Board 8 > Worst movie to make $1 billion at the box office

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masterplum posted...

I will die before I stop being outraged that the plot of how palpaltine came back is exclusively in a fortnite crossover

No, youre wrong, they totally covered that in the movie.

https://youtu.be/bz6PgdhhkUM

IT CANNOT BE! that someone greenlit this script

redrocket posted...

Ive got one word for you. Can you guess what it is?

Dinosaurs

Did the 163 Land Before Time movies even make a combined box office of Dominion?

Rise of Skywalker, and among what I've seen, it's not even fucking close. What a disaster.

Axl_Rose_85 posted...

Why are the Jurassic World movies such box office beasts when they are the most generic and forgettable action movies imaginable? They don't even have the Superhero clutch but fucking Dominion (one of the worst movies I saw this year, and I certainly didn't go see it at theaters) broke $1 Billion.

As someone who works with kids they love that shit. Like 80% of the boys I work with talk about how cool the dinosaurs are.

Axl_Rose_85 posted...

Did the 163 Land Before Time movies even make a combined box office of Dominion?

those are lame cartoon dinosaurs for babies, Jurassic World has the cool murder dinosaurs that appeal to all ages

KamikazePotato posted...

I legitimately don't think IX is ever going to get into that territory.

phantom menance, for as bad it is as an actual movie, introduced a bunch of stuff that was fun or cool to the franchise, so I think it gets some good will from people just liking Darth Maul or pod racing or whatever

i havent seen IX, but the impression I get is that it has neither fun nor cool things. So I expect youre right that no ones going to develop any sort of hindsight fondness for IX.

it has a funny looking slug, I guess, but I dont think thats going to be enough

I dont think a lot of people will develop any fondness for most of the ST over time. Maybe TFA, but TLJ is way too polarizing and RoS is nearly equally terrible.

Lets take a moment to remember that before Phantom Menace released, the Ewoks were widely considered to be by light years the worst thing ever done to Star Wars, and the nerd rage over them was endless.

What a simple time that was.

redrocket posted...

Lets take a moment to remember that before Phantom Menace released, the Ewoks were widely considered to be by light years the worst thing ever done to Star Wars, and the nerd rage over them was endless.

What a simple time that was.

And C3PO was by far the most annoying principal character.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

phantom menance, for as bad it is as an actual movie, introduced a bunch of stuff that was fun or cool to the franchise, so I think it gets some good will from people just liking Darth Maul or pod racing or whatever

i havent seen IX, but the impression I get is that it has neither fun nor cool things. So I expect youre right that no ones going to develop any sort of hindsight fondness for IX.

it has a funny looking slug, I guess, but I dont think thats going to be enough

I think this is accurate.

• 1 was a bad movie, but it was very starwars. Tons of cool new ideas that expanded the star wars universe that have been built upon for decades.
• 8 was a great sci-fi movie and extremely not starwars. If it had been renamed to something else entirely it probably would have been better received by fans
• 9 was both a bad movie and not starwars. Everyone hates it

swordz9 posted...

I dont think a lot of people will develop any fondness for most of the ST over time. Maybe TFA, but TLJ is way too polarizing and RoS is nearly equally terrible.

I doubt TFA ever gets a nostalgia bump either. The problem there is that it's not really a satisfying story by itself. Even back when it released, the general consensus was something like "it's not great, but it set us up for better movies later". Without those "better" sequels, what's the point?

masterplum posted...

* 8 was a great sci-fi movie and extremely not starwars. If it had been renamed to something else entirely it probably would have been better received by fans

Lets be real for a minute. Finns entire subplot would be terrible no matter what this movie was named.

Xeybozn posted...

I doubt TFA ever gets a nostalgia bump either. The problem there is that it's not really a satisfying story by itself. Even back when it released, the general consensus was something like "it's not great, but it set us up for better movies later". Without those "better" sequels, what's the point?

I thought it might get at least a little since people also called it stuff like Modern ANH

swordz9 posted...

I thought it might get at least a little since people also called it stuff like Modern ANH

Its ripoff ANH.

Modern ANH is Rogue One/Andor.

Xeybozn posted...

I doubt TFA ever gets a nostalgia bump either. The problem there is that it's not really a satisfying story by itself. Even back when it released, the general consensus was something like "it's not great, but it set us up for better movies later". Without those "better" sequels, what's the point?

Uh, no. The reception to Force Awakens was generally more positive than that. VIII and IX made people retroactively sour on VII.

Regardless of how he got there, Rise of Skywalker has Palpatine antics so by default it's already better than TFA.

I assume the sequel trilogy will get a nostalgia boost in 10-20 years when those who saw it as kids have grown up and there's a new trilogy of terrible star wars movies for people to compare them to.

Leonhart4 posted...

Uh, no. The reception to Force Awakens was generally more positive than that. VIII and IX made people retroactively sour on VII.

Agree when it came out

Once people had time to digest (by the time TLJ came out) people had cooled down on it and realized "well we were just kinda excited it wasn't prequel buffoonery hopefully it leads to good stuff"

andylt posted...

I assume the sequel trilogy will get a nostalgia boost in 10-20 years when those who saw it as kids have grown up and there's a new trilogy of terrible star wars movies for people to compare them to.

I doubt it because Disney is now bound and determined to pretend it doesn't exist. The prequels have been massively helped by supplementary material like Clone Wars. The sequel trilogy isn't going to get anything like that.

redrocket posted...

Lets be real for a minute. Finns entire subplot would be terrible no matter what this movie was named.

I disagree, but I really dont want to argue this for the 50th time

TFA is a good movie with flaws.

TLJ is a great movie and a great Star Wars movie and was never as divisive as the hyperbolic online reaction let on

TRoS is just bad in general.

However, people will absolutely develop nostalgia for the first two (in fact some already have) and I think TRoS is salvageable when Disney decide to move past the sequel timeline. Or just forget about it and do Duel of the Fates which wasnt perfect but was a true followup to TLJ.

masterplum posted...

I disagree, but I really dont want to argue this for the 50th time

If it wasn't a Star Wars movie, then every reviewer would be asking why half of the movie literally didn't matter to the plot.

And nobody would care about the "subversions".

TLJ only has success because it is a Star War. Otherwise, it doesn't really have any elements of being a good "sci-fi" movie.

I'll also toss in for the topic - rewatched the movies recently, and RoS is just so disappointing on almost every level. Even if something like Dark of the Moon is worse, it's hard to feel worse than I feel about RoS, and what could have been.

Ive seen absolutely nothing to make me believe TLJ isnt the most divisive movie in the franchise. People seem to either really love it or shit on it for destroying everything they loved with very few middle of the road opinions about it

swordz9 posted...

or shit on it for destroying everything they loved

I think this is a misread of the situation.

Most of the people I talk to that don't like TLJ just think it's a bad movie. It's hard to blame it for "destroying everything" when it, in fact, did basically nothing.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/8/AAUC3iAAECe8.png
This one.

LightningStrikes posted...

TLJ is a great movie and a great Star Wars movie and was never as divisive as the hyperbolic online reaction let on

Yep. This is why Disney absolutely lost their minds (and the contents of their bowels). Ditched the original director for IX. Ditched the script. Brought back JJ Abrams. Rushed out a half backed (being generous there!) movie that was undergoing constant major rewrites (conceptual level shit, not details) during filming. Abrams has publicly said it wasnt the movie he wanted to make, but he just wasnt given enough time. And Rian Johnsons announced Star Wars side project vanished into the ether.

All because TLJ wasnt really a divisive movie after all. Who knew?!

only seen the two star wars movies, but really episode ix among those

swordz9 posted...

Ive seen absolutely nothing to make me believe TLJ isnt the most divisive movie in the franchise. People seem to either really love it or shit on it for destroying everything they loved with very few middle of the road opinions about it

Because Star Wars isnt a franchise that is especially divisive otherwise it wouldnt have such broad lasting appeal. There are a few more middling responses and otherwise the films are well received. The thing about Star Wars is that the online fandom has no relation to reality. TRoS caving to those elements is one of the worse things about it and look what happened - the first Star Wars with a truly negative audience reception.

I mean just the fact that TRoS made a billion despite its reception shows that TLJ did not in fact kill the franchise. It didnt even harm it. What actually hurt Star Wars theatrically was not the quality of any film but Disney mucking up Solos release.

There isn't a single good thing that can be said about ep9

KoalaGaming posted...

The problem was the minority(the star wars fans that want to dictate how star wars should be) spoke loudest.

And then JJ catered to that group

I mean this is not on JJ. Disney is the one who brought him back and gave him a mandate.

FFDragon posted...

There isn't a single good thing that can be said about ep9

Palpatine

FFDragon posted...

There isn't a single good thing that can be said about ep9

"I'M THE SPY!" was funny.

And Wedge's cameo.

That's the whole list, though.

It is a good looking movie, although less so than any of the other Disney-era movies.

The most positive thing that can be said about Episode IX is that it indirectly led to The Mandalorian.

TLJ ruined Luke for a lot of people which might as well be killing Star Wars itself for them. All I know is it is definitely hated by a lot of people and I thought it was terrible myself despite watching nearly the entire franchise for the first time in one go.

Also on RT at least TLJ has a significantly worse audience score than RoS, but somehow RoS has an 86% which is hilarious considering how trash it is so I dunno what the fuck that is about. Neither movie is worth watching at all and Id sooner rewatch even Fallen Kingdom and Dominion before either of them

swordz9 posted...

TLJ ruined Luke for a lot of people which might as well be killing Star Wars itself for them. All I know is it is definitely hated by a lot of people and I thought it was terrible myself despite watching nearly the entire franchise for the first time in one go.

Also on RT at least TLJ has a significantly worse audience score than RoS, but somehow RoS has an 86% which is hilarious considering how trash it is so I dunno what the fuck that is about. Neither movie is worth watching at all and Id sooner rewatch even Fallen Kingdom and Dominion before either of them

Which is silly. Being offended by a character not being a paragon of righteousness is ridiculous. It's not like Luke joined the empire

masterplum posted...

Which is silly. Being offended by a character not being a paragon of righteousness is ridiculous. It's not like Luke joined the empire

Luke joining forces with Snoke would actually have been MUCH better. Potentially amazing, even. At least then you could hate him. Instead all you feel for TLJ Luke is disappointment andpity.

redrocket posted...

Luke joining forces with Snoke would actually have been MUCH better. Potentially amazing, even. At least then you could hate him. Instead all you feel for TLJ Luke is disappointment andpity.

I think that is what they were going for yeah

It was more that he felt nothing like Luke at all and was just absolutely miserable to see. Its like if you take Batman and suck out everything he stands for and all youre left with is a sad old man who has nothing left to live for or something

masterplum posted...

I think that is what they were going for yeah

And we see how that worked out!

swordz9 posted...

It was more that he felt nothing like Luke at all and was just absolutely miserable to see. Its like if you take Batman and suck out everything he stands for and all youre left with is a sad old man who has nothing left to live for or something

I did think the first 15 minutes of logan were way better than the rest of the movie

i thought luke was passable as a cranky asshole but him trying to keep a child in his sleep was insanity

SeabassDebeste posted...

i thought luke was passable as a cranky asshole but him trying to keep a child in his sleep was insanity

yeah, keeping a child sleeping is an asshole move

Good thing he never tried to kill a child in his sleep. If you watched the movie and thought that happened, you weren't paying attention.

lordjers posted...

Palpatine

That Fortnite goober coming out of nowhere was not good

swordz9 posted...

It was more that he felt nothing like Luke at all and was just absolutely miserable to see. Its like if you take Batman and suck out everything he stands for and all youre left with is a sad old man who has nothing left to live for or something

tbf Batman Beyond did exactly this and it was still great.

I would totally ignore RT audience scores before 2019. They were prone to brigading, TLJ being one of the most famous examples, there was a concerted online campaign to get it as low as possible. After Captain Marvel they introduced verified audience ratings where you have to submit your ticket. This is why TRoS has such a higher score. The verified scores tend to be quite high.

Probably Dark of the Moon though I havent seen Age of Extinction

thought IX was fine enough tbh, cant go wrong with Lando

also Dominion was the best movie in the Jurassic World trilogy

FL81 posted...

also Dominion was the best movie in the Jurassic World trilogy

Honestly that is like saying being shot is the best thing out of being shot/stabbed/decapitated