Board 8 > Board 8 Ranks 2010s Horror Movies - The Final Chapter - *THE RANKINGS*

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Blaziken posted...

How close are me and Red in the compatability stats? I feel like he's been my most reliable ally in this list.

How do I set that up? I've actually never done that in one of my rankings before.

Plasma and I about to end up bffs for real.

Vegas burns down as Inviso, Suprak, jcgamer, and Lightning all cash in on Midsommar!

Vegas Odds on #2:
+500: Train to Busan (2016)
+2000: Get Out (2017)

Leaderboard:
jcgamer107 $5550 (Halloween 2000, Sinister 200, You're Next 700, A Quiet Place 1500, The VVitch 750, Midsommar 400)
Inviso/Espeon/Blaziken $5150 (Creep 250, Don't Breathe 2000, Happy Death Day 500, Hereditary 2000, Midsommar 400)
wallmasterz $3500 (Don't Breathe 2000, A Quiet Place 1500)
BetrayedTangy $3250 (Insidious 300, Sinister 200, Don't Breathe 2000, Split 750)
Suprak $3150 (Don't Breathe 2000, The VVitch 750, Midsommar 400)
Corrik $1450 (You're Next 700, Tucker & Dale 750)
Lightning $900 (Happy Death Day 500, Midsommar 400)
JohnBobb $750 (The VVitch 750)
rockus $500 (Happy Death Day 500)

Noooooo!
Take from the yew tree. Feel no pain...

J/K awesome that it made the top 3 and it's nice to see some other #1 rankings.

fortybelowsummer posted...

Noooooo!
Take from the yew tree. Feel no pain...

J/K awesome that it made the top 3 and it's nice to see some other #1 rankings.

Yeah I knew going in jc was obv going to have it as his #1 but I wasn't expecting yours too!

Suprak the Stud posted...

Plasma and I about to end up bffs for real.

We just need to pretend Terrifier and The VVitch don't exist, and we're golden.

Wait, we have to wait till Sunday for #2 and #1?

Geez...how the hell am I gonna procrastinate tomorrow?

There's always the ABCs of Death!

We could just post all our scores right now and usurp the false king Snake!

plasmabeam posted...

We just need to pretend Terrifier and The VVitch don't exist, and we're golden.

Oh dang those two would demolish our BFF scores haha. I wonder who my real BFF is then.

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I originally had Midsommar at 5, then bumped it down to 7 at the last second, but after two more weeks to stew on it I would move it back down to 5. So Midsommar stans can consider it two points closer to the number two spot in your hearts!

Unless the number two spot is Get Out because Im also bumping that up two spots after thinking over things so it would really just be treading water at that point.

Hey, I wanted to ask, does anyone here watch Inside No. 9? It's a fantastic little British anthology series that covers horror, dark comedy, drama, or mysteries.

The recent series had an episode called Mr. King, and for anyone who loves Midsommar or folk horror they should try to track it down if they can.

Sign me up.

Inviso posted...

Shaun of the Dead won our 2000s ranking.

I never would have guessed Train to Busan would make it this far, but after seeing this, it makes sense!

After an intense, thorough look at who said what and who has ranked what where, I think I know won. I don't want to spoil it for people who want to be surprised, so I'll post a spoiler tag below. Note that I don't actually know and it all depends on one impossible to read ranker.

Whatever TomNook ranked as number 2. I've been able to place most people somewhat confidently, with a couple of people I couldn't and it is surprisingly close. But then we have TomNook who has the greatest spread of the remaining two: a two and a twenty-three. That's a huge 40 point swing depending on what he ranks where.

And I really can't guess what is his number 2. He ranks Us at 30 so maybe Get Out would be 23? But then he also ranked Hereditary at 29 and Midsommar at 6 so clearly he isn't averse to huge opinion differences between the same director. He has Green Room at 1 and Don't Breathe at 4 and I sort of feel like Busan fits in a bit better there? But he also has Sinister at 3 and Conjuring at 5 and I feel like Get Out might work a bit better as the one I think is actually "scarier". He also has Quiet Place at 20 and I at least saw some overlap between Quiet Place and Busan

SO WHAT IS IT YOU INSCRUTABLE SON OF A GUN

Basically join me tomorrow as I spiral into madness Dafoe style and demand (space to confuse how long you think this word is) TomNook admits he likes my lobster.

haha well-played Snake. I'm really glad my favorite movie got 3rd - much better than I expected! Coming up on the 3-year anniversary of when AMC somehow only charged me $5 to see it opening night. Adding a level of personal weirdness to it for me was finding out a childhood friend was the special effects editor on the movie, and talking to him about it afterward.

I really enjoyed reading everyone's write-ups too

Snake5555555555 posted...

(Johnbobb) ... by far the BIGGEST flaw in my opinion being the way it uses a disfigured character as nothing more than a weird, uncomfortable crutch who holds no real purpose in the film other than to essentially be the "look how ugly he is, isn't that scary?!??!" character. It's both harmful and weirdly out of place in a film where the horror is, in all other aspects, entirely focused around cult mentality, societal deviance and mental disorder, all things that are presented through speech and actions rather than what appears to be intended gross-out horror.

I did want to defend this a little, because intentionally having a genetically fucked up kid to get "closer" to a higher power sounds like something an ancient cult/religion would do, and probably has done. and the shot near the end where he looks like he's on a cloud might be a dig/commentary on religion in general.

red13n posted...

Oh I get its impact on her. But I don't think that impact really changed much of note considering the time spent on it early on. If it say, didn't happen, I don't think the plot changes all that much.

Well it's important in that Christian becomes her only 'family'. Also all 3 of them walk right up to Dani after she wins May Queen.

jcgamer107 posted...

Well it's important in that Christian becomes her only 'family'. Also all 3 of them walk right up to Dani after she wins May Queen.

She was already dependent on him at this point though. It is pretty well established he was the only thing keeping her sane. Her relationship isn't changed.. Particularly with the implication that there was some distance between her and her parents/sister(I don't recall if this distance is revealed, but it is long enough that she couldn't just go check on them). The message itself is somewhat conflicting, we have multiple people confirming shes excessively needy, but then a conflicting confirmation that her paranoia was legitimate. I don't really think it adds much here. Where we end up with them on the trip is Dani emotionally unstable and their relationship on a thread. It really is exactly where we began. Hell play the whole thing out with her parents status as a mystery, change some timelines around a little bit. You get the same story. It simply adds nothing.

red13n posted...

The message itself is somewhat conflicting, we have multiple people confirming shes excessively needy, but then a conflicting confirmation that her paranoia was legitimate.

You've hit on a great point here

But none of that stuff is "thrown out". All of that stuff is included so the rest of the movie makes sense.

Suprak the Stud posted...

But none of that stuff is "thrown out". All of that stuff is included so the rest of the movie makes sense.

The rest of the movie makes sense without it, the change I am referencing is merely altering some timeline that happens in the very earliest portion of the movie. None of the characterization changes.

Oh and to say it doesn't change is a bit of a lie. I stand by that it arguably makes the characterization worse. As I think I insinuated, I think her paranoia/attachment issues would work better when its in total question rather than legitimate.

I'm going to assume no one ranked Midsommar particularly low because it follows the typical tropes of movies about cults. Which at the same time seems to be one of the most common criticisms of the film. Possibly forgivable because it's not like most horror movies nowadays are about cults? I get the vibes it got such good reviews mostly because it looks like a masterpiece next to the Nicolas Cage Wicker Man.

What a great block of films you selected for this project, @Snake5555555555 .

Why do you think Dani succumbs to the cult in the end? Why is she targeted by Pelle? You cant disregard the entire impetus for the film and pretend it makes sense without it.

Midsommar's most unnerving portion for me was that scene and being forced to watch it in a theater full of other people. It just went on and on and on, for what felt like forever. It's moments like those in certain types of films that just make me cringe, roll my eyes and put my hand in my palms. It's the moment when you know that art > horror, and I just hate that personally.

Like I've said, I was super excited for Midsommar because of Hereditary and I've just never been let down more by a film of any sort. I wouldn't have ranked it last, but bottom 5 or so would have been a distinct possibility because of how I feel about my experience with it. When you compare the two films, both have this big moment of climax. Hereditary's decapitation scene vs. the cliff scene from Midsommar. Both are effective, even though with Midsommar you can see it coming because of the pomp and circumstance. Charlie's death in Hereditary is probably the most shocking moment I've witnessed, and I can still remember it like it was yesterday. We were watching this in a theater than serves food, and I was actually in mid bite when it happened. Rather than fill my face with food, my mouth just hung open for a good minute after it happened. It's one of the most effective deaths and shocking moments to me because the trailers indicated she was the main character, and it ended up being Peter which was very surprising coming into the movie.

In Hereditary, after this scene, the film only ramps up a gear. There's a lot of creepy imagery and spooky moments that come after this. Midsommar starts in the same "slow burn" kind of way, but once the cliff scene happens the film literally just jumps off a cliff. I don't remember a single thing of interest that took place after this that I liked seeing, and the film BEFORE the cliff was just ok. It still had the potential to be good but it was taking a little too long with it. So yeah, I'll just never understand people's fascination with this film. I remember going to Dragon Con after the movie and seeing cosplay all around of the main character.

Another mild criticism of this movie is the Josh character. We're presented with him as this respectful to the cult character who just wants to write a paper on them. Then out of nowhere he decides to forget all about his character trait of respect and appreciation for them by photographing their sacred text in the middle of the night. Nothing more than the writers realizing they needed to kill him off somehow but forgetting they wrote his character in such a way it wouldn't be easy to do.

Yeah I definitely dont want to make it seem like Midsommar is above criticism because it isnt. I think all the points Inviso made are fair fwiw. And I obviously had a lot of issues as well. But I just dont think you can classify that first scene as a dropped side plot at all.

I will say they wasted the first scene by not making it more crucial later on. I don't really agree the movie would have been the same film without it, but I wish it did have more bearing on the overall plot than it did.

I felt like the entire movie, the whole resolution, happens because Dani doesnt have any sense of community. You need that initial gut punch scene and the whole mourning afterwards is completely, 100% necessary, or at the end you would go it doesnt make sense for Dani to join a cult of weirdos and you would be justified. Why do the appeal to her? What forces her to chose this insane life style? It is bonkers insane otherwise imo.

I like how I know what you guys are talking about because I saw Dead Meat's Kill Count.

Lightning Strikes Biggest scare: The horrendously grim opening, in particular the reveal of the sister herself.

Hard to disagree with this, its genuinely disturbing.

Midsommars opening is important and really adds something to the film. Among other things, it answers the question if Christian is that annoyed by Dani, why doesnt he just break up with her? It adds to the tension between them, leaves Dani without a family (community as stated above), and more. But something doesnt have to be critical to the plot for it to add a lot of value for being included either. The opening also adds flavor

What I like about Midsommar is that you definitely don't approve of Dani by the end by you also definitely see how she got to that place.

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Lol I can't tell if this is what the movie is actually about or if Ari/someone in production wrote this

jcgamer107 posted...

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Lol I can't tell if this is what the movie is actually about or if Ari/someone in production wrote this

3.5 hours long

You keep saying that like it's a bad thing

If it's anything like Midsommar it will feel super quick!

wow

wallmasterz posted...

The opening also adds flavor

I think it just adds attempted shock value but hurts characterization. She already has a distant relationship with her family. Her boyfriend is already a dick that wont break up with her.

It ends up as this weird attempt to build sympathy for a character and their relationship but it doesn't change anything developmentally.

Was the boyfriend a dick? He just didn't really have a backbone.

A distant relationship with your family is different than learning your sister committed suicide and killer her parents. If she just had a throwaway line of yeah my family lives in a different state then that back half of the movie doesnt make sense.

Corrik7 posted...

Was the boyfriend a dick? He just didn't really have a backbone.

He was selfish but nothing get burned alive in a bear suit worthy.

Snake5555555555 posted...

If it's anything like Midsommar it will feel super quick!

I was shocked at how short Midsommar felt. I couldve sat through another hour honestly.

I want to bring up again that were some absolutely amazing horror comedies on this list but the hardest I laughed at any movie was Midsommar where the boyfriend confusedly goes I think I ate one of her pubes and then the elder lady goes that sounds probably right. I dont know why I found that phrasing and demeanor so funny but I did.

Suprak the Stud posted...

I want to bring up again that were some absolutely amazing horror comedies on this list but the hardest I laughed at any movie was Midsommar where the boyfriend confusedly goes I think I ate one of her pubes and then the elder lady goes that sounds probably right. I dont know why I found that phrasing and demeanor so funny but I did.

Can't wait until deep water is on the 2020s horror list.

It was hard for me to feel sympathy for her because I didn't like her. None of the things the movie presented to me in her backstory or "growth" throughout the film made me like her one bit or think she was justified at the end. It's kinda the same reason I didn't like The VVitch too. Neither had a likable protagonist in my opinion.

Leafeon13N posted...

I think it just adds attempted shock value but hurts characterization. She already has a distant relationship with her family. Her boyfriend is already a dick that wont break up with her.

It ends up as this weird attempt to build sympathy for a character and their relationship but it doesn't change anything developmentally.

Maybe youve seen it more recently than me. If I recall correctly hes planning to break up with her then decides to hold off after the murder-suicide. I also a remember a shot of Dani crying as he holds her and he looks like hed rather be anywhere else on the planet.

Its not about building sympathy, it explains why Christian and Dani are still together even though Christian has lost all interest in the relationship.

And even if Dani wasnt extremely close with her family shes devastated by the loss and at one point in the movie the guy from the cult who invites the crew (Pelle is it?) tells Dani he was an orphan as well and found a family with the cult.

Its okay to not like the opening but its factually the catalyst for the film. If that never happens, Christian breaks up with Dani and Dani never accompanies them on the trip

wallmasterz posted...

Maybe youve seen it more recently than me. If I recall correctly hes planning to break up with her then decides to hold off after the murder-suicide. I also a remember a shot of Dani crying as he holds her and he looks like hed rather be anywhere else on the planet.

I believe it opens up with his friends telling him to do it and he waffles and doesn't do it.

(Okay I turned it on to see how my memory was)

Opens, he made plans with her that were ambiguous(running theme), she calls him he agrees to hang out.

Flip to his friends a bit later after Dani and her friend that I think we'll never hear from again have a convo about Dani's relationship being one-sided. Flip to Christian and hes talking to his friends who are telling him to get out and hes whining about how he doesnt want out because what if he wants her back later.

So the characterization is even worse than I remember.

The murder-suicide is what made her emotionally vulnerable enough to join the cult.

This is further evidenced by the scene in the outhouse with the jumpscare. Again during the cliff scene she imagines her family on the rocks. Each event tears her down little by little.

Her sister reappears at the end too, but she's hard to spot both times, which leans into her 'moving past' the grief.

BetrayedTangy posted...

The murder-suicide is what made her emotionally vulnerable enough to join the cult.

I'm pretty sure she just went off the deep end misunderstanding what was happening with her sort of boyfriend being raped unless I'm misremembering something.

The rest was just them not really being allowed to leave and forced to join in like everyone else.

red13n posted...

I'm pretty sure she just went off the deep end misunderstanding what was happening with her sort of boyfriend being raped unless I'm misremembering something.

The rest was just them not really being allowed to leave and forced to join in like everyone else.

It was a gradual descent. She got high and saw visions of her dead family, mixed in is the fear of being abandoned by the others, and then she finally sees Christian and its the final straw for her.

Corrik7 posted...

Was the boyfriend a dick? He just didn't really have a backbone.

Yeah, this was my interpretation as well. Guy's a waffler who can't commit to anyone or anything. The redheaded guy was the dick of the group.

Suprak the Stud posted...

I was shocked at how short Midsommar felt. I couldve sat through another hour honestly.

Same. I really need to track down the director's cut one of these days.

v_charon posted...

It was hard for me to feel sympathy for her because I didn't like her. None of the things the movie presented to me in her backstory or "growth" throughout the film made me like her one bit or think she was justified at the end. It's kinda the same reason I didn't like The VVitch too. Neither had a likable protagonist in my opinion.

I felt sorry for her and I loved her character arc, but I didn't like her (or anyone else in Midsommar) at all. That said, I thought the movie itself was amazing.

plasmabeam posted...

Yeah, this was my interpretation as well. Guy's a waffler who can't commit to anyone or anything. The redheaded guy was the dick of the group.

Biggest dick move wasn't even to Dani. It was to his friend who he stole his entire dissertation idea from because he was too unremarkable to come up with one himself. But he definitely was incredibly self centered and selfish. He clearly has difficulty committing to basically anything because of that.

I felt sorry for her and I loved her character arc, but I didn't like her (or anyone else in Midsommar) at all. That said, I thought the movie itself was amazing.

Yep, definitely. I absolutely empathized with Dani and she was fascinating to follow around. I'd say I overall lean positive on her just because how much Il liked Florence Pugh but I also get not caring bout her. The rest of the group being blah is a legitimate complaint, and they're largely just there to die it feels like. They needed some of those good, creepy scenes in the middle of the movie so they needed characters bad stuff could happen to, but they all ranged from "nothing" to "actively dislike this jerk" for me.

Still loved the movie, like you said. I don't need a movie where I'm rooting for someone all the time and I thought these characters worked within the story.