Current Events > Skateboarder Taylor Silverman speaks out after placing 2nd to trans competitor

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South Park did a well nuanced take on this

Serena Williams would stomp 100% of the men on this board. Wheres that male competitive advantage?

https://nypost.com/2022/05/20/skateboarder-taylor-silverman-rips-trans-competitors-who-win/

i'm all for trans rights but in cases of athletic competition there's clearly an unfair advantage MtF people have over XX females, and the optics of denying it are extremely damaging lol

You're not for trans rights

I've never once seen you say anything about how politicians are trying to ban people from accessing trans medical care, or the rising anti trans rhetoric, or the other laws being pushed to ban us entirely from aspects of life like medical care (in some states we can be denied any care that that deemed life saving and even then there's no penalty for those who refuse or delay care in those cases as long as someone else tries to care for us in their stead).

Allowing us to be banned from any aspect of life advances the war to ban trans people entirely. If you were for trans rights you'd know this and acknowledge that giving them any room at all only legitimizes their attacks. You're falling for their propaganda and helping the people who want to ban us from existing.

Well hold on. What physical advantages do AMAB skaters have over AFAB skaters? What makes male skating more technical and athletic than female skating, and how does that affect the ability of people who have undergone gender transition?

sure i am

i vote against those politicians without fail

allowing MtF athletes to compete against biological XX people is demonstrably bullshit. my unwillingness to pretend it's not doesn't suddenly mean i'm in favor of 50 other anti-trans things, no matter how much you wish it did

Oh wow you vote. And what else? That's it, you vote

but you'll adamantly defend discriminating against trans athletes on a message board

I will say, how many transmen have gone into the mens league and placed above where they were when they were in the womens league in any sport? Why is it so lopsided in the transwomen aspect it seems?

what else could i particularly do with any material effect? lol. i got my own life to worry about, you don't see me feverishly crying that everyone who isn't 24/7 10000% vigilant against anti-middle eastern discrimination is somehow against me.

yes because allowing MtF athletes in women's events is a disaster both in results and optics, doesn't matter to me if you wanna slippery-slope it into something devious

rest of your post is just a melty so i'll let you save your breath further

Aww so you refuse to acknowledge you're part of the problem. With "allies" like you I know my rights are at risk. Thanks Mr. "Supporter" for all the not help.

Well hold on. What physical advantages do AMAB skaters have over AFAB skaters? What makes male skating more technical and athletic than female skating, and how does that affect the ability of people who have undergone gender transition?

I get it. If I don't make my whole life about trans rights then I am a transphobe. Here you have someone that supports the trans community and you attack him. I am not going to try and empathize what you have gone through. I am sure you have had many tough days dealing with shit bags being shit bags for no reason. That does not mean you have to attack anyone that does not agree with everything you preach all the time. I do not hate trans people in any way, but if I do not check all the boxes on your scorecard then I am automatically pegged as a transphobe, and that is not fair.

Aww so you refuse to acknowledge you're part of the problem.

and you refuse to acknowledge that allowing MtF athletes to compete in women's competitions has been a disaster both in results and the court of public opinion

guess which one of us is probably hurting the cause more when it comes to the ballot box

MMA or any kinda combat sports? I guess that makes sense

Running? Ehh sure

But whats the advantage when it comes to skateboarding?

Our society harbors anti trans ideology, of course we're not popular in the court of public opinion. Go back to the 1950s and black people weren't very popular in the court of public opinion. Why the fuck are you using public opinion as a metric of morality? And why are you defending your actions where you're pushing for us to lose rights? That still helps the bigots and you aren't acknowledging that. It's obvious why. You're a fraud.

I have no idea what effect physiology might have in skateboarding, but the Lia Thomas performances (juxtaposed with her ranking/performance as a male prior to transition) really pushed me to the side of making a separate league.

But then, theres the issue of not having enough trans athletes to fill a league for each sport..

And theres no easy solution. But what were doing currently doesnt seem to be working.

So when cis women do well we don't need to mix them with cis men but when trans women do well we banish them to their own league that'll be even less popular than cis women's sports.

Fucking horrible logic. And you misinterpreted the Lia Thomas case if you think she did dramatically better post transition because she's trans. She had to work way harder to regain any of the time she had lost. She was at the top of the league with several wins pre transition. Yet she's not dominating post transition, only sometimes winning and the day she won one big race in the women's meet she also lost badly in another event.

I think you are making the mistake that we are saying that these athletes are transitioning to win these events. I do not believe anyone is saying that. All we are saying is that a transwoman has an advantage over a non trans woman

So when cis women do well we don't need to mix them with cis men but when trans women do well we banish them to their own league that'll be even less popular than cis women's sports.

Fucking horrible logic. And you misinterpreted the Lia Thomas case if you think she did dramatically better post transition because she's trans. She had to work way harder to regain any of the time she had lost. She was at the top of the league with several wins pre transition. Yet she's not dominating post transition, only sometimes winning and the day she won one big race in the women's meet she also lost badly in another event.

i don't know much about the topic and arguments but, is there a reason not to have trans only leagues and competitions?

not enough athletes most likely

@gunplagirl

Do you even watch sports?
Like have a team?
Gamble ect?

Men and women have different athletic leagues for multiple reasons, not the least of which is that men have a genetic advantage in most athletic competitions. This isnt debatable.

Women who began as men seem to have at least some genetic advantage as a byproduct of having been born and having partially developed as a man. Higher testosterone, increased muscular growth, etc. These things create a higher baseline pre-transition, so that post-transition, the trans woman is theoretically a leg up on her competition physically just by default.

You can say thats horrible logic all you want, but youre wrong. Its just logic, and male advantages in the athletic domain have been well documented throughout history.

Im not trying to outlaw trans women from competing, but athletics are a very delicate balancing act. This is a very new concept as far as the sanctity of athletics is concerned.

Ill read back through it and see what I mixed up.

We have women's sports as a result of lawsuits and other legal cases pointing out that women were discriminated against and banned from all sports leagues. Jesus, people make up shit about women not even being able to match men when some early women in racing sports won and then got banned by new rules against women competing.

Next you'll tell me that you fell for that "every Japanese person would have died if we didn't nuke them twice" American propaganda that ignores that Japan tried to open up negotiations after the first bomb, and we had plans in motion after the second bomb was dropped to ready a third one but that's when the complete and total surrender from Japan came and that's how we ended up with the Demon Core. :l

We have women's sports as a result of lawsuits and other legal cases pointing out that women were discriminated against and banned from all sports leagues. Jesus, people make up shit about women not even being able to match men when some early women in racing sports won and then got banned by new rules against women competing.

Next you'll tell me that you fell for that "every Japanese person would have died if we didn't nuke them twice" American propaganda that ignores that Japan tried to open up negotiations after the first bomb, and we had plans in motion after the second bomb was dropped to ready a third one but that's when the complete and total surrender from Japan came and that's how we ended up with the Demon Core. :l

No one ever cares that trans women would get eaten alive by men.

They also don't care about how unfair it is that trans men have no shot being forced to play with men.

Lets just take the time to note that people being outrageously ridiculous like Gunplagirl are never accused of trolling or arguing in bad faith.

Nobody accused her of that once this entire topic. In fact, several posters are seriously engaging her radical thought process.

But if someone is even slightly asking a question of theorizing something that could just be interpreted as not pro-trans, everyone and their grandma will accuse you of trolling or arguing in poor faith.

The irony is crazy. Especially since Gunplagirl doesnt realize how much she hurts the cause by being insanely critical. Like a hardcore vegan that demands you follow every little rule or youre a fraud.

Just have a discussion. Not everything is a veiled attempt to attack trans people.

Yes, I'm the one who hurts the cause of trans liberation, definitely not the people actively hurting us

And when the only thing you do to help is... not actuslly helping? Nah, you're not an ally.