Board 8 > Danganronpa Spoiler Topic II: Everybody Loves Despair (Spoilers for Games/Anime)

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bwburke94
11/19/20 6:20:29 AM
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Last topic is about to hit 500, so let's keep it up.

(Although with no ongoing playthrough topics, this one might go a bit slower.)

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Nanis23
11/19/20 7:05:40 AM
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So what is left to talk about

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bwburke94
11/19/20 7:19:07 AM
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That might be a problem.

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11/19/20 11:31:21 AM
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Tag for the amazing future discussion.

I found a list of fangames, but quickly googling some of them suggest that they're all in various states of development or stopped development.

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Crescent-Moon
11/19/20 11:38:45 AM
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I finished game 1. I feel a lot of things that tried to be subtle just weren't and it caused me to believe one of the more overt things wasn't as bad as it was saying. I figured something really bad had happened outside, just not like, catastrophically so.

Kyoko being "ultimate detective" felt too on the nose given how early I guessed she was exactly that. My faith in her never wavered. As much as Makoto ended up being called the "Ultimate Hope", she was that hope. The chapter 5 option to sell her out or not was obvious.

I can also say the same about ultimately trusting Byakuya. There's no way someone like Byakuya would ever bother to create this game or murder someone early on in it. He genuinely believes this is beneath him and is a chessmaster. He wants to see who the dangerous ones are before he ever even considers making a move. He even acknowledges that's Makoto and Kyoko after either case 3 or 4.

Hiro is a character who exists to be the village idiot. There were multiple times I wondered if he was really as stupid as he seemed. This felt ripe for a "the dog was the mastermind". If it were any known living student at the end, my eyes would've been squarely on Hiro.

Hina is someone I expected to see die at some point. I never believed she had the ability to murder in her and thought she'd end up being death fodder like Chihiro. Outside of Makoto, she felt like the only "normal" one left in the group once it was a couple of chapters in.

Toko's character was horrid and almost never did anything but add super eeyore energy from the start. She stays remarkably consistent at being awful all game. Byakuya shutting her up is only ever a good thing. Jack is at least an improvement of some sort despite being a useless psychopath.

Cases 1/3/4 I figured out the killer too quickly. 1 immediately tells you its Leon. Celeste takes at most a couple of minutes to be obvious in 3. The "locked room" feels unsolvable in 4 pretty early. Once people starting accusing themselves in the trial, my suspicion was confirmed. I had wondered from before the first death what'd happen if someone killed themselves.

Case 5 does a good job of walking the tightrope, leaving you waiting for a breakthrough that never happens (like case 2 gives you). It reminds me of 5-4 in which it's just suddenly over without any real, acceptable conclusion. You spin in circles and it just gets nowhere because you lack the information.

What's unfortunate is how quickly 6 gives you that information. I noticed only 9 lights on in the lab immediately (I first noticed the number was odd, not even), and I later noticed the wounds seemed to match the spears that hit Junko in chapter 1. From this I concluded the same body was used twice (confirming the trap Kyoko mentioned multiple times), and someone presumed dead was the mastermind. Given whose body it was, the only reasonable options seemed to be Mukuro and Junko. One of their deaths wasn't real.

The game itself wasn't bad at all, I just felt it was too easy to figure it out. There were a lot of times where I feel like it gave one or two too many hints that made it easier than it needed to be. Monokuma's straightforward answers during trials may as well be a giant finger pointing out the direction you need to go.

Actual annoyances were minor. There were sections where it felt like the same truth bullet clearly broke two statements and it was a matter of picking which one. Also, there too many flashbacks in later cases. There's a point where you see a flashback to the masked person with the knife 5 to 6 times in only a minute or two, and it really breaks the flow. It reminded me of how often 1-5 liked to constantly show the same picture again and again, but worse.

I'll give it a 7/10. The game was a little too transparent and failed to create enough smoke to make my faith in the important characters waver.

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11/19/20 12:11:03 PM
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If there's one thing DR is not, it's subtle

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Crescent-Moon
11/21/20 11:55:49 AM
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First case of game 2: Nagito is apparently insane edition.

The murder weapon was pointed out clear as day before the murder even occurred, and the only one who lacked an alibi was the Cook. He also had direct access to that weapon and the means to see in the dark after a blackout. I would've liked to play the "Guess the Killer" game for 10 billion dollars~

Nagito is sounding like someone you should cripple to shut up, but not kill, to be honest. Also, Hangman's gambit is supposed to be "improved".. But now it's just a 2-3 minute slog of letters that appear and move much more slowly than before. I do hope this gets better.

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11/21/20 1:49:44 PM
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I just discovered the Steam demo for V3 isn't just a case pulled from the game. Is it unique content that's worth playing?

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MrSmartGuy
11/21/20 1:56:01 PM
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No. The only reason to play it is to get an item unlocked for the real game so you can get a unique scene with Rantaro before the first case.

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_SecretSquirrel
11/21/20 3:43:50 PM
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Crescent-Moon posted...
Also, Hangman's gambit is supposed to be "improved".. But now it's just a 2-3 minute slog of letters that appear and move much more slowly than before. I do hope this gets better.
LOL NOPE

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11/21/20 6:46:26 PM
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MrSmartGuy posted...
No. The only reason to play it is to get an item unlocked for the real game so you can get a unique scene with Rantaro before the first case.
Too bad, thanks.

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azuarc
11/21/20 7:10:27 PM
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I just played and completed 999 yesterday. That was...well, it was something. Other than it being by Spike-Chunsoft, I'm not really sure why it gets lumped into the same discussion with DR and AA, though.

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Paratroopa1
11/21/20 7:11:01 PM
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Crescent if you're doing a playthrough of the series in this thread then it can't really be used as a spoiler thread lol
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RaidenGarai
11/21/20 7:11:34 PM
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999 and the others in the series were good, but I agree. Theyre not on the same level as Danganronpa and AA

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Paratroopa1
11/21/20 7:16:55 PM
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azuarc posted...
I just played and completed 999 yesterday. That was...well, it was something. Other than it being by Spike-Chunsoft, I'm not really sure why it gets lumped into the same discussion with DR and AA, though.
The Zero Escape games don't have the whole lawyering aspect to them but they're still like, the most common "mystery/puzzle visual novel" games, along with like Ghost Trick and arguably Hotel Dusk/Last Window, but Ghost Trick is just a single game instead of a series and HD/LW don't really have quite the same level of exciting intrigue. I think that ZE definitely shares DNA with AA and DR more than anything else really - there aren't a lot of other games I can think of that hit that sweet spot of like, a "visual novel" with an interesting cast where there's mysteries to solve and puzzles to do.
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MrSmartGuy
11/21/20 8:02:37 PM
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I DM'd Crescent on Discord earlier this afternoon and told her using this topic was a very bad idea, so she won't be in here anymore. I told her she's totally free to start a new playthrough topic because DR fans fuckin' love LP topics like nobody else, so she said she'd think about it when she starts up 2-2.

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Paratroopa1
11/21/20 8:05:18 PM
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Cool, yeah I didn't want to be naggy about it, but the idea of a spoiler topic is being able to freely discuss anything about the series at all - playthroughs are awesome but they should happen in their own separate thread so I don't accidentally spoiler her
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azuarc
11/21/20 8:18:02 PM
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Yeah, I hope they didn't feel like they were being chased. It's just that this topic is bound to be a free-for-all where spoilers are concerned. Considering the detailed write-up, I'm sure we'd all be happy following along as they play more.

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11/21/20 10:10:06 PM
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azuarc posted...
I just played and completed 999 yesterday. That was...well, it was something. Other than it being by Spike-Chunsoft, I'm not really sure why it gets lumped into the same discussion with DR and AA, though.
Honestly, part of it is just because lots of people die in both DR and ZE, and the creators of each are good friends.
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azuarc
11/22/20 12:07:45 AM
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But lots of people don't die on the good ending. In fact, I'm not sure anyone does, besides the creators of the original Nonary Game.

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_SecretSquirrel
11/22/20 3:25:43 AM
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azuarc posted...
But lots of people don't die on the good ending. In fact, I'm not sure anyone does, besides the creators of the original Nonary Game.
Yeah, but you can't exactly get the good ending without seeing the Safe ending, where Snake and Clover do die.

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11/22/20 6:19:56 PM
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I ignored MrSmartGuy's advice and played the D3 demo on Steam anyway, and it just ends halfway through the trial? Before a bunch of evidence was presented? And the Wiki shows that as being the actual end of the trial? Is there just no actual conclusion for real?

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MrSmartGuy
11/22/20 6:20:27 PM
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That is correct.

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11/22/20 6:25:22 PM
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What a gyp. I just looked up it on the Wiki again to be sure. Apparently the D1 demo at least had an implied killer, but I don't know the killer of this demo would have been

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Mewtwo59
11/22/20 6:50:21 PM
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I think the implied killer was Makoto.

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11/22/20 7:48:48 PM
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Mewtwo59 posted...
I think the implied killer was Makoto.
I guess he had the most evidence against him, but it didn't feel that way to me.

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hombad46
11/22/20 8:19:43 PM
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Just learned that Angie's voice actress has been confirmed after all this time. Wasn't expecting that.

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bwburke94
11/23/20 10:37:53 AM
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hombad46 posted...
Just learned that Angie's voice actress has been confirmed after all this time. Wasn't expecting that.
Source?

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hombad46
11/23/20 10:42:01 AM
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https://twitter.com/SoCassandra/status/1324432297332932609?s=20

Angie is included in Cassandra Lee Morris's pic, and I doubt she would've included her if it was incorrect.

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11/24/20 10:27:10 PM
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I just realized something about Danganronpa. Thanks to V3, the Hope's Peak storyline does canonically end with everyone dying horribly and everything being pointless, unless you claim it's Tsumugi's fanfiction.

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bwburke94
11/25/20 12:12:16 AM
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Happy 10th, Danganronpa.

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azuarc
11/25/20 10:05:38 AM
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I still feel like writing a fanfic would be a fun thing to do. I just dread the amount of planning work that would be required.

I'm slowly reading through I'd Trade My Life For Yours. I'm in the fifth case now.

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_SecretSquirrel
11/26/20 4:31:24 PM
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Anagram posted...
I just realized something about Danganronpa. Thanks to V3, the Hope's Peak storyline does canonically end with everyone dying horribly and everything being pointless, unless you claim it's Tsumugi's fanfiction.
We really don't know how much time elapses between DR2 and the apocalypse depicted in V3 really was. Granted, Principal Makoto doesn't look much older than he does in the anime, but I would at least like to think the new Hope's Peak operated for at least a few years.

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Mewtwo59
11/26/20 4:57:51 PM
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I find it hard to believe that they never touched on the Hope's Peak plotline even once from season 4 to season 52, so for all we know there could be a bunch of different timelines that they used in various seasons.

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11/26/20 5:30:17 PM
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_SecretSquirrel posted...
We really don't know how much time elapses between DR2 and the apocalypse depicted in V3 really was. Granted, Principal Makoto doesn't look much older than he does in the anime, but I would at least like to think the new Hope's Peak operated for at least a few years.
It would still make everything pointless even if it happened ten years later!

Mewtwo59 posted...
I find it hard to believe that they never touched on the Hope's Peak plotline even once from season 4 to season 52, so for all we know there could be a bunch of different timelines that they used in various seasons.
I think Tsumugi said something about there being multiple continuities, and V3 is the return to the original.

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11/27/20 7:58:52 PM
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Is it still okay to post unmarked spoilers for the series in this topic?

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bwburke94
11/28/20 2:20:54 PM
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Yes, this is still a spoiler topic so unmarked spoilers are allowed.

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MrSmartGuy
11/30/20 12:57:08 AM
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Crescent has been discussing theories and such with me as she gets a bit further into the game. She just finished Case 2 and has some ideas for later:

CrescentToday at 11:41 PM
You know what would be funny
Gundham killing someone aided by a HAMSTER AMBUSH
Best murder plot ever

MrSmartGuyToday at 11:41 PM
would the hamsters have to be executed
cuz i can't go with this plan if so

CrescentToday at 11:41 PM
That's... A good question
Technically speaking they would be liable if they directly took part in a murder
Suddenly you're under attack by hamsters and he kills you
Hamsters are guilty too

MrSmartGuyToday at 11:42 PM
but monokuma did state in the first game that there's only one blackened per case, didn't he?
though i guess he could just change the rules whenever

CrescentToday at 11:43 PM
True
The hamsters would be accomplices
Wait

MrSmartGuyToday at 11:43 PM
maybe since you can only vote for one student, the hamsters get off scot free

CrescentToday at 11:43 PM
Can't you only have one accomplice?
Do hamsters count as accomplices?
They may not be bound to the rules of the game

MrSmartGuyToday at 11:44 PM
yeah, that's what i'm thinking

CrescentToday at 11:44 PM
So HAMSTER NINJA STRIKE
FOR THE WIN

I had to play dumb for so long on this hamster thing, so I'm hoping this works in keeping her in disbelief for when it actually happens. She also has some really good instinct for how the game will play out:

CrescentToday at 11:46 PM
There's 12 people left
I'll go with for the next two in some order
Mikan snaps and murders Hiyoko, Gundham murders Kazuichi

CrescentToday at 11:49 PM
Case 5 or 6 I could see going one of two ways looking forward: Nagito is either going to die (and help someone kill him) or is going to kill someone (and they're going to help him do it). I don't have a solid grasp on which yet.

So you would think her final list would be spot-on, but.....

CrescentToday at 11:34 PM
I could see a final 6 with Hajime/Nagito/Nekomaru/Sonia/Chiaki in it
Let's see, assuming an even gender disparity at the end, it's probably Ibuki or Akane

Since the game ends with 5 and her initial list had 5, going with that, we have a whole 2 for 5!

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11/30/20 1:31:50 AM
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Those are some pretty prescient guesses, especially about the hamsters, but I'm surprised at the bad Nekomaru survival call. He had dead man walking written all over him as far as I could see.

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azuarc
11/30/20 9:33:13 AM
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The hamsters are a Chekhov's Gun. Obviously they were going to come into play at some point. I don't try to "read" the story and I could see that.

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12/01/20 12:40:15 AM
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I am probably going to write a Danganronpa fanfic after all. It'll be literally my first fanfic ever, but I have a dumb idea I want to explore and plenty of spare time.

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azuarc
12/01/20 11:20:20 AM
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I started spitballing something a couple days ago, completely pants-ed. Wrote 3500 words, I think. I haven't gone back to it, though. Maybe I should, but honestly I hadn't even gotten to Monokuma appearing...which I guess means technically I could make it not literally DR if I wanted to. I'd love to hear about your project, though, Anagram.

After a week or so of not touching it, I went back for a couple chapters of ITMLFY. Just about to read the chapter 5 trial.

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12/01/20 12:25:33 PM
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In Danganronpa IF, there's a moment when Junko says she's going to just erase everyone's minds and start the game over again, except Mukuro will have her mind totally wiped and be one of the group for real, and then they'll all learn the truth and hate her. She's obviously rescued and all of that, but I was thinking it might be neat to explore that idea.

I don't know a lot about DR fanfics, though, it's possible this idea has been done a billion times.

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azuarc
12/01/20 1:55:40 PM
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So you're going to write an AU rather than an OC?

I did like how we got to know who Mukuro was in that story.

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12/01/20 8:46:59 PM
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Yeah, I don't really have all of the details planned out, but that's what I'm planning.

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