Board 8 > In general what is your stance on abortion?

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which one

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I'm pro actually giving children that are born free health care. So I'm going to say I'm more "pro life" than people that actually define themselves as pro life while also being pro choice.

Which ironically, not bankrupting people with health care costs for children would probably cause less abortions.

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red13n posted...

I'm pro actually paying for children that are born to have health care. So I'm going to say I'm more "pro life" than people that actually define themselves as pro life while also being pro choice.

Which ironically, not bankrupting people with health care costs for children would probably cause less abortions.

well said dude

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Actually I said it horribly and mangled like 3 different sentences in my brain because I was multitasking and coming back to the post after typing and then doing something else.

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Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
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Pro Choice, but Anti Abortion

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Abortion should be legal
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BetrayedTangy posted...

Pro Choice, but Anti Abortion

KingButz posted...

Abortion should be legal

These two posts sum up how I feel perfectly

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Tampons, feminine hygiene products, condoms, and birth control should be free and handed out at schools.

Pro choice, but there should be a penalty for it
I mean yeah I know that for most people this is not taken lightly, and they feel bad for doing this which is punishment enough, but getting to this situation at the first place shows ignorance (not including rape, of course, which is totally not the fault of the victim, also not including "accidents" like a condom breaking)

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Pro-choice. Also pro-abortion.

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Nanis23 posted...

Pro choice, but there should be a penalty for it
I mean yeah I know that for most people this is not taken lightly, and they feel bad for doing this which is punishment enough, but getting to this situation at the first place shows ignorance (not including rape, of course, which is totally not the fault of the victim, also not including "accidents" like a condom breaking)

this is not pro-choice
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I think abortion should not only be legal and easily accessible, but also carry no social stigma whatsoever.

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Pro abortion

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Anti-choice, pro abortion

If youre pregnant, you get to spin a big wheel of fortune wheel and you can only get an abortion if it lands on abortion. You might win half of a Kia Sorento instead.
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Nanis23 posted...

Pro choice, but there should be a penalty for it
I mean yeah I know that for most people this is not taken lightly, and they feel bad for doing this which is punishment enough, but getting to this situation at the first place shows ignorance (not including rape, of course, which is totally not the fault of the victim, also not including "accidents" like a condom breaking)

They have to be called whores, spit on, cussed at with terrifying monster people with spit flying out of their mouth yelling at them as they walk in already; raped or not.

Nanis23 posted...

Pro choice, but there should be a penalty for it
I mean yeah I know that for most people this is not taken lightly, and they feel bad for doing this which is punishment enough, but getting to this situation at the first place shows ignorance (not including rape, of course, which is totally not the fault of the victim, also not including "accidents" like a condom breaking)

What should the penalty for your ignorance be?

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I'm pro not stinking up the forum with these Full Throttle esque politics-for-babies threads

Ive never really met a pro-life person, only pro-birth

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I'm pro not stinking up the forum with these Full Throttle esque politics-for-babies threads

Ive got bad news about what are big policies and talking points in still modern politics that people that run our country say.

PerfectChaosZ posted...

They have to be called whores, spit on, cussed at with terrifying monster people with spit flying out of their mouth yelling at them as they walk in already; raped or not.

I was more getting into a "fine" punishment but yeah ok, I guess because I was the one that made that post you feel obliged to take it to the extreme

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Nanis23 posted...

I was more getting into a "fine" punishment but yeah ok, I guess because I was the one that made that post you feel obliged to take it to the extreme

i think the post served to demonstrate how ridiculous your take was

anyway i'm very pro abortion, i wish more people had been aborted

Its not an extreme its a reality of the way things currently are? Oh, and you want to charge a fine or in other words only legal to rich people.

Pro choice, but only if abortion is mandatory in all situations.

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STElNER posted...

i think the post served to demonstrate how ridiculous your take was

anyway i'm very pro abortion, i wish more people had been aborted

OK so

Let's give a fine penalty for people not wearing a mask
But let's give a hug and a kiss to people that decided to fuck without a condom, and killing a human being in the process because they were careless/didn't care at the time because they were horny?

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I'm anti-life and anti-choice

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Nanis23 posted...

Let's give a fine penalty for people not wearing a mask
But let's give a hug and a kiss to people that decided to fuck without a condom, and killing a human being in the process because they were careless/didn't care at the time because they were horny?

Yes. You almost got it.

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now this thread is what i call a saturday night! sir, i'm gonna have to give you a citation for not having your politics flag properly displayed on your topic

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If you really dig into the conversation in private with almost any american, regardless of whether they reflexively say they're "pro-life" or "pro-choice", they all say and believe the same thing

that abortion is sad and should rarely be done, particularly past the first trimester, but there are clearly situations where it's not only sad but also necessary.

what it comes down to is whether the individual trusts women to make this tough appraisal about their life and their fetus's life privately.

the pro-life crowd does not, and is more afraid of a theoretical mustachio-twirling vixen getting deeply pregnant and aborting for jollies. the pro-choice crowd does, and is more afraid of lawmakers not having the nuance to regulate it properly, creating horrific situations where necessary abortions are blocked, or women are brought before weird tribunals after a traumatic decision to abort.

i'm discounting the truly psychotic religious nutjobs that believe jacking off or having your period or wearing a condom is a sin or whatever.

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Nanis23 posted...

OK so

Let's give a fine penalty for people not wearing a mask
But let's give a hug and a kiss to people that decided to fuck without a condom, and killing a human being in the process because they were careless/didn't care at the time because they were horny?

well the mask people are affecting people around them, while the abortion people are making a completely personal choice so yeah I say we stay out of that second situation completely

fining women for having abortions is just going to harm the women least prepared to raise a child. For rich people it would be no big deal, for poor women it would be a serious additional burden on an already difficult situation. Its just cruel.
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oh wow it took a whole 26 posts before someone was talking about "killing a human being" in an abortion topic.

i'm proud of you board 8.

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banananor posted...

now this thread is what i call a saturday night! sir, i'm gonna have to give you a citation for not having your politics flag properly displayed on your topic

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If you really dig into the conversation in private with almost any american, regardless of whether they reflexively say they're "pro-life" or "pro-choice", they all say and believe the same thing

that abortion is sad and should rarely be done, particularly past the first trimester, but there are clearly situations where it's not only sad but also necessary.

what it comes down to is whether the individual trusts women to make this tough appraisal about their life and their fetus's life privately.

the pro-life crowd does not, and is more afraid of a theoretical mustachio-twirling vixen getting deeply pregnant and aborting for jollies. the pro-choice crowd does, and is more afraid of lawmakers not having the nuance to regulate it properly, creating horrific situations where necessary abortions are blocked, or women are brought before weird tribunals after a traumatic decision to abort.

i'm discounting the truly psychotic religious nutjobs that believe jacking off or having your period or wearing a condom is a sin or whatever.

Topic could have ended right here. Sums it up pretty much perfectly.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

Its just cruel.

For real, just keep kicking them while they're already down.

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pro-accountability

no abortions unless you were raped or your health is in danger

red13n posted...

I'm pro actually giving children that are born free health care.

Agree with this. I'm pro-universal health care in general but especially for children

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I'm very conservative but pro-choice is one thing I can agree with liberals. Complete pro-choice in every situation. If the person is stupid enough to want an abortion, they're even more stupid to think they can raise a child, unless in forced situations like rape.

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It should be legal, and the idea of punishing the woman - either explicitly with "fines" or socially with ostracization - is outdated and cruel. No one has an abortion for funsies - the woman is already going through terrible trauma, and the last thing the rest of us should be doing is compounding her misery by treating her like a criminal or an outcast.

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GTM posted...

Ive never really met a pro-life person, only pro-birth

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Should be legal under all circumstances. Im all for reducing unintended pregnancies, though!

(Also I very much hope that everybody who calls themselves pro-life took that to include being responsible about covid instead of acting like wearing a mask was some kind of unreasonable burden)

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

It should be legal, and the idea of punishing the woman - either explicitly with "fines" or socially with ostracization - is outdated and cruel. No one has an abortion for funsies - the woman is already going through terrible trauma, and the last thing the rest of us should be doing is compounding her misery by treating her like a criminal or an outcast.

+1 to this too

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I think the only "fine" should be the price of the procedure, which is somewhat high and not something you'd want to incur when birth control methods cost a fraction. Don't really agree with it being covered by insurance or low income programs (aside from rape/health concern things)-- and if everyone had to pay that'd remove the whole "using it as birth control" strawman since there'd be no reason you'd want to as it dwarfs the cost. I do think low income people should be given a "freebie" though with an offer to get a program covered IUD after (with subsequent visits being charged if they don't) just to remove any ignorance concerns and let them evaluate the decision properly after that first reality check.

IUDs are super effective and at the very least covered by insurance (and should ideally be covered by low income stuff if it's not already). Yes some people have some side effects like severe menstrual bleeding but for those people you'd make an exception on abortions not being covered

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Lopen posted...

I think the only "fine" should be the price of the procedure, which is somewhat high and not something you'd want to incur when birth control methods cost a fraction. Don't really agree with it being covered by insurance or low income programs (aside from rape/health concern things)-- and if everyone had to pay that'd remove the whole "using it as birth control" strawman since there'd be no reason you'd want to as it dwarfs the cost. I do think low income people should be given a "freebie" though with an offer to get a program covered IUD after (with subsequent visits being charged if they don't) just to remove any ignorance concerns and let them evaluate the decision properly after that first reality check.

Ahh yes, the 'disproportionately affect poor people' strategy of the healthcare system!

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Dancedreamer posted...

Ahh yes, the 'disproportionately affect poor people' strategy of the healthcare system!

I think you missed the part where I said low income people should get a freebie and option for a free IUD

If you get pregnant twice in non-rape non-health situations and need abortions twice after they offered you an IUD then you should be held accountable. Buy some birth control that's affordable at even the lowest income bracket, as someone who grew up in it

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Lopen posted...

If you get pregnant twice in non-rape non-health situations and need abortions twice after they offered you an IUD then you should be held accountable. Buy some birth control that's affordable at even the lowest income bracket, as someone who grew up in it

poor tax/woman tax.

No.

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Or just get the free IUD? Lol

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Lopen posted...

Or just get the free IUD? Lol

What part of "disproportionately affects poorer people" isnt clicking?

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Probably the part where the poor people get it for free in my ideal scenario. If you're poor and offered something for free it doesn't give you financial hardship I could have told you this even not having my experience of growing up poor

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Again, you are thinking it the wrong way. Poor, no second abortion. rich, as many abortions as you want.

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red13n posted...

Again, you are thinking it the wrong way. Poor, no second abortion. rich, as many abortions as you want.

I think you're thinking of it the wrong way

Everyone is paying the same amount here. Believe it or not rich people don't want to get abortions willy nilly either. The idea is that abortion doesn't become a form of "cheap birth control"

If you're poor you need to be more responsible in general. That's just life dude.

Rich? Bet 200 dollars on 12 on roulette all you want
Poor? You better be damn sure that 1/38 hits otherwise you ain't making rent

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

oh wow it took a whole 26 posts before someone was talking about "killing a human being" in an abortion topic.

i'm proud of you board 8.

Don't say it isn't

And no, this is not like male masturbation "sperm" so don't bring this up

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I really, really don't think that there would be a significant problem of people getting abortions instead of birth control for financial reasons even if abortion was universally free

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