Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 343: Guilty Spark

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Kinglicious posted...

China is the best at propaganda in the world

Are there propaganda power rankings?
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Do you look at that data of surging sterilizations and plummeting birthrates (undisputed by the Chinese government) and say "hmm, this sure seems like a totally natural result of Uygher women drastically changing their minds about having kids starting around 2016"?

Yeah it's that and a result of China's regular non-genocidal birth control policies. The birth rate did not "plummet" and Xinjiang's growth rate is still higher than the national average

You might notice that birthrates around the world fall as civilizations get more technologically advanced

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DeepsPraw posted...

I guess China just released all the Uyghur prisoners from the concentration camps so they could star in that dude's video. See where I'm going with this? maybe qanon was a bad comparison. This is more like thee moon-landing deniers.

You mean to assert that every single Uighur made an appearance in that video? That's far crazier than anything we're declaring.

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DeepsPraw posted...

Yeah it's that and a result of China's regular non-genocidal birth control policies. The birth rate did not "plummet" and Xinjiang's growth rate is still higher than the national average

You might notice that birthrates around the world fall as civilizations get more technologically advanced

There is no corresponding drop in non-Uygher births or increase in non-Uygher sterilizations (in fact, there is a drop for the latter).

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also you act like there are hundreds of nonpartial observers and watchdogs when it's really just a single anti-communist zealot in Germany



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Jakyl25 posted...

Are there propaganda power rankings?

the more authoritarian, the better. matters the most for internal results, real or fake (see: North Korea, 97%+ approval ratings for commie dictators).
the more money, the better. matters the most for interfering outside of the country.
imperialism has faded more but there's still weight to that too on both inside and out.

so the US has a high level on the last two but China's 3/3 because they're the one country where that hasn't faded and instead grown. whether it's trying to take those islands, Hong Kong, Taiwan, the border on India, or colonizing a third of Africa, they've got everyone else combined beat.


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LordoftheMorons posted...

Genocide includes forced sterilization, etc:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention

I'll grant you that colloquially when people say 'genocide' they almost always mean mass murder of a group.

And? What does this have to do with my comment that people in this topic don't know what genocide is?

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Corrik7 posted...

And? What does this have to do with my comment that people in this topic don't know what genocide is?

I thought your comment was in response to me saying that China was committing genocide. My mistake if that was not the case!

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Jakyl25 posted...

Are there propaganda power rankings?

this is obviously impossible, but I think it is pretty clear to any serious reader of this topic how much the perceived negative aspects of other countries are considered moral imperatives, or damning in comparison to the negative aspects of the actual country we live in, which are always hand-waved away and downplayed or dismissed. just look at the previous post suggesting that somehow NK has the most illegitimate approval ratings while also claiming that more money = more manufactured consent. The super wealthy in this country have many, many times over the amount to spend on fooling us than the other countries elite do. And a corporate news environment will always favor the most favorable conditions for that very same corporate news environment.

LordoftheMorons posted...

I thought your comment was in response to me saying that China was committing genocide. My mistake if that was not the case!

Responding to deepraws

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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1326544718642073604

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https://twitter.com/jonwalkerdc/status/1326534962363854848?s=21
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Trump RTed this

https://twitter.com/arthurschwartz/status/1326282306554900482?s=21

I feel like that kind of undermines his argument that corruption is rampant
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fuming posted...

this is obviously impossible, but I think it is pretty clear to any serious reader of this topic how much the perceived negative aspects of other countries are considered moral imperatives, or damning in comparison to the negative aspects of the actual country we live in, which are always hand-waved away and downplayed or dismissed. just look at the previous post suggesting that somehow NK has the most illegitimate approval ratings while also claiming that more money = more manufactured consent. The super wealthy in this country have many, many times over the amount to spend on fooling us than the other countries elite do. And a corporate news environment will always favor the most favorable conditions for that very same corporate news environment.

Any serious reader of this topic would also recognize there are tons of people calling out American bullshit constantly so I don't know what your problem is and why you yourself feel the need to deflect

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Jakyl25 posted...

Trump RTed this

https://twitter.com/arthurschwartz/status/1326282306554900482?s=21

I feel like that kind of undermines his argument that corruption is rampant

It would, but his supporters and the people who honestly believe that Biden didn't win the election are so stupid that they think this is a sign that there was fraud, not proof that they're desperately looking for it.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Any serious reader of this topic would also recognize there are tons of people calling out American bullshit constantly so I don't know what your problem is and why you yourself feel the need to deflect

this has absolutely not been my experience with this topic series.

do we not call him Guiga anymore :(

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fuming posted...

this has absolutely not been my experience with this topic series.

Only if you choose for it not to be. We spend vast amounts of time talking about how America needs to change. I am pretty sure I have gone so hard in on lotm that I have pissed off half the topic.

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neonreaper posted...

do we not call him Guiga anymore :(

I actually forgot that he was guiga

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Only if you choose for it not to be. We spend vast amounts of time talking about how America needs to change. I am pretty sure I have gone so hard in on lotm that I have pissed off half the topic.

You can talk all you want about how things need to change. You have shown no ability to want to change anything. You voted for Joe Biden. You suggested that was a moral imperative and necessary. That is no change. That is continuation.

not the discussion i expected to wake up to here today

fuming posted...

this has absolutely not been my experience with this topic series.

But I mean, it is? If you want to be 100% cynical and dishonest you could say it's "only" because we're highlighting the atrocities committed by the Trump administration but that a majority of the discussion is on their actions is because... well... that's the administration that's been in power over the life of this topic series.

We do talk about the should-be-war-crimes perpetuated largely through drones that occurred under Obama (and expanded under Trump lest we act like we somehow "improved" in this regard - we most definitely have not.) The hundreds of thousands of deaths under the War on Terror, and for more historical actions the treatment of Native Americans. Just not as much because generally this topic talks about current news.

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fuming posted...

You can talk all you want about how things need to change. You have shown no ability to want to change anything. You voted for Joe Biden. You suggested that was a moral imperative and necessary. That is no change. That is continuation.

Nah. Sorry friend, there is a difference between fascism and not. Biden will put people in his cabinet that even if they suck by my standards are better than say Betsy devos, an actual ghoul. We have more progressive members of congress than ever, more progressive policies are being passed. FDR and LBJ did not campaign on reform and civil rights, it was after they were in office that they bent to the will of the people. I picked who I wanted to fight, and it wasn't the fascist. Any other opinion is just stupid. Sorry!

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Only discussing the current administrations crimes is inherently reactionary.

fuming posted...

You can talk all you want about how things need to change. You have shown no ability to want to change anything. You voted for Joe Biden. You suggested that was a moral imperative and necessary. That is no change. That is continuation.

You're the one who doesn't want to change anything. You just want to sit up the moral high ground and say "I didn't vote for Joe Biden!" as if that actually accomplishes anything. It doesn't accomplish a damn thing. And it's time people stop pretending that it did.

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Speaking of democrats. Clyburn has taken the most pharmaceutical money in congress over the past decade. No wonder he doesn't like bernie LOL.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Nah. Sorry friend, there is a difference between fascism and not. Biden will put people in his cabinet that even if they suck by my standards are better than say Betsy devos, an actual ghoul. We have more progressive members of congress than ever, more progressive policies are being passed. FDR and LBJ did not campaign on reform and civil rights, it was after they were in office that they bent to the will of the people. I picked who I wanted to fight, and it wasn't the fascist. Any other opinion is just stupid. Sorry!

Don't call me your friend if you think FDR or LBJ are good, or if you think facism in America is unique to the last 4 years. If you voted for Biden because of harm reduction, but have yet to turn on him after his victory, you are not my ally.

fuming posted...

Don't call me your friend if you think FDR or LBJ are good, or if you think facism in America is unique to the last 4 years. If you voted for Biden because of harm reduction, but have yet to turn on him after his victory, you are not my ally.

You are right, I don't like being friends with stupid people who don't know what fascism means lol. Just going to block you now.

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did we ever confirm whose alt.

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Dancedreamer posted...

You're the one who doesn't want to change anything. You just want to sit up the moral high ground and say "I didn't vote for Joe Biden!" as if that actually accomplishes anything. It doesn't accomplish a damn thing. And it's time people stop pretending that it did.

Find me the state I could hypothetically live in where my vote for Joe Biden would have accomplished something or where saying I didn't vote for him is the extent of my political advocacy. Does anyone in this topic besides me even belong to a political organization? I do significantly more than voting ever will.

Wanglicious posted...

did we ever confirm whose alt.

I think he said he was Gentleman Gamer?

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fuming posted...

Find me the state I could hypothetically live in where my vote for Joe Biden would have accomplished something or where saying I didn't vote for him is the extent of my political advocacy. Does anyone in this topic besides me even belong to a political organization? I do significantly more than voting ever will.

man, in addition to guiga's love of china we also get to see the political equivalent of tipping a fedora and it hasn't even been noon yet.


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gamergaters telling other people they are fedora tippers lol

Is this where the Tulsi write in votes come from
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that's just how significant a person you are with your political organization expertise.

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fuming posted...

Don't call me your friend if you think FDR or LBJ are good, or if you think facism in America is unique to the last 4 years. If you voted for Biden because of harm reduction, but have yet to turn on him after his victory, you are not my ally.

Biden hasn't DONE much of anything anything yet to turn on - yet despite that there has been plenty of criticism of his potential cabinet picks and "unity" plan and stuff like that. There was plenty of criticism of his past record during the primary and except for the like two people who actually support Biden most people are on the same page.

Your position isn't unique, you're just angrier about it

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Jakyl25 posted...

Is this where the Tulsi write in votes come from

you voted third party the last election lol and people like wang are far more likely to vote tulsi than me. I don't like her at all.

Jakyl25 posted...

Is this where the Tulsi write in votes come from

honestly my first thought was the bernie bro stereotype.


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Wanglicious posted...

that's just how significant a person you are with your political organization expertise.

never said I was significant, just that actually taking political action is by far more significant than voting, particularly since I did both.

Wanglicious posted...

honestly my first thought was the bernie bro stereotype.

How many votes did Winnie the Pooh get
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Wanglicious posted...

did we ever confirm whose alt.

No but I'd love to know so i can give them the same tag

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Jakyl25 posted...

How many votes did Winnie the Pooh get

enough to be a bother.

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fuming posted...

never said I was significant, just that actually taking political action is by far more significant than voting, particularly since I did both.

Feel free to pat yourself on the back, buddy!

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If he were posting this type of shit on Twitter you guys would probably assume he was a bot designed to demonize the left.

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love to be lectured by people who confirm it was never said who I am when it actually was

Time out, let's not denigrate legitimate political action just because there's some shitposting going on

Okay PSA done resume shitposting

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Time out, let's not denigrate legitimate political action just because there's some shitposting going on

Okay PSA done resume shitposting

To be clear I was not referring to his posts about that, although his talk about political action seems to be vague to the point of meaningless.

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fuming posted...

Find me the state I could hypothetically live in where my vote for Joe Biden would have accomplished something or where saying I didn't vote for him is the extent of my political advocacy. Does anyone in this topic besides me even belong to a political organization? I do significantly more than voting ever will.

One vote here, and one vote there adds up quickly over time. And if you can't vote for Joe Biden, I can't imagine you voting for other moderate dems in seats in the house, congress, state level and local level. And it also means for all your political advocacy, you don't turn out the vote like Stacey Abrams did in Georgia, which helped win Georgia for Biden and kept the Senate Seats in play.

And political advocacy is meaningless if the people in charge aren't willing to listen. Republicans are never and will never be willing to listen. The Democrats at least evolve on their issues, even if it takes a long time. And Republicans, for the worst, bring out the worst in people by appealing to their most base and vile beliefs. They make it okay.

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Peace___Frog posted...

No but I'd love to know so i can give them the same tag

we did confirm whose alt, but its not a classic B8 person so I dont think the information will help
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Oh OK so it's just meaningless. Thanks

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Dancedreamer posted...

One vote here, and one vote there adds up quickly over time. And if you can't vote for Joe Biden, I can't imagine you voting for other moderate dems in seats in the house, congress, state level and local level. And it also means for all your political advocacy, you don't turn out the vote like Stacey Abrams did in Georgia, which helped win Georgia for Biden and kept the Senate Seats in play.

And political advocacy is meaningless if the people in charge aren't willing to listen. Republicans are never and will never be willing to listen. The Democrats at least evolve on their issues, even if it takes a long time. And Republicans, for the worst, bring out the worst in people by appealing to their most base and vile beliefs. They make it okay.

so the answer is no, you could not find a state where voting for a rapist war criminal would have made anyone's life better, but you still defended doing so. you also have no idea what state I live in, what my political advocacy was, or what a difference it could have made. I didn't vote for any Republicans, nor did any of my advocacy focus on helping Republicans get elected. Maybe if less people were willing to settle for Democrats, we could actually accomplish anything.