Board 8 > B8 Yugioh Master Duel Modern & Classic Tournament Sign-ups [ygo]

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Now that I'm out of both, I'll post decklists. I posted the text version of the classic list on discord with a couple of thoughts on what sucked about it, but I'm shamelessly soliciting advice for improvement on either. The Modern deck is exceptionally cookie cutter Domain Monarchs while the Classic deck is a deck oriented around buffing up Raging Flame Sprite and/or Mucus Yolk to bypass enemy monsters for direct attacks (And locking down the enemy until the attackers are strong enough to survive).

Modern:
https://i.imgur.com/KEJET6i.png

Classic:
https://i.imgur.com/JkANdLQ.png

I won against David 2-1 both times to win the modern tournament.

Fun times everyone. Thanks for playing. And big thanks to Kateee for organizing!

GGs to everyone!

Yup. GGs, good times. Played mostly competitively with everybody who beat me, classic format is silly but entertaining.

Modern full results:

1. MikeTavish
2. davidponte
3. htaeD
4. Sceptilesolar
5. Reg
5. Emerladegg
7. kateee
7. Bane

Reg posted...

Now that I'm out of both, I'll post decklists. I posted the text version of the classic list on discord with a couple of thoughts on what sucked about it, but I'm shamelessly soliciting advice for improvement on either. The Modern deck is exceptionally cookie cutter Domain Monarchs while the Classic deck is a deck oriented around buffing up Raging Flame Sprite and/or Mucus Yolk to bypass enemy monsters for direct attacks (And locking down the enemy until the attackers are strong enough to survive).

Modern:
https://i.imgur.com/KEJET6i.png

Classic:
https://i.imgur.com/JkANdLQ.png

For your Monarch deck, I'd probably add in a Caius and/or Thestalos mega monarch, they helped me out in my climb last season. I also ran a Vanity's Fiend, and only 1 Kuraz, but that was a personal preference thing.

For consistency, I also ran a Proof of Pruflas. A lot of lists also use One for One, but I didn't have the materials to craft it.

our first Hall of Fame inductees:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/7/6/AAcxR5AAC6yU.jpg

True King of All Calamities
MikeTavish
Modern 1

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/7/7/AAcxR5AAC6yV.jpg

Blade Knight
davidponte
Classic 1

Here are the two decks I used. A mostly standard IDS list, and then a Warrior/Chaos classic list with a whole bunch of staple traps thrown in.

Modern:
https://imgur.com/BAhnrdH

Classic:
https://imgur.com/y22i60C

Reg posted...

Classic:
https://i.imgur.com/JkANdLQ.png

you posted that Crossout was kind of a brick in the discord but i think it's too good to exclude since it's at least instant removal.

idk maybe some more generic strong monsters (Breaker, DD Warrior Lady, etc.) swapped out with some of the equip cards to hold the line. Morphing Jar for shenanigans. there's things like Giant Germ and Nimble Momonga to swarm from deck

i chose wrong and that one Mirror Force sealed that game for me. i think that was the closest i got to a win too.

davidponte posted...

For your Monarch deck, I'd probably add in a Caius and/or Thestalos mega monarch, they helped me out in my climb last season. I also ran a Vanity's Fiend, and only 1 Kuraz, but that was a personal preference thing.

Vanity's Fiend is great. I was swapping between it and Majesty's Fiend for a while, but ultimately settled on Majesty for the tournament because I thought Domain lock would be good enough on the summoning front - Eldlich and Dragonmaids generally make that not the case though. Will definitely look into Caius and Thestalos too. I appreciate that. I like Kuraz for special summoning it with Ehther for a free two pop, but I miss the timing on him half the time anyways because I keep forgetting that Return causes the miss and I use that probably more than I should. The Mega Monarchs make easy replacements for a copy or two of that.

kateee posted...

idk maybe some more generic strong monsters (Breaker, DD Warrior Lady, etc.) swapped out with some of the equip cards to hold the line. Morphing Jar for shenanigans. there's things like Giant Germ and Nimble Momonga to swarm from deck

These are generally good ideas, I think - Almost all of my frustration/failure with this deck was centered around my inability to get monsters. The biggest problem is that I need the equips to get Mucus Yolk off the ground since he has base 0 atk. Raging Flame Sprite can self-start, but is super vulnerable on her first turn without them. On the other hand, I don't need Kay'est at all (It doesn't +ATK, and targeting spell cards seem quite rare at least among what we all ran), and I probably don't need the protection from Mask of Restrict or Ekibyo Drakmord (Love this card to death though - Was in literally every deck I played irl), so they're easy drops. If I go the Germ/Momonga route, I'd also really want United We Stand but that's UR ugh

(Two of the games I lost I was holding both Crossouts and couldn't use either lol. It was half annoyance at those leading me to call it a brick)

my classic list:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/1/7/AAcxR5AAC6y9.jpg

theorycrafting abusing some of the more busted cards: the staple spells themselves. i thought it would be still a little too slow and it felt that way at times but i couldn't think of more draw power/searchers. upstart is UR as well.

this is what i was planning to play ("Fairy Beatdown") before i found out the main searcher came out later and wasn't legal for classic format. rip

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/1/8/AAcxR5AAC6y-.jpg

I was amused playing Relinquished/Thousand-Eyes Restrict, and I got to summon Sanwitch so I'm satisfied there.

I did see that they made an improved Thousand-Eyes Restrict that works well with Super Polymerization, so that's kind of cool. Also a link version that's less interesting.

my modern list:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/1/9/AAcxR5AAC6y_.jpg

i didn't know which of the generic UR Links i should craft so i didn't craft any besides Apollousa which i still haven't played with too much.

kateee posted...

this is what i was planning to play ("Fairy Beatdown") before i found out the main searcher came out later and wasn't legal for classic format. rip

Yo this one looks sick. Damn shame you couldn't play it like you wanted.

also our "Classic" format is a little different from GOAT in a couple different ways which led me to calling it "Classic"

GOAT typically includes the next set (The Lost Millennium) as well iirc (includes Brain Control and some other stuff i don't know about)

some of the more famous staple cards in GOAT (PoG, Graceful Charity, Delinquent Duo, etc.) are banned. can't believe they were still legal back then either. as is, true GOAT format is unplayable in Master Duel. and it's not like Konami is going to acknowledge GOAT as a format.

erratas to cards like Chaos Dragon, Sangan, DMOC, Ring of Destruction, etc. make them weaker overall

Yeah, there's no way to play true goat format on Master Duel because of the banlist. Though, removing all of the draw staples hits literally every deck at least. Some a bit more than others, sure, but every single one is hurt by it.

I'm definitely not a fan of much of the functional errata. I'm dubious as to whether it was even worth it to get cards off the banlist.

There are supposed to be time capsule type formats available at some point, but I don't know how they can account for the pretty significant differences due to that errata.

I cant even remember what the banlist looked like all those years ago

Sceptilesolar posted...

I'm definitely not a fan of much of the functional errata. I'm dubious as to whether it was even worth it to get cards off the banlist.

i absolutely hate erratas because they are literally ruining history. not only are the cards that were erratad useless now, there's a bigger problem where if you have the card in real life, you are being told it literally does not work how the card you physically have says it does. since one of the main appeals of YGO for me is that there's no set rotation and you can use your old cards whenever (even if they suck) it irks me so much.

also if they REALLY wanted a "playable" version of a card, they could have literally made a card with a different name with the same effect as the erratad version now. which they currently also do for certain cards.

Reg posted...

Yo this one looks sick. Damn shame you couldn't play it like you wanted.

i won like two games with it in ranked (same list + Maxx C/Ash)

get me back to silver. only reason why i'm in gold is because of disonnects >_>

Yeah I was going to mention, regular goat also includes The Lost Millenium. For the purposes of our tourney, though, it wouldn't really make a difference.

Unless someone wanted to play very early Ancient Gear or Heroes.

yeah the only card from that set that i'm familiar with (Brain Control) was even erratad so...whatever

htaeD posted...

I cant even remember what the banlist looked like all those years ago

GOAT banlist

Forbidden
Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End
Fiber Jar
Magical Scientist
Makyura the Destructor
Witch of the Black Forest
Yata-Garasu
Butterfly Dagger - Elma
Change of Heart
Confiscation
Dark Hole
Harpie's Feather Duster
Mirage of Nightmare
Monster Reborn
Painful Choice
Raigeki
The Forceful Sentry
Imperial Order

Limited
Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Cyber Jar
Dark Magician of Chaos
D.D. Warrior Lady
Exiled Force
Exodia the Forbidden One
Injection Fairy Lily
Jinzo
Left Arm of the Forbidden One
Left Leg of the Forbidden One
Morphing Jar
Protector of the Sanctuary
Reflect Bounder
Right Leg of the Forbidden One
Right Arm of the Forbidden One
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
Sangan
Sinister Serpent
Tribe-Infecting Virus
Twin-Headed Behemoth
Card Destruction
Delinquent Duo
Graceful Charity
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Mage Power
Mystical Space Typhoon
Pot of Greed
Premature Burial
Snatch Steal
Swords of Revealing Light
United We Stand
Call of the Haunted
Ceasefire
Deck Devastation Virus
Magic Cylinder
Mirror Force
Reckless Greed
Ring of Destruction
Torrential Tribute

Semi-Limited
Abyss Soldier
Dark Scorpion - Chick the Yellow
Manticore of Darkness
Marauding Captain
Night Assailant
Vampire Lord
Creature Swap
Emergency Provisions
Level Limit - Area B
Nobleman of Crossout
Reinforcement of the Army
Upstart Goblin
Good Goblin Housekeeping
Gravity Bind
Last Turn

on the subject of possible future tournaments:

we definitely won't be doing this once a week lol. but maybe once every two weeks or once a month? hopefully there's still interest there for a while. current format in mind is Modern + Alternative format for tourney days or two different Alt formats depending on what people would be interested in. i'll be bouncing ideas off in topics for alternative formats seeing if people are interested. the main thing i'm looking for is that formats are not very resource-intensive and can have decks built with minimal (or no) SR/URs. maybe custom banlists are also an option to keep the playing field as level as possible. currently i'm looking into early versions of some archetypes to see if that's feasible.

there would be a list of archetypes and you can choose which one you build around with a limited card pool (either limited according to rarity or time (similar to how Classic format was). this would maybe help with people who didn't make a Classic deck this time around but didn't know where to start.

i'm also interested in compiling list of Master Duel rarities for notable cards for eras. this way if we do alternative formats, we don't have to go looking around for lists of forgotten staples or key archetype cards.

for our classic format, i already have this list. missing some notables at the moment i'd imagine:

Ultra Rares:
BLS - Envoy
Card Destruction
Cyber-Stein
Harpie's Feather Duster
Limiter Removal
Morphing Jar
Necrovalley
Reinforcement of the Army
Scapegoat
Terraforming
Upstart Goblin

Super Rare:
Call of the Haunted
Creature Swap
Dark Hole
Gemini Elf
Jinzo
Magic Cylinder
Mirror Force
Parasite Paracide
Reasoning
Royal Decree
Summoned Skull
Swords of Revealing Light
Witch of the Black Forest (errata)

Rare:
Axe of Despair
Book of Moon
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy (errata)
Compulsory Evacuation Device
D.D. Warrior Lady
Dust Tornado
Fissure
Lightning Vortex
Magician of Faith
Mystical Space Typhoon
Nobleman of Crossout
Sangan (errata)
Torrential Tribute

Normal:
Bottomless Trap Hole
Chaos Sorceror
Dark Magician of Chaos (errata)
Sakuretsu Armor
Smashing Ground

if there are notable cards (either splashable or main engine) at lower rarities you've encountered in your deckbuilding up to this point, you can let me know.

kateee posted...

our first Hall of Fame inductees:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/7/6/AAcxR5AAC6yU.jpg

True King of All Calamities
MikeTavish
Modern 1

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/7/7/AAcxR5AAC6yV.jpg

Blade Knight
davidponte
Classic 1

I think you mean Very Fun Dragon, no idea what true king is...

It might be cool for the alternative formats to go through the timeline a little bit. Moving from goat to reaper format, for example. Moving slowly means that most of the cards we already have will still be relevant while giving us access to a few new ones.

Personally I'm not that interested in timeline formats, and would rather future restrictions be stuff like extra deck restrictions, card rarity restrictions, card number restrictions? I wasn't that happy with the deckbuilding experience for classic due to artificial rarity inflation and I think it might be a trend.

Sceptilesolar posted...

and would rather future restrictions be stuff like extra deck restrictions, card rarity restrictions, card number restrictions?

Agreed with these, though I do like the classic format

Archetype restrictions would be rather cool too if we played on a different simulator where we could build for free rather than Master Duel, but that seems like a less popular idea.

I just want to play some jank Diamond Dude Turbo and hit an Ojama Hurricane.

After looking into it a bit more, regular "archetypes" don't seem feasible for a format that's trying to be less resource-intensive. Basically because of the existence of secret packs, EVERY archetype has essential components at SR+, even shit like Crystal Beasts or Ice Barriers (and i'm not just talking Trish either).

Even if we limited archetypes to their early versions and restricted the current expensive boss monsters (it would most likely always have been restricted in some way because otherwise it would have just been Modern), it would still be an issue. For example, Gravekeepers (one of the first archetypes) have Necrovalley at UR. Blackwings have Black Whirlwind at SR, etc.

So we're left with either the options of playing archetypes and asking people to spend at least some of their crafting resources (don't think people would be willing), rarity-locking and playing archetypes with only their worst cards (could be amusing and i would be down tbh but unsure how fun it would be), or moving to a free sim.

The other thing is, shortly after the "Classic" time period, decks and cards become more archetype-focused anyway so even if we locked by timeline, there would be the same issue!

Maybe the most interesting/feasible option would then be to remain in the classic format (possibly with a few more sets, the format right after goat had almost no game changing cards), but then create our own custom banlist/ruleset within that format.

kateee posted...

After looking into it a bit more, regular "archetypes" don't seem feasible for a format that's trying to be less resource-intensive. Basically because of the existence of secret packs, EVERY archetype has essential components at SR+, even shit like Crystal Beasts or Ice Barriers (and i'm not just talking Trish either).

Even if we limited archetypes to their early versions and restricted the current expensive boss monsters (it would most likely always have been restricted in some way because otherwise it would have just been Modern), it would still be an issue. For example, Gravekeepers (one of the first archetypes) have Necrovalley at UR. Blackwings have Black Whirlwind at SR, etc.

So we're left with either the options of playing archetypes and asking people to spend at least some of their crafting resources (don't think people would be willing), rarity-locking and playing archetypes with only their worst cards (could be amusing and i would be down tbh but unsure how fun it would be), or moving to a free sim.

The other thing is, shortly after the "Classic" time period, decks and cards become more archetype-focused anyway so even if we locked by timeline, there would be the same issue!

That is a concern, though I think it's not quite as severe as it is for classic/etc formats, simply because if you have to craft cards for an archetype tournament, at least it will presumably be for an archetype you like and want to play. Though either way you are likely forced into some suboptimal crafting decisions.

davidponte posted...

Maybe the most interesting/feasible option would then be to remain in the classic format (possibly with a few more sets, the format right after goat had almost no game changing cards), but then create our own custom banlist/ruleset within that format.

This would be good, but the biggest problem is that Master Duel doesn't (currently?) support custom banlists even for friendly games, so all we could do is add things on to the modern list, not take things off of it

davidponte posted...

Maybe the most interesting/feasible option would then be to remain in the classic format (possibly with a few more sets, the format right after goat had almost no game changing cards), but then create our own custom banlist/ruleset within that format.

yeah i'm open to the custom banlist/ruleset idea if we continue with Classic especially because it would mean we would change up decks.

I'm open to everything honestly. But the most important thing is that other people are interested. Can't have a tournament without entrants.

Sceptilesolar posted...

simply because if you have to craft cards for an archetype tournament, at least it will presumably be for an archetype you like and want to play. Though either way you are likely forced into some suboptimal crafting decisions.

I think this is also true. even for our Classic decks, i'm sure it was "suboptimal." Although since they would be archetypes I want to play anyway, I would probably just craft the one UR/SR and get one 10x Secret Pack and then just build with whatever I pull from there. Maybe 2 if the first 10-pack doesn't have any URs because seeing that "guaranteed UR" on a Secret Pack sucks so much.

kateee posted...

I would probably just craft the one UR/SR and get one 10x Secret Pack and then just build with whatever I pull from there. Maybe 2 if the first 10-pack doesn't have any URs

i can't remember if i did 10 packs or 20 but this is the notable Blackwing core i have from doing somethign like this.

Zephyros x1 (UR)
Assault Blackwing Raikiri x2 (UR)
Nothung the Starlight x1 (UR)
Simoon x1 (SR) - crafted to unlock secret pack
Blackwing Armed Wing x2 (SR)
Gram the Shining Star x1 (SR)
Black Whirlwind x1 (SR)
Sirocco x3
Bora x3
Shura x2
Auster x3
Kalut x3
Blizzard x3
Blackwing Armor Master x1
Kris x2

honestly...i would be willing to play this with the staples i already have jammed into it. glaring omission is the ONE Black Whirlwind. no Full Armor Master (UR) or Gale (SR) but if everyone's on about the same playing field, it could be fun playing with incomplete/suboptimal versions.

i looked through the legacy pack pool and i realized that the bigger problem isn't that the cards are bad (plenty of stronger older stuff) but that you get a measly TWO cards per pack.

You get a ton of the packs though.

However I have pulled 3 desperados

Why.

Despair-ado

I'm half tempted to just hold my legacy tickets to see if another use for them comes out

Two cards per pack and you can't even dismantle them lol. But if I decide there's something I really want to try digging for without crafting, or I decided I want to try something else for classic format, I burn them. I'm only on like 15 anyways, iirc

Between the free packs from PSN and climbing to Plat 1, I have opened hundreds of the legacy packs and not gotten anything worth playing.

I think I've gotten three legacy pack URs. Adreus Keeper of Armageddon, which is just a crappy generic rank 5, Penguin Brave which definitely isn't good but is funny enough for me to be happy with, and One Day of Peace which is at least useful enough to still be Limited if kind of niche. I guess it's not so bad.

I mentioned before on Discord that I got a Scapegoat that I dismantled before the tournament was announced. That was from a Legacy Pack.

Don't think I've gotten anything else of note from them.

You can't dismantle cards from the Legacy Packs, I wish that were the case. I'd have a whole bunch of UR crafting points.

I made a full Blackwing deck when the game came out because that's my favourite deck of all time. Would love to slap some people with it.

Blackwings are top 3 of all-time for me but I took a look at what 2021 Blackwing is and it feels like it's barely Blackwing at all when the point is to go into generic extra deck monsters. That's kind of every deck now, though.

I had the same reaction when I searched up what Lightsworn looked like in 2021, which is my favourite deck.

davidponte posted...

You can't dismantle cards from the Legacy Packs, I wish that were the case. I'd have a whole bunch of UR crafting points.

Oh, right. I even said that before lmao

In that case I just misremembered where I got that damn goat from, and have not gotten anything of note from legacy

davidponte posted...

That's kind of every deck now, though.

And this is why I play shit like Monarchs and Exodia. If I were to play a real meta deck, it'd be Dragonmaids since they A) don't seem to actually do that and B) aren't near as obnoxious-looking as Eldlich C) Big waifu energy (Raging Flame Sprite is still better tho)

Scapegoat is from Master Pack

MikeTavish posted...

I made a full Blackwing deck when the game came out because that's my favourite deck of all time. Would love to slap some people with it.

how many cards did you have to craft to finish it vs. cards pulled from the secret pack?