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Johnbobb
05/26/22 5:49:42 PM
#151:


also guessing It Follows next

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Suprak the Stud
05/26/22 5:56:52 PM
#152:


Thesmark - The language, sets/location, cinematography, clothes, its just a wholly unique level of authenticity, filled with atmosphere. The cast (featuring the breakout performance for Anya Taylor-Joy) and the score fit perfectly too. Beyond just themes (arrogance/pride of man being able to conquer nature/the unknown, patriarchy and the place of women in young America (along with their burgeoning womanhood), the tension keeps rising so effectively, and theres a human element to all of it: the characters are not just there to be symbols for something. And what an ending! Ive seen The Witch a couple of times now and it continues to delight me and yes, it is my favorite film in the whole ranking.

Its funny, the only change I thought about for the movie is not to reveal whether the witches are real or not less than 10 minutes into the movie. Then again, there are plenty of movies like that where the whole thing rides the line between madness and the thing being real only for the movie to lose steam at the end once we know-moving it up to the beginning makes the film not about that anymore.

I agree with everything that was said here, 100%, and I even had that exact same thought about the witch reveal. I don't think it makes things any less interesting, though. Even though we're aware of the existence of outside witches, the characters aren't, and it leads to a lot of interesting scenes. You still have that slow spiral into madness as the family starts doubting each other and while I think the whole "wait is this real or not" could've been fun, he sort've did the same thing with The Lighthouse and I liked that significantly less.

Plus it helps establish that incredible opening scene that sets the tone for the entire film. I think it's better with it in, imo.

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BetrayedTangy
05/26/22 6:03:21 PM
#153:


Might as well stick with It Follows.

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Suprak the Stud
05/26/22 6:06:01 PM
#154:


It Follows likely also has some of those low scores to sop up. Hmmmmmmmmm.

Sticking with Midsommar. But I expect it to be close.

Hereditary/Get Out/Busan top three???

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BetrayedTangy
05/26/22 6:27:57 PM
#155:


Hey have you guys heard about this Winnie the Pooh horror movie that's apparently in the works?

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Suprak the Stud
05/26/22 6:29:36 PM
#156:


Yep! Winnie the Pooh just went into public domain so we might start getting some weird stuff.

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FFDragon
05/26/22 6:35:03 PM
#157:


https://youtu.be/pQ9Kr4yu1Pk

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Lightning Strikes
05/26/22 7:29:44 PM
#158:


Still going with Midsommar.

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wallmasterz
05/26/22 7:55:39 PM
#159:


Lets get weird going to guess Get Out

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Suprak the Stud
05/26/22 8:33:52 PM
#160:


Get Out
Busan
Hereditary
It Follows
Midsommar

Is my guess with number one at the top. Really good group of finalists!

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FFDragon
05/26/22 9:28:41 PM
#161:


100
130
140
142
153

With the number one being so clearly ahead of the others, I'm trying to figure out which of these basically got zero hate. I feel like it has to be Get Out at the top, right?

I mean... He'd have voted for Obama a third time if he could've

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BetrayedTangy
05/26/22 9:32:56 PM
#162:


Yeah I think Get Out is pretty much a lock for 1st place.

It has the best of both worlds with the whole artsy vs fun debate.

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plasmabeam
05/26/22 9:39:43 PM
#163:


FFDragon posted...
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130
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153

With the number one being so clearly ahead of the others, I'm trying to figure out which of these basically got zero hate. I feel like it has to be Get Out at the top, right?

I mean... He'd have voted for Obama a third time if he could've

There are 14 of us, I believe, so the winner has an average score of 7.14

Based on the vibes from our discussions, I think Midsommar and/or Hereditary got some hate. It Follows, I'm not so sure about. Busan and Get Out theoretically would be the least hated.

Then again, I expected The VVitch to get whacked with the hate stick. And as we all know, I was the only clown who ranked it lower than #19.

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FFDragon
05/26/22 9:41:12 PM
#164:


15, including Snake

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Corrik7
05/26/22 9:41:35 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
Yeah, there were two parts of my write ups I would change if I could and one of them was my criticism of the ending here. I wrote it right after seeing it but after having a couple of extra weeks to think it over, I agree with red. I like this ending much better than what I proposed.

I am really surprised VVitch somehow made it all the way to 6. I had that one begged as one of the "top six scored, bottom six scored" Snake teased right before the topic went up (this and one other movie that hasn't fallen yet, actually). I thought it would be dead right around 15. I thought it was fantastic and was one of the movies that flew by the fastest for me. Almost perfect from start to finish.

Oh, and unlike Babadook, I thought the child actors here were really good! Even the two little kids I thought were excellent and I never felt like they took me out of the movie or that I wanted to stuff them in their locker.
That scene of the boy was like 3 minutes long and all one take.

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plasmabeam
05/26/22 9:42:00 PM
#166:


FFDragon posted...
15, including Snake

My mistake. That would mean an average score of 6.66.

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FFDragon
05/26/22 9:43:05 PM
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plasmabeam posted...
My mistake. That would mean an average score of 6.66.

Ha. Fitting.

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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 12:49:58 AM
#168:


5. Hereditary (153 points)

Why I Chose It: The debut film of Ari Aster, his strong sense of direction, creepy vibes, and absolutely monstrous performances from the entire cast made Hereditary a stand-out film not only of its year, but the whole decade and arguably the whole canon of horror. It still stands as studio A24's highest-grossing film at $80 million, the rare critical and commercial horror darling that stands out as the crown jewel of their collection.

BetrayedTangy: 1
Suprak: 1
jcgamer107: 2
Plasmabeam: 2
thesmark: 3
rockus: 4
Lightning Strikes: 7
Johnbobb: 10
PrinceKaro: 10
FFDragon: 11
fortybelowsummer: 11
Snake: 15
Inviso: 17
Tom Nook: 29
red13n: 30

BetrayedTangy - As I was first reading over this list, I already knew this was going to be taking the number 1 spot. This movie not only changed my perspective on horror, but on film as a whole. Hereditary is a visual masterpiece that Ive gotten to experience several times now and it just keeps getting better. First off, the story just blows my mind, I love how the initial family dynamic establishes this unnerving atmosphere before anything scary happens. Then little by little the horror starts seeping in, especially with Charlie. Little things like her drawings, the pigeon scene, the clicking; theyre all signs of the classic creepy kid trope. This is where we start to think we have a good idea where the movie is going then pop! Her fucking head flies off. From this point onward the movie doesnt hold back at all. Each character starts handling their grief differently. As a result, they all become distanced and separated allowing Ellen and Joanie to start getting into their heads one by one before Annie finally becomes possessed and begins murdering the entire family including herself. Its absolutely horrifying and I love it for that Despite the movie containing very little action, the atmosphere and tension is all this movie needs to remain an insane thrill ride from start to finish. Theres so much more here I could go on about, but if I did, I would never finish these write ups and this one would end up looking like a 5-paragraph essay, so Im just going to call it here and take a well-earned break from writing haha.

Suprak - I LOVED this movie. This might wind up being my shortest write up, because honestly there are only so many ways I can think to say this is great. You know that really old SNL skit where Chris Farley would go you remember that one timethat was awesome.? Thats going to be my entire write-up here, I feel like. I know individual tastes vary so I dont know what the general consensus for here is going to be, but I went already after ranking stuff to see what sort of scores these movies had on Rotten Tomatoes, and I was shocked to find this had an audience score in the mid 60s. This is exactly what I want from a horror film and there really wasnt too much here Id want to change. It is interesting and unique and scary and mysterious and not afraid to get brutal but not overly reliant on it.

Just to give you a frame of reference here, the literal first thing I did after finishing this movie was google did Toni Colette get nominated for Hereditary because I felt like maybe she was and I just didnt remember it. It turns out she wasnt, and holy shit what an oversight because she is amazing in this. Just completely incredible. The entire cast here is absolutely bonkers good, but she somehow stands head and shoulders above them. This was, to me, one of the best performances in all of horror, of all time, full stop. That isnt to take anything else away from any of the other actors, because I felt like the acting and the casting here were both fantastic. The dads sort of subtle struggle of keeping the family together or the son screaming mommy as shes bashing her head on the attic or even Charlie, who was just fantastic casting. This is probably going to sound more insulting than I mean it to, but she was so weird looking and offputting just from her appearance that I cannot imagine anyone else being able to play that role as effectively as she did. Just from the way she looks you know something is up. Overall this feels like a movie where they got every single casting decision right, and where every single actor brought something important to their role.

I hate using the phrase slow burn because I feel like that tends to be a nice way of saying the first part of this is boring so try to stick with it, but I feel like it actually applies here. Theres a point in the middle of this film where I actually forgot I was watching a horror movie. I dont even mean that in a bad way, because it wasnt as if I wasnt enjoying it a lot still. But after the weird daughter character dies, I feel like there is maybe a 30 minute gap where I almost completely forgot the horror to it and the movie doesnt suffer for it in any way. Like Toni Colettes melt down at the dinner table where she is straight up screaming at her son is just so incredibly visceral and painful and raw that it feels like the most brutal scene in the entire movie, and I should probably bring up the fact that she literally saws her head off with piano wire at the end. There is a real interesting examination here on motherhood and loss and so many of those scenes after Charlies death are jaw dropping. I mean, the misdirect itself is great. I had assume Charlie was some sort of evil creature (not knowing what exactly) so I was ready for her to start doing some real evil stuff. So when she is summarily killed off with a straight up decapitation, my jaw quite literally dropped and I dont mean that as a turn of phrase. And then that scene after where the son just drives home and slowly crawls into his bed? Or when Toni Colette is sobbing and screaming she wants to die? What an incredible sequences of scenes. It is brutal and horrific but at the same time somehow very real and the movie does an amazing job with the family dynamic here as it feeds into the larger narrative.


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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 12:50:30 AM
#169:


I also think this is just supremely effective as a scary movie. It gets horror, or at least for me it gets horror, and it knows what kind of stuff is frightening and what isnt. There arent jump scares here. You dont have to worry about the monster going BOOGIE BOOGIE BOO! and jumping in front of the camera at any point. And that slow burn I mentioned earlier somehow makes the conclusion all the more frightening because the whole movie is spent bulding towards it. Sure, you have little scares along the way and that nagging sense that something is awfully, terribly wrong and very bad things are about to happen. But that payoff is one of the best payoffs on any film on this list and the last twenty minutes or so are just nonstop with its relentlessness. From Peter banging his head on the desk until the very end of the film, you just dont really have time to catch your breath. You have the dad bursting into flames and Annie hidden behind Peter literally climbing on the wall and then floating out of the room and then disturbing naked people just chilling there. And then, to top it all off, the insane head banging scene which for some reason was one of the scariest parts of any movie on this list. I dont know why, but that stuck with me so much more than any number of the movies I have later on this list that just have scary thing pop up behind someone at the prescheduled time. Oh, and then piano wire taken to the neck and more naked creeps. It is just such a fantastic conclusion, and I actually like the way the mystery of the film was almost perfectly resolved. Everything here was just so good that I almost wanted to watch it again a second time a couple of days later just to see if there was other stuff I mightve missed on the first viewing.

If I had any small complaint at all, it would be that the plot is probably a bit too convoluted and they dont always manage to explain things as well as they should. Im still a bit confused by some of the plot points here. Like it looks like they orchestrated (or at least tried to orchestrate) the death of Charlie to get a new host for the body. Buthow? I guess I dont know exactly how witchcraft works here, but they made a pretty clear point that the grandmothers original son just straight up killed himself because she had been trying to put people inside of him". So if that doesnt work, how can they manage to plan out a series of things (including a group of teenagers baking a cake with an absolutely hilarious amount of nuts in it and the son swerving to a telephone post that doesnt cause a head on collision (killing him) but instead hits the daughter character. Andif he is already in her body then why the whole resistance to things? Why does she need to be forced to go to the party? Forced to eat the cake? Isnt she in on it? That wasnt the only example I noticed, but it was the most glaring and I feel like this is a plot with a lot of moving pieces and sometimes theres a bit too many of them and things get confusing.

Overall though, that really is just a minor concern. What really pushes Hereditary to the top of my list is that I feel like it might be the best example of a movie that is both a great horror movie and a great movie in general. There are movies on this list that I thought did the horror really, really well but sort of stumbled when connecting it in terms of an actual film. And then there were others that I thought were genuinely good movies but that just werent really all that scary. Hereditary does a good job of nailing both parts here, and this is a really great movie that also manages to be creepy as hell (particularly in the fantastic final act). Im currently going back and forth as to weather this or a couple of other movies will really get the number one spot, but regardless of where it finally ends up, it was strongly considered. It is a great movie on top of a really, really good list of horror films, and really serves as a great encapsulation of where horror in general went in the late 2010s. I dont know where everyone else is going to rank it, but I would be really surprised if it doesnt manage to crack the top 10.

Jcgamer107 - Ari Asters first feature film is a little more traditional horror than Midsommar, but also contains some really raw and intense family drama. Charlies death is one of the most shocking I have ever seen in cinema - I went into the movie assuming (like most) that this was more or less a creepy kid movie and that the girl would last most of the movie as the main antagonist. Well we were all kinda half-right, but holy lord I certainly did not expect her head to be taken clean off before the halfway point. Making that whole sequence even more disturbing is the possibility that it was based on a real event: https://archive.triblive.com/news/driver-keeps-going-after-buddy-loses-head/

The movie builds perfectly, from the subtle scare of the grandmas ghost faintly appearing in a darkened corner, to the absolutely batshit-insane ending. I think Annies headless body floating up into the treehouse is one of the creepier surreal horror shots Ive seen - just being moved around by Paimon like Annie herself posing one of her miniatures.

Once again Ari is a genius when it comes to human interaction - the way Peters high school friends are entirely useless is so funny to me, particularly when Peter is being contorted by Paimon in class and his one friend just says Peter what are you doin man. Also contains the most mundane shot of a girls butt ever put to film.

There are a lot of parallels between this and Midsommar - May Queen/Hell King, dissolving of traditional family, cult/unseen forces manipulating main characters off screen - yet the stories and settings are completely unique. For anyone who liked both, I highly recommend checking out Ari Asters short films - theyre all very different but as fascinating as his features.

Plasmabeam - Masterpiece. Its original, unsettling, mysterious, bold, and so much more. I love the emotions Hereditary takes me through. It has the balls to decapitate a child and the heart to explore the aftermath of what that means to the mother whos left behind. Bonus points for the bizarre ending that leaves me disturbed, confused, and curious to this day.

Thesmark - I remember being deeply unsettled by this movie when I saw it in the theater, and I still think its great on re-watch in spite of a few flaws. To be succinct, its beautifully shot, the production design on the house/models is excellent, and the supporting cast is very strong, but of course the biggest draw here is Toni Collettes phenomenal performance. Her bitterness about her mother, her wails of grief, and her inability to process that grief, its all very intense and big, but its exactly what the movie calls for and it works well playing off of a restrained performance like Gabriel Byrnes.

The film also does one of the best executed turn the whole movie on a dime moments in recent memory about 30 minutes in, with everything following from there (and that damn click is great every time it pops up afterwards). Finally, the themes on hereditary mental illness struck a chord with me given my family history of Alzheimers. With that saidit kind of drops the ball on this aspect towards the end when the horror becomes much more concrete. That barrage of scares and confirmation of whats really happening is viscerally effective, it just doesnt exactly link up with the movie was about thematically up to that point (heck, its the title). Still, what works about it works extremely well and the overall package is stellar.

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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 12:51:28 AM
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Rockus - . Another great debut on this list and my preferred film between the two Ari Aster films here. Though part of that might be because I first saw this in a packed theater that was perfectly on the movies wavelength and it was one of the better theater experiences Ive had since. And I cant talk about it without mentioning Toni Collette who gives such a killer performance. Like Nyongo in Us its another awards worthy performance that didnt get the attention it deserves likely because genre films, and horror films in particular, can often be overlooked in awards seasons.

Lightning Strikes - Hail, Paimon!

Sometimes films are designed to be exciting or fun, and sometimes they are designed to upset you horribly. Hereditary is one of the latter. The way this film works is to present themes of hereditary (hohoho) trauma and grief and to make you experience them yourself. It does that by giving you what seems like a fairly normal horror/drama then it swerves into a sequence of horrifying events, making you feel them as the characters do. This is best exemplified by the shocking end to the first act of the film. The brutal car accident with the decapitation of Charlie is genuinely one of the most shocking things I have seen on film, and its not just a violent occurrence. The film first sits with it, showing you Peters shock and grief, his inability to accept what has happened and then it gives you the trauma of Annie discovering it in the car. Only then, after you feel these visceral, emotional character reactions do you see the head itself in one of the most disturbing pieces of horror imagery I can recall. After this, you have to watch the consequences unfold as this loss further destroys an already grief stricken family, highlighting the inescapable nature of generational trauma and abuse. The message of this film is that our families shape us in ways we dont want and there is nothing we can really do about it.

The film has an exceptional trick for making its horror moments much more impactful. A lot of the film plays out like more of a drama with a focus on character moments before giving you a sudden burst of nightmares. This structure is also reflected in the overall format of the film, which starts fairly tame before eventually ending in one of the scariest sequences of recent years. While a lot of the film is more focused on emotional upset like Charlies death or the dinner table scene, this final act has a lot of unforgettable imagery. From the appearance of Annie clinging onto the walls not highlighted at all, to Steve catching fire, to the final hellish tableau in the treehouse, it is a masterclass in satanic horror.

It is also a brilliantly executed film in a technical sense. The cinematography is beautiful, and the way the film switched from day to night is excellent use of editing. The whole film foreshadows itself well which ties into the themes of inescapability. The acting in particular is the films highlight. Toni Colette gives a stunning lead performance, and she is matched by an equally excellent performance by Alex Wolff. Gabriel Byrne also gives a strong turn as a beleaguered husband, and the whole cast is great. There is a great soundtrack which starts appropriately creepy then has a fantastic, dreamlike final track leading into one of the most bizarre credit song choices out there. On the whole this is incredibly well crafted throughout.

Despite all this glowing praise, it does have some flaws that bring it down a little. The entire cult plot is far-fetched to say the least, depending on some fairly strained logic. There is also an issue of exposition. Not just the scene at the end which I kind of like, but the scene where Annie just happens to uncover the entire story of the film. With that said this is still an unforgettable horror experience. Sometimes its worth getting upset.

5/5

Biggest scare: When you notice that Annie is on the wall near the end. I wish that I had seen this with an audience to see people catch it one at a time.

Johnbobb - Where the fuck did this movie even come from? I'm a huge fan of late 2010s horror. Some of my all-time horror favorites came from this era of A24 indie stuff, and movies like Hereditary are a big part of the reason why. I mean this no-name director shows up with an acclaimed period drama actress and the kid from Naked Brothers Band, and then HOLY SHIT and now Ari Aster is a household name for horror fanatics

PrinceKaro - A family whose grandmother is recently deceased begins having some strange things happen. See, it turns out grandma was a satanic demonologist trying to summon Paimon (the lord of hell, not the cute fairy) and that doesnt make for very good family dynamics.

After more tragedies occur they then decide to turn to ancient spirit communion rituals and of course that goes well for everyone.

It is a decent enough drama with some good suspenseful scenes. It isnt anything special but it gets the job done. Of particular note is the mother's slow decent into madness as the movie goes on. It's an okay film I guess.

FFDragon - It's hard to separate the Ari Aster's for me, but I'll give the slight nod here. but also what did I just watch

Fortybelowsummer - I would call Hereditary a tad overrated and inferior to Midsommar. Maybe its unfair to compare them, since I hold Midsommar in quite high esteem, as youll see, but its inevitable to compare a directors movies. I just kept hearing so much talk about it before seeing it. That isnt to say Iwas disappointed though. It really is a breath of fresh air and provides some super scary moments in a very unique way. Theres nothing artificial about the scares and the dread builds steadily while breaking the rules that we think have been established. Toni Collette, and really the rest of the cast too, are great as they portray broken and troubled people that add a disturbing human element to the supernatural goings-on in the film. Overall great stuff and really a game changer that sets the bar.

Snake - Very rarely does a writer/director make his name readily apparent as Ari Aster does in his debut film here, in any genre, not just horror. Hereditary isnt a perfect film in my eyes, not even close, but I can recognize, at least objectively, that it really is quite special. It dares to be bold by decapitating a little girl, it dares to dazzle the viewer with downright gorgeous cinematography playing with perspective and size, and it dares to explore devastating grief in its own tone and voice, while somehow being this popcorn-munching haunted house horror flick at the same time. Aster knew what he wanted and he went for it, grabbing his own project by the reins and earning the reputation it has today. I cannot watch Colletes or Alex Wolffs performances without at least sharing in their emotional depths - between this and The Babadook, 2010s horror sure knows how to absolutely wreck an audience. But, as I alluded to earlier, not everything is a slam dunk. Its Conjuring-esque end game ambitions drop the ball for me - its not as scary as the psychological torture, I dare say a lot of the techniques and scares feel generic at worst and I feel bad saying that because most of the run time is excellent. Either way, its still a great watch overall and a few choices I disagree with isnt going to change that.

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05/27/22 12:52:09 AM
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Inviso - I struggled with this movie. Its over two hours long, and that first hour just drags SO much. These artsier horror movies CAN work, but you have to give me an interest cast I can get emotionally invested in. With this movie though, the FIRST scene is a family going to a funeral. And for the first half of the film, theyre just WILDLY depressed and dour and generally unpleasant. Its not fun to watch at all, and I fully admit reaching a point where I just didnt care what was going on on-screen. I get why it was necessary; to build up the family and their struggles. And admittedly, the big moment of the movie comes in that first half, but even that just leads to more boredom and depression.

Now, for all that first paragraph, I ended up liking the film well enough. I think the point that it finally turned a corner was the dinner scene, when Annie just erupts and vents all of her emotions towards Peter (and he fires back). Toni Collette is amazing in this film, and thats the point when she starts to become interesting, rather than just some mopey character. She gets desperate to overcome the grief over losing her daughter, and she turns to the occult, which proves to be a trap. And thats when the movie shifts to a demonic possession angle, with Annie growing increasingly unhinged, and Peter starts getting terrified by what he believes to be evil spirits blaming him for Charlies death. The end sequence with the fiery death of the only sane voice in the cast, and the creepy possession of Annie, is a joy to behold, and it culminates in an unsettling cult scene that sells the atmosphere really really well.

Overall, that back half is great, but the first half drags SO long, and I feel like the front half of ANY media is the most important part, since it keeps the audience engaged. As such, this was a more middling movie for me.

Tom Nook - Apparently it's blasphemy to not like this movie, but it's part of a horror style that I often don't connect with. There are a lot of movies on this list and in the genre that feature supernatural evil where the rules feel very unclear. One thing that often takes me out of a horror film is when you can't really get a grasp on the power levels of the evil, and yet you see it constantly doing things that bend reality and give it the upper hand almost from the beginning. It's hard to feel anything when the evil can do anything. I thought Hereditary was very guilty of this, and the later half of the movie dropped the ball hard for me because of this. I thought the beginning of the movie was actually quite good though, up through the son decapitating his sister with the pole and him dealing with the guilt. But not long after that, I really started to lose a connection with the movie when the usual supernatural demon shit got more and more frequent with completely unbeatable power that could extend into anything anywhere as if they could always win, so why waste my time.

Red13n - If there is one thing a lot of these horror movies get right, its that they know they are horror movies don't try to take themselves too seriously. They sometimes aren't fantastic, they are in fore cheap thrill and gruesome deaths and a bunch of throwaway characters that will be systematically murdered. Hereditary is a movie that plays like its going for an oscar, except it is one of the worst movies I've ever sat through in my life. I don't known why a google turns up this being praised for its acting, but holy crap the screaming and crying was woefully overacted. I don't for a second buy into anyones emotions as over the top and not realistic. This family sucked, I don't feel like they ever cared for each other. The father is played up for conflict at one point but hes given such little screentime that the characterization feels forced. If you have a fear of allergic reactions I guess this is supposed to be scary? But it really isn't. The ending is a dumb twist of unfulfillment that sets up this evil you never really care about. The movie doesn't evolve beyond simple horror but it is very apparent it thinks very highly of itself for no reason.


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05/27/22 12:58:30 AM
#172:


Outlier
Tom Nook: 258
red13n: 208
PrinceKaro: 193
Plasmabeam: 186
Suprak: 186
Inviso: 182
FFDragon: 181
Snake: 181
jcgamer107: 144
fortybelowsummer: 133
BetrayedTangy: 114
rockus: 112
thesmark: 108
Lightning Strikes: 104
Johnbobb: 97

Watch your heads because Nook's still not done dropping huge outlier bombs. The rest is largely business as usual, with a few minor shake-ups, aside from of course red's huge ascent.

Next ranking tomorrow afternoon, maybe a little later than usual, not sure yet.

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thesmark
05/27/22 1:11:28 AM
#173:


I'm really surprised at...honestly 3 of the last four still being around at this point. I liked all of them, I'm just surprised that these are the ones

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TomNook
05/27/22 1:58:44 AM
#174:


I'm impressed that Midsommar actually ranked higher than Hereditary. Nice job!

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Corrik7
05/27/22 2:16:40 AM
#175:


Snake, I have an idea for you.

Top 10 from 90s, 00s, and 10s. All together for a ranking!

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jcgamer107
05/27/22 2:17:43 AM
#176:


TomNook posted...
I'm impressed that Midsommar actually ranked higher than Hereditary. Nice job!
Me too, but in a different way!! Wow!!! I especially can't believe Hereditary got a last place vote.

I'll guess Midsommar next, because the Ari Aster movies are invariably tied to one another, like Dani and the Harga

EDIT - as much as I'll gush about the Midsommar soundtrack, this is one of the best horror moments of the decade:

https://youtu.be/F64YxXDGLOk

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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 2:37:37 AM
#177:


Corrik7 posted...
Snake, I have an idea for you.

Top 10 from 90s, 00s, and 10s. All together for a ranking!

Definitely not a bad one especially with the new group we have here. I bet the order would change quite a bit from the initial results. Not sure when I'd have time to slot something like this in though!

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Leafeon13N
05/27/22 2:54:32 AM
#178:


The family dynamic in Hereditary just never worked for me. Felt like no one had any chemistry and the decisions and grief never felt real enough. Nevermind the husband/father that had pretty much no characterization except in a single conflict that felt extremely forced.

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Lightning Strikes
05/27/22 6:33:19 AM
#179:


Ill say this, I loved Hereditary but there are some issues with it. Specifically I think that when viewed literally rather than metaphorically, the whole cult conspiracy is REALLY goofy. It didnt detract too much because like I said, it works as a metaphor for the inescapability of hereditary (ha!) trauma, but if you think about it in a real world context their plan makes no sense. This is most obvious with the whole doormat thing. It also has some issues regarding exposition which I cover in my writeup. It just goes to show how strong everything else is that this film still really works.

On the other hand Midsommar lacks these issues and is a more traditionally constructed film mechanically so even though it is a mild surprise that it outranked Hereditary, its not a massive shocker either. You also feel less awful after watching Midsommar which is impressive given the content of Midsommar.

Also if anybody can explain the choice of end credits song for Hereditary Id appreciate it.

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Inviso
05/27/22 7:13:28 AM
#180:


Finally got some big points for picking Hereditary! Granted, that was still the best of my bottom 3 (and the only one I derived any real enjoyment out of), but hey, I'll take a positive when I can get one.

Next up, gonna predict Midsommar.

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BetrayedTangy
05/27/22 7:30:44 AM
#181:


Leafeon13N posted...
The family dynamic in Hereditary just never worked for me. Felt like no one had any chemistry and the decisions and grief never felt real enough. Nevermind the husband/father that had pretty much no characterization except in a single conflict that felt extremely forced.

Without being able to buy into the family as a unit nothing feels particularly horrifying or interesting.

I read somewhere that in one of the early drafts, the father was actually Annie's psychiatrist and it turned into something romantic. I can see why it got cut, but I like that they carried some aspects of it over and it's reflected in his personality. Plus his noncombatative personality adds even further to dysfunctional family dynamic. The conflict is only getting worse, but never does he actually do anything to approach Annie.

In regards to the overracting I think that was intentional. Peter and Annie are both repressing their guilt. So when Annie gets called out for blaming only Peter her meltdown feels genuinely realistic and ends up being one of the scariest moments in the entire movie. Or when they try channeling Charlie, Peter is again being reminded of what happened and now he has to hear his dead sisters voice coming from his mom. I'd honestly be ugly crying too.

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v_charon
05/27/22 8:15:40 AM
#182:


An expected, if incorrect, result.

Hereditary would be my easy #1 on this list, and is in contention for my favorite horror film of all time with other decade contenders like Scream and The Ring. It's the film that keeps sending me to movies like Midsommar and Men, hoping that I'll find the next Hereditary. None of the films have even been close (in fact I've strongly disliked all films such as those).

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Espeon
05/27/22 8:24:48 AM
#183:


This is not in response to you, Charon, but the post is coming right after yours, so I just want to clarify that this isnt some rebuke of what you just said, but rather an addendum to my write-up.

I do not think there is any other film on this list that is carried as hard as Hereditary is by a single actor. Toni Collette salvaged what should very much be a bottom tier film on my list, putting it up into the somewhat watchable tier.

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FFDragon
05/27/22 8:35:30 AM
#184:


To me both Hereditary and Midsommor are basically the same movie in that they are on the cusp of greatness but never quite find it. I'm actually really surprised Hereditary dropped first though, I thought general opinion had them flipped.

Still enjoyable though.

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Suprak the Stud
05/27/22 10:17:57 AM
#185:


Midsommar has to be next. Almost all of the outstanding low scores are from the "boo art" camp and I can't imagine anything other than Busan or Get Out scoring high from them.

Surprised Hereditary dropped first but I also love Midsommar so I can't really complain. Top five is way better than I thought either of those would get, especially Midsommar which I thought we'd get a ton of complaining about. I haven't done one of these before but I anticipated like half the people would be against "elevated horror" or whatever you want to call it so I thought both of these would be really divisive.

Jcgamer107 - Ari Asters first feature film is a little more traditional horror than Midsommar, but also contains some really raw and intense family drama. Charlies death is one of the most shocking I have ever seen in cinema - I went into the movie assuming (like most) that this was more or less a creepy kid movie and that the girl would last most of the movie as the main antagonist. Well we were all kinda half-right, but holy lord I certainly did not expect her head to be taken clean off before the halfway point.

Very rarely do movies shock me any more, but I literally sat there jaw agape when that scene happened. I assumed exactly the same thing you did. The first thirty minutes or so I was like "oh ok this is pretty good" but I thought it was just going to be Charlie acting weird and being spooky or whatever so I was like half into it. Then that scene happened and I was legitimately shocked. Like genuinely did not see that coming and had absolutely no clue where the movie was going to go from there. I might agree with your assessment that it was the most shocked I had been in a movie.

The aftermath is also incredible and Toni Collette was fucking robbed of an Oscar nom. The scene of the son being so shocked he just drives back and then her discovering it the next day is just so insanely good. Honestly, everything from that point onward is just A+ stuff, although I do agree some of the cult stuff is a little messy (if they can literally plan out the exact pole she was decapitated on, how did they not do a better job with whatever the ceremony was thirty years ago where Toni Collette's brother committed suicide because they were trying to put people inside of him?). The back third of the movie is one of the most frightening portions of any movie on the list, and all that family drama in the middle third is so good I forgot I was even watching a horror movie for a while.

Hereditary is an all timer for me. So is basically everything else left here, honestly, but Hereditary was a clear number one for me and as much as I also loved The VVItch, this was just a step above.

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plasmabeam
05/27/22 10:31:53 AM
#186:


TomNook posted...
I'm impressed that Midsommar actually ranked higher than Hereditary. Nice job!

Lightning Strikes posted...
On the other hand Midsommar lacks these issues and is a more traditionally constructed film mechanically so even though it is a mild surprise that it outranked Hereditary, its not a massive shocker either.

FFDragon posted...
I'm actually really surprised Hereditary dropped first though, I thought general opinion had them flipped.

Yeah, when I did the Vegas odds, I thought Hereditary was a lock to outlast Midsommar. Turns out I was wrong and Inviso called the big upset.

I also thought Get Out was a lock to outlast Us (correct), The Lighthouse was likely to outlast The VVitch (wrong), and Cabin would outlast Tucker/Dale (wrong again).

Very impressed with the way these rankings played out. Truly unpredictable in most cases. Halloween and IT dropped way lower than expected as well.

Espeon posted...
I do not think there is any other film on this list that is carried as hard as Hereditary is by a single actor. Toni Collette salvaged what should very much be a bottom tier film on my list, putting it up into the somewhat watchable tier.

Happy Death Day is nothing without Jessica Rothe's performance.

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plasmabeam
05/27/22 10:33:39 AM
#187:


Suprak: "This will be my shortest write up."
Also Suprark: "This is one of my longest write ups."

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Suprak the Stud
05/27/22 10:41:31 AM
#188:


Wait until Midsommar drops.

plasmabeam posted...
Yeah, when I did the Vegas odds, I thought Hereditary was a lock to outlast Midsommar. Turns out I was wrong and Inviso called the big upset.

I also thought Get Out was a lock to outlast Us (correct), The Lighthouse was likely to outlast The VVitch (wrong), and Cabin would outlast Tucker/Dale (wrong again).

Very impressed with the way these rankings played out. Truly unpredictable in most cases. Halloween and IT dropped way lower than expected as well.

Happy Death Day is nothing without Jessica Rothe's performance.

Happy Death Day with Jessica Rothe, Ready or Not with Samara Weaving, Split with James McAvoy, VVitch with ATJ.

Collette outclasses them all imo but there are a lot of performances on this list where I was like damn theyre really carrying this movie on their back. Dunno if any of those could be replaced and the movie be nearly as good.

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Suprak the Stud
05/27/22 10:43:05 AM
#189:


Put Dafoe and The Lighthouse on that list too. I didnt particularly care for it but theres no way that movie comes close to remotely working if not for him.

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plasmabeam
05/27/22 10:47:43 AM
#190:


Hereditary gets beheaded in stunning fashion and Inviso pulls within $400 of 1st place!

Vegas Odds on #4:
+400: Midsommar (2019)
+500: It Follows (2014)
+500: Train to Busan (2016)
+2500: Get Out (2017)

Leaderboard:
jcgamer107 $5150 (Halloween 2000, Sinister 200, You're Next 700, A Quiet Place 1500, The VVitch 750)
Inviso/Espeon/Blaziken $4750 (Creep 250, Don't Breathe 2000, Happy Death Day 500, Hereditary 2000)
wallmasterz $3500 (Don't Breathe 2000, A Quiet Place 1500)
BetrayedTangy $3250 (Insidious 300, Sinister 200, Don't Breathe 2000, Split 750)
Suprak $2750 (Don't Breathe 2000, The VVitch 750)
Corrik $1450 (You're Next 700, Tucker & Dale 750)
JohnBobb $750 (The VVitch 750)
rockus $500 (Happy Death Day 500)
Lightning $500 (Happy Death Day 500)

Current Wagers as of 5/27/22 at 10:45 am:
jcgamer - Midsommar
Inviso - Midsommar
Suprak - Midsommar

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Espeon
05/27/22 10:56:58 AM
#191:


I liked all of those other movies beyond just the lead actor. Ready or Not, Happy Death Day, and Split are all unique concepts that didnt necessarily need to be carried by a strong lead. And VVitch was very much a fantastic ensemble performance beyond ATJ. With Hereditary, this is a very standard Satanic cult horror movie on paper, but its Toni Collettes raw acting in her role that sells the movie better than it does on its own merits.

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plasmabeam
05/27/22 10:58:10 AM
#192:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Happy Death Day with Jessica Rothe, Ready or Not with Samara Weaving, Split with James McAvoy, VVitch with ATJ.

Collette outclasses them all imo but there are a lot of performances on this list where I was like damn theyre really carrying this movie on their back. Dunno if any of those could be replaced and the movie be nearly as good.

Suprak the Stud posted...
Put Dafoe and The Lighthouse on that list too. I didnt particularly care for it but theres no way that movie comes close to remotely working if not for him.

Don't forget David Howard Thornton. Terrifier only shines because of him.

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Suprak the Stud
05/27/22 11:04:41 AM
#193:


How dare you sir.

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BetrayedTangy
05/27/22 11:06:40 AM
#194:


I'd throw in Bill Skarsgard and mayyyybe Mark Duplass as well.

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plasmabeam
05/27/22 11:13:09 AM
#195:


BetrayedTangy posted...
I'd throw in Bill Skarsgard and mayyyybe Mark Duplass as well.

Mark Duplass definitely. Creep doesn't make this list without him.

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Bane_Of_Despair
05/27/22 11:15:44 AM
#196:


Yea I started following this topic a little while ago seeing how high Hereditary/Midsommar would go, as they are both fantastic movies with Hereditary being my #1 and one of my favorite movies of all time, not just horror. Kind of a shame to see it get some low scores from people, although it's funny to say that a movie only getting top 5 is disappointing but...it kind of is to me lol

I could write a bit more about Hereditary later, but what I will say now for one of the things that throws people off on it i.e. the ending with the cult and thinking it gets goofy. To me it taps right into Lynchian surrealism that works wonderfully to convey how extraordinarily fucked it is. It's so wildly off that it's almost numbing when you get to it after having watched the rest of the movie, which I love. It almost made me feel as detached as a character put in that situation, and just watching the terror spectacle unfold.

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plasmabeam
05/27/22 11:22:08 AM
#197:


Bane_Of_Despair posted...
I could write a bit more about Hereditary later, but what I will say now for one of the things that throws people off on it i.e. the ending with the cult and thinking it gets goofy. To me it taps right into Lynchian surrealism that works wonderfully to convey how extraordinarily fucked it is. It's so wildly off that it's almost numbing when you get to it after having watched the rest of the movie, which I love. It almost made me feel as detached as a character put in that situation, and just watching the terror spectacle unfold.

I loved the ending for the reasons you mentioned. A bizarre ending fits when you consider the emotional extremes that the mother goes through.

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Suprak the Stud
05/27/22 12:24:54 PM
#198:


Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Yea I started following this topic a little while ago seeing how high Hereditary/Midsommar would go, as they are both fantastic movies with Hereditary being my #1 and one of my favorite movies of all time, not just horror. Kind of a shame to see it get some low scores from people, although it's funny to say that a movie only getting top 5 is disappointing but...it kind of is to me lol

I could write a bit more about Hereditary later, but what I will say now for one of the things that throws people off on it i.e. the ending with the cult and thinking it gets goofy. To me it taps right into Lynchian surrealism that works wonderfully to convey how extraordinarily fucked it is. It's so wildly off that it's almost numbing when you get to it after having watched the rest of the movie, which I love. It almost made me feel as detached as a character put in that situation, and just watching the terror spectacle unfold.

Aw man Team Hereditary needed you to submit a list!

Thats a great interpretation. Really interesting perspective that I hadnt considered. And yeah Hereditary specifically has worked its way into one of my favorite films in general, not just horror related.

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Suprak the Stud
05/27/22 12:44:47 PM
#199:


Also Im sure there are other people lined up for other rankings and Snake is busy but I would love a best of the best horror rankings like Corrik suggested at some point. I think thatd be a lot of fun especially since the 2000s ranking I think was like five people total.

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Espeon
05/27/22 12:50:49 PM
#200:


plasmabeam posted...
Mark Duplass definitely. Creep doesn't make this list without him.

this, I can agree with

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