Board 8 > Are there actually only 9 live-action solo Batman movies?

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Wait so this means Indiana Jones is a superhero?!

Yes Con Air. No Reservoir Dogs. Yes Indiana Jones.

I mean for reference, the director of Drive has said that he considers it to be a superhero movie.

so are there any just hero movies or are they all superhero movies

https://youtu.be/fmSO2cz2ozQ

Leonhart4 posted...

so are there any just hero movies or are they all superhero movies

Die Hard.

JackMan posted...

Die Hard.

Superhero.

Running man? Superhero. Fast and Furious films? Superheroes. Air Bud? Superhero. My Cousin Vinny? Superhero. My Left Foot? Superhero.

The Elephant Man? SUPERHERO

TBH the Marvel movies in general owe just as much to '80s and '90s action movies as they do to past superhero films.

Iron Man 3 was written and directed by the writer of Lethal Weapon for heaven's sake!

Great way to prove your point by using an example of one of the least popular MCU movies

i mean, yeah, MCU movies draw from more stuff than just past superhero movies. winter soldier is influenced by political thrillers, guardians of the galaxy is influenced by troma movies, etc.

...i don't think the logical conclusion to draw from that observation is "joe turner from three days of the condor also counts as a superhero," though.

Leonhart4 posted...

Great way to prove your point by using an example of one of the least popular MCU movies

Iron Man 3 is one of the least popular MCU movies in the same way Last Jedi is one of the least popular Star Wars movies.

Yeah Im not sure Iron Man 3 is one of the least popular MCU movies. A lot of people love it, it reviewed really well, it made over $1.2 billion, and so in. It is more just one of the most complained about MCU movies.

This is the rare case where the comparison to The Last Jedi is actually appropriate. Well done LMS Im so proud of you.

In other words, we can say "most hated" and not "least popular" since we're playing semantics. Either way, I like Iron Man 3 more than most, but it's not a ringing endorsement if that's your go to example.

Iron Man 3 is a solid mid-tier MCU film and Id say thats the prevailing opinion. It was certainly the case when Board 8 did the MCU ranking. Just a vocal minority type thing.

I wouldn't say that comparison is particularly apt. IM3 displeased people who wanted more Iron Man and less Tony Stark (I was initially one of these people), but it never got such a disgusting outcry that it made Disney reel back and cower underneath their diamond encrusted rocks.

LightningStrikes posted...

it made over $1.2 billion

all of the transformers movies made a ton of money too. box office says little about how much people actually like movies.

i agree that iron man 3 is mid-tier as far as audience reception goes, though.

CassandraCain posted...

I wouldn't say that comparison is particularly apt. IM3 displeased people who wanted more Iron Man and less Tony Stark (I was initially one of these people), but it never got such a disgusting outcry that it made Disney reel back and cower underneath their diamond encrusted rocks.

I never got the vibe Disney ever tried to cave in to outcry at TLJ. Rise of Skywalker was a lazy rush job and Abrams probably couldn't figure out how to make use of characters like Rose, plus apparently a lot of her scenes were going to be with Leia and they were cut due to Fisher's passing. The Mandalorian also strikes me more as an opportunity to explore another facet of the franchise rather than a rebuttal of TLJ.

And to be honest, Disney didn't cave in to addressing criticisms of TLJ with RoS anymore than it did addressing criticisms of TFA with TLJ if we're being honest. That's probably the real reason why TLJ appears so divisive: its tone is drastically different from its chronologically-immediate predecessor and a number of things can seem jarring right from the outset (e.g. blowing up Starkiller Base appeared to do nothing, Luke apparently didn't want to be found so why did he leave behind a map to his location?), and this attracted ST naysayers and anti-progressives like piranhas. I'd estimate that at least 60-70% of people who've seen TLJ like it, when it's more typical for such a big blockbuster event movie like its direct predecessor to fare more like 80-90% in that department. I'd probably say Eternals is in a somewhat similar boat even if it was far worse-received by critics.

We could go on and on here, and frankly at this point I'm not even sure how much vitriol towards TLJ (and to a lesser extent the whole trilogy) expressed online actually comes from fans of the series as opposed to bigots trying to further their political agendas. Half the time Luke Skywalker was brought up before TLJ it was people calling him a whiny-ass (which I never had a problem with but I totally get it), yet now he's a martyr for white male heroes? And now John Connor has apparently become that too? Are these really characters to put on a pedestal as strong white men, as opposed to people like John Rambo, Indiana Jones, John Wick, and Ethan Hunt? Me confused.

Mandalorian wasn't supposed to be the monster hit it became. It was meant to be something safe they released on Disney Plus, so if it flopped, it was no big deal.

Mandalorian's massive success probably has as much to do with why they've moved away from Star Wars theatrical releases as the backlash of the sequels.

That strikes me more as Disney just hammering on any bankable aspect of the series until it's no longer bankable. Rinse, lather, repeat. Also The Mandalorian was supposed to sell people on Disney's streaming service so it was probably meant to be as much of a monster hit as, say, Super Mario 64.

It was supposed to sell people on it in the sense that Star Wars is a big selling point for anything, but the first season was completely detached from anything else in the series for a reason. If it was poorly received, it could be quietly filed away and forgotten about.

In that way you're right.

On a side note, I'm somewhat mystified Rian Johnson gets more hate for The Last Jedi than Shane Black does for unleashing both Iron Man 3 and The Predator on audiences.

Man if only Rachel McAdams was in TLJ, nobody would've complained then.

Wait wasn't this topic about Batman

This topic is about superhero movies, and Star Wars is a superhero franchise

Oh true, Jedi are a cult of superheroes and the Sith are evil supervillains bent on world (well universe) domination. That tracks

Jack Bauer is a superhero

LinkMarioSamus posted...

On a side note, I'm somewhat mystified Rian Johnson gets more hate for The Last Jedi than Shane Black does for unleashing both Iron Man 3 and The Predator on audiences.

people care a lot more about luke skywalker than the mandarin.

Also I realized pretty quickly that both those movies were meddled with by executives, plus Black at least had a co-writer on The Predator...his longtime writing partner, RoboCop 3 director Fred Dekker. The plot thickens.

Anyone on this board seen Monster Squad?