Board 8 > Worst movie to make $1 billion at the box office

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redrocket posted...

All because TLJ wasnt really a divisive movie after all. Who knew?!

Is something divisive if everyone thinks it sucks? (I know some weird people actually like TLJ, but we can safely dismiss their opinions as invalid.)

azuarc posted...

Is something divisive if everyone thinks it sucks? (I know some weird people actually like TLJ, but we can safely dismiss their opinions as invalid.)

Huh

Okay

azuarc posted...

Is something divisive if everyone thinks it sucks? (I know some weird people actually like TLJ, but we can safely dismiss their opinions as invalid.)

lol

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-viii---the-last-jedi

https://screenrant.com/last-jedi-a-cinemascore/

Rise of Skywalker and I don't think this is even up for discussion.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

those are lame cartoon dinosaurs for babies, Jurassic World has the cool murder dinosaurs that appeal to all ages

I can assure you that each of the 6 billion Land Before Time movies are better than Jurassic World Dominion. Dominion is like Monster Hunter (the movie) level kinda bad.

LiquidOshawott posted...

Probably Dark of the Moon though I havent seen Age of Extinction

Wait which is the one with the Mark Wahlberg reboot? I'm assuming it is the one in these poll options.

Oh wait I saw Age of Extinction, thought Last Knight was the one that wasnt listed

but yeah Dark of the moon was worse

(AOE was the first Wahlberg one)

Most of these movies are bad, but the grand prize goes to The Last Jedi.

azuarc posted...

Is something divisive if everyone thinks it sucks? (I know some weird people actually like TLJ, but we can safely dismiss their opinions as invalid.)

Is this satire

ChichiriMuyo posted...

Luckily for me I could see how bad the first Pirates and Transformers movies were and got off those trains fast. Everybody needs to stop lying to themselves, not even the first in those series were any good.

Yeah they were good, no lies told here.

Anyway, the answers here are Dominion, Age of Extinction, and Rise of Skywalker

MacArrowny posted...

yeah, keeping a child sleeping is an asshole move

Good thing he never tried to kill a child in his sleep. If you watched the movie and thought that happened, you weren't paying attention.

I swear the most frustrating thing in the world when discussing this movie is people spouting stuff that directly contradicts what it clearly showed or stated.

It's not without flaws or anything but you often have to wade through total horseshit like that.

The thing I most can't forgive Star Wars for is the way that every discussion turns into a Star Wars black hole every time the conversation even gets slightly adjacent to Star Wars

my god, I had stuff to say about the Star Wars movies too but the time has passed

Rise of Skywalker is the only one of these new Star Wars movies that I actively disliked. Hated, even. It had a few moments of levity but for the most part it feels pretty terrible. I'll defend every other movie in the sequel trilogy but not Rise.

I haven't even had the courage to rewatch Episode IX since I saw it in theaters

azuarc posted...

Is something divisive if everyone thinks it sucks? (I know some weird people actually like TLJ, but we can safely dismiss their opinions as invalid.)

Well fuck you too

Paratroopa1 posted...

The thing I most can't forgive Star Wars for is the way that every discussion turns into a Star Wars black hole every time the conversation even gets slightly adjacent to Star Wars

my god, I had stuff to say about the Star Wars movies too but the time has passed

To be fair, what else are people going to discuss from this particular list of movies? Stuff like Transformers and Jurassic World 2/3 have zero defenders

masterplum posted...

lol

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-viii---the-last-jedi

https://screenrant.com/last-jedi-a-cinemascore/

Critic opinions have never been relevant to anything.

4.1 on the public score is higher than it deserves, but it gets the point across.

KamikazePotato posted...

Is this satire

Nope! I usually see both sides of arguments and don't like to take sides in anything, but I fail to see any real upside to TLJ. It was (mostly) sufficiently entertaining for the two hours in the theater as a "whatever let's go see a movie" movie, and then rage-inducing afterward once your brain has a chance to parse it and also remember that Star Wars ought to be good.

JonThePenguin posted...

Well fuck you too

You're welcome. =)

Did you miss the A cinemascore

There are only 3 good Star Wars movies, and TLJ is one of them.

I feel like we moved past Minions talk, but just wanted to say I agree it doesn't belong in the poll. Expectations have to be a factor here. Minions is inoffensive and nobody cares. Compare that to, like, Wreck it Ralph 2, which is a Pacific Rim 2 like abomination that killed the franchise in people's hearts.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

There are only 3 good Star Wars movies, and TLJ is one of them

Now that is an opinion

jcgamer107 posted...

Now that is an opinion

I am very much not a Star Wars person and I definitely have some spite love for TLJ because of how annoying the antis are, lol. I've only even seen it once.

Yeah the A cinemascore for TLJ is pretty telling of what the actual reception was. It also got 5 stars from ComScore while by contrast TFA and Rogue One got 4 and a 1/2. This is actual polling of audiences not vocal online comments and a handful of audience scores hit hard by bots. Here is a Deadline article about it:

https://deadline.com/2017/12/star-wars-the-last-jedi-rotten-tomatoes-metacritic-imdb-users-cinemascore-posttrak-1202228837/amp/

So yeah on the whole TLJ is not a particularly divisive film, just a case of vocal online fandom differing. You can even see it in this thread when you compare the comments to the poll results. If you listened to online discourse you would swear that people hate most of Star Wars, but in reality almost every film got a positive reception from critics and audiences. The vocal online fandom is just separate like that.

Anyway Im all for moving the conversation past Star Wars, especially for a film thats not even in the poll. So two more things:

-Minions was close to making the list but had the second Pirates film below it too so it would have still just dodged the poll if TPM had been disqualified on the basis of not making a billion in its initial run.

-I generally disagree with the whole no cultural impact argument you see people make about some huge films like Avatar. I can tell you what the impact of every billion dollar film was and why they were so successful With one exception. The only true huh? to me is Pirates 4, as Pirates 3 did not make a billion and unlike Age of Extinction this was pre-China boom. I have no idea where all that money came from.

Paratroopa1 posted...

The thing I most can't forgive Star Wars for is the way that every discussion turns into a Star Wars black hole every time the conversation even gets slightly adjacent to Star Wars

my god, I had stuff to say about the Star Wars movies too but the time has passed

wonder who was the first one to offer a Star Wars take

neonreaper posted...

wonder who was the first one to offer a Star Wars take

The topic creator who included it in the poll?

I respect Episode I more than anything else on this list because it's the only one to have profoundly impacted popular culture and gave rise to a ton of excellent content in the expanded universe. Say what you will about The Prequels, but that era had a ton of heart and made for a great time to be a fan.

Episode I: Racer, man. Even if you don't agree with anything else I've said, you can't deny that one is a jam. The arcade cab is even better.

neonreaper posted...

wonder who was the first one to offer a Star Wars take

hey, it wasn't me! go back and check!

I guess technically it was me but it was intended as a dig at Minions.

MacArrowny posted...

yeah, keeping a child sleeping is an asshole move

Good thing he never tried to kill a child in his sleep. If you watched the movie and thought that happened, you weren't paying attention.

lmao goddammit swype keyboard sucks so bad

The only ones of the billion club I've never seen are the Fast & Furious ones. And went for the second most voted in this poll, The Lion King 2019. Found it unnecessary from announcement - unlike Jungle Book, which at least has a human, TLK would just trade 2D animation for photorealistic one. And indeed, it the original movie but worse. (and sadly, the good one is not a billion dollar movie, that's just a BOM mistake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Film_finance_task_force#Box_Office_Mojo)

And for the question on Pirates 4 making all that money: before China, but during the 3D craze (see also: Alice). And just so I can give my Star Wars take (no need to revive the discussions): TLJ and TROS served to bring me back to my original conclusion of "the story was good enough with 6 movies", taking down all the hopes TFA gave me.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How the fuck did Alice in Wonderland make a billion dollars??

Everyone saw Avatar in 2009, all theaters had to upgrade to 3D projection as a result, Alice told us it was the "next big 3D must-see event" and hit the screens with perfect timing.

(Then it was awful and killed 3D for 12 more years.)

FFDragon posted...

That Fortnite goober coming out of nowhere was not good

Still the ST's best villain.

Ngamer posted...

(Then it was awful and killed 3D for 12 more years.)

Jackass 3 had better 3D than Alice and it came out 7 months later.

What Alice in Wonderland DID do, however, was set the stage for multiple live action Disney remakes

I used to work next to someone whose favorite movie was Alice in Wonderland.

I am happy that the era of Mad Hatter influenced Halloween costumes has ended. I think the era of Harley Quinn costumes has replaced it.

I honestly had no idea the Burton Alice in Wonderland was so hated. Even though I was pretty much over Burton's schtick at the time, he's done much worse. I wouldn't say it was GOOD but it was like...totally average 2000s Burton shit for teens and mall goths.

Of course that is probably WHY it is hated but this doesn't even register to me as a thing I should hate lol. Maybe it's my own inner mall goth.

lordjers posted...

Still the ST's best villain.

This is somehow true, yes.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I honestly had no idea the Burton Alice in Wonderland was so hated. Even though I was pretty much over Burton's schtick at the time, he's done much worse. I wouldn't say it was GOOD but it was like...totally average 2000s Burton shit for teens and mall goths.

Of course that is probably WHY it is hated but this doesn't even register to me as a thing I should hate lol. Maybe it's my own inner mall goth.

You nailed it. Its just a convenient scapegoat for people to vent their distaste for mall goth culture. The venom directed against the movie is in no way proportional to its actual quality (its mediocre).

The second one was actually that bad, though.

Of the ones I've seen (never seen a Transformers movie), it's The Phantom Menace by a mile. Of course recency bias is going to pinpoint Episode 9, but that's at the very least a competently shot and acted film. Episode 1 is a failure in every imaginable way, including the lowest possible bars of being so bad it's good and being a good kids film. Nope, it's just horrendous. There aren't even arguments to make of "well it might be worse but it's more interesting." Please watch those back to back.

_Blur_ posted...

but that's at the very least a competently shot and acted film.

I feel like we watched different movies

FFDragon posted...

I feel like we watched different movies

Compared to Episode 1, which has actual bad acting and dialogue, yes 100 times over. Compared to actual good movies, no.

I agree that the acting in 9 is much better than TPM (and episode 2, which is also bad). TPM is definitely the lesser movie imo.

The ending sequence of TPM is pretty great. Not quite at the RotJ levels, but everything with Duel of the Fates and what surrounds it is better than anything in episode 9.

There's no universe in which I choose to watch Ep9 over Ep1. There's no universe where I chose to watch Ep9 a second time. I've willingly chosen to watch Ep1 several times.

It's easily the more enjoyable experience.

Episode 1 is much more fun to watch. Bad movies are much more entertaining than painfully mediocre ones.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Episode 1 is much more fun to watch. Bad movies are much more entertaining than painfully mediocre ones.

the problem is that 90% of Episode I is painfully boring

Not when you're watching with other people!

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Not when you're watching with other people!

last time I watched it was with other people and we had to stop about halfway through because we were so bored and just wanted to do anything else