Board 8 > Could Donkey Kong defeat Psycho Mantis in a fight?

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rwlh
04/14/22 4:39:12 PM
#1:


Arguments for Mantis:
  • he can lift Donkey Kong into the air and fling him into walls
  • he can confuse Donkey Kong with illusions
  • DK lacks meta awareness and won't think to change the controller port


Arguments for DK:
  • he is canonically too dimwitted to be mind controlled
  • he is incredibly durable and can probably withstand most of Mantis's attacks
  • if DK shoots Mantis, it's gonna hurt


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Punnyz
04/14/22 4:40:45 PM
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if Mantis was just a purely mind-oritented Psychic, I would say DK

but his powers allow him to do too many other things

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04/14/22 5:01:59 PM
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It doesn't matter if Psycho Mantis can't control him. As long as he can predict DK's actions by reading his mind, he'll never get hit.

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Fastbreak
04/14/22 5:03:25 PM
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Who is captaining the Dk and Mantis?

What's the terrain?

The buy down?

The hell kind of battle is this

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HashtagSEP
04/14/22 5:09:52 PM
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It doesn't matter if Psycho Mantis can't control him. As long as he can predict DK's actions by reading his mind, he'll never get hit.

You may not know this, but DK's coconut gun fires in spurts, which makes it hard to predict beyond the knowledge of "He's going to shoot it." Thus, one must draw the conclusion that it will, indeed, hurt.

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Shonen_Bat
04/14/22 5:20:58 PM
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DK's bigger, faster, and stronger too.

Really, how fast is Mantis? Can he mindread "I'm going to punch you 12 times in a second" and get away from that? Or thunderclaps that shatter falling rocks?

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Aecioo
04/14/22 6:54:09 PM
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NFUN
04/14/22 7:01:25 PM
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It doesn't matter if Psycho Mantis can't control him. As long as he can predict DK's actions by reading his mind, he'll never get hit.
If he's too dumb to be mind controlled he's definitely too dumb for his mind to be read

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Pirateking2000
04/14/22 7:07:18 PM
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Didnt DK punch a moon?

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Hbthebattle
04/14/22 8:38:47 PM
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Donkey Kong is a cartoon character, in a realistic setting he's probably just too fast and strong for mantis to handle

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Leonhart4
04/14/22 9:06:42 PM
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how many hits can DK take before he dies

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Kamekguy
04/14/22 10:03:27 PM
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DK actively has meta awareness. The entire plot of Donkey Kong Land is DK claiming that he could get the banana horde again on weaker hardware, and Cranky Kong goes "bet", calls K Rool, and they have an adventure on the Game Boy. Additionally, he has a Switch on him at all times as of Tropical Freeze, meaning that he actively has controllers to change the ports of.

This is a terrible match-up for Mantis. And THEN DK can punch the moon on top of that.

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/14/22 10:30:32 PM
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yeah

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KingButz
04/14/22 11:29:25 PM
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One guy has psychic and telekinetic powers and the other is a dumbass ape.

How is this even a question

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rwlh
04/15/22 10:58:14 AM
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I wonder if DK's bongos could counteract Mantis's psychometric interference.
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Lopen
04/15/22 11:04:39 AM
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All depends on terrain. Mantis doesn't have a ton of telekinetic power like he's basically just limited to throwing things and force push things. DK could probably shrug off small objects all day. His mind reading also is functionally a bit limited in that if it's implausible to dodge he wouldn't really be able to.

If there isn't a lot of beefy stuff to toss at DK Mantis loses. If the terrain is too small for Mantis to maneuver he loses. Otherwise he eventually wins.

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DeathChicken
04/15/22 11:41:18 AM
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Is this old Mantis or young Mantis from MGS5? Young Mantis was pretty ridiculous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nTVrR0Gc5g&t=0m46s

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Lopen
04/15/22 11:45:15 AM
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Now imagining this fight taking place in the jungle

Mantis can't hurt DK and plinks off him endlessly by throwing random plants, rocks, and small animals at him
DK can't hit him, eventually starts to ignore him and go about his day

DK is eventually able to win as Mantis starves to death

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greengravy294
04/15/22 12:09:35 PM
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Votes no

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rwlh
04/15/22 12:33:43 PM
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Lopen posted...
Now imagining this fight taking place in the jungle

Mantis can't hurt DK and plinks off him endlessly by throwing random plants, rocks, and small animals at him
DK can't hit him, eventually starts to ignore him and go about his day

DK is eventually able to win as Mantis starves to death

Are you saying Psycho Mantis can't take his gas mask off to eat bananas?
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Lopen
04/15/22 1:05:45 PM
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DK will camp all bananas and establish dominance over the jungle

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Sorozone
04/15/22 1:06:35 PM
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Based on the argument so far, leaning DK.

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Maniac64
04/15/22 1:17:37 PM
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rwlh posted...
Are you saying Psycho Mantis can't take his gas mask off to eat bananas?
If Mantis steals even one banana we have a much more motivated DK in this fight.

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ZeeksFire
04/15/22 1:38:07 PM
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Yeah, i'd say DK.
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FFDragon
04/15/22 1:45:44 PM
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Is this Smash DK because he's just a toy trophy then

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Lopen
04/15/22 1:50:45 PM
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You can't mind read a trophy.

Smash DK solos

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charmander6000
04/15/22 2:17:15 PM
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Donkey Kong being immune to mind control makes it a more even fight, the question is whether that extends to mind reading. If so, then DK easily wins, if not, then advantage Psycho Mantis, but DK could still win with his sound wave attacks. It would be hard to dodge those even if you know it's coming.

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Crescent-Moon
04/15/22 2:20:43 PM
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Maniac64 posted...
If Mantis steals even one banana we have a much more motivated DK in this fight.
If he steals even one banana, he's dead before he even knows what hit him.

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Raka_Putra
04/15/22 4:44:04 PM
#29:


rwlh posted...
Are you saying Psycho Mantis can't take his gas mask off to eat bananas?
Psycho Mantis dies from malnutrition of some sorts (but not starvation).

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LeonhartFour
04/15/22 5:35:59 PM
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Psycho Mantis can also win the fight from beyond the grave

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Torlovsk
04/15/22 5:39:15 PM
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Pirateking2000 posted...
Didnt DK punch a moon?

As he says. Since it appears DK could resist Mantis' telekinesis to some extent or another, the crux of this matter comes down to the latter's ability to evade Kong's attacks. If a feat like the moon punch has parameters equivalent to the same action in the real world, and unless this takes place in some sort of featureless void immune to any kind of deformation, Donkey Kong could just wreck the arena until Mantis was caught in the destruction: He'd die simply to the debris caused by blows of such force.
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rwlh
04/15/22 8:55:03 PM
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Torlovsk posted...
As he says. Since it appears DK could resist Mantis' telekinesis to some extent or another, the crux of this matter comes down to the latter's ability to evade Kong's attacks. If a feat like the moon punch has parameters equivalent to the same action in the real world, and unless this takes place in some sort of featureless void immune to any kind of deformation, Donkey Kong could just wreck the arena until Mantis was caught in the destruction: He'd die simply to the debris caused by blows of such force.

Would DK be able to think of a plan that doesn't involve running at and punching Mantis?
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Torlovsk
04/15/22 9:21:10 PM
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rwlh posted...
Would DK be able to think of a plan that doesn't involve running at and punching Mantis?

Depending on the incarnation of Donkey Kong we're talking about, but I would expect your "standard Donkey Kong" could. Remember he's capable of speech in many games, and has demonstrated the ability to play musical instruments, and use vehicles. He's beyond just some "dumb ape".
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Leonhart4
04/15/22 9:23:25 PM
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He was called Donkey Kong because they thought donkeys conveyed stupidity

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Torlovsk
04/15/22 9:38:06 PM
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Leonhart4 posted...
He was called Donkey Kong because they thought donkeys conveyed stupidity

In the preponderance of accounts I find about his name origin, it's "stubborness". Either way, DK's portrayal has grown beyond how he was originally cast by Miyamoto, whose role has been that of a figurehead for years now.
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NFUN
04/15/22 9:39:25 PM
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stubbornness

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FL81
04/16/22 2:24:20 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkxqt9SVO4E

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Zylothewolf
04/16/22 3:28:45 AM
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Donkey Kong can beat Solid Snake in Smash, and Snake wins over Mantis.


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rwlh
04/16/22 10:55:34 AM
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Zylothewolf posted...
Donkey Kong can beat Solid Snake in Smash, and Snake wins over Mantis.

But Snake can also beat Donkey Kong!
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NFUN
04/16/22 11:07:11 AM
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rwlh posted...
But Snake can also beat Donkey Kong!
Why doesn't imply that Mantis can beat Kong. Kong beats Mantis but Mantis may not beat Kong. QED

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rwlh
04/16/22 11:33:37 AM
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I was just saying the logic of a character beating another character in Smash, when the matchup can easily be reversed, seems a bit faulty. I would need to see Smash tier lists before feeling comfortable factoring that into the equation!
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rwlh
04/16/22 4:47:08 PM
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Well it's true!
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rwlh
04/17/22 2:12:46 PM
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Current unofficial tally is 13-4, Kong. It's unofficial tally because this is an informal thing so I didn't ask for bolded votes or anything, so a few of the posts I interpreted as votes that might not have been intended as votes. Either way, DK is cleaning up. I thought it would be a lot closer.
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HanOfTheNekos
04/18/22 11:00:03 AM
#45:


psycho mantis is a dude so he gets killed if he has sex

donkey kang wins

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Accel_R8
04/18/22 11:02:52 AM
#46:


Mantis isn't even impressive in his own game. He jobs to regular bullets or strikes from a human. DK strikes would destroy him, and on top of that he's probably more durable than Snake, what with being a cartoonishly strong gorilla.

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Crescent-Moon
04/18/22 4:30:04 PM
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Psycho Kong.

That is all.

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Leonhart4
04/18/22 4:45:17 PM
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Donkey Mantis

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Lopen
04/18/22 4:45:50 PM
#49:


Mantis Kong

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charmander6000
04/18/22 5:02:58 PM
#50:


Psycho Donkey

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