Poll of the Day > 7th person died in aus from the AZ vaccine

(+) Yeah! (+)

still got my app for tue.

first it's not allowed, now it's 'strongly recommended', still no pfz available. do i risk death for my politician's incompetence?

What's it going to be? Loyalty to your country, or loyalty to yourself? Your country, or your old mentor? The mission, or your beliefs? Your duty to your unit, or your personal feelings? Look at how much you've lost already! What kind of country deserves this much loyalty, Snake?

decide my fate potd.

btw seems to be mostly women dying from the blood clots and i am a boy

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7 out of how many?

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Oh man I thought the topic title said "anus" for a sec and got really worried

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Blighboy posted...

Oh man I thought the topic title said "anus" for a sec and got really worried

Luckily his anus is still safe.
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GanonsSpirit posted...

Luckily his anus is still safe.

no it aint

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7 of 6.8 Mil doses.
compared against 35.4k cases of covid vs 927 deaths.

i haven't been outside in 6 weeks so maybe my risk is less

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from what i heard of the blood clot shit, vaccinated and unvaccinated risk of death to blood clot was the same

is there an actual statistical correlation here showing being vaccinated increases chance of death via blood clots to a statistically significant level, or are they just seeing a couple people died and pinning it entirely on the vaccine

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you're not risking death by getting the vaccine

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Can you at least post an article so we can parse the info?

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Joshs Name posted...

7 of 6.8 Mil doses.
compared against 35.4k cases of covid vs 927 deaths.

i haven't been outside in 6 weeks so maybe my risk is less

come on dude

dont be stupid. Get vaccinated.

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Oh boy dude. 7 deaths in 7 million people. That's piano falling on your head chances.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

Can you at least post an article so we can parse the info?

yep: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/nsw-woman-becomes-australia-seventh-astrazeneca-related-death/100354032

for all others saying don't be stupid just remember that my app is still scheduled for tue i haven't cancelled it.

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Judgmenl posted...

Oh boy dude. 7 deaths in 7 million people. That's piano falling on your head chances.

believe that's 7 million doses, not people.

but your point stands

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Joshs Name posted...

yep: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/nsw-woman-becomes-australia-seventh-astrazeneca-related-death/100354032

for all others saying don't be stupid just remember that my app is still scheduled for tue i haven't cancelled it.

thnx! damn, that's a bummer. still, the odds are so insanely low as to be negligible. I'm fairly certain people find out about awful allergies they have to a variety of foods with quite a lot of frequency, and a variety of outcomes including death. Anyhow, things like bathtubs and cows are more dangerous. I'd be far more concerned about COVID as opposed to the vaccine.

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this is the most statistically sound argument antivaxxers have been able to latch onto, out of every other condition out there

and it's still, at worst, one in a million

covid is much higher than one in a million, afaik its one in a hundred or two hundred depending on demographic, right

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supposedly covid itself already gives high chances of things like blood clots, so protecting yourself from covid, even with a tiny chance of that, is statistically worth it

(thing with covid is that it can attack cells that we're not really used to having attacked, including things like capillaries and blood vessels, and it's also not entirely understood all of the negative effects it can have.)

the cons to getting covid are extremely high:
- turns you into a coronavirus factory, very likely spreading it to others (allowing the chain to continue)
- can allow it to mutate within you or others
- can definitely kill you outright or otherwise permanently damage you
pros: essentially none

the cons to the vaccine:
- might have an insignificant chance of dangerous side effects
pros: the reverse of all of the covid cons

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knew you guys would come through for me

appreciate it

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agesboy posted...

covid is much higher than one in a million, afaik its one in a hundred or two hundred depending on demographic, right

worldwide more like 1 in 50 (maybe 1 in 60 in USA)

though the delta variant seems like it might be less deadly, since cases are spiking again but deaths are not.

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https://twitter.com/nwthelonewolf/status/1247694260649906176/photo/1

^^^ There's my thesis from these very forums last year. All the best from here in Australia guys.

Oh and the video link to the 30:00 mark is here (it's all in English despite the title): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ_MUbRUIWg&t=1806s

Delta variant is just as lethal but there are a few factors making less people die.

First, alot of the very high risk people to die, already have.
Second, the main cause of death, a high percentage of deaths at least, was lack of resources/medical facilities. That is more under control now. The places with the highest death rates had the least amount of resources.

Third, much like the first, most of the people who are high risk have already gotten the vaccine, so the people contracting the Delta variant are generally not nearly as high risk and likely to die from it.

The number of deaths was always very low for those under 40 without diabetes/high blood pressure/immune compromises etc. Most people who were at high risk of death have either A: croaked or B: gotten the vaccine. While there are still tons of unvaccinated people, which is causing the delta variant to spread like crazy, most won't die from it now.

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vaccine day today later this arvo, feelin good

it's still a tad concerned az isn't used in other countries but i'm committed now

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Lone-Wolf posted...

https://twitter.com/nwthelonewolf/status/1247694260649906176/photo/1

^^^ There's my thesis from these very forums last year. All the best from here in Australia guys.

Oh and the video link to the 30:00 mark is here (it's all in English despite the title): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ_MUbRUIWg&t=1806s

you need to go outside and touch grass, you deluded moron.

someone who doesn't believe china, but then turns around and believes russia, of all places, is not right in the head lmao.

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Sahuagin posted...

since cases are spiking again but deaths are not.

Deaths are starting to creep up. Not as strongly as case numbers are (yesterday's 7-day daily case average was 110,000, compared to 20,000 a month prior, while yesterday's death average was 516, compared to 205 a month prior), but a delay is to be expected because it tends not to kill people immediately after diagnosis. I doubt deaths will end up spiking as hard as cases do, in the long run, but that's mostly because some of those cases are vaccinated people that are vastly less likely to die. I don't think it indicates much about Delta's deadliness.

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Joshs Name posted...

7 of 6.8 Mil doses.

You'll be fine

Lone-Wolf posted...

https://twitter.com/nwthelonewolf/status/1247694260649906176/photo/1

^^^ There's my thesis from these very forums last year. All the best from here in Australia guys.

Oh and the video link to the 30:00 mark is here (it's all in English despite the title): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ_MUbRUIWg&t=1806s

You lost me when you acted like Russian disclosures can be trusted

A literal goddamn KGB agent runs the country dude

adjl posted...

Deaths are starting to creep up (at least in the US). Not as strongly as case numbers are (yesterday's 7-day daily case average was 110,000, compared to 20,000 a month prior, while yesterday's death average was 516, compared to 205 a month prior), but a delay is to be expected because it tends not to kill people immediately after diagnosis. I doubt deaths will end up spiking as hard as cases do, in the long run, but that's mostly because some of those cases are vaccinated people that are vastly less likely to die. I don't think it indicates much about Delta's deadliness.

yeah, it's not enough to actually get to "delta is definitely less deadly", but there are noticeably fewer deaths now in this current wave. some other possible reasons have been posted by others.

in europe in particular, you can see a very clear pattern of three waves (and as I want to describe this I find that johns hopkins has limited their scale to only past month now? so I can't see this data anymore):

(just going from memory)
early/mid 2020: high cases, high deaths
late 2020/early 2021: high cases, medium deaths
mid 2021: high cases, low deaths

the two scales are not the same, so you can't compare them directly, but looking at the relative size of each wave, the number of additional deaths for this current wave is basically zero compared to the others.

as for why that is, who knows.

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People are insane. And stupid.

Ppl drink beer with no ingredients listed

Take whatever a doctor prescribes

So many anti Vax ppl do drugs and party

Get on planes, motorcycles, get in a vehicle everyday.

Have sex without testing for stds even once in their entire life and prob have hpv and benign herpes.

But a vaccine is too far, and a virus is nothing to be scared of?

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GanonsSpirit posted...

Luckily his anus is still safe.

not enough information to confirm that
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my fear came from the fact that many dozens of countries have banned the AZ vaccine

regardless, it's inside of me now.

if i stop posting from today it means i died or at least hopefully become one with the 5g network

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Probably need more info on the people who died.. a few over here died from the J&J shot, the first 12 or so were middle aged women who were all taking birth control

There was a pause with the vaccine then started up again

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7 isnt that many. theres at least like 1000 people in australia

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I'm amazed Australia have done so well with the chinese fever, they dont mess around, they've hit the nail on the head with the whole contact tracing thing.

It took forever for my mum to get permission to fly out of Melbourne to head to Germany to attend my Grandmothers funeral.
She didn't know if and when she would be allowed back into the country, but once she returned she had a 2 week quarantine period that she had to pay for.

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Are you even at risk? I thought the AZ deaths were just women (or maybe I'm thinking of the UK AZ deaths?)

Joshs Name posted... my fear came from the fact that many dozens of countries have banned the AZ vaccine

Yeah, well, if you don't fit the demo of people who died from it, it's probably not a huge concern.

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Zeus posted...

Are you even at risk? I thought the AZ deaths were just women (or maybe I'm thinking of the UK AZ deaths?)

it looks to be the same but i'm trying not to be an 'expert' doing my own research

edit: it looks to be the same as your comment*

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JixHedgehog posted...

I'm amazed Australia have done so well with the chinese fever, they dont mess around, they've hit the nail on the head with the whole contact tracing thing.

It took forever for my mum to get permission to fly out of Melbourne to head to Germany to attend my Grandmothers funeral.
She didn't know if and when she would be allowed back into the country, but once she returned she had a 2 week quarantine period that she had to pay for.

That's because it is difficult to fake a global health conspiracy designed to benefit the Chinese with only 26 million people on our entire continent.

GanonsSpirit posted...

Luckily his anus is still safe.

For now...

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Joshs Name posted...

7 of 6.8 Mil doses.
compared against 35.4k cases of covid vs 927 deaths.

i haven't been outside in 6 weeks so maybe my risk is less

7/6.8 M is better odds unless your pop is over 900M

PPPPLAASSUMA posted...

Take whatever a doctor prescribes

Standing up to a doctor because I did not want the heavy steroids she intended to prescribe me for something that really should not require it, was a weird experience for ~20 year-old me.

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PPPPLAASSUMA posted...

Ppl drink beer with no ingredients listed

Because true beer is only grain, water, hops and yeast.

BEERandWEED posted...

Because true beer is only grain, water, hops and yeast.

hops combos with barley, I don't know if hops combos with other grains as well

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Lokarin posted...

hops combos with barley, I don't know if hops combos with other grains as well

I said grains because brewers also use rye, oats, wheat and even rice.

Lokarin posted...

hops combos with barley, I don't know if hops combos with other grains as well

It does, though you'll typically use different hops for other grains than you would with barley, based on which ones best complement the flavour of the grains used.

Sahuagin posted...

as for why that is, who knows.

Hospitals are better prepared (both in terms of procedures and equipment), testing infrastructure has improved enough to allow earlier detection of infections, masks have become widespread (even if the virus gets past the mask, having a lower initial viral load improves the prognosis)... More recently, vaccines have been quite thoroughly demonstrated to dramatically reduce the severity of any breakthrough infections, which is making a huge difference in the current wave. It's a number of factors, really.

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here's what I wanted to post before. they fixed the time slider apparently. this is for UK.



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someone close to me who took the vaccine same day as me is out of the hospital day now for potential blood clotting / uncommon symptoms.

i came out almost completely unscathed, just a headache that went away with some panadol.

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Joshs Name posted...

someone close to me who took the vaccine same day as me is out of the hospital day now for potential blood clotting / uncommon symptoms.

well fuck

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FatalAccident posted...

well fuck

yeah, teleconference with doctor then recommendation to go to the emergency room and a couple of hours / tests given the OK. Just monitoring.

Really happy with that turn-around though.

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Sahuagin posted...

here's what I wanted to post before. they fixed the time slider apparently. this is for UK.

Yep, that's about what I was expecting. The first wave was a desperate scramble to catch up and figure out how to save patients with far too few resources, so mortality was much higher, but cases numbers stayed fairly low because everything was locked down hard and almost everyone was being super careful. By the second, infrastructure and strategies were in place to save patients, but restrictions had relaxed and people were getting more complacent/frustrated, so case numbers exploded. For the third, restrictions are even more relaxed and people are even more complacent/frustrated, driving cases up, but vaccines are widespread, dramatically reducing mortality rate. If you added a chart of vaccination rate to that comparison, I believe you'd see that number climb as the second wave shrank.

Joshs Name posted...

yeah, teleconference with doctor then recommendation to go to the emergency room and a couple of hours / tests given the OK. Just monitoring.

Really happy with that turn-around though.

As scary as they sound, that's what a lot of these blood clotting issues amount to. They're serious enough that they do warrant a hospital visit, but it's exceedingly rare for them to be genuinely dangerous or beyond treatment. They're really not bad enough to warrant avoiding the vaccine, even if you do end up being unlucky enough to have them happen at all.

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adjl posted...

As scary as they sound, that's what a lot of these blood clotting issues amount to. They're serious enough that they do warrant a hospital visit, but it's exceedingly rare for them to be genuinely dangerous or beyond treatment.

well that is good to know

I hear blood clots and I immediately start thinking about people having strokes

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Mead posted...

well that is good to know

I hear blood clots and I immediately start thinking about people having strokes

Yeah, it's concerning, and the risk is enough to warrant preferring other vaccines when they're available, but it's not worth seriously worrying about.

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adjl posted...

As scary as they sound, that's what a lot of these blood clotting issues amount to.

now knowing after a quick teleconference then some tests at the hospital to pick it up even a potential blood clotting confirms to me the risk is worth it. having someone go through the process gives some assurances for my lizard brain.

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