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Amy Chao
07/30/21 12:30:01 PM
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Milk is no good.
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spanky1
07/30/21 12:31:26 PM
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pinky0926 posted...


Did you see him on Joe Rogan?

If you want to ever show someone an example of how smoking all day every day can fucking melt your brain, show them that interview.

Is this a recent show or a really old one?
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Questionmarktarius
07/30/21 12:44:47 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
this show is queer baiting.
yeah... the 80s show isn't exactly innocent here either.
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FortuneCookie
07/30/21 12:47:33 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Id like to know what CEs gay community thinks about the accusations that this show is queer baiting. Basically the belief that Teela is being presented as gay, but Mattel isnt brave enough to let her officially come out. So in an attempt to rope in an LGBQT audience they actually trapped Teela in the closet and did the opposite of empowering.

They might as well. Her being a mannish heterosexual isn't going to satisfy anybody.

Teela and He-Man weren't really love interests. There's the slightest tease at the end of The Problem With Power, but that was it. If most men dislike the new look, and there are women who like the way she looks, they might as well go ahead and appeal to an audience for which the change will be better received.
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Turbam
07/30/21 1:07:20 PM
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limp-bizkit-89 posted...
yeah she is very different now. They tried to make her a sassy strong rebel girl and it comes off as too fake and cringe worthy.

she was already strong and cool in the 80s cartoon, so was she-ra. No need for I need to speak to the Greyskull castle manager antics lol
It's a shame, because I enjoy the rest of the cast.

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lolife67
07/30/21 1:11:28 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Id like to know what CEs gay community thinks about the accusations that this show is queer baiting. Basically the belief that Teela is being presented as gay, but Mattel isnt brave enough to let her officially come out. So in an attempt to rope in an LGBQT audience they actually trapped Teela in the closet and did the opposite of empowering.
The only people I've seen say she's a lesbian are basing it on her haircut and being buff, which is stupid. Of course these are also the people complaining about it due to "SJW/wokeness" so they aren't the smartest group.
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Questionmarktarius
07/30/21 1:17:01 PM
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lolife67 posted...
The only people I've seen say she's a lesbian are basing it on her haircut and being buff, which is stupid.
Or, you know, that one episode back in the 80s...

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lolife67
07/30/21 1:18:55 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Or, you know, that one episode back in the 80s...
Lol well I was speaking about them specifically referring to things from this current series.
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lolife67
07/30/21 3:47:47 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
They were definitely trying to pull in an audience with the new Teela,
What are you basing this on, exactly? They directly talk about how Teela feels about Adam/He-Man. There's no sexual/romantic moments between Teela and Andra.
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lolife67
07/30/21 4:05:23 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Korras not a lesbian! Her and Asami are friends!
Considering I actually could see those two growing closer and wasn't surprised by them ending up together, your attempt at a "gotcha" is a failure. Try again maybe?
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lolife67
07/30/21 4:14:23 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Its not a gotcha to anyone but you. Its crystal clear to everyone else. Im just trying to get you to see it.
How about use your words to be explicit? I asked you a direct question and you deflected. What, specifically, makes you say Teela's a lesbian?
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CyricZ
07/30/21 4:20:38 PM
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Geez Clunk. Like hate on Smith, hate on the show, at the end of the day, that's your opinion.

But this take on the show's alleged LGBT agenda is going off the rails.

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Disengaged
07/30/21 4:27:53 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
I think the difference is that the 80s show wasnt directly trying to target the LGBTQ community. They were definitely trying to pull in an audience with the new Teela, but they botched it. They went the Xena/Gabrielle route long after the theyre secret lesbians troupe had become pass.

They may not have been directly trying to pull in the lgbtq crowd in the 80's, but they DEFINITELY did.

80's He-Man is a de facto gay icon.

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JBstonecold
07/30/21 5:05:16 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Geez Clunk. Like hate on Smith, hate on the show, at the end of the day, that's your opinion.

But this take on the show's alleged LGBT agenda is going off the rails.
I just have missed the episode with all the LGBT action. I remember seeing a same sex hand hold for a second somewhere, was that it?
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Background_Guy
07/30/21 5:41:15 PM
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Don't be scared of gays
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CyricZ
07/30/21 6:53:42 PM
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I'm still not sure what your complaint is here. Too gay? Not gay enough?

EDIT: Also Grace Randolph's show is "Beyond the Trailer". Who are you quoting there?

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spanky1
07/31/21 5:24:59 AM
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Questionmarktarius
07/31/21 5:25:48 AM
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Still haven't bothered to watch it.
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FortuneCookie
07/31/21 12:29:36 PM
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CyricZ posted...
I'm still not sure what your complaint is here. Too gay? Not gay enough?

Not speaking on behalf of that poster, but it's possible to be both. (In context, I mean.)

She's from an older series and occupies a role traditionally held by the hero's love interest. Nobody in 1982 would have thought to ask, "Is Teela gay?" Fast-forward to the present and Teela is the "strong masculine lesbian" stereotype to a T. The only thing is the show won't commit to her being lesbian.

As such, her position doesn't really suit anyone. Heterosexual men aren't likely to find her attractive or easy to identify with. Lesbians who may find her attractive or identifiable are potentially slighted because the producers won't admit she's one of them. So who does she appeal to? A niche market of masculine heterosexual women? The asexual gladiatrix fanbase?

By all means, they should state that she's lesbian -- at least in this continuity. It's not going to rewrite history if He-Man and Teela kissed in a comic book. What matters is who she is to this continuity at this time. If she's gay, she's an iconic LGBTQ hero taking the lead. If she's presumed hetero, she's a character that women can't have and most men don't want.
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Fazeo13
07/31/21 12:52:11 PM
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They'll wait till the last episode like kora. If you want more you'll need to read the follow up comicbook like korra.
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spanky1
07/31/21 2:03:36 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...


Not speaking on behalf of that poster, but it's possible to be both. (In context, I mean.)

She's from an older series and occupies a role traditionally held by the hero's love interest. Nobody in 1982 would have thought to ask, "Is Teela gay?" Fast-forward to the present and Teela is the "strong masculine lesbian" stereotype to a T. The only thing is the show won't commit to her being lesbian.

As such, her position doesn't really suit anyone. Heterosexual men aren't likely to find her attractive or easy to identify with. Lesbians who may find her attractive or identifiable are potentially slighted because the producers won't admit she's one of them. So who does she appeal to? A niche market of masculine heterosexual women? The asexual gladiatrix fanbase?

By all means, they should state that she's lesbian -- at least in this continuity. It's not going to rewrite history if He-Man and Teela kissed in a comic book. What matters is who she is to this continuity at this time. If she's gay, she's an iconic LGBTQ hero taking the lead. If she's presumed hetero, she's a character that women can't have and most men don't want.

It still blows my mind that "most men don't want" a woman like Teela, if she was straight. Looks wise, I mean. Us snu snu guys exist, sure, but to me its just wierd that the majority of men aren't attracted to tough women with muscles. Her design is basically goddess level to me.

Maybe I'm just a lesbian trapped in a straight man's body?
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lolife67
07/31/21 2:11:15 PM
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"Most men" complaining about Teela's looks would take any woman that would have them. They would never even get the opportunity to turn down someone that looks like her.
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FortuneCookie
07/31/21 2:22:35 PM
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spanky1 posted...
It still blows my mind that "most men don't want" a woman like Teela, if she was straight. Looks wise, I mean. Us snu snu guys exist, sure, but to me its just wierd that the majority of men aren't attracted to tough women with muscles. Her design is basically goddess level to me.

Maybe I'm just a lesbian trapped in a straight man's body?

I've found the target audience!

Enjoy your snu snu goddess queen.
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Turbam
07/31/21 2:24:29 PM
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spanky1 posted...
It still blows my mind that "most men don't want" a woman like Teela, if she was straight. Looks wise, I mean. Us snu snu guys exist, sure, but to me its just wierd that the majority of men aren't attracted to tough women with muscles. Her design is basically goddess level to me.

Maybe I'm just a lesbian trapped in a straight man's body?
I don't mind her design, I just straight up found her unlikeable

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IShall_Run_Amok
07/31/21 2:25:22 PM
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Its funny how a He Man show for grown up adults can't commit to an openly gay Teela, whereas the new She Ra (which is decidedly aimed at kids) is more comfortable with homosexuality than most shows are with heterosexuality.

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spanky1
07/31/21 3:03:29 PM
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Turbam posted...

I don't mind her design, I just straight up found her unlikeable

Oh definitely. Shes horribly written.
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CyricZ
07/31/21 3:09:50 PM
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So Clunker follows folks on Twitter who openly mock pronouns? Mmkay.

Also that dude's anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion, and that was just with five minutes of checking.

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DarthDemented
07/31/21 4:32:39 PM
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It's as if the show was going to be released in two parts to begin with so the story for part one was written accordingly...who would've thought right?

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Collat
07/31/21 4:56:41 PM
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I might watch it eventually, but putting He-Man front and center of any promotional stuff definitely seems pretty misleading. Probably wouldn't get nearly as much hate if they were upfront about it.

Well except for the people who whine about any movie with a girl in it.
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SauI_Goodman
07/31/21 4:59:30 PM
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i dont know whats going on with this kevin smith thing and this new series but now i have the urge to watch the original again.

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dave_is_slick
07/31/21 9:35:13 PM
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DarthDemented posted...
It's as if the show was going to be released in two parts to begin with so the story for part one was written accordingly...who would've thought right?
Nobody since prior to this I've never heard of this being two parts.

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toadfan64
07/31/21 9:52:11 PM
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I was fairly excited for a new He-Man show, especially of what I originally heard from Kevin Smith, but after hearing what happens in episode 1, no thanks. Can't say I'll ever take Smith's word at face value again now.
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Questionmarktarius
07/31/21 10:20:25 PM
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...did I just see a Sailor Moon transformation sequence?
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Bishop9800
07/31/21 10:59:59 PM
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I enjoyed it. Can't wait for the second season.

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008Zulu
07/31/21 11:37:58 PM
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The show went in a direction I was not expecting, and that's a good thing. The last thing we needed was a 30 minute ad for toys. All praise to Motherboard!

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DarthDemented
08/01/21 2:51:36 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Nobody since prior to this I've never heard of this being two parts.
Who said we needed to be told?

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Questionmarktarius
08/01/21 5:14:25 PM
#347:


Smith isn't even trying to be subtle about where this is going.

"Hey, Teela, there's another big secret..."
"Piss off!"
[repeat about once an episode]
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CyricZ
08/01/21 7:50:14 PM
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It's the same secret: that Teela is Sorceress' daughter. It is actually kinda funny that they get close to this almost every episode and something gets in the way of it.

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Questionmarktarius
08/01/21 8:53:23 PM
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I don't even know what I'm supposed to fanboy-rage about.
Just moderate annoyance at yet another Netflix "and they lived happily ever - nevermind" cliffhanger like The Ranch did constantly.
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008Zulu
08/02/21 4:39:01 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
I don't even know what I'm supposed to fanboy-rage about.

Strong female character. Seems to be anyway.

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JBstonecold
08/02/21 6:19:20 AM
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008Zulu posted...
Strong female character. Seems to be anyway.
Her secret might be she was born a man. That would be a noteworthy twist.
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