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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 1:12:44 PM
#201:


4. It Follows (142 points)

Why I Chose It: Sexuality & horror have intertwined since the genre's very beginning, but It Follows' unique approach to the subject made it an instant relatable hit. By personifying sexual transmission, It Follows was able to capture multiple generations' worth of coming-of-age anxieties thanks to its timeless period and setting, and it paid off with excellent reviews and again, another horror box-office success story.

Lightning Strikes: 3
Plasmabeam: 3
FFDragon: 4
Johnbobb: 4
PrinceKaro: 5
Snake: 5
thesmark: 7
Tom Nook: 7
BetrayedTangy: 8
rockus: 8
Suprak: 8
jcgamer107: 11
red13n: 17
Inviso: 25
fortybelowsummer: 27

Lightning Strikes - It could look like someone you know or it could be a stranger in a crowd.

This is a true horror classic that uses a very simple but interesting premise, the idea of an enemy that slowly walks towards you and kills you if it catches you, to the maximum effect. Every scene in this film seems like it could be hiding something, that the creature is just out of focus. What seems like just a random person or a character we know could turn out to be a horrifying monster, keeping you constantly on edge. The visual filmmaking on display here is superb. This is a film that is both near-perfectly crafted as a film, and extremely scary throughout.

I also really like how this film uses the sense of ambiguity in time period to weave a sense of timelessness in a unique way. Each character represents a different time period in their visual style and appearance, so you dont know when exactly this is taking place. I also enjoyed the social commentary on relationships and STIs - if only they were still called STDs so we could point out that the creature here literally is an STD, a sexually transmitted demon you could say. There isnt really much more for me to say on this film despite the fact that it is excellent. Just a fantastically executed film that is so good I find little else to discuss.

5/5

Biggest scare: The scene where the creature walks through the doorway in the form of a horrifying tall man is one of the single scariest images Ive seen in any recent film.

Plasmbeam - Top-notch terror and tension. The concept of playing Haunted STD Tag is brilliant, and the ghosts never stop being scary because of how relentless they are. Would probably be my #1 if the final act hadnt stumbled.

FFDragon - I left this movie and tried to get everyone I knew to watch it. It does so much while showing so little.

Johnbobb - I think 2014 marked a very pivotal change for the face of horror to come. Movies like this and the Babadook appeared, using monstrous horror as deep-seeded metaphor for very human issues, while never failing to followthrough on the monstrous horror itself for even a moment. It's the apperance of these movies, which found that unique balance between symbolic drama and horrifying thrill, that really set the stage for the emergence of some of the greatest horror directors we've ever seen in the likes of Ari Aster, Robert Eggers, Jordan Peele, etc. What makes It Follows work so well is simultaneously because its threat is real, while simultaneously being so extraordinarily unreal.

PrinceKaro - A shapshifting ghoul follows people around only to turn their sights on whoever they sleep with. It is basically the personification of STDs into the form of a horror monster.

The rules and nuances of the Follower are laid out early on, and the film always abides by them save for a few inconsistencies in how fast the monster takes to get from one place to another. One thing of note is how the film mostly forgoes jumpscares in favor of the grim inevitability of the Follower's slow, relentless advance. Sometimes the audience can even see the ghoul before the characters even notice it.

This is something the doesn't really sound like it would be very good just from the description but it really really is. It takes the tired 'monster kills some kids' scenario and breathes some new life into it.

Snake - Still one of the best ideas of the decade. It Follows is like the best of 70s & 80s films with modern sensibilities - pure dread, an iconic villain, lots of sex, while having sleek performances and an eye for the simple things - setting, soundtrack, wardrobe. It all contributes to this vague anachronistic feel (honestly Im still intrigued by the seashell kindle/phone thing) that contributes to the films off-kilter horror. It Follows carves out its own horror niche with effortlessness timelessness, and its near-universal message of the horrors of unsafe sex, sexual abuse & manipulation, & sexually-transmitted diseases is personified viciously in IT - the scar of trauma, an unnamed feeling, following their victim wherever they go. Yet, its also about the chain of abuse, how victims can often create more victims, either unwittingly or tragically, very purposefully. It Follows messages still haunt and will continue to be relevant for as long as people suck about sex.

Thesmark - One thing I love is that the movie feels strangely out of time, given all the media people are consuming is very old (50s-70s), the retro-suburban feel to the locations and the excellent throwback synth score from Disasterpiece thats a mix between John Carpenter and Tangerine Dream. My guess is that retro-styling is not only evoking the look of old horror movies, but also maybe harkening to a more innocent time which is a running theme through the movie with the characters being nostalgic for an earlier, simpler time when they were kids, which feeds into the whole dangers of young adults having sex/STD metaphor.

I also love the look of David Robert Mitchells films, theyre saturated with color in a world where most studio movies are artificially desaturated; that, and most modern filmmakers think scary movies have to be dark and drab for atmosphere purposes, whereas he runs in the opposite direction to eye-pleasing effect (much like a lot of 70s-80s Italian horror). He also makes several flashier decisions (shot tight which makes sense for reactions/claustrophobia, lots of pans, we get first person shots, etc.), but the color grade is what stands out to me the most.

Tom Nook - The fun of a creative concept and minimalism. Less is more. The movie makes scenes of regular-looking people walking, end up being unsettling. An unstoppable force of death that is slowly moving and can be lurking anywhere. You can keep your eye on it, but never truly live because of the paranoia. This movie can be interpreted as a bunch of things really, which adds to how good it is. Best scene for creepiness was definitely when that tall dude walked through the doorway behind her friend.

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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 1:13:32 PM
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BetrayedTangy - Very rarely does a movie continue to scare me after Im done watching it like It Follows did. I watched it in the middle of the night while lying in bed and it actually got me to lock my bedroom doors. Theres just something about a threat constantly following you that just terrifies the shit out of me. So, uh yeah, the scares were incredibly well done here. Im also a huge fan of the deeper meaning of this movie, its pretty clear that its just an allegory for irresponsible sex. However, they go all in on analyzing every aspect about it. The comparison to STDs is the most obvious example, but I also really like how it attacks the concept of rebound sex. Sure, it takes the pain away for a little bit, but youre also hurting someone else in the process and even then it still comes back to you and wont ever fix your problems. I also thoroughly enjoy Maika Monroes performance of Jay. Her depression continues to worsen as the movie progresses and we see her continuing to make questionable decisions as everything gets more stressful. Before she realizes its time to just settle down with someone she trusts, so they can deal with it better. Even if Carter is a bit too much of a simp. I wanted to put the movie higher up, because I can proudly say its become one of my favorites, but the pool scene pissed me off too much to justify it. Like really? I know the creature is smart enough to break doors and windows and Im even okay with the swimming (although I think it would be much cooler if it just continued walking while underwater too). Once it started throwing stuff to get around the trap though I was done. Like you might as well just have it start setting its own traps at that point.

Ruckus - Speaking of high concept and low budget It Follows might have been the biggest surprise film on this list for me. While Im not the biggest horror fan I tend to lean more towards the elevated prestige horror like The Witch or Hereditary or Us and I also tend to really like allegorical horror films as well, which I suppose is part of why a lot of these prestige horror films work for me (they also tend to look better as well). More than just a supernatural teen slasher It Follows also serves as an allegory on the fears, dangers, and perception of casual sex and STD transmission, and another film that despite its low budget just looks really solid. Plenty of the lower films on this ranking could improve just by looking at how well It Follows lights a lot of its nighttime/in the dark sequences and its refreshing to see a film in the age of low budget digital filmmaking have this much color in it.

Suprak - B+
I feel like there is this weird group of horror elitists that love the smell of their own farts and the farts of horror movie monsters but only if those movie monsters stand for the main characters own insecurities. Ive known of It Follows for a while now, primarily because it always seems to top the list of horror movie snobs that hate fun and cant wait to tell you how mainstream horror is bad. But heres the thing though. It Follows is actually really, really good. I liked this one a lot, and for once all the hype for an indie darling was totally justified. There is a lot to like about It Follows, but I think what I liked most was just how wildly original it was. There are movies on this list that definitely fit into certain categories or follow specific subgenres of horror films, which is something that really made It Follows stand out here because there arent a lot of close comparables.

This is just a well made movie, and I like just about everything about it. The filming is great (that scene where they are rotating around in one spot showing the school hallway and you can see IT walking closer and closer as it swings around is A+). I like the characters and the dialogue and the pacing this is just a well-made movie with a lot of interesting little touches. I like how the era of the film is deliberately left open for interpretation. I like the themes and the music and the cinematography. There was very little about this movie I didnt like, and I was really into this. Most of these movies I watched in two parts just because I was watching these at night after my kids went to bed, but this one I powered all the way through in one sitting just because I wanted to see how it ended. It is a good movie beyond just being a good horror film, and this was one of my favorite new watches of this topic.

There are a lot of genuinely unsettling moments here, and it is crazy how much they can do with a movie monster that is basically slowly walking towards you, and nothing else. Like, the scene with the tall man emerging from the darkness of the hallway? I mean, that is one of the top scares on this list imo. It is just weird and unsettling and menacing and everything you want from an actual scare from a horror film. Even when you know the scare is coming, it works, and something about this unstoppable force of death walking towards you just works. I loved all the times you could see something moving in the background, and you had to debate if it was the monster or just some random misdirection. The tension I the movie is great, and from the scene where Jay wakes up tied up to the chair to the scene where she wakes up in the hospital I was on the edge of my seat.

The only thing that really holds this down from the absolute top tier for me is the second half of the film, which is decidedly less strong than the opening. The entire ending where they try to lure it into a swimming pool and this powerful, monstrous, unknowable entity responds by throwing blenders at her is just weird and it doesnt have the tension that the movie deserves by this point in the film. Paul wildly firing and shooting someone else is borderline comical, and the fact that blindly shooting into a pool and shooting this thing in the head either killed it or wounded it so badly they were able to escape and get on with their lives for what appears to be several weeks (before the ambiguous final shot) was really an underwhelming conclusion to what was otherwise a great film. And it isnt even just the ending, either. It feels like in the second half they dont really exactly know what to do to get the film to an appropriate run time, so you have a lot of padding or Jay sitting around on cars and looking wistfully into the distance.

All that being said though, I still thoroughly enjoyed this. This was one I hadnt seen and then immediately recommended to like four different people. It was one that always popped up on the best horror of the 2010s sort of lists, but for whatever reason I never found time to watch it. And Im really glad I did. Some great filmmaking here, some genuine creepy moments, and an interesting, unique premise really helped elevate this into something truly memorable. I only wish it finished as strong as it started, but Im willing to overlook that a bit because the start of this movie was just so strong. A genuinely great example of indie horror and this one is definitely going to find its way into my rotation of fun horror films I put on around Halloween when Im in the mood for SPOOKINESS.

Jcgamer107 - Really wild concept thats pulled off pretty well. The scene with the old lady at the school stands out as being especially creepy. Runner-up in Detroit horror after Dont Breathe.


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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 1:13:55 PM
#203:


Red13n - This is a take "You are paid X amount of money but a snail chases you forever and if it touches you then you die" question, except in this case all you get is sex and the thing touching you isn't necessarily instant death. I thought this was going to be interesting when they opened up revealing the concept, but the movie really falls off after that. You'd think this could go two ways, showcasing the abilities of the monster on our main character or dealing with the moral implications of having sex to create a chain of murders. The second doesn't really happen much and the first is ruined by poor monster rules. We are told this thing can appear as anybody and walk relentlessly towards its target. But it ends up never really using this subterfuge, it always appears as something incredibly obvious. It never uses the fear of being able to be anybody. The snail ends up not being singlemindedly slow, it interacts with the environment, it throws things, it is capable of injuring people unreleated to its goal. The concept just isn't transferred particularly well, and then the monster just "dies" or doesn't, its ambiguous in the end for no real reason. Cool concept, but just not interesting execution. Oh and I almost left this write-up without mentioning that this movie contains the worst and most telegraphed incident of friendly fire ever.

Inviso - I feel really bad about ranking this as low as I am, and Im probably going to get a lot of outlier points for it, but I just didnt enjoy It Follows. It was really boring. Its a well-made film, and I appreciated the little touches of it in the background here and there, but it just felt so bland across the board. It comes down to characterization, first and foremost. Every character just felt so blandly-written and blas about the plot, except the main character. Shes rightfully terrified, but when you surround her with hapless friends who are in no real danger over the course of the film, it leads to a real lack of tension that you kind of NEED in a horror film. Thats the real problem: its not REALLY a horror filmits more of a film about STDs and safe sex without being preachy about it. Its just really plodding, and most of the characters feel vapid and dull, and it doesnt make for a fun viewing experience in my opinion.

Fortybelowsummer - Sexually transmitted evil spirit! I have to be honest, there a few movies here that I have watched but dont remember a lot of. In most cases I rewatched for this project if that were the case but with this one, I didnt get a chance. I feel pretty good about its placement based on overall lingering impression, but I do think I would appreciate it more these days as my tastes have changed. Anyway, a lot of the it monster taking human shape and walking slowly towards the main character occurs. Unsettling at times, yes, but mostly just boring. It starts really good, with a girl running from the invisible entity and getting mangled on the beach, but after that its a lot of expressionless blonde chick running away. The end with a swimming pool and a bunch of appliances was dumb. It Follows? More like It Sucks am I right? Had to get that in there. Again, I think if I rewatched this I would pick up some of the thematic nuances or something but for now Ill leave it here.

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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 1:17:31 PM
#205:


Didn't need to delete, I was done!

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plasmabeam
05/27/22 1:18:57 PM
#206:


But the outliers!

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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 1:24:32 PM
#207:


Hardly the first time it missed coming after!

But speaking of:

Outlier
Tom Nook: 261
red13n: 221
Inviso: 203
PrinceKaro: 194
Suprak: 190
Plasmabeam: 187
Snake: 182
FFDragon: 181
fortybelowsummer: 156
jcgamer107: 151
BetrayedTangy: 118
rockus: 116
thesmark: 111
Lightning Strikes: 105
Johnbobb: 97

red and Vis slowly but surely following Tom with some more huge gains here.

Next film tonight.

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thesmark
05/27/22 1:33:20 PM
#208:


I did not expect Train to Busan in the top 3 (or Midsommar for that matter)

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Corrik7
05/27/22 1:41:56 PM
#209:


thesmark posted...
I did not expect Train to Busan in the top 3 (or Midsommar for that matter)
Neither is a top 3 film. That's for sure.

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Johnbobb
05/27/22 1:49:18 PM
#210:


Vis why do you continue to hurt me

Not that I'm really complaining though since this was the exact spot I had It Follows

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Johnbobb
05/27/22 1:49:53 PM
#211:


I will say though I'm worry I'll soon see my lowest outlier spot stolen

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plasmabeam
05/27/22 1:59:31 PM
#212:


Everybody bet Midsommar when they should've been looking over their shoulder at It Follows. The house wins again, baby!

Vegas Odds on #3:
+400: Midsommar (2019)
+500: Train to Busan (2016)
+2500: Get Out (2017)

Leaderboard:
jcgamer107 $5150 (Halloween 2000, Sinister 200, You're Next 700, A Quiet Place 1500, The VVitch 750)
Inviso/Espeon/Blaziken $4750 (Creep 250, Don't Breathe 2000, Happy Death Day 500, Hereditary 2000)
wallmasterz $3500 (Don't Breathe 2000, A Quiet Place 1500)
BetrayedTangy $3250 (Insidious 300, Sinister 200, Don't Breathe 2000, Split 750)
Suprak $2750 (Don't Breathe 2000, The VVitch 750)
Corrik $1450 (You're Next 700, Tucker & Dale 750)
JohnBobb $750 (The VVitch 750)
rockus $500 (Happy Death Day 500)
Lightning $500 (Happy Death Day 500)

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Espeon
05/27/22 2:05:47 PM
#213:


Wow, I thought for SURE It Follows was our runner-up.

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plasmabeam
05/27/22 2:08:18 PM
#214:


Espeon posted...
Wow, I thought for SURE It Follows was our runner-up.

At the very least, I thought it would outlast Midsommar.

I'm still holding out hope that by some miracle Busan beats Get Out.

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Corrik7
05/27/22 2:09:13 PM
#215:


Busan is next, bud. Bank on it. Gimme my money.

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Espeon
05/27/22 2:10:54 PM
#216:


Predicting Midsommar, because it cant be THAT much higher if we just lost Hereditary and It follows.

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Bane_Of_Despair
05/27/22 2:13:59 PM
#217:


I enjoyed It Follows but it beating out Hereditary is....interesting to see. The others I can understand beating Hereditary even if I don't agree

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plasmabeam
05/27/22 2:17:47 PM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
I enjoyed It Follows but it beating out Hereditary is....interesting to see. The others I can understand beating Hereditary even if I don't agree

Hereditary was more polarizing. Simple as that.

And it only lost to It Follows by 11 points. If a couple people shuffled their rankings at the last second, the outcome could've changed.

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FFDragon
05/27/22 2:35:41 PM
#219:


It Follows is amazing and I'm happy to see it get credit.

2, 9, 12 left.

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Espeon
05/27/22 2:36:51 PM
#220:


1, 2, 22 remain. Very much feast or famine, and Im really hoping for my top two to hold on just one more round.

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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 2:38:22 PM
#221:


1, 2, 9

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thesmark
05/27/22 2:41:41 PM
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5, 9 and 11

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Leafeon13N
05/27/22 3:00:19 PM
#223:


I definitely had It Follows ranked lower at points.

The monster essentially sucking at its job really kills a lot of the fun of it. The concept loses a lot of power when the monster is so easily stopped.
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red13n
05/27/22 3:02:37 PM
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1, 5, 24

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Corrik7
05/27/22 3:18:51 PM
#225:


Just finished v/h/s and not what I was expecting. Trash movie.

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plasmabeam
05/27/22 3:24:23 PM
#226:


5, 8, 14

Leafeon13N posted...
I definitely had It Follows ranked lower at points.

The monster essentially sucking at its job really kills a lot of the fun of it. The concept loses a lot of power when the monster is so easily stopped.

I had It Follows as my #3, and I still agree with you. All three people who ranked it low had valid complaints.

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BetrayedTangy
05/27/22 3:30:42 PM
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3, 16, 18

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Suprak the Stud
05/27/22 4:06:19 PM
#228:


Holy shit a Midsommar top three? Really pleasantly surprised by that. I know Busan is having a bit of a miracle run here, but I feel like that applies to Midsommar as well. I thought for sure that would be one of the biggest targets of people that don't like "elevated horror". I was shocked it broke top ten, then five, and now three.

I do not see any way it finishes over the other two because it has to be all the remaining low scores, but this was a crazy good run (put my money on Midsommar, again) for what feels like one of the "artsier" movies to me. I really liked that but I thought a lot of people wouldn't.

Any way, I loved It Follows. Another one I thought was truly great but I also agree with everyone that had complaints about the endings. The first two thirds or so of the movie are fantastic, but I feel like they didn't know how to end it. You have this mysterious powerful ominous force and then at the end they're throwing blenders at it like something out of a parody. It legitimately would've been a top three movie for me if not for those final 20 minutes or so.

In my REVISED rankings, both Midsommar and Get Out would finish two higher with Busan staying where its at. Doesn't affect anything based on these final point totals but as I've mulled things over more I think that's what my final rankings would be. Maybe. Until I change them again next week.

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jcgamer107
05/27/22 4:19:11 PM
#229:


1, 5, 13

Lightning Strikes posted...
Also if anybody can explain the choice of end credits song for Hereditary Id appreciate it.
I'm not sure I can explain it, but I love it. Almost seems to lead into Midsommar. I imagine it could be a weird joke, hinting at how you can look at the story as either horrific, or happy, depending on whose perspective you take.

Corrik7 posted...
Snake, I have an idea for you.

Top 10 from 90s, 00s, and 10s. All together for a ranking!
I saw The Ring barely made the 2000s top 10, so I'm in!

Suprak the Stud posted...
Holy s*** a Midsommar top three? Really pleasantly surprised by that. I know Busan is having a bit of a miracle run here, but I feel like that applies to Midsommar as well. I thought for sure that would be one of the biggest targets of people that don't like "elevated horror". I was shocked it broke top ten, then five, and now three.

I do not see any way it finishes over the other two because it has to be all the remaining low scores, but this was a crazy good run (put my money on Midsommar, again) for what feels like one of the "artsier" movies to me. I really liked that but I thought a lot of people wouldn't.
This is pretty much how I feel, I am very delighted. I will also guess Midsommar next again because of the reason you mentioned.

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plasmabeam
05/27/22 4:29:10 PM
#230:


Snake5555555555 posted...
Suprak - B+
I feel like there is this weird group of horror elitists that love the smell of their own farts and the farts of horror movie monsters but only if those movie monsters stand for the main characters own insecurities.

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v_charon
05/27/22 6:29:13 PM
#231:


I'm a little surprised at the number of people surprised Midsommar is still in contention. It would have easily been what I'd have picked to win, especially if I wasn't participating myself.

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TomNook
05/27/22 6:40:00 PM
#232:


v_charon posted...
I'm a little surprised at the number of people surprised Midsommar is still in contention. It would have easily been what I'd have picked to win, especially if I wasn't participating myself.
I'm more surprised that Midsommar outlasted Hereditary than anything.

Both are obviously well received movies, but I feel like Midsommar has more going against it with a group like this.

Midsommar is always being compared to Wicker Man (1974), has a predictable destination to the journey, sometimes gets complaints of being overly long, and has a protagonist that annoys some people.

Meanwhile, Hereditary often gets the benefit of being a "baby's first art horror", sort like how Spirited Away gets that benefit with anime films.

It just feels weighted to expect Hereditary would outlast Midsommar. I mean, I'm happy it didn't!

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wallmasterz
05/27/22 7:45:21 PM
#233:


Guessing get out again

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Lightning Strikes
05/27/22 9:24:22 PM
#234:


Still thinking Midsommar.

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Bane_Of_Despair
05/27/22 9:36:07 PM
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TomNook posted...
Hereditary often gets the benefit of being a "baby's first art horror", sort like how Spirited Away gets that benefit with anime films.
What an absolutely abysmal take on multiple fronts

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05/27/22 9:36:10 PM
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3. Midsommar (140 points)

Why I Chose It: Ari Aster's Hereditary was no doubt a hard film to follow-up, but his effortless Midsommar captured a whole different vibe - supernatural psycho-drama traded for sunny folk romantic-tragedy. While arguably less accessible than Hereditary, Midsommar nonetheless proved profitable, sparking a whole new generational obsession with folk horror films of the past that Midsommar was inspired by, and was one of the breakthrough films of actress Florence Pugh, who now stars in the MCU as Yelena Belova.

fortybelowsummer: 1
jcgamer107: 1
Snake: 1
Johnbobb: 3
Lightning Strikes: 6
Tom Nook: 6
Suprak: 7
Plasmabeam: 8
PrinceKaro: 11
rockus: 11
thesmark: 11
FFDragon: 12
BetrayedTangy: 16
Inviso: 22
red13n: 24

Fortybelowsummer - This one just smacks you in the face right off the bat with a powerfully emotional scene that sets you on edge. Then its one slow-burn-turns-into-a-jaw-dropping moment after another. Most scary movies rely, naturally, on the unknown of darkness, but Midsommar manages to be absolutely, uniquely terrifying in broad daylight. In many ways what happens to these characters is the worst thing you can imagine. If you walk into that idyllic Swedish enclave, it aint gonna be a good time for you. Florence Pughs performance is the best one out of all of them on the list. OK, I know I said that about Dafoe so they can be co-best actors. Both amazing. Midsommar comes in at the top of my list, number one amongst a group of great movies.

Jcgamer107 - Quite possibly the greatest movie I have ever seen. Not only is Ari Aster a visual genius, hes one when it comes to human behavior as well. There are so many little moments that perfectly capture the banality or stupidity of modern relationships, the movies actually funnier than most people give it credit for. The whole thing plays out like a dark millennial fairy tale, or the origins of a new religion, with the cults actions serving as the manifestation of Danis will, as Ari puts it.

Of course we get the general idea of what will happen when a group of Americans goes to visit a commune in Europe - whats interesting here is the very raw and realistic way we see Dani and Christians relationship fall apart, and the various metaphors within the cult which reflect this (e.g. during Attestupan the woman goes head-first and gets it over with, the man drags things out).

The opening left my jaw on the floor, and me wondering what could possibly be in-store next. I cant say enough about the ending: bombastic, operatic, biblical - just staggering in emotional impact and a total spectacle. Its the biggest possible exclamation point you could use to cap off an already brutal and turbulent journey. The section of score playing there is one of the most beautiful pieces of music Ive ever heard. Really the entire soundtrack is 10/10, and reflects the nature of the story: It is horrible and it is beautiful.

Snake - This isnt just one of the best horror movies of the decade, its one of the best horror movies Ive ever seen period. No hyperbole here. Aster had some solid ideas in Hereditary, but here in his folk horror magnum opus Midsommar, he really comes into his own in all aspects of horror and really just filmmaking in general. Folk horror has always been one of my favorite sub-genres, from Haxan, to The Wicker Man, to Kill List, and I think its because theyre so excellent at portraying this believable supernaturality through the mundane. Aster has a clear reverence for the genre himself, because he understands this perfectly. Though his transformation of the supernatural haunted house genre in Hereditary to something a little more artful didnt always gel well with me, in Midsommar - its a flawless idea. Were all familiar with the American horror tourist film - these loud-mouth, rambunctious, uncultured outsiders from the States get their just desserts after offending the locals. Slowly but surely Aster works his magic on the audience however, using the traditional template to inch us further and further into an assimilated nightmare.

Thats because it was faulty at the start; at the beginning, Aster tricks us, leading us out of the seemingly dangerous forest into the relative comfort of suburbia - except, a young woman and her parents lie dead in a murder-suicide. This leaves the womans remaining sister, Dani Ardor, the sole survivor, and the anxiety-riddled Dani an inconsolable wreck. This whole beginning sequence could be a short film on its own - filled with set-ups and pay-offs contained in its mini-narrative and yet later you realize just how experty Aster spoiled his own film in the first 10. This sequence has another benefit - shot in oppressive darkness, switching to the ever-bright Halsingland is a disarming change of pace. You think to yourself - okay fun road trip vibes, nothing scary happens in the daytime, this wont be so bad. And, as the film marches on, this sunlight keeps shining ever so menacingly, and as Danis mental state becomes more and more panicked and uncertain, this cheery sunlight clashes wildly with just how out of control the whole trip has become. Simple concepts like time and sleep become strange unknowns, breaking reality just as Dani and Christian, her aloof and distant boyfriend, become broken as partners and lovers over the course of the film - two parallels running side by side, complimenting each other until the cults machinations and their relationship inevitably collides once more, ending in this sort of cathartic ending for Dani part tragedy, part relief - her intense frown turning into smiling visage as Christian burns in a ritual sacrifice. Its an expression of confusion and questions raised - is Dani in shock? Is she genuinely part of the cult now? These questions are offered no answer, and thats for the best. The best horror always leaves you wanting more.

Midsommars broken reality is really just one way you can interpret the film - I also think its fun to interpret the film as a simple folky retelling of a slasher, the way the main characters are picked off one by one in increasingly brutal ways. Hell, or maybe its all a drug-induced hallucination from when Dani and the crew first arrive. Whatever your poison, I think Midsommar is an absolute treat - I can bathe in this atmosphere all day, the brief moments of pure shock never stop hitting hard, every performance is absolutely crazy amazing, and noticing new details each time that foreshadow this or that really show well thought out this film was, and its why I think Midsommar will only continue to move up my list of favorites as the years go on and Ill look forward to taking the journey time and time again.


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05/27/22 9:37:36 PM
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Johnbobb - I've bounced around on this film a lot. I know I have it super high on my list, but that's absolutely not a suggestion that this film is without flaws. In fact, it's got some pretty significant ones, by far the BIGGEST flaw in my opinion being the way it uses a disfigured character as nothing more than a weird, uncomfortable crutch who holds no real purpose in the film other than to essentially be the "look how ugly he is, isn't that scary?!??!" character. It's both harmful and weirdly out of place in a film where the horror is, in all other aspects, entirely focused around cult mentality, societal deviance and mental disorder, all things that are presented through speech and actions rather than what appears to be intended gross-out horror. The REST of the film though, goddamn, I mean the cinematography and camerawork here alone are probably heads above anything else on this list. Performances are insane (Florence Pugh not getting an Oscar nomination for this is yet another refusal of the Academy to recognize the genre), soundtrack is insane, and it manages to do maintain that sense of dread through the entire movie despite being set entirely in bright, daytime settings.

Lightning Strikes - It cant be 9pm! The sky is blue!

Ari Aster strikes again, with a film that is simultaneously less of a horror film than Hereditary and also more conventional. Despite that, I think that Middommar manages to be the better of the two, not least because Florence Pughs role from the performance to her character development is one of the most remarkable horror leads of all time. You sense her grief, her growing frustration with her boyfriend, her slowly building a link to the people there, her extended pain and then finally her mix of anguish and relief as she lets go and finds a new future.

What fascinates me about this movie is the oft-repeated story about Aster using the techniques of cults to brainwash the audience. You cant help but feel that its not so bad, that shes happy, that the cult has a point with their logic. Ot almost seems like a happy story. Then you get a bit of distance and realise that its a very messed up situation and a deeply sad ending.

Of course the actual mechanics of this as a horror movie work brilliantly too. Theres some truly maniacal imagery, its a much gorier film than the directors previous, and the daytime setting lets you see all of this in bright daylight and truly beautiful colour. And while it is very reminiscent of The Wicker Man (the good 70s one) the finale is spectacular, it is both apocalyptic in its tone and strangely hopeful, quite symbolic of the ceremony the cultists perform themselves. For all the strangeness and brutality there is also beauty.

5/5

Biggest scare: The horrendously grim opening, in particular the reveal of the sister herself.

Tom Nook - The folk horror sub-genre often plays around with the concept of sacrifice, which pretty much leads you to predicting how the movie is going to end, right from the start. And while this movie absolutely goes the direction everyone knows it was going to, what matters is the journey and not the destination. What this movie succeeds best at is the tone. The tone is everything for this. I've seen tons of movies that are gorier, more shocking, meaner, etc, even films that use real life actual death and gore. But this movie finds a way with its tone to make these bursts of gore to be something truly nasty. It's hard to really put it into words why. It's just something about the folk aspect of making this harmony and nature become death and decay, yet seen their the eyes of most characters in the film perceiving it as beauty, aside from the protagonists, where it comes off as horrifying. And the gore is so well done too; you can tell they studied actual deaths for those effects. I know plenty of people who hated this movie, due to the main protagonist's mental transformation and choice by the end, but I also see that as another layer to the horror. There is just something about this movie that feels dirty by the time it's over, and that is the sign of a good horror film to me!

Suprak - A-
I know Im going to just need to stop myself at some point, because I feel like this is something I could ramble on about forever if I wanted to. What a weird, strange, great, but also sometimes not great, confusing, bizarre, wondering, beautiful, haunting, strange, strange, strange film. There are a couple of movies on this list that I feel like Im going to forget about by this time next month but this isnt one of them. This is going to be kicking around in my brain for quite some time. This was a brand new watch for me, and I happened to watch it by myself at like 11 at night during one of the nights of my work trip. And I wish I hadnt because this was something I needed to have seen with someone else so I could start talking about it right away.

This is Ari Asters second film on the list, and what I think is his second film after Hereditary. And I do think I was better prepared for this one after seeing Hereditary, and I mean that both in a good and bad way. This feels very strangely similar to Hereditary, and you have a woman dealing with grief that happens to get sucked into the plans of a cult and her and the group of friends/family around her are caught up in this ride that seems impossible to escape from and then a lot of people die in brutal ways and theres a scene where you go holy shit what the fuck and then it ends. Not that I necessarily hated the idea here, because I dont, but when I got to the point where they reach the compound and I went huh another cult film? I was a little disappointed because I had already seen Ari Aster do a cult film.

It is also strange that in a movie that involves a man being sewn up into a bear suit and set on fire with the half human/half puppet amalgamations of his dead friends that one of the first words that came to mind was predictable. This was a movie whos ending I had figured out as soon as they got to the compound. And it didnt necessarily make it less scary or interesting, but I was surprised there wasnt anything else to it. Like to go back to Hereditary, I thought I knew where that was going and then the daughter with the weird face has her entire face removed from her body and sat there with my jaw on the floor. Midsommar doesnt really have any sort of equivalent. You go to a cult compound, and then they do weird cult-y things, and then characters die off mostly offscreen, and then it ends with someone being sacrificed to appease whatever gods it is that they prey to. Thats exactly what I thought was going to happen and, I dunno, I guess I was surprised that I wasnt surprised.

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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 9:38:20 PM
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So much of the movie is spelled out for you, either by just doing whats expected or by literally showing you whats going to happen on one of the many drawing these people make. They never stop drawing, apparently and they were nice enough to draw out all the major plot points of the film. Hey lets check out this huge canvas detailing how to put your pubes in food and bewitch a man and then we see that exact same thing happen thirty minutes later. It is pretty obvious what is happening here from the start, which is why it is weird we have multiple characters killed offscreen in a horror movie. We know whats going on, so you arent tricking us. Even when we do see bad things happen, I dont always think it follows up as much as it should. One of the creepiest parts of the movie is where the asshole friend has something done to him where his face looks all weird and it looks like maybe hes screaming for help but stuck in his own body or something. I wanted follow up on that. I wanted more on what was going on or what suffering he was going through or something, but then by the end of the movie hes just dead and killed offscreen at some later time. Even with a lot of the movie spelled out, it still does a lot of the things it sets out to do and I guess I wasnt quite sure what was going to happen to Florence Pugh. Like, she could theoretically join the cult, escape the cult, or get sacrificed by the cult. But based on what was happening and the sort of growth she was experiencing, it felt pretty clear she would wind up joining the cult and thats what winds up happening.

Also, I guess I was disappointed how straight forward of a cult movie this was. Right away I got Wicker Man vibes and but I thought maybe something else was going on. My theory was not so much that these people were being sacrificed, but just that they were breaking these unforgivable rules of their community and thats why they were being killed. The kid from Were the Millers pees on the ancestral tree and the guy doing his thesis takes pictures of the book and the other couple who no one cares about screams and interrupts the ceremony of the two old people jumping off a cliff, and each one of them only dies after interrupting or disturbing something that was important to them culturally or spiritually. So it wasnt so much that this was another boring sacrificial lamb story line, but just that this was a community that took the community so seriously it was willing to murder to protect it. And I thought that was more interesting, at least to me. But then we get to the end and Florence Pugh is wearing all of the flowers that were ever grown in this valley, all at once, and the leader guy spouts off about the sacrifice they need to make and I was just like oh. Like it was that obvious. It was Wicker Man, basically. It didnt have to be what I spelled out above, but I just kind of wish there was something else to this. Something not so predictable and obvious, particularly coming from the guy who also did Hereditary.

Then there are things here that seem to be weird just for the sake of being weird, or that dont feel fully fleshed out and developed. Like the oracle character? Were they just put in because they looked weird and the director thought it would be a good visual creep out? Theyre introduced so we can get the zoom in on their face and then they disappear and then theyre coloring at the end and thats basically it. To a certain extent, weird for the sake of weird in a movie like this kind of makes sense so Im not going to harp on it too much, but I also feel like some of this couldve been pretty easily cut. And then, even with as long as this movie is, I didnt think we got the depth of characterization we shouldve here. Florence Pugh is really good and the asshole selfish boyfriend feels quite realistic for a selfish asshole boyfriend, but a lot of the cast beyond that feels sort of one note. The one asshole friend seems to be in this movie to do asshole stuff and walk around confused. The guy writing his thesis asks about his thesis a lot. Weird Swedes do weird Swede stuff. The other couple is just there, barely. Im not sure I got a great sense of their character other than this very superficial stuff.

Midsommar also joins a couple of other films on this list that seems to sacrifice story because they are hyper focused on the message or allegory of the film. No one tried to run? Outside of the couple? No one in the main friend group tried to get the hell out of there? Literally all of them hear the girl from the couple scream and then she disappears and when the weird Swedish people are like oh she uh said she was sorry for the misunderstanding and left no one blinks an eye or goes RUN FROM THE CRAZY SWEDES RUN RUN RUN? And I fully understand the symbolism of what is happening to Florence Pugh at the end and why the movie choses the boyfriend to die based on what the underlying themes here are, but maybe it isnt fair for him to get burned alive for cheating on you when he was hypnotized by sauteed pubes. It gets strange to the point that you kind of have to stop questioning it sometimes if you want to actually enjoy the film, which I dont necessarily mind doing some times. I was still mostly into the story, even with this going on, so it wasnt as if things were ruined for me entirely.

I feel like Ive been complaining non-stop and theres a couple of pages of me whining up above. But at the same time I think this is almost legitimately great. Theres something really good about the way this was filmed and Ari Aster does such an amazing job filming every single scene in his films that it becomes impossible to look away from. I think this was the longest movie on the list, but it doesnt feel like it at all. Two and a half hours flew by and even though I found it predictable and even if it feels like it does too much with some things and too little with others and even though the ending was not exactly what I was hoping for, I was thoroughly engrossed. I couldnt look away. I didnt want it to end, honestly. I have all these complaints but I absolutely couldve watched another two and a half hours of this story and been 100% on board.

There are so many incredible scenes here that I need to discuss that I am absolutely forcing my wife to watch this right now because I want to see what she thinks. Theres that scene where Florence Pugh sees her boyfriend cheating on her and she is wailing and screaming and all the other women start doing the exact same thing, and I had legitimate chills. It is one of those things I cant fully explain, but I dont mean it as an exaggeration that it gave me the chills watching that synchronized wailing intermixed with the old women chanting. You see her finding that community that shes been missing out on this entire film, and this is the point where you know she is truly lost to the cult with no hope of coming back. It is just so stark and raw from a visual standpoint and from a performance standpoint. Theres a lot of scenes like that in the movie and even with the stuff I didnt like, I never stopped being interested.

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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 9:39:23 PM
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And, again, Aster does a great job with the horror. I think there are some missteps here or places where he couldve done better, but there is also a lot of things here that are just excellent. Even little things this is the first movie I think Ive seen where I was creeped out by the architecture. It all takes place during the day for the most part and it isnt like theyre wandering around haunted houses, but between that one building that looks almost 2D when they walk in and the strange building where they keep the books that looks like it is collapsing in on itself to the weird yellow building where the sacrifices occur, there is just something wrong with this community from the very first time you see it. It never stops being unsettling, which is maybe something that makes the plot so obvious. But even with it being obvious, it isnt like that takes away from the creepiness at all. I felt like this does a better job with the horror than the vast majority of the list, and it is impressive it is able to do so in the daylight while we know exactly where the movie is headed.

The visceral, raw violence also does a great job of highlighting the horror, and while there arent any scenes nearly as breathtaking as sudden unexpected beheading, there are a handful that are elicit something close-ish to the same response. The elderly couples suicide is completely brutal and I almost gasped even though I knew exactly what was going to happen when they showed them heading towards the cliff. I was less prepared for the still breathing corpse of the dude from the couple hanging over the chickens while his lungs were still inflating and deflating while on the outside of his body. Aster is great at this sort of imagery, something truly brutal that at the same time doesnt feel exploitative. It serves a part in the story, but still manages to shock you just by looking at it.

Theres so much more here I wish I had time to talk about, but this is too long already. I havent even mentioned that absolutely gutting intro or the off the charts cinematography in any real detail or one of the bigger laughs I had from any film when the boyfriend goes I think I ate her pubes and the elder woman goes that sounds probably right. Theres so much here I just cant stop thinking about. I think this is a flawed film at times and I fully expect this to be in the bottom five of a list or two or three. When Snake was like there are x number of films in the top six and bottom six of lists I was immediately like ok Midsommar and hmm what else. I get that this is going to be divisive and I understand the reasoning for it. But, at the same time, I love it. I love it in spite of all its flaws and its predictability and all the very real criticism Im sure multiple people have. It is just so interesting and well done and I just wish it was longer. This is a flawed classic for me, and I look forward to Asters next film.

Plasmabeam - A chilling love letter to fans of The Wicker Man (the 1973 version, not the Nicky Cage one). Midsommar creates a sense of isolation and draws terror from a location that would normally be described as pleasant. Camerawork is top-notch, and once this movie gets going, its unstoppable. Cults terrify me more than any other horror trope, and the Midsommar sex rituals are among the most disturbing Ive seen on film.

So why isnt this movie higher? The characters. I never got attached to them. I get that were supposed to feel sorry for Dani, but she never quite won me overnor did the rest of the cast.

PrinceKaro - A group of friends take a vacation on a commune that is pretty much similar to what probably goes on at Amy Coney Barrett's family reunion.

It is a bit slow to get started, and is way longer then it needs to be to tell its story, but the story it does tell is a good one. Even as the cultists get increasingly sinister as the film progresses, they are never fully demonized into generic horror killers as a different movie might have done. We even see the female protagonist finally finding peace at the end as a member of the their ranks.

It is a good enough movie that could have been better with a runtime of half of what it ended up being. A simple little story like this one does not need to be three fucking hours long. Learn what editing is, please.

Rockus - If Midsommar has anything over Hereditary its that it probably looks better. Aster gets a lot out of his exterior landscape shots and his often slow moving wide shots that feel creepier the longer they overstay their welcome. Like Asters previous movie its also anchored by a great lead performance though if I have anything to say against it I felt that so much of it feels inactive while things happen around Pughs Dani and her visiting party. I suppose thats just the nature of its premise as the truth behind the festival starts to unravel but for a 2 and a half hour film it can feel more strained than it would in say a 100 minute movie. Still rather strong though and something that I look forward to watching again to see what more I can get out of it.

Thesmark - Its borderline as an effective piece of horror, but I enjoy it as a movie about grief and healing with the help of a loving communitytold in the most demented way possible. I was high on Florence Pugh after seeing Lady Macbeth in 2017 (highly recommend assuming you havent seen it) and this was her big breakout-without a good performance, the movie is just meanly humorous towards everyone involved and thats a bit hollow; she makes you invested in her character and her pain to give the film an emotional core thats maybe not fully in the script. Its a bit too long(even before the directors cut thats 30 minutes longer) and most of the film feels like one giant set-up to a punchline thats not completely worth it, but I still dig the setting, the production design, the thrills and Pughs performance too much to put it any lower on the list.

FFDragon - literally what did I just watch

BetrayedTangy - Ugh, I really dont know how to rank Midsommar. Its technically impressive in every way, it has a brilliant atmosphere and Dani has a brilliant story arc, but it just feels like a chore every time I go to watch it. The first and third acts are great, but theres something about the middle that I just cant vibe with. I think it just feels messy? We have all these side characters that are here just to pad out the length of the movie, but most of them die off screen. So, it all just feels like a waste, especially after seeing what they do to Simon, it makes me want to see more of their rituals in action and with the ungodly amount of foreshadowing this movie uses youd think wed see a tapestry for them or something. I mean it could be in the background somewhere, but with how prominently the other two were displayed youd think it was more obvious. Which leads me to my other grievance. Why did they show the love potion tapestry before the scene even happens? Its like they just slapped a Midsommars Secrets Revealed video in the middle of the film. Its like the movie cant decide if it wants to explain everything or if it wants to be vague and mysterious. Every time I reach this point in the movie, Im just completely taken out of it. Honestly, its a real shame too, because the entirety of the third act is just pure art. Especially if youre high for it, theres so many small details to notice. Im a particularly big fan of Danis flower that pulsates to her heartbeat. Very nice touch. I do have a lot of respect for this movie. It really just is the second act.

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05/27/22 9:39:58 PM
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Inviso - I just wish this wasnt two and a half hours long, because you spend half the movie just setting the stage, but its done in a really boring manner that didnt exactly leave me wanting to keep watching. For starters, the movie does not do a good job of giving me a character to root for. Its one thing in a slasher, where you WANT to see multiple characters violently murdered, but this is trying to take its time and be atmospheric and creepy and cultlike, and it just did a poor job of drawing me in. Christian, Josh and Mark all come across as dickheads, but at the same time, Dani (how justified by her familys suicide) is overbearing as fuck and cannot take a hint. So you have this setting where Im supposed to root for Dani, because shes the victim of losing her familybut shes just unpleasant. That final shot of her smilingI GET it, thematically. I just wanted her dead alongside everyone else.

Ill give the movie credit: its cinematically stunning. The constant use of mirrors to stage scenes was great, and the decision to set it in a location where its ALWAYS sunny was pretty solid in making it stand out as well. But Im more of a substance over style kinda guy, and this was very much the reverse for me. Also, Simon got the most brutal death of the entire movie, and yet he was the victim character we were given the LEAST reason to want dead. Everyone else was at least portrayed as unreasonable, or as an asshole. Simon going out the way he did was just awful. I guess that just adds to the overall unpleasant feeling I got from the movie, which leads to it ranking where it does on my list.

Red13n - Want a bunch of subplots thrown into a movie that will be thrown out at the earliest convenience? You are in the right place. Mysterious murder suicide? Nope never spoken of again. Main girl going to get dumped? Nope. She isn't actually going on the trip with them? Nope. Random introduced side, characters, nope. Fake tension by randomly deciding to do the same research project or whatever? Nope. Everything thrown aside and we're supposed to be horrified by the obvious murder cult. This is just bad storytelling with bland characters that is also just really long while we wait for the the cult to finally reveal itself as wanting to murder everyone. With some sex rituals thrown in because the cult moaning is just a recurring annoyance.

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thesmark
05/27/22 9:43:24 PM
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Huh, reading my review again there's one change I would make. The emotional core certainly is there at the script level, at least when it comes to Florence's Pugh's character. I don't know if the execution in the latter stages is the best, but it does a heck of a job setting it up at least.

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FFDragon
05/27/22 9:47:07 PM
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hell yeah busan

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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 9:50:21 PM
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Snake5555555555 posted...
during Attestupan the woman goes head-first and gets it over with, the man drags things out).

Loved this little catch!

Snake5555555555 posted...
Mysterious murder suicide? Nope never spoken of again.

Don't really get this complaint. It's pretty apparent it affects Dani the whole film. But I don't think anyone who went through something like that would keep going around mentioning it.

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Blaziken
05/27/22 9:50:38 PM
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And at the very end of the list, this ranking manages to salvage itself! I may get high outlier scores a lot, but somehow, I'm always good at having really popular top twos.

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Blaziken
05/27/22 9:57:24 PM
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Anyway, it'll be a massive upset if Train to Busan wins, so I'm predicting Busan as my final bet for the list.

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red13n
05/27/22 9:58:50 PM
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Get Out would have been the early favorite when we saw such a discrepancy in scores. So I can't necessarily see it going differently.

1, 5

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red13n
05/27/22 10:00:03 PM
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Snake5555555555 posted...


Don't really get this complaint. It's pretty apparent it affects Dani the whole film. But I don't think anyone who went through something like that would keep going around mentioning it.

Oh I get its impact on her. But I don't think that impact really changed much of note considering the time spent on it early on. If it say, didn't happen, I don't think the plot changes all that much.

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Snake5555555555
05/27/22 10:00:15 PM
#248:


Outlier
Tom Nook: 264
red13n: 242
Inviso: 222
PrinceKaro: 202
Suprak: 194
Plasmabeam: 192
FFDragon: 190
Snake: 184
fortybelowsummer: 158
jcgamer107: 153
BetrayedTangy: 131
rockus: 124
thesmark: 119
Lightning Strikes: 108
Johnbobb: 97

red and Vis continue dancing their way to Nook's formerly untouchable lead.

So, we have two films left Train to Busan vs. Get Out. I want to do both films on the same day, back to back basically, however, I may only have the time for one ranking tomorrow. So I'm going to skip a day, drag the tension out, and hopefully finish the project on Sunday. Get those Vegas bets in, this is the BIG one.

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Blaziken
05/27/22 10:02:11 PM
#249:


How close are me and Red in the compatability stats? I feel like he's been my most reliable ally in this list.

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Suprak the Stud
05/27/22 10:03:43 PM
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Snake5555555555 posted...
Loved this little catch!

Don't really get this complaint. It's pretty apparent it affects Dani the whole film. But I don't think anyone who went through something like that would keep going around mentioning it.

Yeah this is a particularly bizarre complaint. Its central to everything that happens in the film.

Bane_Of_Despair posted...
What an absolutely abysmal take on multiple fronts

Haha I was going to say that was such a strange take on all ends.

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Suprak the Stud
05/27/22 10:06:04 PM
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red13n posted...
Oh I get its impact on her. But I don't think that impact really changed much of note considering the time spent on it early on. If it say, didn't happen, I don't think the plot changes all that much.

what?

did you watch it?

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