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CaptainOfCrush
06/28/21 5:11:37 AM
#201:


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/27/business/economy/jobs-workers-unemployment-benefits.html

Business owners had complained that the assistance, as Gov. Mike Parson put it, incentivized people to stay out of the work force. He made Missouri one of the first four states to halt the federal aid; a total of 26 have said they will do so by next month. But in the St. Louis metropolitan area, where the jobless rate was 4.2 percent in May, those who expected the June 12 termination would unleash a flood of job seekers were disappointed.

Work-force development officials said they had seen virtually no uptick in applicants since the governors announcement, which ended a $300 weekly supplement to other benefits. And the online job site Indeed found that in states that have abandoned the federal benefits, clicks on job postings were below the national average.

It seems as though the states that tripped all over themselves to end extended unemployment benefits have not seen any noticeable uptick in job applications.

But hey, at least we can celebrate the cruelty!

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Peace___Frog
06/28/21 7:12:23 AM
#202:


Keep in mind that the cruelty is the point, regardless of whatever public justification they may use!

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ChaosTonyV4
06/28/21 8:07:24 AM
#203:


I legitimately have someone complain to me about all the people getting paid to not work every single day at work, the propaganda is unreal.

Anyway:

https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1409284121982115848?s=21



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Suprak the Stud
06/28/21 2:15:46 PM
#204:


https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/28/politics/gavin-grimm-supreme-court/index.html

Good-ish news out of the Supreme Court today on bathroom usage. Only good-ish because they basically just left the lower court ruling in place without nationalizing the decision. The two judges who you assume would want to overturn the decision did try to take up the case, but that was it.

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Jakyl25
06/29/21 2:04:31 AM
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LordoftheMorons
06/29/21 5:02:40 PM
#206:


https://twitter.com/tweetbenmax/status/1409958496829952002?s=21

Thread

The second to last elimination is very close and Garcia gained a lot from RCV reallocation; seems very plausible that Garcia ends up winning if she beats Wiley in the top 3 but that Wiley loses to Adams by a sizable margin if she beats Garcia in the top 3.

(I also find it very weird that theyre releasing results for the scenario where the uncounted absentee ballots dont exist; its interesting, but seems guaranteed to make people mad if the results flip!)

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Yesmar_
06/29/21 5:15:05 PM
#207:


The demographics for absentee voters are very favorable to Garcia. She might actually pull it off once they get counted. Be prepared for an Adams lawsuit if that happens though.

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Paratroopa1
06/29/21 6:25:32 PM
#208:


I'm quite surprised it's this close - people voted a bit more ideologically than I anticipated
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xp1337
06/29/21 6:28:48 PM
#209:


Kinda weird how quietly the US's involvement in the War in Afghanistan may be ending.

https://twitter.com/DevonHeinen/status/1409973149551054850

We might just be days away from the completion of withdrawal of troops (well, about 1000 staying behind for security at the embassy and the international airport, the latter until a Turkish military presence is finalized ) and I feel like it just hasn't been talked about much.

NATO might stick around longer to protect said airport, it's unclear.

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Jakyl25
06/29/21 6:34:41 PM
#210:


I thought it was supposed to happen on 9/11 for SYMBOLISM

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LordoftheMorons
06/29/21 6:37:33 PM
#211:


https://twitter.com/boenyc/status/1410000282654842886?s=21

Welp

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xp1337
06/29/21 6:41:26 PM
#212:


Jakyl25 posted...
I thought it was supposed to happen on 9/11 for SYMBOLISM
That was the deadline. Withdrawal by 9/11.

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xp1337
06/29/21 7:30:18 PM
#213:


Meanwhile, at SCOTUS - last decisions of the term will be released Thursday. Includes a case on the Voting Rights Act and another on a law requiring donor-disclosement. Never a great sign when Roberts saves these kind of cases for the very last day. I'm expecting the worst here.

In "better" news, SCOTUS just rejected a petition by a realtors' association to lift the federal eviction moratorium. 5-4. Roberts, Kavanaugh, and the 3 liberals denied them. I say "better" because Kavanaugh goes out of his way to write a concurrence saying he agrees with the realtors' association here but the moratorium expires on July 31 so he thinks it'll just solve itself in a month no need to complicate things by abruptly lifting it now when it'll be gone in a month. So despite voting to keep it in place, it's really only by technicality - in substance he would have axed it. So there's basically zero chance of getting it extended now because Kavanaugh is straight-up saying he'll kill it if the Biden Administration extends it... so it'd be up to Congress and this wouldn't be an issue you could throw under reconciliation I think so... filibuster.

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Yesmar_
06/29/21 11:23:18 PM
#214:


Looks like there were test ballots that were never removed from the system, causing the discrepancy in NYC. What a joke.

https://twitter.com/bobhardt/status/1410055272308121603

I've seen people saying that the votes were all for minor/irrelevant candidates, so it seems unlikey to shift anything thankfully, although I'm not sure where that part of the information is coming from.

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xp1337
06/29/21 11:27:10 PM
#215:


sounds about right for how bad the electoral infrastructure is in NY

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Forceful_Dragon
06/29/21 11:27:56 PM
#216:


Really unfortunate that ranked choice is going to come out of this looking like it's at fault even though it is clearly the superior voting method.

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xp1337
06/30/21 5:18:41 PM
#217:


House voted 222-190 to form a select committee on the 1/6 insurrection. All Dems + 2 Rs (Cheney and Kinzinger) voted for, rest of the GOP voted against it.

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KamikazePotato
06/30/21 7:03:20 PM
#218:


(info copies from imgur)

https://i.imgur.com/O3TaM3l.jpeg

https://youtu.be/5v1Yg6XejyE

Joe Manchin is described as "the king maker" and has received tens of thousands of dollars for helping Exxon Mobil. 10 other senators have also been named: Mark Kelly, Chris Coons, Shelley Moore Capito, Kyrsten Sinema, Jon Tester, Maggie Hassan, John Barrasso, Steve Daines, John Cornyn, Marco Rubio were all crucial to Exxon Mobil and all took a total of $117,000 with the exception of Kelly and Hassan.

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HeroDelTiempo17
06/30/21 7:24:26 PM
#219:


KamikazePotato posted...
John Cornyn

shockedpikachu.png

Also only "tens of thousands" for Joe Manchin to sell out? Really? The Kickstarter bribe idea is looking more and more realistic!

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KamikazePotato
06/30/21 8:00:38 PM
#220:


One of the consistent things I've seen among bribes directed at politicians is that it takes shockingly little to buy them out. You'd think stuff like ending the world would be at least a multi-million dollar ask, but nope!

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xp1337
06/30/21 8:04:17 PM
#221:


It is shockingly cheap, but I also think part of it is it isn't just the up-front money - it's the access to the cushy revolving door of becoming a lobbyist for those companies after they decide to leave office, or to sit on the board at one of those places, etc.

Basically they are also securing an easy ride to further profits in the private sector with these corporations.

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LordoftheMorons
06/30/21 8:13:04 PM
#222:


https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1410382329646923777?s=21

Glad this shit is getting slapped down

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ChaosTonyV4
07/01/21 5:24:10 PM
#223:


https://twitter.com/mmnonmeanstv/status/1410594016626982912?s=21

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Seanchan
07/01/21 6:11:45 PM
#224:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://twitter.com/mmnonmeanstv/status/1410594016626982912?s=21

yikes...

Also, in unrelated news, DARK MONEY FOR EVERYONE!

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xp1337
07/01/21 6:44:56 PM
#225:


SCOTUS out with those rulings as I mentioned the other day.

Both 6-3 partisan splits and both awful decisions.

Shorter versions for those who don't want to read my rambling on the cases:

For the VRA case, this court once again hacks away at it - this time narrowing the applicability of the only provision of it still in effect after their previous hacking - and ruled to uphold the voter restrictions the GOP put in place in Arizona.

For the donor-disclosure case, Roberts writes for the majority and struck down California's law requiring donors to non-profits to disclose their identities to the state. However, rather than narrowly applying it, the court broadly rejects it in a way that the dissent points out squarely endangers the existence of electoral donation reporting and disclosure and very much opens them up to be challenged and struck down.

Longer Versions:

VRA: Alito writes the majority here and we've got gems such as "the racial disparity in burdens allegedly caused by the out-of-precinct policy is small in absolute terms" straight up arguing that even though it impacted Hispanic, black, and Native Americans at over twice the rate of white voters that "yeah but it wasn't that many people." Then we've got the atrocious, "Even if the plaintiffs were able to demonstrate a disparate burden caused by HB 2023, the State's 'compelling interest in preserving the integrity of its election procedures' would suffice to avoid [Section] 2 liability." straight-up saying that even if voter restrictions have a disproportionate impact along racial lines it's fine because the state says it's trying to prevent voter fraud. It even has the gall to cite that GOP fraud case in North Carolina's 2018 race as a reason why Arizona has a compelling interest to enact such laws. It then address (and blows off) the fact that there was no voter fraud found in Arizona as irrelevant. They also go, "Well, this section of the law was last amended in 1982 and there wasn't much absentee voting back then so we doubt any of this applies much to absentee voting" as if things are frozen in time. Also that even if a state fucks around with one method of voting it's okay because you have to consider the other methods to vote which maybe weren't fucked up.

Donors: I find it ironic that after just claiming that screaming voter fraud even though it's a fucking lie is apparently a fully legitimate interest of the state to enact voter restrictions even if they disproportionately affect minorities that here Roberts here is turning around to go "We do not doubt the California has an important interest in preventing wrongdoing by charitable organizations. It goes without saying that there is a 'substantial governmental interest in protecting the public from fraud'" and then go but..... and dismiss it as not what was really going on here. Like literally having the balls to come out here and basically go "the rights of money are stronger than the right to vote." Also that money doesn't have to show or demonstrate actual harm in a darkly amusing callback to the ruling we talked about the other day.

In summary, it feels like getting whiplash from seeing the turnaround the court uses in its arguments to get to their rulings here. Even more so taking the past few cases we've talked about here into consideration. Not a surprise given how the legacy of the Roberts court is likely to be its erosion of voting rights and infusion of unlimited dark money into politics.

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LordoftheMorons
07/01/21 7:10:45 PM
#226:


xp1337 posted...
Meanwhile, at SCOTUS - last decisions of the term will be released Thursday. Includes a case on the Voting Rights Act and another on a law requiring donor-disclosement. Never a great sign when Roberts saves these kind of cases for the very last day. I'm expecting the worst here.

In "better" news, SCOTUS just rejected a petition by a realtors' association to lift the federal eviction moratorium. 5-4. Roberts, Kavanaugh, and the 3 liberals denied them. I say "better" because Kavanaugh goes out of his way to write a concurrence saying he agrees with the realtors' association here but the moratorium expires on July 31 so he thinks it'll just solve itself in a month no need to complicate things by abruptly lifting it now when it'll be gone in a month. So despite voting to keep it in place, it's really only by technicality - in substance he would have axed it. So there's basically zero chance of getting it extended now because Kavanaugh is straight-up saying he'll kill it if the Biden Administration extends it... so it'd be up to Congress and this wouldn't be an issue you could throw under reconciliation I think so... filibuster.
Oh yeah I meant to comment on this

I actually think this one was right since the CDC claiming the authority to enact the moratorium is a pretty huge claim of executive power for something that really isn't in their purview, and it seems like it could be very dangerous if other agencies used similar logic in future. The authority to do something like that really should lie with Congress.

Today's cases suck of course.

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Suprak the Stud
07/01/21 10:43:41 PM
#227:


xp1337 posted...
SCOTUS out with those rulings as I mentioned the other day.

Both 6-3 partisan splits and both awful decisions.

Shorter versions for those who don't want to read my rambling on the cases:

For the VRA case, this court once again hacks away at it - this time narrowing the applicability of the only provision of it still in effect after their previous hacking - and ruled to uphold the voter restrictions the GOP put in place in Arizona.

For the donor-disclosure case, Roberts writes for the majority and struck down California's law requiring donors to non-profits to disclose their identities to the state. However, rather than narrowly applying it, the court broadly rejects it in a way that the dissent points out squarely endangers the existence of electoral donation reporting and disclosure and very much opens them up to be challenged and struck down.

Longer Versions:

VRA: Alito writes the majority here and we've got gems such as "the racial disparity in burdens allegedly caused by the out-of-precinct policy is small in absolute terms" straight up arguing that even though it impacted Hispanic, black, and Native Americans at over twice the rate of white voters that "yeah but it wasn't that many people." Then we've got the atrocious, "Even if the plaintiffs were able to demonstrate a disparate burden caused by HB 2023, the State's 'compelling interest in preserving the integrity of its election procedures' would suffice to avoid [Section] 2 liability." straight-up saying that even if voter restrictions have a disproportionate impact along racial lines it's fine because the state says it's trying to prevent voter fraud. It even has the gall to cite that GOP fraud case in North Carolina's 2018 race as a reason why Arizona has a compelling interest to enact such laws. It then addresses (and blows off) the fact that there was no voter fraud found in Arizona as irrelevant. They also go, (Paraphrased) "Well, this section of the law was last amended in 1982 and there wasn't much absentee voting back then so we doubt any of this applies much to absentee voting" as if things are frozen in time. Also that even if a state fucks around with one method of voting it's okay because you have to consider the other methods to vote which maybe weren't fucked up.

Donors: I find it ironic that after just claiming that screaming voter fraud even though it's a fucking lie is apparently a fully legitimate interest of the state to enact voter restrictions even if they disproportionately affect minorities that here Roberts here is turning around to go "We do not doubt the California has an important interest in preventing wrongdoing by charitable organizations. It goes without saying that there is a 'substantial governmental interest in protecting the public from fraud'" and then go but..... and dismiss it as not what was really going on here. Like literally having the balls to come out here and basically go "the rights of money are stronger than the right to vote." Also that money doesn't have to show or demonstrate actual harm in a darkly amusing callback to the ruling we talked about the other day.

In summary, it feels like getting whiplash from seeing the turnaround the court uses in its arguments to get to their rulings here. Even more so taking the past few cases we've talked about here into consideration. Not a surprise given how the legacy of the Roberts court is likely to be its erosion of voting rights and infusion of unlimited dark money into politics.

Im sorry but this cant be true as I have it on good authority that both candidates from 2016 were equally bad.

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PerfectChaosZ
07/01/21 11:15:52 PM
#228:


God whats even the point of talking politics at this point. Theyre just openly corrupt and do whatever they want at this point with barely a justification. We literally cant do anything but be outraged about it time and time again. It all seems so pointless.
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ChaosTonyV4
07/01/21 11:24:46 PM
#229:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Im sorry but this cant be true as I have it on good authority that both candidates from 2016 were equally bad.

The Dems dont seem concerned enough about buckling down and doing shit people will want to vote for them over to be snide like this tbh, because even though Joe IS better than Trump, a whole hell of a lot of good it does us if he literally just delays the inevitable total control of Republicans.

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KamikazePotato
07/01/21 11:27:37 PM
#230:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
God whats even the point of talking politics at this point. Theyre just openly corrupt and do whatever they want at this point with barely a justification. We literally cant do anything but be outraged about it time and time again. It all seems so pointless.
For us? There's not much of a point. I'm pretty sure 95% of this topic is never voting R again.

Theoretically speaking, the point of outrage news is to reach people who don't know any better. Appeals to emotion work better than appeals to logic. Seeing the 1% consistently fuck over everyone else should spur voters to stop supporting politicians who are completely in bed with them.

I mean it barely works as people openly vote against their own interests time and time again, but the theory is there!

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xp1337
07/01/21 11:37:09 PM
#231:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Im sorry but this cant be true as I have it on good authority that both candidates from 2016 were equally bad.
It's "funny" because Thomas writes a concurrence to the donor disclosure case that, summarized, is basically, "I don't think this court has the power to so broadly declare this law unconstitutional in the manner that Roberts is saying... but I'm cool with the end result so eh."

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Suprak the Stud
07/01/21 11:39:08 PM
#232:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
The Dems dont seem concerned enough about buckling down and doing shit people will want to vote for them over to be snide like this tbh, because even though Joe IS better than Trump, a whole hell of a lot of good it does us if he literally just delays the inevitable total control of Republicans.

I dont disagree that Democrats arent doing enough but that isnt what that post was about. Im saying the manchildren that were crying in 2016 about dont threaten me over the Supreme Court because it doesnt matter were every bit the petulant children for sitting the election out that we thought they were and have zero right to complain about this ruling.

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Suprak the Stud
07/01/21 11:40:00 PM
#233:


xp1337 posted...
It's "funny" because Thomas writes a concurrence to the donor disclosure case that, summarized, is basically, "I don't think this court has the power to so broadly declare this law unconstitutional in the manner that Roberts is saying... but I'm cool with the end result so eh."

At least Manchin can sleep sound at night knowing the Supreme Court isnt politicized!

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KamikazePotato
07/01/21 11:41:53 PM
#234:


Remember when everyone has hyped because the wins in Georgia tied the Senate?

Those were the days

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Suprak the Stud
07/01/21 11:43:33 PM
#235:


I personally look forward to Breyer refusing to retire and dying one year into an Eric Trump presidency at this point.

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07/01/21 11:44:18 PM
#236:


Suprak the Stud posted...
At least Manchin can sleep sound at night knowing the Supreme Court isnt politicized!

oh wait
Kavanaugh and Barrett are actually the only ones of the other 5 conservatives who don't write/join a concurrence where they question some of Roberts' reasoning and choose to opt-out of bits of his opinion! (Though the one by Alito and Gorsuch isn't exactly helpful if I'm reading it right!)

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KamikazePotato
07/01/21 11:47:30 PM
#237:


From what I can tell based on this topic, Kavanaugh seems to be one of the less-shitty conservative judges on the SCOTUS (as far as decisions go), and that's terrifying

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ChaosTonyV4
07/02/21 12:29:26 AM
#238:


Suprak the Stud posted...
I dont disagree that Democrats arent doing enough but that isnt what that post was about. Im saying the manchildren that were crying in 2016 about dont threaten me over the Supreme Court because it doesnt matter were every bit the petulant children for sitting the election out that we thought they were and have zero right to complain about this ruling.

Lol I guess, but I dont see the point of this position when like 5 times as many people voted for Gary Johnson, why are the minority of withheld Dem voters to blame and not Hillary for never visiting Wisconsin?

I know this is annoying, but its also annoying that this circular shit never ends.

Even if Hillary won the election, do you think the modern Democratic Party successfully fills those court seats without a majority? We might be in the early days of President Ted Cruz right now. Fuck.


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xp1337
07/02/21 12:33:11 AM
#239:


why specify modern democratic party

is there some version of the party that can run the senate without a majority? seems kinda op, how did they ever lose power?

also:

ChaosTonyV4 posted...
why are the minority of withheld Dem voters to blame and not Hillary for never visiting Wisconsin?
why_not_both.jpg

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ChaosTonyV4
07/02/21 12:38:40 AM
#240:


xp1337 posted...
why specify modern democratic party

is there some version of the party that can run the senate without a majority? seems kinda op, how did they ever lose power?

I dunno man, ask the GOP

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kevwaffles
07/02/21 6:41:44 AM
#242:


Hillary was plenty criticized for never visiting Wisconsin, and rightfully so.

The difference is that a bad campaigning decision isn't indicative of any long-term ideological decisions. That's why no one pops up to defend it either.

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masterplum
07/02/21 7:21:44 AM
#243:


KamikazePotato posted...
Remember when everyone has hyped because the wins in Georgia tied the Senate?

Those were the days

Do you realize the cluster we would have otherwise

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Maniac64
07/02/21 9:13:44 AM
#244:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Even if Hillary won the election, do you think the modern Democratic Party successfully fills those court seats without a majority? We might be in the early days of President Ted Cruz right now. Fuck.
Two of them yes.

Garland would have been put in quickly after the election and RGB would have retired early in the term and also likely gotten replaced with a moderate.

Would they replace them with a really liberal candidate? Probably not, but another Garland level candidate would be a big improvement

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xp1337
07/02/21 9:23:01 AM
#245:


I think that's up in the air. You already had a number of Republican Senators before the 2016 election (hell, I think even McCain was one of them) saying they would not allow Clinton to fill any vacancies - including the already vacant seat they were holding up for a historic amount of time already.

It really depends on how hardball McConnell played it. Like maybe the Romney/Collins/Murkowski crew crosses over and puts it over 50 for Garland/a moderate for RBG... but like also maybe McConnell reinstates the judicial filibuster to get ahead of that and they just pretend "welp we couldn't get to 60 how sad."

I'm just saying that no Democratic Party could do shit about it. Attaching "modern" as a qualifier implies otherwise.

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07/02/21 10:29:36 AM
#246:


Also, we haven't really talked about it much and I get why because this is really just the opening act and Weisselberg might not flip, etc.

But lmao

https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/1410689776743821319

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5688526f8db47ef83ecd611d67a00ed8/tenor.gif

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Forceful_Dragon
07/02/21 10:32:44 AM
#247:


It can be difficult to remember how much fraud you've committed if you don't keep thorough notes.

Smort.

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ChaosTonyV4
07/02/21 10:56:21 AM
#248:


Maniac64 posted...
Two of them yes.

Garland would have been put in quickly after the election and RGB would have retired early in the term and also likely gotten replaced with a moderate.

Would they replace them with a really liberal candidate? Probably not, but another Garland level candidate would be a big improvement

When they wouldnt let Obama do it, why do you think theyd let Hillary?

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Inviso
07/02/21 10:58:03 AM
#249:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
When they wouldnt let Obama do it, why do you think theyd let Hillary?

Or Bernie, if we're talking hypotheticals.

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Mewtwo59
07/02/21 11:01:08 AM
#250:


The judicial filibuster for Supreme Court justices was still a thing until McConnell killed it to get Gorsuch confirmed, so the Democrats weren't getting a nominee confirmed unless they got at least 50 senators. And as we've seen in the last 6 months, that might not have even been enough.
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07/02/21 11:31:09 AM
#251:


Ah, right. Mixed up my timeline there. You're right.

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