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s0nicfan
08/02/21 5:28:01 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
lol.
wAiT fOr PaRt 2!!!

After part 2: "Wait for season 2!"

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Turbam
08/02/21 5:30:35 PM
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JBstonecold
08/02/21 6:00:58 PM
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Turbam posted...
Ah, episode six.
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Payzmaykr
08/02/21 6:05:56 PM
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I dont want to read 356 posts about this, so can someone please summarize whats going on in a non-biased way?

Smith gave us a bait and switch? What did he promise and what did he deliver? Is this something to do with political agenda or did he just not live up to expectations?

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Questionmarktarius
08/02/21 6:12:26 PM
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Payzmaykr posted...
so can someone please summarize whats going on in a non-biased way?
He-Man minus He-Man
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cjsdowg
08/02/21 6:13:50 PM
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Payzmaykr posted...
Smith gave us a bait and switch? What did he promise and what did he deliver? Is this something to do with political agenda or did he just not live up to expectations?

the show is about Teela, Adam is taking out early on. To come back just to be taken out again.
So Teela is the start of the show.
The Marketing have been about He man all the way.
Before this happen some right wing Youtubers warned people. Smith called them liars and said that the show was all about He-Man, and it wasn't the Teela show.
As of right now it has been all Teela.

Teela character as changed this the typical power girl of today. Angry rude and has big shoulders(joke) . SO it isn't the character that people remember , she is the star not He-man.

And people who claim is it not a bait and switch ( at least for this half) are either just wrong or not being honest.

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Disengaged
08/02/21 6:16:08 PM
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Payzmaykr posted...
I dont want to read 356 posts about this, so can someone please summarize whats going on in a non-biased way?

Smith gave us a bait and switch? What did he promise and what did he deliver? Is this something to do with political agenda or did he just not live up to expectations?

SKELETOR is better than he man. Twice.

Bowl of Cereal and battle cat is better than he-man as well at some point.

He man stans wail and grind their teeth while desperately searching for excuses. Local SKELETOR FAN tea bags thread with gusto.

I have the power! MYEH!!!!

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s0nicfan
08/02/21 6:17:34 PM
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Payzmaykr posted...
I dont want to read 356 posts about this, so can someone please summarize whats going on in a non-biased way?

Smith gave us a bait and switch? What did he promise and what did he deliver? Is this something to do with political agenda or did he just not live up to expectations?

extreme tl;dr:
Mattel and Netfix explicitly decided to fund a he-man show for fans that have been keeping the franchise alive for decades
Kevin Smith was brought in, who gave a bunch of interviews toeing that line. Promotional material, tie-in products, and Smith's own interviews gave the impression that He-Man was going to be front and center in the new show
The show comes out, and he kills he-man in episode 1, making the show (technically part 1 of 2) largely about Teela.
Fans get pissed because they didn't get what they were expecting, and Smith doubles down, pointing out that since it's called "Masters of the Universe" and not "He-man: Masters of the Universe" he didn't technically lie at any point.
The usual culture war BS then shows up with some people shitting on it for featuring Teela and other people saying anyone criticizing the show is sexist, muddying the water around any legitimate criticism of the show.

Here are some pre-release articles that highlight how it was promoted, and you can see from the trailer and the cover art that He-Man is front and center.
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/he-man-masters-of-the-universe-revelation-kevin-smith-netflix-1235026831/
But David and Netflixs director of original series Ted Biaselli had hit upon a third approach to the property: A show that would be for those adult fans who grew up loving He-Man,' David said. Not to even reimagine: Lets just do a direct continuation of the classic 80s era.

Honestly, if it had been anything else outside of that if they were like, We want you to reinvent this for the modern age that would have scared me off creatively, because Im not that inventive, Smith continued. And also, because I know what a fan base reacts like when they dont get the thing they grew up watching. You think Im gonna be the fall guy for that? If Im involved in a thing, its going to be true to what it is. Its gonna be true to the franchise.

https://screenrant.com/masters-universe-netflix-show-heman-character-designs-original/
Nobody's been redesigned to where you're 'Oh that's the 2020 version.' They all look like they're supposed to. And the story functions as essentially the next episode when [the 1980s original animated series] stopped.

https://ew.com/tv/masters-of-the-universe-revelation-photos-premiere-kevin-smith/
Together, they crafted what he refers to as "a love letter" for the fans who watched the original show as a kid and are now adults. That doesn't mean Revelation is on the level of something like Amazon's blood-splattered superhero show Invincible, which Smith mentions and admires. But it does mean that the writers room consisting of Marc Bernardin, Eric Carrasco, Diya Mishra, and Tim Sheridan got to "raise the stakes in ways you wouldn't normally do," David adds. "Characters could die. Not saying they will, but they could."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81wyj65SJIo


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CyricZ
08/02/21 6:18:58 PM
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Payzmaykr posted...
can someone please summarize whats going on in a non-biased way?
No.

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Questionmarktarius
08/02/21 6:23:02 PM
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Moss Man stole this first half anyway. Quite a decent "thank you" to Alan Oppenheimer.
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Disengaged
08/02/21 6:27:31 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Im sure Alan LOVED this. He loves to remind everyone that hes THE Skeletor and everyone else has been wrong for the character. Im sure Alan is thrilled he wasnt upstaged by Hamill.

Literally the only thing that could have made this better was skeletor having his true voice.

Sorry Hamill, you'll always be the true joker voice to me though.

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Questionmarktarius
08/02/21 6:33:22 PM
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Disengaged posted...
Literally the only thing that could have made this better was skeletor having his true voice.
Oppenheimer is 91, and can't really do it right anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPJlsSzPzAo
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Southernfatman
08/02/21 6:39:00 PM
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I got a question, did Kevin Smith cry at all? He likes to cry it seems. Very emotional guy apparently.

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Disengaged
08/02/21 6:44:54 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
I got a question, did Kevin Smith cry at all? He likes to cry it seems. Very emotional guy apparently.

Both times he man died he claims he cried. Interview footage from the moment:

https://youtu.be/T7_K28GZHdo


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008Zulu
08/03/21 5:02:21 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
He-Man minus He-Man
Did people throw this much of a fit when a Batman show didn't have Batman in it?

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ZevLoveDOOM
08/03/21 5:05:13 AM
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im curious to check out part 2 tho, specially with how the first part ended.

Ultra Skeletor looks terrifying as fuck!
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cjsdowg
08/03/21 5:07:55 AM
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008Zulu posted...
Did people throw this much of a fit when a Batman show didn't have Batman in it?

???

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JBstonecold
08/03/21 5:23:27 PM
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
im curious to check out part 2 tho, specially with how the first part ended.

Ultra Skeletor looks terrifying as fuck!
Well, my guess is either Teela or Andra become He-Woman and wield the Sword. They have the power.
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Questionmarktarius
08/03/21 5:25:26 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
???
Gotham.
Yes. There were complaints.

The big difference here, is that Gotham was openly marketed as a prequel without a Batman.
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DravenRainrix
08/03/21 5:30:08 PM
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I watched it. Bored me to tears.

I really liked the bit though:...

Adam tells Teela how he sacrificed himself to save everyone. So even though he's now dead, Teela still somehow spun it to "what about me?"
They should rename her Eternia Karen and be done with it.

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Questionmarktarius
08/03/21 7:50:34 PM
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Randor was vastly more pissed off than Teela. He just didn't get five episodes angsting about it.
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cjsdowg
08/03/21 8:06:44 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Gotham.
Yes. There were complaints.

The big difference here, is that Gotham was openly marketed as a prequel without a Batman.

Oh I forgot that show existed. Yeah I didn't want to have any part of that lol .

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IShall_Run_Amok
08/03/21 9:44:53 PM
#380:


Payzmaykr posted...
I dont want to read 356 posts about this, so can someone please summarize whats going on in a non-biased way?
Virgin He Man Fan versus Chad Teela Enjoyer.

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DarthDemented
08/04/21 4:06:22 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Oppenheimer is 91, and can't really do it right anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPJlsSzPzAo
Did you watch the aftershow? He totally whipped out skeletor a few times. Totally nailed it.

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Amy Chao
08/04/21 4:55:38 AM
#382:


Questionmarktarius posted...
He-Man minus He-Man
No.
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Fazeo13
08/04/21 1:25:03 PM
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Now Andra has the power. Adam becomes the sorcerer of gray skull. Fisto moves in with him to 'protect' the castle. Evil lynn takes over snake mountain as the new threat.
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Questionmarktarius
08/04/21 1:28:35 PM
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Fazeo13 posted...
Evil lynn takes over snake mountain as the new threat.
Motherboard'd Evil-Lyn could be pretty damn awesome.
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Questionmarktarius
08/04/21 3:02:52 PM
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Skeletor talking about Jesus will never not be disconcerting.

Also, is that Skeletor costume something that can be bought?
...asking for a friend, yeah...
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Questionmarktarius
08/04/21 3:58:13 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
"Is it just me or does Cringer sound like Winnie the Pooh?"
Now I can't unhear it!
I can't unhear Bill Dauterive.
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Bass_X0
08/04/21 4:04:17 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
Smith just seems like such a bully in this situation. And like I said . I have no love at all for clownfish. They slowly went down the right wing hate train.

They've not done anything wrong.

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Amy Chao
08/04/21 4:14:06 PM
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It's odd for me to see cringer talk.
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Bass_X0
08/04/21 4:26:26 PM
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Amy Chao posted...
It's odd for me to see cringer talk.

Does it make you cringe?

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cjsdowg
08/04/21 4:34:06 PM
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Bass_X0 posted...
They've not done anything wrong.

They complain about diversity all the time. I mean when they were complaining about Star Wars I was watching them. But Slowly and slowly it started to be less about horrible writing and sounding more like the Quartering lite.

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Bass_X0
08/04/21 4:42:30 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
They complain about diversity all the time. I mean when they were complaining about Star Wars I was watching them. But Slowly and slowly it started to be less about horrible writing and sounding more like the Quartering lite.

"Daily Dose Of Dismal Disney Doubling Down On Diversity" as they put it.

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Amy Chao
08/04/21 5:19:30 PM
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Clownfishtv stinks.
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JBstonecold
08/04/21 8:06:11 PM
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These IP's are poorly managed. They market the old heroes for new stories to get people to buy in but then they take those heroes down a notch or three to put over the new heroes. It's lazy, it's misleading and it's not about those fan bases not liking inclusion. Tell new stories with new characters in different times and let the old heroes rest.

This is the problem. Trying to make something for everyone, good. Tearing down old heroes to put over the new heroes, bad.
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limp-bizkit-89
08/04/21 8:46:50 PM
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JBstonecold posted...
These IP's are poorly managed. They market the old heroes for new stories to get people to buy in but then they take those heroes down a notch or three to put over the new heroes. It's lazy, it's misleading and it's not about those fan bases not liking inclusion. Tell new stories with new characters in different times and let the old heroes rest.

This is the problem. Trying to make something for everyone, good. Tearing down old heroes to put over the new heroes, bad.

mk tried to do this with takeda, cassie and jacqui (sort of replacing the shaolin bros, Johnny/Sonya and jax) but MK realized the error in their ways and didnt go forward with the replacement


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Lorenzo_2003
08/04/21 10:25:43 PM
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limp-bizkit-89 posted...
mk tried to do this with takeda, cassie and jacqui (sort of replacing the shaolin bros, Johnny/Sonya and jax) but MK realized the error in their ways and didnt go forward with the replacement

True, so maybe it takes a bit of luck and stylish creativity to bring in new fans and win over old diehard ones.

Nightwing and Red Hood became very popular for DC, for example. John Stewart also eventually took over as Green Lantern in a lot of fans minds, though it took a TV show and many comic appearances to accomplish.

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cjsdowg
08/04/21 10:32:45 PM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...


True, so maybe it takes a bit of luck and stylish creativity to bring in new fans and win over old diehard ones.

Nightwing and Red Hood became very popular for DC, for example. John Stewart also eventually took over as Green Lantern in a lot of fans minds, though it took a TV show and many comic appearances to accomplish.


The DC threw that away with making everything about boring Hal a once more. Same thing with Wally and Barry. You have new got that people liked something that is not easy to do. But let's fuck up everything.. Dangit Wally was treated so bad as a character.

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Lorenzo_2003
08/04/21 10:49:13 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
The DC threw that away with making everything about boring Hal a once more. Same thing with Wally and Barry. You have new got that people liked something that is not easy to do. But let's fuck up everything.. Dangit Wally was treated so bad as a character.

Lol, yeah, I agree that Hal is boring. Wally was cool. Im not sure what happened there.

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Bass_X0
08/05/21 3:21:59 AM
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Ivynn posted...
All this over a show that was a glorified toy commercial

They had to be good shows to be able to sell the toys.

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