Poll of the Day > Supreme Court voted to overturn Abortion Rights

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https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473
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A Victory for Morality.

victory for idiocy

BUT HoW WILL THIS EFFECT THE ECONOMYYYY?!?!?!

But... the constitution says any power not granted to the federal government goes to the individual or state, so it is protected by the constitution by not being in there

This is ass

Muscles posted...

But... the constitution says any power not granted to the federal government goes to the individual or state, so it is protected by the constitution by not being in there

The Constitution was written before The Scarlet Letter.

R.I.P. Women who will die from back alley abortions

In a realistic world there would be consequences to this. Using a stolen seat to do something so consequential? But nothing will happen. We're about to give congress back to traitors a year after they tried to overthrow the constitution.

Since the right to choose whether something lives or dies is a cornerstone of the American constitution... all abortion bills should be stapled to gun control bills.

dragon504 posted...

victory for idiocy

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Not shocked at all. They never gave a damn about judicial precedent, settled law, or decades of court decisions affirming the law.
They've always been the "renegade judges" they fraudulently cried about.
Now the Dems have a reason to actually pass abortion laws in Congress (before, "it's already been decided by the courts") and if they're smart, will run on this in the fall and make the Republican party pay dearly for going against 2/3 of the electorate's wishes.

Judgmenl posted...

This is ass

The Constitution was written before The Scarlet Letter.

You should be on the constitution's side since this is an unconstitutional ruling

Muscles posted...

But... the constitution says any power not granted to the federal government goes to the individual or state, so it is protected by the constitution by not being in there

yes, but
"The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans."

Muscles posted...

You should be on the constitution's side since this is an unconstitutional ruling

Anything regarding the Tenth Amendment is ambiguous as fuck.
An amendment should be passed, but half of this country is run by people who actually believe in God.

They dont care. They only hope as many babies as possible are born into unideal circumstances because that means more cheap labor and more soldiers for more wars.

Judgmenl posted...

Anything regarding the Tenth Amendment is ambiguous as fuck.
An amendment should be passed, but half of this country is run by people who actually believe in God.

Most of the people who claim to believe in him don't, majority of the shit they believe in and push is directly counter to the teachings of the bible.

streamofthesky posted...

Not shocked at all. They never gave a damn about judicial precedent, settled law, or decades of court decisions affirming the law.
They've always been the "renegade judges" they fraudulently cried about.
Now the Dems have a reason to actually pass abortion laws in Congress (before, "it's already been decided by the courts") and if they're smart, will run on this in the fall and make the Republican party pay dearly for going against 2/3 of the electorate's wishes.

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All three of those babies will grow up to be evil

I personally think people should be responsible enough not to need abortions and now that the tech exists to prevent accidental pregnancies (and reverse the procedure later if needed), it's crazy that it isn't used/available for everyone free of charge after puberty.

I would not have an abortion personally if I got pregnant due to voluntarily having sex and not using appropriate birth control. I think at that point the life is your responsibility and you need to at least ensure it finds a good family to care for it, if you are not able to, or do not want to. Many would be happy to adopt a baby, so it could have a good life.

I am a bit more torn in the case of rape etc, but again in most cases you can take a pill afterwards to ensure you don't get pregnant. Also if you have had surgery etc for long term birth control, you can't get accidently impregnated even if you are raped (which hopefully won't happen anyway).

So honestly I'm a bit torn on the issue, but I don't like to put my beliefs on others, so I lean towards having abortions be legal. I personally would like any such abortions to include a procedure to avoid any future accidental pregnancies, that just needs to be reversed if the person wants to have kids in the future.

While we don't have free health care, some things should be paid for to protect the interests of people who don't exist yet, and save resources over all, therefore I think the surgeries to prevent pregnancy and any abortions (that include that surgery) should all be free and covered by the gov/tax payers. Less people being born without a family that can provide them with a good life, and sometimes with parents that resent them etc, the better.

I don't think abortion should be taken off the table but I do feel that no doctor should ever be forced to perform them (which they are not really right now, but if you go into that field it may be required of you). I think the solution is to make abortions not needed almost ever (unless the mothers life is in danger etc). Another method is to streamline the adoption process and take out all the rediculous additional costs so that the mother of a child that puts a baby up for adoption gets a significant amount of money, making it MUCH less likely that an abortion would happen, and providing many children with loving families.

There is no easy solution, but I do think stronger birth control access is something we should have universally on this planet and certainly in the US. We have enough people, lets ensure any future people have a loving family that will support them and give them the best life possible. I consider it far worse to have a child and not love it and provide for it's future, than to abort a child.

Suffering in my mind is far worse than death, and if you bring a child into this world and abandon it, you are almost certainly causing it alot of suffering.

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The constitution makes no reference to weed either but they decided that can be federally banned.

GanonsSpirit posted...

The constitution makes no reference to weed either but they decided that can be federally banned.

and you want that gone as well so...

There will definitely be some bitter irony in that it was the stubbornness of two of the most prominent Democratic women in politics that enabled this*.
Hillary Clinton, probably the only person so disliked that they would've lost to Trump, ran anyway because it was her turn.
And Ruth Bader Ginsberg, deciding the destruction of Roe v. Wade was #Worth_It! for another few years on the bench instead of retiring.

Anyway, gentle reminder to all of you doing a victory dance who think this somehow will "protect life", that abortions happened before Roe v. Wade and will continue afterwards. If someone really doesn't want a kid, they'll do what they have to (but, the same people push abstinence only education, so I guess the concept that you can't force your morality on others eludes them).
Roe v. Wade just made the safe medical abortion legal. Now people who don't want kids will just be going back to the "home remedies". I suppose this is a "buying opportunity" for stock in wire hanger companies...

* "This" being the destruction of women's bodily autonomy by Republicans. Because yes, while the above two enabled it, they're the ones that actually did it and are at fault.

wolfy42 posted...

I would not have an abortion personally if I got pregnant due to voluntarily having sex and not using appropriate birth control.

You would never have to make that decision. You're a man. You can't get pregnant. Whatever you think you'd hypothetically do is pointless to say because you will never have to make the decision. It's easy to say what you'd do when you never actually have to make a choice.

wolfy42 posted...

I personally think people should be responsible enough not to need abortions and now that the tech exists to prevent accidental pregnancies (and reverse the procedure later if needed), it's crazy that it isn't used/available for everyone free of charge after puberty.

What, vasectomies? Reversing vasectomies is expensive and not the most reliable. We're not quite at a point where it can be treated as regular birth control. Even then, vasectomies are only ~99.9% effective, so you'll still see some 20-30,000 unplanned pregnancies a year in the US (I worked out the full math in another abortion thread, can't be bothered to do it again).

As much as people bang on the "responsibility!" angle, the fact of the matter is that nothing short of complete abstinence can completely eliminate unwanted pregnancies on a population scale (and even then, rape is still a thing), but given how much the risk can be reduced on an individual scale, expecting everyone that doesn't want a kid to completely avoid sex is not remotely reasonable (nor has it ever been). Unwanted pregnancies will always happen, no matter how responsible people are about it.

Wanded posted...

A Victory for Morality.

There is no morality in demanding that somebody else make a sacrifice you will never have to consider. That's just a bunch of cowards enjoying a self-righteous circle jerk.

adjl posted...

There is no morality in demanding that somebody else make a sacrifice you will never have to consider. That's just a bunch of cowards enjoying a self-righteous circle jerk.

Organized religion is founded on control and obedience of the masses. Of course that's what's going on.

adjl posted...

There is no morality in demanding that somebody else make a sacrifice you will never have to consider. That's just a bunch of cowards enjoying a self-righteous circle jerk.

Of course it isn't about morality, it's about winning. The jerk has done nothing but gloat and try to deliberately piss people off when 167 million americans have their basic bodily rights taken away.

Do you support the right to eliminate an unwanted intruder?

streamofthesky posted...

Anyway, gentle reminder to all of you doing a victory dance who think this somehow will "protect life", that abortions happened before Roe v. Wade and will continue afterwards. If someone really doesn't want a kid, they'll do what they have to (but, the same people push abstinence only education, so I guess the concept that you can't force your morality on others eludes them).
Roe v. Wade just made the safe medical abortion legal. Now people who don't want kids will just be going back to the "home remedies". I suppose this is a "buying opportunity" for stock in wire hanger companies...

you really think if abortion is completely banned not even a single mother would choose not to abort

BlackScythe0 posted...

Of course it isn't about morality, it's about winning. The jerk has done nothing but gloat and try to deliberately piss people off when 167 million americans have their basic bodily rights taken away.

I honestly hope people like TC do these victory dances in public.
I want people to be pissed off.

Angry people turn out and vote.
Get angry. Make sure everyone you know is angry. Make Them Pay

BlackScythe0 posted...

Of course it isn't about morality, it's about winning. The jerk has done nothing but gloat and try to deliberately piss people off when 167 million americans have their basic bodily rights taken away.

ad hom already, two strawman as well, as expected all liberals have are fallacies.

basic bodily rights were restored, not taken.

Wanded posted...

basic bodily rights were restored, not taken.

Serious question: Are you not aware that there's another human involved in producing any given baby? Because literally everything you've ever posted on this subject completely ignores the existence of mothers, and given the choice between you being incomprehensibly ignorant of how the world works and you being a psychopath that views pregnant women as nothing more than breeding stock, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and hoping you're just stupid instead of evil.

Hey Wanded, since you're so pro-life, would you support a new law requiring people making more than 200k a year to get a 10% tax increase with all of that money going to helping new mothers who can't afford to take care of the babies they're now forced to have?

adjl posted...

hoping you're just stupid

Watch out adjl, calling out the obvious is moddable if it hurts someones feefees

I'm not calling him stupid. I'm asking him whether or not he is. Nothing moddable about calling himself stupid, if that's the route he wants to take.

Jen0125 posted...

You would never have to make that decision. You're a man. You can't get pregnant. Whatever you think you'd hypothetically do is pointless to say because you will never have to make the decision. It's easy to say what you'd do when you never actually have to make a choice.

What a stupidly dismissive post

Muscles posted...

What a stupidly dismissive post

adjl posted...

There is no morality in demanding that somebody else make a sacrifice you will never have to consider. That's just a bunch of cowards enjoying a self-righteous circle jerk.

There's really nothing more to it than that. The opinions of pro-life men should not factor into the discussion. They have no stake in the matter except wanting to win an argument, and in a discussion where literal lives are at stake, that's just stupid and should be ignored by everyone.

streamofthesky posted...

I honestly hope people like TC do these victory dances in public.
I want people to be pissed off.

Angry people turn out and vote.
Get angry. Make sure everyone you know is angry. Make Them Pay

dang barely 2 hours passed and already riot talk
liberals are now trying to do a repeat of the blm riots but with white women lol

You know somebody's got a point worth considering when they call encouraging people to vote "riot talk."

Zareth posted...

Watch out adjl, calling out the obvious is moddable if it hurts someones feefees

don't worry they'll get moderations but never get banned because they're "the right kind of people"

Are you going to answer the question?

I'm pro choice, does my opinion not matter too or just if you disagree? Is a pro choice man's opinion less important than a pro life woman's opinion on the matter?

adjl posted...

You know somebody's got a point worth considering when they call encouraging people to vote "riot talk."

I like how now I'm a "liberal"
My affiliation changes from topic to topic, it's hilarious.
In any case, 2/3 of the country supports Roe v. Wade, so apparently 2/3 of the country is liberal. Bad news for TC this November.

adjl posted...

You know somebody's got a point worth considering when they call encouraging people to vote "riot talk."

Trump: "Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard"
libs: "he incited violence!!!11"

also libs: "Get angry. Make sure everyone you know is angry. Make Them Pay "

Zareth posted...

Hey Wanded, since you're so pro-life, would you support a new law requiring people making more than 200k a year to get a 10% tax increase with all of that money going to helping new mothers who can't afford to take care of the babies they're now forced to have?

No, they don't actually care about the children. They want to punish women for having sex with men who aren't them. Anti-abortion stuff isn't about life, it's about punishment.

Oh look, the people who want lower income and lower intelligence people to be forced to breed uncontrollably so they can have more worshipers have won. TC is a symptom of this threat to advanced society and revels in his inability to understand higher concepts.

Muscles posted...

I'm pro choice, does my opinion not matter too or just if you disagree?

You're not demanding that somebody else makes a sacrifice that you'll never have to consider making, so you're good. Arguing in the interest of people that actually have to worry about this is fine. Arguing against those interests amounts to "I value this hypothetical argument more than your safety," which is nonsense.

Wanded posted...

Trump: "Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard"
libs: "he incited violence!!!11"

also libs: "Get angry. Make sure everyone you know is angry. Make Them Pay "

Notably missing from this post: The line "Angry people turn out and vote" that immediately preceded the cherry-picked quote. It's also very reliably indicative of a point worth considering that you pretend most of the opposing position doesn't exist.

Do you have any intention of answering my question? Can you justify pointedly ignoring the existence of pregnant women in everything you have to say on the matter?

Fuck the liberals. They're useless. If you want anything done you're going to want to go farther left than these mummified ghouls we have in office.

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low quality comeback even by your standards

accusing me of not understanding nuance while your side is incapable of understanding things said literally lmao