Poll of the Day > in Louisiana, you now have to provide a valid driver's license for porn sites

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agesboy
01/03/23 5:24:46 PM
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not just for subscriptions, but to access them at all

literally 1984 up in here

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rjsilverthorn
01/03/23 5:25:41 PM
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So driving up business for VPN's.
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pionear
01/03/23 10:45:41 PM
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Still file-sharing sites and Reddit tho
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BlackScythe0
01/03/23 11:19:40 PM
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Doesn't seem super enforceable.
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BigOlePappy
01/03/23 11:25:59 PM
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agesboy posted...
not just for subscriptions, but to access them at all

literally 1984 up in here

BlackScythe0 posted...
Doesn't seem super enforceable.
Especially since it isn't true.

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GanonsSpirit
01/03/23 11:30:22 PM
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BigOlePappy posted...
Especially since it isn't true.
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adjl
01/04/23 12:00:27 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Doesn't seem super enforceable.

It's easy enough to enforce. If a site doesn't meet the necessary verification standards for anyone visiting from Louisiana, require all ISP's that operate in the state to blacklist it. Offer a reasonable bounty to anyone that reports a site in violation so they don't have to pay a government employee to trawl the pornternet for offenders, and you're pretty much covered.

Of course, it's still a stupid decision and largely a waste of time (presumably, the concern is protecting children, but there's unlikely to be any way to stop children from just taking one of their parents' licenses if they really want to bypass it, and the potential benefits of keeping children away from porn would be better delivered through a proper sex ed curriculum), but it's not that hard to figure out how it could be enforced.

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Playsaver
01/04/23 12:50:34 AM
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Are they also required to know how to drive stick.

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Judgmenl
01/04/23 5:13:03 AM
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adjl posted...
It's easy enough to enforce. If a site doesn't meet the necessary verification standards for anyone visiting from Louisiana, require all ISP's that operate in the state to blacklist it. Offer a reasonable bounty to anyone that reports a site in violation so they don't have to pay a government employee to trawl the pornternet for offenders, and you're pretty much covered.

Of course, it's still a stupid decision and largely a waste of time (presumably, the concern is protecting children, but there's unlikely to be any way to stop children from just taking one of their parents' licenses if they really want to bypass it, and the potential benefits of keeping children away from porn would be better delivered through a proper sex ed curriculum), but it's not that hard to figure out how it could be enforced.
This will be an amazing fair use case if only Net Neutrality were still a thing.

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Hard_Light
01/04/23 5:54:08 AM
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adjl posted...
It's easy enough to enforce. If a site doesn't meet the necessary verification standards for anyone visiting from Louisiana, require all ISP's that operate in the state to blacklist it. Offer a reasonable bounty to anyone that reports a site in violation so they don't have to pay a government employee to trawl the pornternet for offenders, and you're pretty much covered.

Of course, it's still a stupid decision and largely a waste of time (presumably, the concern is protecting children, but there's unlikely to be any way to stop children from just taking one of their parents' licenses if they really want to bypass it, and the potential benefits of keeping children away from porn would be better delivered through a proper sex ed curriculum), but it's not that hard to figure out how it could be enforced.

also just...go on reddit and find various peoples number to use specifically to get around it

i'm absolutely positive there would be a subreddit specifically for it


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adjl
01/04/23 9:05:30 AM
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Judgmenl posted...
This will be an amazing fair use case if only Net Neutrality were still a thing.

Net Neutrality being a thing would prevent ISP's from making that decision themselves, but I don't think it would prevent the government from making the decision for them.

Hard_Light posted...
also just...go on reddit and find various peoples number to use specifically to get around it

i'm absolutely positive there would be a subreddit specifically for it

Looking into it further, it looks like they're enforcing the use of a state-run app that digitizes driver's licenses, so I don't know if borrowing somebody else's license number would be enough. That said, unless the site keep close tabs on which licenses have been used (which creates huge data security concerns, both for privacy and potentially identity theft), it'll probably be possible to use one license multiple times (that'll be necessary for using the sites from multiple locations/devices anyway), so perhaps it'll be possible to share it that way.

The wording of the law also just stipulates that sites that fail to enforce that verification can be sued for damages resulting from minors using them, which will be almost impossible to actually prove. If nothing else, the law only applies to sites that consist of 33% or more pornographic content (which actually means the major sites could exempt themselves by uploading two copies of a cat video for every porn one), but 33% of a site like Reddit is still plenty of porn to be "damaged" by and the sites charged with those "damages" can easily just point out that somebody else would have inflicted them if they hadn't.

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Dikitain
01/04/23 9:10:32 AM
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Hard_Light posted...
also just...go on reddit and find various peoples number to use specifically to get around it

i'm absolutely positive there would be a subreddit specifically for it

"Wow, that John Doe from New Orleans sure does love porn! He has 30 million visits from just last month. "

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Nichtcrawler-X
01/04/23 9:17:05 AM
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Requiring id for voting is wrong, but requiring it for porn is right?

Such a weird country.

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adjl
01/04/23 9:19:05 AM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Requiring id for voting is wrong, but requiring it for porn is right?

Such a weird country.

This is a Republican law, and they also want voter ID (entirely for the sake of making it harder for people to vote, since that tends to favour Republicans).

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Nade_Duck
01/04/23 9:19:48 AM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Requiring id for voting is wrong, but requiring it for porn is right?

Such a weird country.
if it doesn't involve a gun or killing something innocent we don't want it.

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Nichtcrawler-X
01/04/23 9:27:28 AM
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adjl posted...
This is a Republican law, and they also want voter ID (entirely for the sake of making it harder for people to vote, since that tends to favour Republicans).

That is just inverting the issue. People need to be able to identify themselves in public and obviously also when voting.

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hockey7318
01/04/23 10:55:59 AM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
That is just inverting the issue. People need to be able to identify themselves in public and obviously also when voting.
No, it's a voters rights issue that disproportionately affects minority populations.
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Nichtcrawler-X
01/04/23 10:58:47 AM
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Then the problem is the procedure of acquiring State id. The ability to legally identify oneself in public is a given and nobody wants to or should need to carry around their birth certificate.

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LinkPizza
01/04/23 11:18:05 AM
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Its a stupid law Hopefully, it doesnt last too long

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Dikitain
01/04/23 11:21:18 AM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
The ability to legally identify oneself in public is a given

That is fundamentally the difference between your country and ours. That isn't a "given" in the US.

The exception is if you are doing something that requires a license (driving, flying, boating, buying a controlled substance, etc.), then you need to be able to prove, when asked, you are who you say you are. Otherwise, you don't need to provide such identification.

Going to vote? Just provide your name at the polling place you are registered and they will look you up.
Getting arrested? Just provide your name and the police will look you up.
Getting medical attention? Just provide a name and healthcare provider and they will look you up.

That is why providing ID for something is considered such an egregious act in our country. There isn't a history of it being a requirement.

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Nichtcrawler-X
01/04/23 11:30:53 AM
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Dikitain posted...
Going to vote? Just provide your name at the polling place you are registered and they will look you up.

Ah yes, that other stupid US thing. I am not registered to any polling place or party. I just get a government invitation for every election I am eligible to vote in and can then vote at any polling place within a set region.

Dikitain posted...
Getting arrested? Just provide your name and the police will look you up.
Getting medical attention? Just provide a name and healthcare provider and they will look you up.

Situations were a quick show of a card saves time and might even save lives.

Dikitain posted...
That is why providing ID for something is considered such an egregious act in our country. There isn't a history of it being a requirement.

Change is not necessarily a bad thing.

Dikitain posted...
The exception is if you are doing something that requires a license (driving, flying, boating, buying a controlled substance, etc.), then you need to be able to prove, when asked, you are who you say you are. Otherwise, you don't need to provide such identification.

That is not identification, that is legitimation. But usually such things can also be used as identification in other situations.

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FatalAccident
01/04/23 11:34:53 AM
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hockey7318 posted...
No, it's a voters rights issue that disproportionately affects minority populations.
black people dont have drivers licenses or passports in america or something?

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agesboy
01/04/23 11:50:52 AM
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BigOlePappy posted...
Especially since it isn't true.
i literally cannot access that one big porn site when i go to it

wait do you still think im lying about living in louisiana??

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LinkPizza
01/04/23 12:05:21 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Ah yes, that other stupid US thing. I am not registered to any polling place or party. I just get a government invitation for every election I am eligible to vote in and can then vote at any polling place within a set region.

While I cant speak for everyone, thats similar here. I can vote at any place in my area. And dont need to vote for a specific party or anything

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GanonsSpirit
01/04/23 12:15:22 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Then the problem is the procedure of acquiring State id.

Yeah, that's why it's the focal point every time it comes up.

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Far-Queue
01/04/23 12:34:41 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
While I cant speak for everyone, thats similar here. I can vote at any place in my area. And dont need to vote for a specific party or anything
Same for general elections in MA, but for primaries you have to vote on the ballot for the party you've registered for. If you're registered independent, you can choose either a Democrat or Republican ballot, but not both.

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Arishok
01/04/23 12:41:32 PM
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Dikitain posted...
"Wow, that John Doe from New Orleans sure does love porn! He has 30 million visits from just last month. "


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LinkPizza
01/04/23 12:54:14 PM
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Far-Queue posted...
Same for general elections in MA, but for primaries you have to vote on the ballot for the party you've registered for. If you're registered independent, you can choose either a Democrat or Republican ballot, but not both.

Idk I guess Maybe Im registered as Independent Never really checked that. I dont even remember registering

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Far-Queue
01/04/23 12:57:26 PM
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It might be different in other states I'm not sure. I've been living in MA since getting out of the Army like 20 years ago I don't remember voting in Colorado or other states I've lived in

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Dikitain
01/04/23 12:59:06 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
Idk I guess Maybe Im registered as Independent Never really checked that. I dont even remember registering

I think it happens automatically when you enroll in the draft. The only reason you need to register to vote is if you want to vote between the ages of 16-18, or if you didn't enroll in the draft.

That is what happened with me anyways.

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LinkPizza
01/04/23 12:59:18 PM
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Far-Queue posted...
It might be different in other states I'm not sure. I've been living in MA since getting out of the Army like 20 years ago I don't remember voting in Colorado or other states I've lived in

Other than where I currently am, Ive only voted in one other place one time. The first time I voted was in Maryland Other than that, its been in TX. Im sure you right about it. I just couldnt confirm it because Im not sure, tbh

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LinkPizza
01/04/23 1:00:04 PM
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Dikitain posted...
I think it happens automatically when you enroll in the draft. The only reason you need to register to vote is if you want to vote between the ages of 16-18, or if you didn't enroll in the draft.

That is what happened with me anyways.

Never enrolled, IIRC. I just join the military Though, the first time I voted was before that That was also like over a decade ago So, I might just not remember

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GanglyKhan
01/04/23 1:37:07 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Doesn't seem super enforceable.
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InfernalFive
01/04/23 1:45:07 PM
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BigOlePappy posted...
Especially since it isn't true.
My brother lives in LA and can confirm at least p****** requires it. So why even make that post other than to look extra pathetic?

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Nade_Duck
01/04/23 1:47:27 PM
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more proof conservativism is a disease

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Hard_Light
01/04/23 5:40:33 PM
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Dikitain posted...
That is fundamentally the difference between your country and ours. That isn't a "given" in the US.

The exception is if you are doing something that requires a license (driving, flying, boating, buying a controlled substance, etc.), then you need to be able to prove, when asked, you are who you say you are. Otherwise, you don't need to provide such identification.

Going to vote? Just provide your name at the polling place you are registered and they will look you up.
Getting arrested? Just provide your name and the police will look you up.
Getting medical attention? Just provide a name and healthcare provider and they will look you up.

That is why providing ID for something is considered such an egregious act in our country. There isn't a history of it being a requirement.
it's just like requiring a physical signature

random joe in receivables has no possible way to know if that signature was actually written by the right person or not, so what the fuck is the point of needing it


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shadowsword87
01/04/23 5:45:54 PM
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My favorite bit is, apparently, if you try to go to pornhub there's a way to sign in, but the website is french.
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Nichtcrawler-X
01/04/23 5:47:27 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
My favorite bit is, apparently, if you try to go to pornhub there's a way to sign in, but the website is french.
Y'all, new orleans hasn't been french since 1803.

A country can speak a language without belonging to the country that originally spoke it.

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streamofthesky
01/04/23 5:47:27 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Requiring id for voting is wrong, but requiring it for porn is right?

Such a weird country.

"Requiring a registration database for gun purchases is wrong, but keeping track of what porn you view is right." -- Republicans

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shadowsword87
01/04/23 5:49:48 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
A country can speak a language without belonging to the country that originally spoke it.

Of course.
It's unreasonable to assume that people in louisiana can speak french. I can pull up the stats if you actually want, but the vast majority of them can't speak french.
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agesboy
01/04/23 5:55:49 PM
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French is the main secondary language taught in schools over here. Cajun language and culture is pretty big still. Probably entirely unrelated to the login thing, though.

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Nichtcrawler-X
01/04/23 5:56:58 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Of course.
It's unreasonable to assume that people in louisiana can speak french. I can pull up the stats if you actually want, but the vast majority of them can't speak french.

Going by official numbers, the Lousiana French speaking population, is larger than the Dutch Frisian speaking population. So French support does not sound that outrageous to me.

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shadowsword87
01/04/23 6:00:03 PM
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Oh no, not french support.
You clicked on the link and it was in french first.
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Sufferedphoneix
01/04/23 6:01:18 PM
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Dikitain posted...
That is fundamentally the difference between your country and ours. That isn't a "given" in the US.

The exception is if you are doing something that requires a license (driving, flying, boating, buying a controlled substance, etc.), then you need to be able to prove, when asked, you are who you say you are. Otherwise, you don't need to provide such identification.

Going to vote? Just provide your name at the polling place you are registered and they will look you up.
Getting arrested? Just provide your name and the police will look you up.
Getting medical attention? Just provide a name and healthcare provider and they will look you up.

That is why providing ID for something is considered such an egregious act in our country. There isn't a history of it being a requirement.

It's definitely been a requirement in mine. I've had jobs ask for it.

It's not the big hurdle people think it is. People always bring up minorities but the reasons brought up as to why it affects them is more it affects poor people. And I've never seen a poor person not have their ID when they get carded for beer.

That said I think IDs should be free. 15-20 bucks whatever it is today isn't much but even the homeless should be able to get their ID

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adjl
01/04/23 6:40:24 PM
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Hard_Light posted...
random joe in receivables has no possible way to know if that signature was actually written by the right person or not, so what the f*** is the point of needing it

Mostly as a verification step if a problem shows up later. If Bob signed for the package Joe delivered, then later tries to claim it wasn't delivered, Joe can pull out the signature and compare it to other examples of Bob's handwriting to prove that Bob is lying.

Of course, if Bob intends to lie, there's nothing stopping him from giving a phony signature when the package is delivered, so it's not exactly the most secure system. Still, though, that's the theory.

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Sufferedphoneix
01/04/23 6:44:26 PM
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adjl posted...
Mostly as a verification step if a problem shows up later. If Bob signed for the package Joe delivered, then later tries to claim it wasn't delivered, Joe can pull out the signature and compare it to other examples of Bob's handwriting to prove that Bob is lying.

Of course, if Bob intends to lie, there's nothing stopping him from giving a phony signature when the package is delivered, so it's not exactly the most secure system. Still, though, that's the theory.

It's not foolproof either I've seen some good forgeries. Work with a dude that's damn good at it. He just needs a copy of your signature.. he forges the bosses signature on plenty menial daily paperwork she'd rather not be bothered with. But I've seen him do it with others. Dude signed one paper but forgot the other he just forged it for him

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adjl
01/04/23 6:49:52 PM
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It doesn't help that the signatures of people that have to sign lots of things are rarely just a matter of writing their name in their handwriting. It's often a heavily simplified set of motions that they execute from pure muscle memory, so replicating that with a bit of practice isn't nearly as hard as people would like to believe.

They're not without their own issues, but I much prefer digital signatures where possible. No messing around with printing and scanning, no need to find a pen, no RSI's, actual confirmation of who signed it and when, much harder to forge... If the knowledge of how to do it would just become a little more commonplace so I could stop having to send documents back to my superiors with a reminder that copy+pasting a photo of their signature or typing their name in a cursive-looking font don't count as digital signatures, we'd be golden.

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Sufferedphoneix
01/04/23 6:54:08 PM
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adjl posted...
It doesn't help that the signatures of people that have to sign lots of things are rarely just a matter of writing their name in their handwriting. It's often a heavily simplified set of motions that they execute from pure muscle memory, so replicating that with a bit of practice isn't nearly as hard as people would like to believe.

They're not without their own issues, but I much prefer digital signatures where possible. No messing around with printing and scanning, no need to find a pen, no RSI's, actual confirmation of who signed it and when, much harder to forge... If the knowledge of how to do it would just become a little more commonplace so I could stop having to send documents back to my superiors with a reminder that copy+pasting a photo of their signature or typing their name in a cursive-looking font don't count as digital signatures, we'd be golden.

I knew of one that might be difficult to forge. Dude had a little doodle of links head as part of his signature. It was even on his ID he asked if he could do that and dmv said if you can fit in that tiny box go for it. On the other hand I had a boss who had the easily forgebal signature. It was like a circle with a L going through it.

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VampireCoyote
01/04/23 6:54:09 PM
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lmao

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InfernalFive
01/04/23 6:56:15 PM
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Kinda off topic but french creole and louisiana french are fascinating languages to learn lol


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