just be me and run anti-meta. Its so much fun. I crafted a Gigantic Sprite for the sole purposes of winter cherrying it and it is so satisfying when you pull it off

Do you have any other recommendations? I have something that's kind of anti meta but it's barely functional.

DocileOrangeCup posted...

Do you have any other recommendations? I have something that's kind of anti meta but it's barely functional.

I can share some of my decklists when I get home. Inspector Boarder is a must have card in any anti-meta deck though. The ability to completely turn off Monster Effects is just so broken. What does your anti-meta deck look like right now?

My main deck is Inspector Boarder Gravekeepers and it can completely starve an opponent. Necrovalley + Inspector Boarder + any way to protect them can completely shut down a lot of decks before they even start moving.

Who have thought making a decklist with the new Gate Guardian support when finally becomes available?

SF_Okami posted...

I can share some of my decklists when I get home. Inspector Boarder is a must have card in any anti-meta deck though. The ability to completely turn off Monster Effects is just so broken. What does your anti-meta deck look like right now?

My main deck is Inspector Boarder Gravekeepers and it can completely starve an opponent. Necrovalley + Inspector Boarder + any way to protect them can completely shut down a lot of decks before they even start moving.

Thanks man I appreciate it. I use boarder but I'm too cheap to craft 2 more copies lol.

Phoenixeater posted...

Who have thought making a decklist with the new Gate Guardian support when finally becomes available?

That's for me in 2 years to worry about

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/7/AAZ7rcAAEQdJ.jpg
@DocileOrangeCup
This is my current main deck. It is very dependent on going first, but is very fun to play because of how simple it is, and how fun it is watching other players squirm to get out of the situation you put them in.

Basically there are two main boards to end on.
1: Necrovalley + Boarder. No graveyard utilization, and no monster effects.
2: Necrovalley + Supernaturalist. No graveyard, plus supernaturalist and Necrovalley are immune to destruction. NOBODY reads supernaturalist and will always try to destroy it because it has no protection, and Supernaturalist is a very strange card in that it just gives protection to itself and the field spell. So they will always burn a card trying to get rid of necrovalley, but fail.

A couple of other boards are good such as Heretic shenanigans, but those are the best two options. Plus, this deck uses almost no special summons, or monster effects aside from Commandant to get Necrovalley so stuff like Maxx C are not huge threats.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/7/9/AAZ7rcAAEQdL.jpg
And this is the "I refuse to let you do anything" deck. Just full of negates and floodgates and protection. If you can keep any of these monsters on the field, it severely limits the opponent.

So, Superheavy Samurai does not use spells nor traps.

Huuuuuuuuuh. :9

Leaks about Gaia structure deck and Gaia deluxe mate aayyy love it.

Also Crystal Beast selection pack. How are Crystal Beasts?

Should be good. It's not an easy deck to pilot, but you set up a really strong turn 1 board and can even play through turn 3 if you can't end it there. The combos are really fun cuz you pretty much either have the route mapped or you have to really plan ahead. Your S/T zone can get really clogged, so if you don't properly do the order right, your end board will be drastically worse

One weird thing is that I see the Dark CBs, which is huge cuz it raises the ceiling on their end board quite a bit in exchange for no longer being able to run Necrovalley (you can but it's not as good). But I don't see the broken spell/traps in the UR/SR. If they're Rs and stuff, that's freaking huge. You only need 1 Rainbow Dragon and 1 of the Fusion (you can run 2 of either but it doesn't come up enough to justify more UR gems).

If the continuous Rainbow Bridge is not in though, don't even bother pulling for this. The deck pretty much doesn't work without that golden Bridge and the trap that you can send to search for a field and put a CB on the S/T zone.

Tennousu posted...

Leaks about Gaia structure deck and Gaia deluxe mate aayyy love it.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

SF_Okami posted...

@DocileOrangeCup
This is my current main deck. It is very dependent on going first, but is very fun to play because of how simple it is, and how fun it is watching other players squirm to get out of the situation you put them in.

Basically there are two main boards to end on.
1: Necrovalley + Boarder. No graveyard utilization, and no monster effects.
2: Necrovalley + Supernaturalist. No graveyard, plus supernaturalist and Necrovalley are immune to destruction. NOBODY reads supernaturalist and will always try to destroy it because it has no protection, and Supernaturalist is a very strange card in that it just gives protection to itself and the field spell. So they will always burn a card trying to get rid of necrovalley, but fail.

A couple of other boards are good such as Heretic shenanigans, but those are the best two options. Plus, this deck uses almost no special summons, or monster effects aside from Commandant to get Necrovalley so stuff like Maxx C are not huge threats.

Oh shit thanks man. I gotta craft necrovalley... I like throwing Mahaama in as a safety net in a lot of weird decks just in case. Also am I playing this game wrong, because I never seem to get URs without crafting. Maybe I'm just unlucky.

Gaia mate looks cool. A structure seems like an odd choice considering we *just* got a "DM era nostalgia bait fusion deck based on Yugi's cards" structure, but then, it is still the anniversary window so maybe this is just something they're tossing out there as it winds down.

Im torn on the Ishizu cards.

On one hand, I really dont plan on actually using them for anything. On the other, cute girl.

It's 120 UR cp that could go to filling out extra copies of board breakers or saving for pendulums. On the other hand. Cute girl.

......

I really wouldnt actually use these stupid cards....

It's big for me because I can dismantle some stuff lol (30 UR CP and some SR CP) and we don't know what is inside.

Considering fusion-related Gaia doesn't break 20 cards, there bound to be some outside stuff like Chaos Soldier-related, maybe?

It'd be hilarious (and totally bad) if they put Dragon Shrine inside it because Dragonmaid structure already has it, but I think it's unlikely.

Ok I just saw the pack in full.

For CBs, the full base kit is:

3 Sapphire Pegasus R
1-3 Ruby Carbuncle N
3 CB Rainbow Dragon UR
1-2 Rainbow Dragon UR
1-2 Overdragon UR
1-2 Overdrive UR
2-3 Crystal Bond UR
2-3 Rainbow Bridge SR
3 Rainbow Bridge of the Heart SR
1 Rainbow Bridge of Salvation SR
1-3 Crystal Miracle SR
1 Awakening of the Crystal Ultimates N
1 Dark Sapphire Pegasus SR
1 Dark Eagle SR
1 Dark Carbuncle R
(2 other random names of CB you want, usually 4* unless you want to run rank 3 xyz)
1 Advanced Dark SR

You also want 3 D Shifter for the eventual Tears, 2 Pot of D or Pros, 1 Abyss Dweller, 1 Apo/IP/Unicorn, 1 Dugares, potentially 1 Saryuja, 1 Underworld Goddess, 1 other good Field spell like Necrovalley

You also just want the Maxx C/Ash/Called By combo, which really doesn't leave a lot of room for anything else

It's... a middle lvl in terms of price of the deck. You still have SR/R/N filling majority of the spots but you still need like a good 15 or so URs, including the staples, which can save a lot of that cost.

I've also seen spicy techs like putting the 1 of each of the Vaylantz field spell (they can revive your Carbuncle and Pegasus). Unfortunately, they're both UR, shockingly enough.

What really saves this is that Sapphire Pegasus, the undeniable 3 of in every CB build, is an R

Tennousu posted...

Gaia deluxe mate

You can even match the Gaia mate with the newly added Catapult Turtle mate base to re-enact the most bullshit moment in the entire DM anime.

I'm just glad they're finally giving Gaia some love. I think it's a little weird since, as far as I remember, I've never run into a single Gaia player online (maybe they're all in diamond huehuehue).

No, I'm pretty sure I'm at Gold and using Gaia once in a blue moon.

https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Cosmic_Quasar_Dragon

So this is the new Quasar retrain. As usual, it's somewhat of a side upgrade more than anything, but there's something rather important about what it does

It targets face-up cards and negates them based on the number of non-tuners it used +1, but... it's not until the end of turn. This particular effect also cannot be negated, which means it's probably usable, EVEN IF you negated it with Effect Veiler and else.

legendarylemur posted...

https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/Cosmic_Quasar_Dragon

So this is the new Quasar retrain. As usual, it's somewhat of a side upgrade more than anything, but there's something rather important about what it does

It targets face-up cards and negates them based on the number of non-tuners it used +1, but... it's not until the end of turn. This particular effect also cannot be negated, which means it's probably usable, EVEN IF you negated it with Effect Veiler and else.

So you can use this to bridge to summoning shooting quesar dragon or one of the other lv 12 dragons?

thats OP. When is it coming to master duel

Yeah it summons the other Cosmic, Quasar, or Sifr. It cannot summon itself as it must be special summoned using the specified materials, and its effect does not use materials as a synchro summon. It's kinda weird.

Cosmic, Quasar, and Sifr actually only has the condition that it must be synchro summoned, which Cosmic Quasar's effect does

For the first time I experienced my Lu Feng moving to the other side and I cannot special summon my own Lu Feng because....Lu Feng on the other side is the highest ATK Ancient Warrior on the field.

Truly Lu Bu experience.

Yikes, remember the CB ratios I posted? Take out like 4 of its literal most important card (Conclave and Rainbow Bridge of the Heart), a bunch of important rank 4s, the best links, and you got yourself the loaner deck that does fucking nothing

Nvm only Conclave is missing. Rainbow Bridge of the Heart is in. No Foolish Burial Goods tho

I caved to my desired and blew 2k on the new pack.

Got one Keldo, and a royal rainbow dragon. I had no interest in playing Crystal Beasts but suddenly find myself hesitating to dismantle it for the dust >_>

TIL that if Sinister Longyuan banishes Imperm, your opponent doesn't get the second effect.

Saved my ass when I stupidly played my Desires in the same column as their set card. >___>

Top-decked Tenki that allows me to fetch Sun Mou ending in DDL + Lu Feng uninterrupted from empty board.

This Mathmech player must've wished they brought Final Sigma.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

TIL that if Sinister Longyuan banishes Imperm, your opponent doesn't get the second effect.

Saved my ass when I stupidly played my Desires in the same column as their set card. >___>

Yeah when effects resolve, the state of where the card stayed at matters. It also matters when on resolution, the card needed to be in a specific state, like if the resolution required a "archetype" to be on the field, and you banished it b4 the effect resolution, then the effect doesn't go off.

For all my whinging, the Ishizu cards are crazy in zombies. I'm addicted to mills now. Just straight up 19 cards from the deck to grave. Having too much fun dumping everything and just seeing what combos I can get off.

Tennousu posted...

Top-decked Tenki that allows me to fetch Sun Mou ending in DDL + Lu Feng uninterrupted from empty board.

This Mathmech player must've wished they brought Final Sigma.

Niiiice. Idk what Ancient Warriors does but good job on combing back against Mathmechs. <_<

legendarylemur posted...

Yeah when effects resolve, the state of where the card stayed at matters. It also matters when on resolution, the card needed to be in a specific state, like if the resolution required a "archetype" to be on the field, and you banished it b4 the effect resolution, then the effect doesn't go off.

It makes so much sense now that I know that's what happens. Somehow I've never been in a situation where it's come up before. Maybe if I played Swordsoul more often...

AW is fishing for 2nd OTK.

If pressed going 1st the best we could do is a bounce/spin, a non-target pop, and depending on the starting hand, either a S/T negate or another bounce after another AW monster effect.

However the pop is turn-locked to AW monster effect only, so I brought no Ash or C.

AW still lacks 2 more cards in MD, sadly.

Edit: and I believe that Mathmech player misplayed somehow.

Wow G Golems are aggressively bad. This is a Duel Links deck if I've ever seen one

However, G Golems are a good reminder of a somewhat obscure maybe obvious to some ruling: a monster having the clause of "attack if able" on the opponent's side forces the turn player to go into battle phase and attack with every monster available.

That clause also present in iC1000, right? But that one only comes out for memes.

Other things also have it too, but I forget.

"attack if able" shows up in a few weird things, I know there's a trap used in Sumo Dice Game OTK that has that phrase, because that deck needs the opponent to not skip the battle phase, lol.

G-Golems are kinda funny, since they're yet another "link climbing archetype that sits on an unaffected boss monster", but is ludicrously more expensive than something like Marincess, which does pretty much the exact same thing, but better. >___>

Watching a sort-of roleplay YGO duel in a JP YT channel about Pyramid of Light movie and the antagonist player (Anubis, a scary-looking bastard) used freaking Melffy to do their early plays, lol.

Got really lucky going second against LiveTwin Sprights. Ashing their Gigantic Spright ended their turn and let me do my zombie stuff with only a single Imperm to worry about.

Brought out Exosisters and went against pure Spright, this time going first. They hand trapped me so I had nothing to do but sit on the trap that summons two girls. Their turn, I Maxx C in response to Deep Sea Diva, they chain Called, I chain the summoning trap. Two Xyzs should be enough to cinch game, but then they activate a second Called on a duplicate girl in the grave, so I only get one Xyz. Sad.

Still doesn't matter, because once again I can Ash their Gigantic Spright! But the funniest thing is that they used Red to negate Ash by tributing Giant. >______> (Which I keep forgetting, does this really weird fucking thing where they activate an effect during that same effect's own resolution, which essentially means they can't actually use the effect if an Xyz monster isn't on the field to detach material when the chain link resolves. Screwy)