Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 375: Joe Bidin' his time

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https://twitter.com/tommytortelini/status/1415038660219744261?s=21

I literally have Facebook friends sharing memes of the protests saying shit like This is what fascism looks like, and the pictures are indistinguishable from any American protest.

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kevwaffles posted...

Exactly. That is the fear. Refugee status ending and facing persecution. I've stated I think they're wrong. You clearly think they're wrong. But that doesn't mean they don't fear it and it doesn't make them bad people.

Also seeing you of all people going with "a country did a good thing a few times" as a reason to dismiss them ever doing something bad later on is jarring.

so you're saying that have a completely irrational fear that's leading them to support policies that have no purpose but the published intent to hurt their own (former) countrymen

in other words, you're essentially defending them by comparing them to antivaxxers and antimaskers?

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Speaking of antivaxxers...

Tennessee GOP raising the bar. They pressured the state health department into halting all vaccine outreach to kids. And I mean all vaccine outreach. Not just COVID-19 - everything. Also to remove the agency logo from any documents providing vaccine info to the public.

https://twitter.com/BrettKelman/status/1415023788777934850

In addition, they fired the state's top immunization official in retaliation for her attempts to get teenagers vaccinated. She sent out a memo explaining a 1987 doctrine that allowed minors 14 and older to choose to get vaccinated without their parents' consent if they wished.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/12/tennessee-fires-vaccination-official/

Gold medal in the death cult Olympics goes to this guy though:

The Washington Post reports...

State Rep. Scott Cepicky (R) criticized the health department for "targeting" the "impressionable youth" with advertising that promotes vaccination for teenagers, which he deemed "reprehensible." Cepicky had recently made a motion to dismantle the health department over the same issue.

Because dismantling the state health department during a pandemic is a very sane thing to do.

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One step closer to the Idiocracy.

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FFDragon posted...

One step closer to the Idiocracy.

On the contrary! One step closer to survival of the fittest!

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As long as the vaccine is still extremely effective, Im about ready to throw in the towel and hope it mutates even deadlier.

These people claim to read the Bible, they should know about how Moses told the people to simply look upon the staff and they would be healed.

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FFDragon posted...

One step closer to the Idiocracy.

closer? we already have a system that puts idiots in positions of power, it's called the electoral college

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Until we get President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho I will say closer, yes.

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NFUN posted...

in other words, you're essentially defending them by comparing them to antivaxxers and antimaskers?

I mean I don't think most of them are actually afraid of anything and I know they don't have even a spec of actual history to justify that supposed fear.

If you ignore those key factors, then sure.
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Senate Budget Committee Dems (Sanders), Schumer, and Biden have reached an agreement on a $3.5t reconciliation deal (in addition to the bipartisan infrastructure deal which would bring the total to $4.1t combined).

Details not solid (well, Schumer said Medicare expanded to include dental, vision, and hearing) yet but...:

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1415121710668468227

Sanders playing hypeman for it, saying, "This is the most significant piece of legislation passed since the Great Depression, and I'm delighted to be part of having helped to put it together. A lot of work remains."

https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1415121514165379075

Warner (one of the moderates on the Budget Committee) says the package will be "fully paid for" which 99% means taxes on the rich and corporations which was what Manchin said he wanted. (Sanders basically said as much as well.)

Manchin and Sinema both put out statements that weren't nos but also not hard yeses. Biden meeting with Senate Dems today to talk to them about it.

let's fucking go. they better get this done.

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FFDragon posted...

Until we get President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho I will say closer, yes.

I mean didn't we have worse?

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xp1337 posted...

Can I get a hell yeah?

Dancedreamer posted...

I mean didn't we have worse?

Can you imagine Trump having the smartest person in the world brought to him and then stepping down because he was more qualified for the job?

Why is he like this? (rhetorical question, we know why)

https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1415357790663622662?s=19

Really hope the infrastructure bill doesn't fall apart because we could use some good legislation news

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Absolutely insane how stupid that is, just the easiest Democratic slam dunk.

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The muscle behind keeping it illegal (I assume it's primarily alcohol, tobacco, police unions, and prisons in general) must be even more influential than we realize. Every recent marijuana bill put to a vote in every state (including red states) has passed with margins so ridiculous, that I have a hard time believing it's Joe Biden's antiquated beliefs that are halting the push for legalization. It has to be backdoor influence.

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

The muscle behind keeping it illegal (I assume it's primarily alcohol, tobacco, police unions, and prisons in general) must be even more influential than we realize. Every recent marijuana bill put to a vote in every state (including red states) has passed with margins so ridiculous, that I have a hard time believing it's Joe Biden's antiquated beliefs that are halting the push for legalization. It has to be backdoor influence.

It's mostly muscle, but it is both. There's absolutely structural influences in the party against it and that's why they don't do it. But it's also very notable that it's Biden himself who is acting as the fall guy here. His decisions to just not get involved and let it quietly fail is pretty telling imo. And he hasnt exactly been shy about his personal opposition. In fact, given Biden's history (crime bill!) I would even go as far to say that he is likely closer to all this background corruption and opposition than most Senators!

Biden was to the right of every other primary candidate on this, I have a hard time believing if someone else won they'd also be going "no comment" here.

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All that said, if Schumer brings it up in the Senate and it passes I'm still not sure Biden kills it. Maybe he does, but if it gets all the way to the end line I just dunno that he vetoes that's just such an own goal. I dunno if it can beat a filibuster though because I just assume the GOP will reflexively oppose it even if in theory this should be an issue they're a bit more open to.

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In any event, Schumer's bill is for federal decriminalization and expunging previous records. Biden has said he supports decriminalization so he wouldn't be a problem here anyway.

Biden still opposes federal legalization and wants it left to the states which is stupid af but it could be worse.

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I dont think it's an issue of Biden vetoing it, it's just an issue of if there is even political will to get a bill to him when it's very clearly not what he wants to be doing.

Republicans will never let a bill like this pass anyways, they don't want to give Dems that big a win. What Schumer SHOULD do is put it in the reconciliation package and push for 50 votes but again, with Biden and likely at least a few Senators not giving a shit I don't think it happens.

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Don't think it would pass muster for reconciliation - remember that still has to be budget issues. Biden may not be enthused about it but the problem area would be the GOP and maybe a handful of moderate Dems with antiquated views. And since Biden isn't enthused it would be harder to wrangle any stray Dem votes on it by having him working them.

Still would expect GOP to kill it though.

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xp1337 posted...

Don't think it would pass muster for reconciliation - remember that still has to be budget issues. Biden may not be enthused about it but the problem area would be the GOP and maybe a handful of moderate Dems with antiquated views. And since Biden isn't enthused it would be harder to wrangle any stray Dem votes on it by having him working them.

Still would expect GOP to kill it though.

Yeah you could maybe argue taxing it would increase revenue but thats a stretch and I dont think theyd allow it. Of course you could just replace the parliamentarian until you find one that agrees with you I guess.

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Im actually not 100% sure if you can just keep replacing them like that or not so Ill let someone more knowledgeable correct me!

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Someone please explain this Texas GOP filing arrest warrants for Texas Democrats thing.

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If they are all arrested then there definitely won't be a quorum.

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There's a scene about this in House of Cards. The goal is to get them back in chambers if it's the same thing

As in they're literally just brought to chambers in cuffs, not facing actual charges or imprisonment.
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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Someone please explain this Texas GOP filing arrest warrants for Texas Democratfighters.

Do you remember a year or two ago when Republicans illegally fled Oregon to obstruct Dems from passing a climate change bill in the state Congress? Basically the same thing, except for a good reason this time.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Im actually not 100% sure if you can just keep replacing them like that or not so Ill let someone more knowledgeable correct me!

you can. they serve at the pleasure of the senate majority leader.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Someone please explain this Texas GOP filing arrest warrants for Texas Democrats thing.

Texas wants to pass some trash voter suppression law - we talked about it some at the time, but they literally rushed it out in the dead of night, adding shit that wasn't even in the original version which was already trash.

Now, as a general rule, in pretty much all legislatures you need a quorum to actually pass legislation (the exact number varies from place to place from like 50%, 66%, etc.) Originally Texas Dems (who didn't even get to see the language being inserted into the bill until it went public, again, at the last second) walked out to deny the Texas legislature a quorum because Republicans alone couldn't meet it (so I'm guessing it was probably 2/3's present or something.) As part of this rush job, the Texas Republicans literally had to pass it that night because they waited until the very last night of the legislative session and by law it would end at midnight.

This succeeded. Texas's governor threw a tantrum and then called a special session of the legislature to pass this law (because again, Texas law dictates when the legislature is in session, the legislature can't call itself into session , and the regular session had ended.) So Texas Dems have used the same tactic again here. In response the Republicans remaining in the legislature ordered that they be returned, under arrest if necessary. (Apparently they can authorize that without a quorum or maybe it's looser on such a thing idk.) AFAIK the Texas Dems (or a fair number of them) headed to DC.

So that's where we are.

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So Tucker is being loud again I hear?
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He stopped?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

He stopped?

Well I imagine he went to sleep at some point

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

I mean... Duh?

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In some good(? I mean, it is definitely good but it is also a grim reminder of how fucked our justice system is) news... Illinois became the first state to ban police from lying to minors in interrogation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/16/illinois-police-lying-ban/

So they can no longer falsely promise leniency for a confession or claim incriminating evidence exists when it doesn't, etc.

It remains legal for the police to lie in interrogation for those over 18 in Illinois and for everyone in every other state. (New York and Oregon are considering similar legislation for themselves.)

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Cops lie to you? Jail
You lie to cops? Right to jail
You talk honestly to cops? Believe it or not, jail
We have the best cops in the world because of jail

xp1337 posted...

In some good(? I mean, it is definitely good but it is also a grim reminder of how fucked our justice system is) news... Illinois became the first state to ban police from lying to minors in interrogation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/16/illinois-police-lying-ban/

So they can no longer falsely promise leniency for a confession or claim incriminating evidence exists when it doesn't, etc.

It remains legal for the police to lie in interrogation for those over 18 in Illinois and for everyone in every other state. (New York and Oregon are considering similar legislation for themselves.)

Reminds me of a Dateline on this issue... *looks up*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EGgyEUT910

When the actual 2 killers were caught they scattershotted blame to a bunch of other students, Robert Davis was one, a kid they bullied. Police take him in, interrogate him all through the night, lie to him saying they have incriminating evidence that will definitely prove him guilty and the only way they can "help" him is if he "confesses". All while police feed the story to him and constantly have to "correct" him on details he obviously doesn't know.

They even lie to him about being allowed to lie, to convince him they're being serious -_-

A decade later the actual killers (also in jail) admitted they made up their accusation of him which was literally the only "evidence" police had, so Robert Davis filed for clemency which was denied by Virginia's Republican governor at the time who chose not to investigate. Wasn't until Ralph Northam's predecessor got in (northam obv the only name I remember bc blackface scandal) that Davis was freed.

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Never forget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

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I was thinking about that video as well, he does a fantastic job explaining how even innocent people can only lose by speaking with the police.

Reg posted...

Cops lie to you? Jail
You lie to cops? Right to jail
You talk honestly to cops? Believe it or not, jail
We have the best cops in the world because of jail

And that is a quality Parks reference.

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I swear this is right out of a dystopian cyberpunk - cops playing copyrighted music when they're being recorded to try and make sure any attempt to upload the video will get copyright struck if uploaded. And straight up admitting that's the play!

https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/1410636435930062851

"You can record all you want, I just know it can't be posted to YouTube."

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https://twitter.com/joshuapotash/status/1416494891203538944?s=21

Wonder if Joe will speak out against this.

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"The western city of Los Angeles"? Is this some kind of op?

It's satire - reporting it in the language that would be used if this happened in another country.

...i assume

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Yeah thats it (edit: not sarcasm lol)

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oh I get it

The Frito-Lay factory shit seems absolutely fucked

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkbmwy/im-a-frito-lay-factory-worker-i-work-12-hour-days-7-days-a-week

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Turns out lying to Congress is not important enough to prosecute, so look forward to more of that.

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1417213005624926212?s=19

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Garland has definitely been a disappointment as AG on matters like this.

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GOP probably going to filibuster the bipartisan infrastructure bill. GOP Whip said it won't get 60. Dems should put up the vote, force them to do it, then just raise the reconciliation number to fold it into that (the bipartisan bill was already such a joke it wouldn't be much of an add, relatively speaking!) They're going to tank it because they have hardened on: You can't roll back Trump's tax cuts, you can't raises taxes in any way, and you can't provide for better enforcement of the current tax code to gain revenue from tax cheats. Which sure is a Republican Party take.

Over in the House, McCarthy picked his 5 choices for the 1/6 Select Committee. Includes 3 members who voted against certification - including Jim Jordan. Pelosi has veto power though (because she trolled them and adopted the exact language for formation of the committee the GOP used for the Benghazi committees) so she better toss them and say anyone who opposed certification isn't getting on the committee.

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