Board 8 > Batgirl movie cancelled, despite being essentially finished

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Aecioo
08/03/22 12:19:56 AM
#51:


There's rumors this was done for tax purposes. If they cancel a lot of this stuff they can recoup some of the money in tax returns and that makes more sense then trying to market an already inflated budget when they don't have the confidence it will make a profit.

Once again, no substantial sources on this yet other than "industry sources" but it makes sense when you have a new lead in the studio trying to stop the bleeding.

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WarThaNemesis2
08/03/22 12:23:43 AM
#52:


First they take the Birds of Prey from her, then take this from her.

WB hates Barbara Gordon.

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ChichiriMuyo
08/03/22 2:39:51 AM
#53:


I think some of you guys are overestimating the phrase "basically done." Some of you even seem to think that it was done. It wasn't complete. The first take at it wasn't satisfactory and after reshoots they still didn't feel like they had a good enough project. There's no telling how much more it would have cost them to shovel it out and it probably wouldn't have been a good movie. If they could barely break even on Birds of Prey and they think this movie will do even worse with a similar budget then it's not worth putting another dime into.

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masterplum
08/03/22 7:14:13 AM
#54:


ChichiriMuyo posted...
I think some of you guys are overestimating the phrase "basically done." Some of you even seem to think that it was done. It wasn't complete. The first take at it wasn't satisfactory and after reshoots they still didn't feel like they had a good enough project. There's no telling how much more it would have cost them to shovel it out and it probably wouldn't have been a good movie. If they could barely break even on Birds of Prey and they think this movie will do even worse with a similar budget then it's not worth putting another dime into.

You could still roll it out as is to HBO max

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Ryokles
08/03/22 7:23:39 AM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Close Enough getting canceled hurt.


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LinkMarioSamus
08/03/22 7:41:58 AM
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masterplum posted...
You could still roll it out as is to HBO max

Apparently that's the whole point. WB's new management simply doesn't have enough faith in a movie made directly for streaming with such a "big" budget. That plus tax write-off issues it seems.

Might also have to do with The Flash getting delayed since it seems like WB's plans for the DCEU are completely changing due to that movie's various troubles. Seeing how Ben Affleck is apparently replacing Michael Keaton as Batman for his cameo in Aquaman 2.

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swordz9
08/03/22 7:55:16 AM
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I feel like Flash and Aquaman 2 were delayed due to bad publicity with 2 of the stars more than anything else. Flash is something they need to work on or its probably going to bomb. People already disliked Millers Flash to begin with before all the crazy shit pulled over the last year or so.

I honestly dont mind a DC cinematic reboot because a lot of their stuff wasnt too amazing, but I dont know if this is how I want it happening. HBO Max is seriously way better than anything Discovery has or could ever offer imo
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ChichiriMuyo
08/03/22 8:23:02 AM
#58:


masterplum posted...
You could still roll it out as is to HBO max
Again... I think maybe some people are over estimating what "nearly done" might mean. It could still be millions of dollars away from them putting together an actually complete movie. Given how the Snyder Cut was nothing more than a temporary blip for HBO Max they probably don't see how that money could be well spent in that way. As is they can claim it as a tax loss, if they release it we're talking about 100 million they can't recover to promote a streaming service that won't have its numbers significantly moved by just one movie.

I get that people think it sucks that this movie isn't going to be released, but from what we know as outsiders there's a fair chance that no amount of additional money spent makes it a good movie.

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LinkMarioSamus
08/03/22 8:42:01 AM
#59:


"Nearly done" in this case means post-production.

The issue is that technically The Flash was delayed supposedly for post-production reasons. That's also the reason Top Gun: Maverick didn't make its originally planned 2019 release date.

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LightningStrikes
08/03/22 9:13:13 AM
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Yeah, the film had wrapped shooting and was months and months into post-production. It was due out this year, it had screened numerous times. Its a mid-budget film too so not going to be as VFX-heavy as the typical DC film. Obviously a lot of work to do but definitely too near the finish line to be cancelled in a normal situation.

On the test screenings ViewerAnon (reliable source for this) said it was screening well enough:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1554563543986585602?cxt=HHwWhIC-wdHT9ZIrAAAA

They also have some other interesting info on the movie. Sounds like people were really liking Brendan Fraser as Firefly and JK Simmons as Gordon. A shame since this was going to be part of Frasers big comeback (he does have other projects now at least) and we got next to no Simmons Gordon in either Justice League. I think based on what we do know it probably would have been decent. No way it would have been Suicide Squad 1 bad.

More than that it definitely supports the notion that it wasnt about this film, it was more about a broader refocusing of WB. Hence why they also cancelled the Scoob sequel that was also due out this year. Also, a massive tax write-off which I believe means they can never commercially release it.

Frankly, Ill be shocked if Blue Beetle releases at all. I think theyre basically going to do to WBs current projects what Disney did to Foxs, except apparently even more severe.

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TotallyNotMI
08/03/22 9:31:15 AM
#61:


What confuses me is Disney did this to Fox so that they could take ownership of the franchises.

Discovery isn't going to pull off a DC movie franchise, are they?

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swordz9
08/03/22 9:32:33 AM
#62:


Discovery allegedly wants to go into big movies, but who knows if theyll try it for DC or not yet. Id assume they would because the audience is there for superhero stuff and DC has lots of beloved characters.
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LightningStrikes
08/03/22 9:48:30 AM
#63:


It definitely sounds like Discovery wants to totally wipe the slate clean and start over focusing purely on blockbusters. Which will be terrible for the industry overall and might not even work for them.

The thing is, a large part of WBs brand was that they were the creative-friendly studio. This also extended in theory to their DC stuff, after a false start with the whole BvS/Suicide Squad thing their pitch was that unlike Marvel their films would be director-driven. The most successful of them tended to be the ones where they let the creatives do their thing. I really dont think saying blockbusters only, also well happily cancel you after years of work is sending a great message to talent.

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swordz9
08/03/22 9:51:36 AM
#64:


Thats interesting because Id heard WB actually meddled in a lot of the superhero stuff myself.
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LightningStrikes
08/03/22 9:52:45 AM
#65:


Oh they DEFINITELY did, that was just their pitch to directors. When they meddled less they usually saw better results.

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PrivateBiscuit1
08/03/22 11:14:29 AM
#66:


LightningStrikes posted...
Oh they DEFINITELY did, that was just their pitch to directors. When they meddled less they usually saw better results.
I think Wonder Woman 1984 is the one exception that when they didn't meddle, it actually got a lot worse.

I think we can all agree that WB was bad overall for their DC cinematic universe though without a proper vision, and that Zack Snyder was absolutely awful for it despite what any of his fanboys say. He set a tone for all the movies which was just dreadful for an actual successful franchise, and WB for some reason supported it entirely.

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swordz9
08/03/22 11:22:02 AM
#67:


Yeah, the DCEU was basically a disaster from the start sadly. Id love to see an actual good DC cinematic universe because I love characters like Batman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, etc, but what weve gotten has mostly been depressing to experience.
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UshiromiyaEva
08/03/22 11:28:30 AM
#68:


I'm totally fine with having NO cinematic universe and just have solid, director driven movies. All the best DC movies had no overt or ANY connection to a big crossover.

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swordz9
08/03/22 11:36:16 AM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
I'm totally fine with having NO cinematic universe and just have solid, director driven movies. All the best DC movies had no overt or ANY connection to a big crossover.

That would also be fine, but Id still want to see them team up. Its hard not to want that. Its really sad because DC has no problem at all putting out great animated content and yet their live action offerings range from worst movie ever made contender to pretty damn great
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UshiromiyaEva
08/03/22 11:44:53 AM
#70:


DC animated had a dark spot there fo a while too when they were trying to do a big crossover animated universe! Most of those movies were mid, and aesthetically dull.

They're out of it now thank God, they even just had a movie recently in the JLU aesthetic. And it has Miss Martian as a main character. M'GANN for God's sakes.

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LinkMarioSamus
08/03/22 11:47:55 AM
#71:


Some of the takes on this over at the TV Tropes forums are amazing.

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redrocket
08/03/22 12:05:59 PM
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
Some of the takes on this over at the TV Tropes forums are amazing.

What even is the point of this post???

I mean for one, no one here cares about the opinions of randoms from the TV Tropes forums.

but even if someone did care you didnt post any of the opinions anyway SO WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING???

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scarletspeed7
08/03/22 12:13:55 PM
#73:


Just heard a great take about this from a gas station attendant in Sherman Oaks, on the I-9.

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HeroDelTiempo17
08/03/22 12:18:10 PM
#74:


Ugh this sucks. DC was on a bit of an upswing with all of its smaller, weirder projects. I hope Doom Patrol manages to have a solid enough conclusion. Losing hope for Blue Beetle though.

I know capitalism says the number must go up but I am still awed by the stupidity and hubris of other studios chasing MCU-tier blockbuster consistency without Disney's lisence to print money.

Worst part is it spreading to other channels like Adult Swim. I finally have to bury my dream of a Venture Bros. revival.

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PrivateBiscuit1
08/03/22 12:18:36 PM
#75:


Somehow LMS being a frequent user on the TV Tropes forums makes all of the sense in the world.

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UshiromiyaEva
08/03/22 12:35:09 PM
#76:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
finally have to bury my dream of a Venture Bros. revival.

I mean the movie is already well underway, but it could get cancelled I guess!

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swordz9
08/03/22 12:38:46 PM
#77:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
DC animated had a dark spot there fo a while too when they were trying to do a big crossover animated universe! Most of those movies were mid, and aesthetically dull.

They're out of it now thank God, they even just had a movie recently in the JLU aesthetic. And it has Miss Martian as a main character. M'GANN for God's sakes.

Ive liked the bulk of the animated movies. Miss Martian was great in The Fatal Five even though I wish her role was bigger in it
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Underleveled
08/03/22 12:39:10 PM
#78:


LightningStrikes posted...
Also, a massive tax write-off which I believe means they can never commercially release it.
Perhaps it'll leak in a decade a la 90s Fantastic Four.

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HeroDelTiempo17
08/03/22 12:51:59 PM
#79:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
I mean the movie is already well underway, but it could get cancelled I guess!

Oh really? I hadn't heard.

But uh...yeah. How underway are we talking here? I have to worry it might not even matter.

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Aecioo
08/03/22 12:54:11 PM
#80:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
Some of the takes on this over at the TV Tropes forums are amazing.

Do tell

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Yesmar_
08/03/22 12:56:57 PM
#81:


I'm also reading that HBO Max might get replaced and folded into Discovery+ with a focus on reality shows. Do they honestly think they can keep subscribers that way? The highest viewed shows on a streaming platform are not necessarily why people subscribe to the platform in the first place. How does a media executive not realize this? People enjoy vegging out to reality programming, but the specific programming is mostly irrelevant, so no one is going to sign up to a streaming service to get more of it. There's most likely sufficient programming in whatever service they already use.


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UshiromiyaEva
08/03/22 12:58:04 PM
#82:


Yeah it's not a revival, it's meant to be a conclusion film.

I think all we know for sure is they wrapped recording 6-8 months ago.

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PrivateBiscuit1
08/03/22 12:59:48 PM
#83:


I still won't believe the HBO Max disappearing until it happens. It's such a bad business decision that I just don't think all of these business people would burn money like that.

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Mr_Lasastryke
08/03/22 1:12:55 PM
#84:


i didn't even know TV tropes had forums

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Corrik7
08/03/22 1:21:58 PM
#85:


Leonhart4 posted...
Would rather make zero money than make some money, just not as much as you want
They think the film would have been brand damaging and not worth the damage.

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swordz9
08/03/22 1:23:10 PM
#86:


There is no fucking way in hell Batgirl could damage their brand more than WW84 or keeping Heard and Miller around.
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WarThaNemesis2
08/03/22 1:29:07 PM
#87:


That argument is also nonsense because if they cared about the brand of Barbara Gordon they would have had her in Birds of Prey instead of Harley.

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LightningStrikes
08/03/22 1:29:22 PM
#88:


Yeah this is not about one film, hence why Batgirl isnt the only project they cancelled very far into production. This is a whole studio pivot away from a certain level of film.

Which effectively makes mid-budget films even more dead than they already were.

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UshiromiyaEva
08/03/22 1:36:02 PM
#89:


Discovery does not care about brand integrity they put out that fucking Zak Bagans show.

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redrocket
08/03/22 1:39:38 PM
#90:


LightningStrikes posted...
Which effectively makes mid-budget films even more dead than they already were.

Could we say this is

the final nail in their coffin?

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MoogleKupo141
08/03/22 1:42:55 PM
#91:


they should save the DC brand with a Flash/Mera team up movie

Flash n Fish

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UshiromiyaEva
08/03/22 1:43:58 PM
#92:


https://www.cbr.com/hbo-max-removes-six-original-movies-no-warning/

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HeroDelTiempo17
08/03/22 2:37:25 PM
#93:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Yeah it's not a revival, it's meant to be a conclusion film.

I think all we know for sure is they wrapped recording 6-8 months ago.

Yeah I think I knew the first part. I guess it's good we know it's being actively worked on, but I'm still thinking no guarantees. Pretty sure voice recording gets done before the bulk of the animation work, and the show runners are notoriously slow on getting details right every step of the way. Not to be overly pessimistic, but there's plenty of time for the plug to get pulled.

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LightningStrikes
08/03/22 3:41:24 PM
#94:


The plot thickens:

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/hbo-max-removes-warner-bros-films-streaming-exclusive-1235332258/

First a bunch of HBO Max Original movies get pulled so they can be tax write-downs. Which means they are lost for good.

https://mobile.twitter.com/user/status/1554898759196315648

Then it comes out that HBO Max is going to lay off 70% of its staff and stop making scripted content. It sounds like whats left will get merged into Discovery+. So they will have effectively killed off HBO Max. It never even released in my country

I guess a small handful of the more successful shows will move to HBO proper but that is it.

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HanOfTheNekos
08/03/22 3:44:57 PM
#95:


I think what I've learned here is that LMS is probably talking about all of us on other forums and in youtube comments.

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masterplum
08/03/22 3:46:48 PM
#96:


LightningStrikes posted...
The plot thickens:

https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/hbo-max-removes-warner-bros-films-streaming-exclusive-1235332258/

First a bunch of HBO Max Original movies get pulled so they can be tax write-downs. Which means they are lost for good.

https://mobile.twitter.com/user/status/1554898759196315648

Then it comes out that HBO Max is going to lay off 70% of its staff and stop making scripted content. It sounds like whats left will get merged into Discovery+. So they will have effectively killed off HBO Max. It never even released in my country

I guess a small handful of the more successful shows will move to HBO proper but that is it.

Oh

Well I liked HBO max. Guess it's dead

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swordz9
08/03/22 3:53:10 PM
#97:


Yeah.looking like Ill be canceling my sub the way the news on this is going.
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Ryokles
08/03/22 4:03:26 PM
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Aw man I liked that pickle movie.

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Yesmar_
08/03/22 4:03:43 PM
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They're going to have to rely on reality programming, because what filmmaker/show runner is going to want to work with them after this?

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PrivateBiscuit1
08/03/22 4:07:43 PM
#100:


Yesmar_ posted...
They're going to have to rely on reality programming, because what filmmaker/show runner is going to want to work with them after this?
Spoilers: Every one of them are leaning more into reality trash. It's carrying Netflix now.

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