Board 8 > [VGMC] Video Game Music Contest 15 - Bracket Discussion and Results Thread!!

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Toxtricity
05/05/21 9:17:44 PM
#1:


where is the bracelet

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WHERE BRAKCET here brackt

Important links
Bracket: https://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=474630
Contest info sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16XAaBMDuUnQ4c5AxQNL9ZhvD7VG5kQyrXWWZxnkrn-o
Main bracket playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLT3m7iohpL0xt7lOF1eB-H4NpAaF1yAnU
Discord: https://discord.gg/WDvMS4a
Last years spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VNrPnFRI7nJ4PqFiURBW0NWqxvXiuasoq8Sn_O169ss
VGMC total stats sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K1XdLWiUKB2kX99qYBgnRbLU_sCz4dvZSByKKJHCT6o

How do I vote??
Every day we'll be posting three head-to-head matches for a total of six songs. It's as simple as listening completely through both songs in a given match, then posting your vote for your favorite! So long as you complete the very important "listen completely through" you can even just vote in a few matches. We'll be posting the loop points on all the songs in the topic so you know exactly how long you have to listen for to hear all of them. Voting will be up for a full 24 hours from the second the day's topic is posted, and closes after 24 hours on the dot. Be careful!!

If you anticipate being away for a few days, feel free to post advance votes either here in this thread, or send them via DM to one of your hosts! (@banshiryuu or @Toxtricity)

When're we starting!?
It's coming fast!! Day 1 will go up 10pm Eastern on Monday, May 10th!! That's right, we're not gonna beat around the bust and keep ya'll waiting. If you'd like to do predictions in the bracketmaker, you'll have five days then to get predictions in before we start. But only Bracket A will be closed off, so you've got some time yet.

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Thank you to AZUARC for passing the torch onto me and deo! and teaching the ropes on bracket-making and all that. You gave us a foundation to build from, and I hope we can continue from that foundation to make something as fun as possible for everyone. You've been wonderful to us and helped keep us on two feet with all your experience. We wouldn't be able to host this contest without you!

and a shout out to ed for starting this whole thing ~15 years ago. I can't believe it has been this many years! We wouldn't be able to host this contest without you!

Thanks ya'll, hope this VGMC is a fun one for everyone!!!

I LOVE VIDEO GAME MUSIC
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banshiryuu
05/05/21 9:18:07 PM
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wtf blanket
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th3l3fty
05/05/21 9:18:25 PM
#3:


the fun has arrived
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azuarc
05/05/21 9:22:50 PM
#4:


wear bucket

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pyresword
05/05/21 9:23:17 PM
#5:


tag
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PIayer_0
05/05/21 9:31:36 PM
#6:


WE'RE BUTTKICK yeah

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xp1337
05/05/21 9:33:16 PM
#7:


Toxtricity posted...
WHERE BRAKCET here brackt
there goes bracket

*Children of the City v Apex of the World R1*

No, seriously. There goes bracket make a new one. >_>

(also string theocracy v shackled wolves. wow this manufactured Three Houses v Library of Ruina rivalry!!!)

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TheArkOfTurus
05/05/21 9:35:26 PM
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I appreciate the fact that The First Thing is the first thing.

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NFUN
05/05/21 9:37:24 PM
#9:


wheres bracket

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cakophon
05/05/21 10:02:00 PM
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AHHHH they made bucket real

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Earthshaker
05/05/21 10:34:44 PM
#11:


Oh dear.

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HasteDeux
05/05/21 10:53:53 PM
#12:


Yay for brake it! Oops, I mean, fixit because it's not broken when it's put together by deo and Tox.

Oh boy, one of my PMD beloveds has to face a long time vet, noooooo. =O

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NFUN
05/05/21 11:07:01 PM
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HasteDeux posted...
Oh boy, one of my PMD beloveds has to face a long time vet, noooooo. =O
"Oh boy, one of my PMD beloveds has to face a song that repeatedly has failed to retire, noooooo"

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Janus5k
05/05/21 11:07:07 PM
#14:


oh no

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pyresword
05/05/21 11:50:36 PM
#15:


Favorites bracket completed. This could change when I give everything a proper listen in the contest itself, but anyway my retirees:

Bracket A: Kasaneawase no Nekobako < Anistar City > Rain Formerly Known as Purple > Weight of the World

Bracket B: Tellur Town (Autumn) < You Were There > The Best is yet to Come > The Undying Shores

Bracket C: Kill Command < To the Distant Sky > Karma > Calling

Bracket D: La Follia d'Amore < World's End Valentine > Blue Line > Best of Times

I'm sure I'm not going to be let down here. Impossible.
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PIayer_0
05/07/21 12:09:16 AM
#16:


Finished some quick favs brackets:

A: Cradle > Vengeful God (duh)
B: Apex of the World > Best Is Yet to Come
C: I'm Back to Rise > Kimi ga Tame
D: Besaid > Spurred into Flight

I am *somewhat* confident that I can actually get one of my bracket retirees to retire this year. Feel like I have some good candidates in Apex of the World, Fogbeasts, Id ~ Purpose (yes really), and Paradise (Stay Forever).

Once again, I don't see any R1 matches that are death for me, but each bracket definitely has a matchup where I wish both songs could move on!

A: Rain Formerly Known As Purple/Twelfth Chapter (for the record, I do not like Exhausted)
B: Stay Gold/Wheels of Aurelia AND RFTM/Gentle Slope (wtf)
C: Shackled Wolves/String Theocracy (I still have Apex so I guess this is okay)
D: A Beautiful Song/Give Me (great match of contrasts, not so great for me)

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xp1337
05/07/21 12:25:38 AM
#17:


Not thinking about it very hard don't hold me remotely to this favorites bracket:

A: CIEL_N_PROTECTA; > SEN ~ Kono Hana Saku ya
B: Children of the City > QuelI -> EX[cez] -> {kranz};
C: Kimi ga Tame Re:boot > Shackled Wolves
D: Iron Lotus > DNF FW15C

something like that

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KCF0107
05/07/21 1:32:12 AM
#18:


One day, someone is going to post a wishful thinking bracket that includes a nom of mine.
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azuarc
05/07/21 1:34:49 AM
#19:


I'll let you know when I do D3.

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Toxtricity
05/07/21 9:57:40 AM
#20:


here were my "favorite brackets" that wont happen or come close to happening but lets see. were made pretty quickly and haphazardly tho and i'm likely to vote very different from what shows up there

a
12th ch < obstacle < kohri > altered genos

b
gentle slope cave < optical mode < evenk > id

c
digifamily < tactical field < natural life a > duality

d
bahram < tron's castle < axis pillar > legacy

i will say, all these are pretty close.

a
-almost had altered genos take a
-untamed heart could be there in place of obstacle and if so would've beat 12th chapter as well

b
-sogno di volare could be there in place of id (r2 matchup); and either could take evenk's place in the right mood
-onegonjou is a contender on that side too
-gentle slope cave vs optical mode was basically a coin flip, as was ikou vs gentle slope cave, and monolith gate vs optical mode

jeez bracket b is stacked for me

c
ok this one's actually pretty solid no-questions how i want it

d
-tron's castle could have either rival-omega or in the doldrums in its place, depending on earlier basically coinflips.
-444 could be in bahram's place there. possibly liber ark too, maybe colress.

axis pillar is my favorite in the contest, and legacy is the nom of mine i have most attachment to. no questions on the right side.
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azuarc
05/07/21 2:24:03 PM
#21:


Okay, after 2 days of concentrated listening, I think we're finally done.

Bracket A:

noteworthy - was very soft on A3 between Fogbeasts, Steam Gardens, and Kobe City, but they were all weaker than like 6 songs in A4. Then I got excited about 14.3 Billion Years and took it over all of those songs...before getting sick of listening to it during the semi.

Bracket B:

Noteworthy - none of these songs would have been my guess if I had looked at the bracket at the start. Tellur Town I'd heard before but never appreciated. Way of the Monk is new to me. I assumed Octopunch would win B2 and there was nothing I was especially in love with in B3.

Bracket C:

Noteworthy - By contrast, the left side here went exactly like I would have guessed. Tonitrus had to go through rhythm-changer and Rising Up to get here, though, which could flip if/when the matches come up. Unfinished Business was a pleasant surprise, and a couple days ago, so was Calling.

Bracket D:

Noteworthy - Greenpath has a rough 4-pack. Smooth after that. Rush Hour held off a Mexican food aficionado. D3 is all about Cosmic Hero vs Connexion. D4, I'm kind of over Eleganza, so this became Genesis vs Best of Times. Best of Times is never going to win that match heads-up regardless of which song is better. Could have gone either way in this final four, but finally decided on this, which ought to make @KCF0107 happy.

Final four:
??? (didn't really think about it, and I'm not sure I want to)


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trdl23
05/07/21 3:47:08 PM
#22:


Damn, that was fast. Nice work!

Time to put on my villain hat and complain about B8 favorites like I usually do.

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HasteDeux
05/08/21 12:58:32 AM
#23:


3/4 of the way through favorites-picking for Bracket 1! I'm finally listening to the music all the way through without exception! Comments along the way...

First quadrant: whoops, not a great four-pack to start the contest off with. But then the rest of them are really good! Average rating = 8.04!

Second quadrant: Whoooooaaaaa, lots of great music here! Average rating 8.29! At this rate, this contest certainly has the strongest field we have EVER seen! 8/32 tracks at a 9.0 rating or higher! o_O

Third quadrant: What happened?! What a stinker this part of the bracket is! Granted, I knew there was a lot of music I don't like that got in... they had to show up sometime. Average rating: 6.76 :[

Winners of those are currently linkage alter, Fairfrozen, and Anistar City, with a special HM to Twelfth Chapter, which is my second favorite of the 48 I've rated! I'll get to the fourth quadrant plus more tomorrow.

Will get to the fourth quadrant tomorrow.


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Arti
05/08/21 1:17:30 AM
#24:


I really like some of these favorite brackets. Let's just pick one at random and skip the contest ok

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FL81
05/08/21 1:33:04 AM
#25:


Faves bracket THOUGHTS like everyone else is doing right now

Bracket A:
Dear Dragon < Nefertiti < Rose-Killing Carmilla > The Butterfly's Temptation

Of my 16 total tracks for my brackets' top four placements, Dear Dragon was the only one I forgot was even there. A2 is kind of a weak quadrant so it didn't have any trouble reaching that point. I STILL REALLY LIKE IT, it's more of a "FL81 new tastes" song, where these other three are classic "FL81 old tastes".

Bracket B:
Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke < Unrest - The End of the Raging Waves > Fateful Confrontation > POINT OF NO RETURN

Continuing the tradition of "Bracket B is always stacked" and ending the tradition of "FL81 always puts RftM as the winner of one of the bracket divisions". Fun fact, I actually nominated none of these top four songs! If things play out, I may be feeding a lot of my new recent tunes to old favorites. >_>

Bracket C:
MARIA < Rising Up > Gokinjo Boukentai Battle > Gallant Gunshot

All stuff that is very much what people have come to expect of my tastes. Space Mode vs. MARIA is my least favorite R1 match, I want them both to win

Bracket D:
Sim Broadway < Speartip of Judgment < XaaaCi. > Eleganza

Conversely, these aren't really "standard" for my tastes, but rather all fit in to the very specific type of "weird" that I like. XaaaCi seems a bit "experimental" for a VGMC pick since I don't know how well something like this will be received, but I totally love it. Add in Axis Pillar and Liber Ark too, guess the whole bracket fits that same vibe for me. Also, VERY VERY HAPPY to see Sim Broadway in a VGMC, I always loved that song!!

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UF8
05/08/21 3:22:33 AM
#26:


oh yeah here's my final 4s i guess. made sure to give everything a full listen through without skipping since i was very guilty of that in noms (went for tsunami-levels of like, 5 seconds on some songs then...)


a1 had a lot of unfortunate spots. a2 has a lot of even more unfortunate spots (for my supports, not keen on seeing dear dragon job to hades music i don't like). liked almost everything in a3... and a4 is lopsided to put it kindly

accidentally took gsc to r4 instead of fftb (poor madness in that 4pack too...). some super strong stuff theoretically in ikou's half of b2 too. despite picking immanence for b3, it's the first half of b3 that was stacked. (no comment on b4, sorry bfnyc and exhaustion). wtf is b1 tho

c3 first half is busted. 1 and 2 had some good highlights (sorry rising up, roll me in, ekoroshia, digifam, continue that future, big ride and distant sky). c4 is largely whatever, still feel sorry for grand finale which got duality r1 of all places
and finally d

hello it is me the only person taking speartip past r3 i think because of course i would. sorry to besaid. didn't expect i'd take danger this far especially with colress and so many other things in d2. first half of d3 follows the example of every other 3 pretty much with the first half being just stupid. not looking forward to flightless dominating all of that... and d4 is just dnf zone because of course. dreams in a pie, strange sunset and i guess also mahoujin deserved better
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FL81
05/08/21 10:19:34 AM
#27:


wow uf8 good bracket d picks

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-hotdogturtle--
05/08/21 10:19:48 AM
#28:


Tag, I haven't followed anything since the lock period since New Pokemon Snap came out immediately after that.

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Toxtricity
05/08/21 11:52:20 AM
#29:


in case anyone is interested, here's a snapshot of some of what me and deo constructing the bracket looked like

in general, i placed down all the matches, and in my placement considered the factors listed above (spreading out series, spreading out tracks that have the same initial nominator, spreading out style categories like chiptunes, while generally trying to create engaging matchups and bracket flow at the same time. seeding was also a factor, but treated very loosely & taken with a grain of salt since the influx of new people this year makes stuff like that very unpredictable anyway)

then deo would go through and look to see if there were any conflicts where the same person supported both songs in a round 1 match. which felt like nearly half the time. whenever there was a conflict we'd re-arrange it, which might fix some conflicts but then create new ones. but we kept re-arranging it repeatedly until all of those r1 supporter overlap conflicts were down to zero! that took a ridiculous amount of time, and toward the end, we were basically just trying to figure out how to place one single song for 2 hours (oninaki - battle -threat-!!!) without it creating new conflicts. we eventually got it, but that was crazy to try to do manually. HUGE thanks to deo for pushing me to go that far, i wasn't planning on going that far since it isn't usually considered worth it or a realistic goal, but he was willing to put in all that extra manual cross-checking work to check every single match for conflicts, and it payed off

that said i think this is the first time any vgmc has gone that far to avoid conflicts in someone supporting both songs in a round 1 match! last year me and azu kinda tried but really just focused on initial nominator, and before that it pretty much wasn't a factor. so for any of the flaws this bracket has in any other way (questionable seeding, STILL having conflicts in songs someone "would have supported" facing r1, bracket sections particularly weak/strong sounding to specific people, etc) at least we can say we managed to do that hahaha

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UF8
05/08/21 3:12:31 PM
#30:


FL81 posted...
wow uf8 good bracket d picks
oops i guess i wasn't the only speartip person (in my defense, i'd kept this topic open since about 5 hours prior so your post wasn't there when i posted)
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UF8
05/08/21 3:21:50 PM
#31:


also how long actually was spent on it this time, certainly seems like it was probably a lot longer than last time based on my memory of last time lmao

granted i only got to volunteer on a small portion of that since i wasn't really invited to be fair
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Toxtricity
05/08/21 3:49:12 PM
#32:


i dunno the actual total duration of time spent added up. but it was definitely a lot longer as i was working on it nonstop all day with few breaks on the days i was working on it, which iirc i didn't really do even close to in helping az during 13-14

the bracket came out faster i think, but more time was probably spent if you count it all up, simply just because of how it was made too (and being 256 instead of 192)

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azuarc
05/08/21 4:36:24 PM
#33:


Toxtricity posted...
the bracket came out faster i think, but more time was probably spent if you count it all up

That depends on if you count the time spent evaluating the songs. That tends to be a very slow gradual process for me, regardless of accuracy. I think the first three days were spent just listening to the field and getting them seeded and lightly categorized. My guess is you probably pre-listened to most of the locks this year since there was a substantial layover. Plus both of you can grind out a list like that much quicker than I can.

Then you and I got into some discussion about seeding before we started to place things, particularly on tracks where you needed to set me straight on anything I misrepresented. (Granted that went both ways, but ostensibly the reason you were helping was specifically for that purpose.)

Only then did we start placements. I spread out the top seeds, then tagged out and let you place some. I forget if you went bottom-up or picked up where I left off. But I know I tagged back in and did a huge chunk. We were fairly equally culpable for bracket placements. This part went pretty briskly. Once we began, I think it was only a few hours total. Most of the time was in the prep work.

Then we stared at it for obvious conflicts. UF8 suggested a few repositions. The two of you made some final adjustments before we "published" it.

Toxtricity posted...
gone that far to avoid conflicts in someone supporting both songs in a round 1 match! ...so for any of the flaws this bracket has in any other way...at least we can say we managed to do that hahaha

I've said this several times in discord, but since not everyone is there, I'm going to repeat here that I'm very impressed with that level of attention to detail. I don't think I would have ever dreamed of laboring that intensely over the bracket given how much else I described above that it takes just to get to that point, and how much raw data there is to try to accommodate. I don't think those other "flaws" are going to be very noticeable, tbh, and they're certainly no more present than they would have been in the past. Probably far less.

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Flamander
05/08/21 5:12:06 PM
#34:


okay! faves bracket time

BRACKET A
Planet Wisp Act 1 < Roar of the Jungle Dragon > Cradle > Hope Given "Dance of the Dog's Howl"

BRACKET B
Point of No Return < GTR Attack! > Collapsing Rift > Children of the City

BRACKET C
Bound Together < You're Not Here > DigiFamily > Roll Me In

BRACKET D
Sunjammer Midnight Special < Dreams In A Pie > Sky of Twilight > Bahram Attack -Nekomata Master Remix-

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DoctorJimmy133
05/08/21 6:07:40 PM
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The Heritors of Arcadia < Ryoshima Coast < Cradle > Fogbeasts

OPTICAL MODE < Apex of the World (Rain) > Id (Purpose) > EVENK

The Battle Was Just "To Continue That Future" < Kill Command > Pursuit ~ Lying Coldly > High Above the Land

Sky of Twilight < Danger (ARM version) < Final Wishes of the Mist > DNF FW15C (ALL PHASE MIX)

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Apex of the World (Rain) < Cradle < Kill Command > Final Wishes of the Mist

Almost everything I'm retiring is either Fire Emblem or nonstop overstimulating ADHD bounciness

At least I have a pretty clear picture of my taste in VGM lmao

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Toxtricity
05/08/21 6:20:35 PM
#36:


DoctorJimmy133 posted...
Almost everything I'm retiring is either Fire Emblem or nonstop overstimulating ADHD bounciness
does this mean that Desire Below (Flow) is your favorite fire emblem song?

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tgs2
05/08/21 7:18:04 PM
#37:


More faves brackets

A: linkage-alter < Class::CIEL_N_PROTECTA < Fogbeasts < Ice-Covered Love ~ Kohri

B: Dreamy and Boisterous Holy Land > You Were There > A Long Fall > Balance Slays the Demon

C: Pioneer's Horizon < Breath of Forest < Xepher > IMAGE -MATERIAL-

D: World's End Valentine < Rush Hour > Blue Line Instrumental > Dreams in a Pie

Final Four: Ice-Covered Love ~ Kohri < Dreamy and Boisterous Holy Land < Xepher > Rush Hour

Special shoutout to Pioneer's Horizon/Kimi ga tame Re:boot for being the hardest match to pick in the entire bracket.

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DoctorJimmy133
05/08/21 8:37:46 PM
#38:


Toxtricity posted...
does this mean that Desire Below (Flow) is your favorite fire emblem song?
...uh

Yes

I hadnt even really thought about that before but thats totally it

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HasteDeux
05/09/21 12:38:24 AM
#39:


Thank you for giving us time to fill out Bracket B, C, and D. The nice thing is that as I fill them out I can rate each song, meaning I can have a list of rankings for each of the four brackets! (trying to rank all 256 of them before the contest starts is too much for me....)

The fourth quadrant of Bracket A sucked, as well. 6.8 average rating :[ Overall, bracket A I've given an average of... a 7.45 rating. For all of VGMC 14 my average was 7.51. Even though my VGMC 14 ratings were in some cases not very accurate, I suppose I could say that, so far, it appears that VGMC 15 has just about matched VGMC 14 so far! Makes me excited!

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FL81
05/09/21 1:16:48 AM
#40:


UF8 posted...
oops i guess i wasn't the only speartip person (in my defense, i'd kept this topic open since about 5 hours prior so your post wasn't there when i posted)
I didn't even notice your Speartip comment when I replied! I just thought it was amusing we both had the same winner and runner-up for Bracket D.

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banshiryuu
05/09/21 1:53:47 AM
#41:


UF8 posted...
hello it is me the only person taking speartip past r3 i think because of course i would.

speartip vs pursuit is like the hardest matchup in all of r1 for me LOL i chose pursuit in the moment but idk if i will when vote time actually comes

after that literally only sky of twilight/rival omega (r1 opponents) in round 3 could stand in its path to round 5 so if those drop out in round 2... smooth sailin
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UF8
05/09/21 3:40:21 AM
#42:


banshiryuu posted...
sky of twilight/rival omega (r1 opponents) in round 3 could stand in its path to round 5 so if those drop out in round 2... smooth sailin
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UF8
05/09/21 3:42:41 AM
#43:


next year i'm going to just pick one murasaki song and it will be rainbow colours and if everyone hates that too i'm giving up on getting watson songs in
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FL81
05/11/21 2:02:35 AM
#44:


It has BEGUN

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azuarc
05/11/21 9:16:59 AM
#45:


Day 1: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/79452633

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banshiryuu
05/11/21 10:25:24 PM
#46:


Aaaaaand that's a wrap! Closing up Day 1 with a whopping 74 votes... which, as our VGMC historians in Discord have pointed out to us, is the third highest vote count in VGMC history!! What the heck!!! (Only two matches higher? Both in endgame VGMC1 lol)

The First Thing 31 v 43 Nefertiti (Ver.MMXI)
National Park 44 v 29 Reach for the Moon, Immortal Smoke (14.5)
Collapsed Expressway 48 v 26 The Heritors of Arcadia

Day 2: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/79454425
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HasteDeux
05/11/21 10:30:13 PM
#47:


Holy votals!

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"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
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FL81
05/11/21 11:00:05 PM
#48:


those vote totals really did reach for the moon

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neothewoodman
05/11/21 11:26:25 PM
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this is my first time ever doing this and i am enjoying it, it seems like a lot of work so thank you to everyone behind this for doing this!!!

anyways i was really happy that Merican Yo-kai was able to get locked cause it's like "wow people like this song" cause most of the time people tell me yo-kai watch music sucks. cant wait for it to lose round 1 baby!!!
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Mac Arrowny
05/12/21 12:39:10 AM
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Tag
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All the stars in the sky are waiting for you.
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