Board 8 > Are there actually only 9 live-action solo Batman movies?

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LinkMarioSamus
08/05/22 9:01:03 AM
#1:


The '60s one
The Burton ones
The Schumacher ones
The Nolan ones
The new one

Did I miss anything?

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SHINE_GET_64
08/05/22 9:04:34 AM
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that's a lot

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Leonhart4
08/05/22 9:06:10 AM
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That sounds like more than any other superhero

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SeabassDebeste
08/05/22 9:08:06 AM
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SHINE_GET_64 posted...
that's a lot

Leonhart4 posted...
That sounds like more than any other superhero

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TeamRocketElite
08/05/22 9:25:01 AM
#5:


Leonhart4 posted...
That sounds like more than any other superhero


James Bond has way more movies.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/05/22 10:01:12 AM
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TeamRocketElite posted...
James Bond has way more movies.
I was gonna say this. There are 25 canon James Bond movies in the same 60-year timeframe, plus a non-canon remake by an asshole (Never Say Never Again), a direct spoof (Casino Royale 67), and several indirect spoofs (O.K. Connery, Austin Powers, Johnny English, etc.).

"Only" is a good word to describe nine for Batman (it's 11 if you count Lego Batman and the early 90s animated flop), because you'd think there'd have been a lot more since he's far and away the best DC Superhero due to the depth of his character and the ensemble of villains he has far exceeding that of anyone else from DC or Marvel.

Looking at Wikipedia, there were also two serials in the 1940s, but those should count as TV seasons that so happened to be screened in theatres because it was before home TV was a thing.

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Underleveled
08/05/22 10:06:56 AM
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SHINE_GET_64 posted...
that's a lot

Leonhart4 posted...
That sounds like more than any other superhero


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Leonhart4
08/05/22 10:07:56 AM
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He isn't counting Lego Batman or Mask of the Phantasm because he said live-action movies.

Also I didn't realize we counted Bond movies as superhero flicks.

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MartinFF7
08/05/22 10:12:14 AM
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
The '60s one
The Burton ones
The Schumacher ones
The Nolan ones
The new one

Did I miss anything?

Could Batman vs. Superman be thrown in there? I guess maybe just partial credit...
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Leonhart4
08/05/22 10:13:07 AM
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He did say solo movies, presumably to rule out stuff like Batman vs. Superman and Justice League.

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swirIdude
08/05/22 10:25:16 AM
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SHINE_GET_64 posted...
that's a lot

Leonhart4 posted...
That sounds like more than any other superhero


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BlackDra90n
08/05/22 11:04:23 AM
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My first instinct is that Spiderman has more than Batman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_in_film

I don't know if those Batman serials count but that's 11 if they do and 9 if they don't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_in_film

Spiderman has 3 with Tobey, 2 with Andrew, 3 with Tom, and then the Japanese one for 9. There's the three spinoff films from the show too.


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Lopen
08/05/22 11:12:30 AM
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Leonhart4 posted...
Also I didn't realize we counted Bond movies as superhero flicks.

I mean he kinda is, really. No superpowers but neither does Batman.

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LinkMarioSamus
08/05/22 11:14:21 AM
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More because with how big Batman is I was surprised on counting them it's still a single-digit number. Fair points raised in this thread though.

I've also seen the 1989 Batman, Batman Begins, and The Batman all within the past year and liked them all about equally. Found them all good without being blown away by any of them. Also it feels like the fight choreography gets better with every Batman movie lol.

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SHINE_GET_64
08/05/22 11:15:20 AM
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
lol
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Mr_Lasastryke
08/05/22 11:16:25 AM
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eh, i think calling james bond a superhero is stretching the definition.

is jason bourne a superhero as well?

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SeabassDebeste
08/05/22 11:17:28 AM
#18:


batman's origins in comic books and his alter-ego separate him from james bond IMO

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Lopen
08/05/22 11:18:52 AM
#19:


Jason Bourne is way more grounded in reality than the dude with cameras that shoot lasers.

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Leonhart4
08/05/22 11:49:20 AM
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
More because with how big Batman is I was surprised on counting them it's still a single-digit number. Fair points raised in this thread though.

I've also seen the 1989 Batman, Batman Begins, and The Batman all within the past year and liked them all about equally. Found them all good without being blown away by any of them. Also it feels like the fight choreography gets better with every Batman movie lol.

Spider-Man is every bit as big as Batman, which is why he also has a lot of movies.

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SeabassDebeste
08/05/22 11:53:03 AM
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the proliferation of spider-man movies is a little surprising compared to batman, but a lot of that definitely is just the fact that he's in the MCU. batman has 4 solo movies since 2000 and spider-man has 5 (american) ones outside of MCU

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CassandraCain
08/05/22 11:53:31 AM
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BlueCrystalTear posted...
he's far and away the best DC Superhero due to the depth of his character and the ensemble of villains

And his family*

All amazing characters in their own right. A perfect support group for Bruce. Including Alfred, Batman would be nothing without him.

Still sad that he died in the comics :(

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redrocket
08/05/22 11:55:11 AM
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Lopen posted...
Jason Bourne is way more grounded in reality than the dude with cameras that shoot lasers.

And Bond is way more grounded than an eccentric billionaire playing vigilante while dressed as a bat. And lets not even get into his rogues gallery

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KamikazePotato
08/05/22 11:56:06 AM
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James Bond is about as close to being a superhero as you can get without actually being a superhero.

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swordz9
08/05/22 11:58:17 AM
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I thought that was Batman since he doesnt have superpowers and can actually win against those who do have them
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KamikazePotato
08/05/22 12:00:21 PM
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Wearing a costume and having a name like (Something)-man is blatant superhero coding. You can split hairs and say that James Bond technically also has a secret identity but it's not the same.

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CassandraCain
08/05/22 12:01:41 PM
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Batman's superpower is time to plan, what is Bond's?

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Snake5555555555
08/05/22 12:02:42 PM
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My favorite superhero Godzilla has 32 movies. What does Bond say to that?

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Lopen
08/05/22 12:04:48 PM
#29:


redrocket posted...
And Bond is way more grounded than an eccentric billionaire playing vigilante while dressed as a bat. And lets not even get into his rogues gallery

I'd say Bond is less grounded than say Black Widow, however, and she's a Super Hero is she not.

Honestly the main thing that makes people not think of Bond as a superhero is that he doesn't originate in comics. He checks most of the other boxes, right down to having a rogues gallery.

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swordz9
08/05/22 12:06:33 PM
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I know. Im just saying at the end of the day despite his association with other superheroes Batman is just peak human being with a costume on
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LinkMarioSamus
08/05/22 12:10:30 PM
#31:


I meant more surprise that Batman is such a big IP in film which is derived from other source material, I was thinking there are more than only 9 live-action solo Batman films as a result.

I'm also consistently surprised at how popular the Burton Batman movies are, but thinking about it every Batman film continuity since 1997 has kind of just been reinventing the wheel.

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Leonhart4
08/05/22 1:27:04 PM
#32:


Yes we get it

For some reason you think there should have been 200 Batman movies by now

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Jakyl25
08/05/22 1:38:46 PM
#33:


Forget Bond

Godzilla is a superhero

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JJH777
08/05/22 2:10:25 PM
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Batman vs Superman should count as a Batman movie imo. While it's not a solo film, Batman has the most screentime by far, it was the introduction of a new Batman, he was the main viewership driver and is in the title. It's not a Spiderman in Avengers/Civil War situation where Spiderman is only in like 10% of the movie and he's not the primary reason for people seeing the movies.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/05/22 2:42:29 PM
#35:


Leonhart4 posted...
For some reason you think there should have been 200 Batman movies by now
The first theatrical James Bond film was in 1962. The first Batman movie was in 1966. Why are there 25 canon Bond movies but only somewhere between 9 and 12 Batman movies? Why does Bond have only two official continuities and Batman has... four or five? Maybe more?

My thought of James Bond wasn't driven by the "superhero" mindset as much as the other comparisons, namely:
  1. The timeframe being similar
  2. The rogues' gallery allowing for many films to be made
  3. The overlap of appeal with the character's complexities and dark backstory
  4. The iconic status of each character (both are instantly recognizable)
  5. Both starting in paper media - comics for one in 1940ish, books for the other in 1953
  6. The tonal parallels between eras - note how the Burton movies combined dark overtones with comedy akin to the Dalton Bond (and Die Hard), the Schumacher films were sillier like the Brosnan Bond, while the Nolan ones matched the hard-edged nature of the Daniel Craig Bond.
It's natural to compare the two, especially if you add in Q Branch and the Bat-gadgets for even further comparisons. There's similar-ish audiences between the two. Batman should be larger in film and, in a parallel universe, might be as successful of a movie IP as Bond. It's weird that it's not.

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Interstella5555
08/08/22 10:39:36 AM
#36:


TeamRocketElite posted...
James Bond has way more movies.

Leonhart4 posted...
That sounds like more than any other superhero

TeamRocketElite posted...
James Bond has way more movies.

One of these isn't like the other.
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LinkMarioSamus
08/08/22 10:46:45 AM
#37:


I'm aware that most big franchises only have a single-digit number of movies. Half the issue here is also how those are nine movies spread out across like, let's see, FOUR continuities at least? Possibly five if you don't think the Schumacher films are in continuity with the Burton ones. By contrast there are more movies in franchises like Harry Potter and Star Wars that all take place in the same continuity.

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LightningStrikes
08/08/22 11:11:31 AM
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A different way of looking at the Bond comparison is to go since 1989. There have been ten Bond movies in that time and eight (or nine counting BVS) Batman movies in that time. Bond still has the edge but not by much.

Really comic-book superhero movies were not really a thing until Superman in 1978. Both Batman and Superman had single films before then but as small films leading into TV series with the same actors. If you count Batman as starting from 1989 and Superman as starting from 1978, the rates compared to other superheroes are not that different.

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Aecioo
08/08/22 11:27:20 AM
#39:


Resident Bond expert checking in just to say anyone arguing that he's a superhero is wrong.

Please remove the Bond franchise from this topic.

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LinkMarioSamus
08/08/22 11:58:11 AM
#40:


LightningStrikes posted...
A different way of looking at the Bond comparison is to go since 1989. There have been ten Bond movies in that time and eight (or nine counting BVS) Batman movies in that time. Bond still has the edge but not by much.

Really comic-book superhero movies were not really a thing until Superman in 1978. Both Batman and Superman had single films before then but as small films leading into TV series with the same actors. If you count Batman as starting from 1989 and Superman as starting from 1978, the rates compared to other superheroes are not that different.

I was more speaking of in general as a big IP, not necessarily as a superhero franchise. And I already gave two counter-examples in Harry Potter and Star Wars. Granted a lot of it is how much comic book movies dominate in the general discourse, especially outside of the Marvel Cinematic Universe's steady stream of content.

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banananor
08/08/22 12:28:53 PM
#41:


Aecioo posted...
Resident Bond expert checking in just to say anyone arguing that he's a superhero is wrong.

Please remove the Bond franchise from this topic.
I think you're right, but I can't quite articulate why

Bond is part power fantasy, which is a good portion of superhero movies.

Bond's "powers" are to be suave, charming, wealthy, skilled, lucky, and white

But it's a different kind of power fantasy. I dunno. It does feel like any umbrella genre has to have a more generic title

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Leonhart4
08/08/22 12:41:21 PM
#42:


Bond is an adult male power fantasy

Batman is a youth power fantasy

They appeal to different demographics

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LightningStrikes
08/08/22 2:03:16 PM
#43:


Also Bond is 100% a superhero and if you say he isnt, youre wrong. Especially the more recent versions of the character that lean more into superheroics and less into you know, imperialism.

I dont even know if I agree with the adult vs youth thing because I feel that only applies to the US. Bond has a broader appeal in Europe, for instance.

Ethan Hunt is also a superhero.

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Leonhart4
08/08/22 2:22:21 PM
#44:


I just don't think of the spy/secret agent genre as a superhero genre. People look at Batman because he's the dude with no superpowers but most of them have superpowers and they all wear distinctive costumes, which Bond, Ethan Hunt, and Jason Bourne don't do. You can consider them similar but they're not the same genre.

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KamikazePotato
08/08/22 3:07:47 PM
#45:


It's all in the presentation. If James Bond had a cape and called himself Spyman, he'd be a superhero.

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Leonhart4
08/08/22 3:11:18 PM
#46:


Today I learned Metal Gear is a superhero series

Snake: "I'm no superhero. Never was, never will be."

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LightningStrikes
08/08/22 4:27:07 PM
#47:


The thing that Bourne and Snake lack is the hero part, theyre definitely super. Besides, a suit is a costume, checkmate atheists.

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Leonhart4
08/08/22 4:44:12 PM
#48:


LightningStrikes posted...
The thing that Bourne and Snake lack is the hero part, theyre definitely super. Besides, a suit is a costume, checkmate atheists.

Then they're antisuperhero series like Venom...!

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PerfectChaosZ
08/08/22 5:28:26 PM
#49:


There are a million westerns, anti-westerns, war movies, millions of movies about some guy who is tougher and more hard with than everyone else super powers in everything but name killing an unrealistic number of dudes and no one cares. Its just another genre now.
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Leonhart4
08/08/22 5:33:03 PM
#50:


Con Air is a superhero movie

The bad guys even all have villain nicknames

Plus they all wear prison uniforms so those are costumes

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Mr_Lasastryke
08/08/22 5:43:41 PM
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reservoir dogs is a supervillain team-up movie

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