Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 343: Guilty Spark

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I think Biden will run again as long as he thinks he can keep doing the job.

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I think on a certain level he is old and he knows it. I expect that is true but also works against itself. For the same reason I think he will feel that someone younger is better suited for the job.

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This may actually work out alright for Trump. He's inflated the stock market to record highs. Now the crash can come while Biden is president, after he tries to be somewhat responsible regarding government spending, and Trump can come back in 2024 on a platform of universal healthcare and UBI, backed by borrowing and spending like there's no tomorrow.

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Biden runs again if he thinks he has the best chance of winning

Even if he feels a younger person may be better for the job, the most important thing is keeping a GOP candidate from ever winning again ever

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https://twitter.com/tomangell/status/1326586647434190848

Jakyl25 posted...

I mean, Don Jr literally tweeted out a transcript about setting up a meeting to discuss colluding with Russia

Literally been investigated and the findings were released. 4 years later and you still can't accept this. And complaining if some Republicans can't accept something a week later. Hello? Hypocrite?

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this is why we ride his ass as soon as he's inaugurated

Dems fighting hard for weed legalization would never see them lose an election again. Forego your pharmaceutical donors for electoral power.

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Weed legalization is going to have bipartisan support once people are properly informed of how much money in brings in.

And yes, you do double dip a bit because it leads to an increase in driving citations.

(We need stiffer penalties for impaired driving, because as know in the current system people just do it again)

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fuming posted...

https://twitter.com/tomangell/status/1326586647434190848

This is like bare minimum criminal justice stuff that needs to be done and would be easy to do. Dumb shit.

I always have to wonder how much money is tied up in the anti-weed lobby that makes such an obviously popular policy an issue.

Well that and the PIC, so basically a shitload of money even beyond that

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Corrik7 posted...

Literally been investigated and the findings were released. 4 years later and you still can't accept this. And complaining if some Republicans can't accept something a week later. Hello? Hypocrite?

The Mueller Report explicitly did not exonerate Trump

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red13n posted...

Weed legalization is going to have bipartisan support once people are properly informed of how much money in brings in.

And yes, you do double dip a bit because it leads to an increase in driving citations.

(We need stiffer penalties for impaired driving, because as know in the current system people just do it again)

Conservatism still has the religious right wing who are widely against it. They'd risk losing them, so I don't buy this as easily.

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The Mueller Report ended up with how many indictments, 30+?

Trump is terrified his day is coming, though he's got cases in his home state to worry about too

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StartTheMachine posted...

Conservatism still has the religious right wing who are widely against it. They'd risk losing them, so I don't buy this as easily.

oh it'll be awhile. But its inevitable.

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https://twitter.com/clipsdave/status/1326770112658108418?s=21

"The right is getting better at comedy"

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StartTheMachine posted...

"The right is getting better at comedy"

I did spend more hours laughing at Four Seasons Total Landscaping content than I have in years the other day.

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Here's a joke: the guy who sucks up to the man who said his dad killed JFK


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Corrik7 posted...

Literally been investigated and the findings were released. 4 years later and you still can't accept this. And complaining if some Republicans can't accept something a week later. Hello? Hypocrite?

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/trump-jr-russia-lawyer-emails/index.html

Not the same thing, my guy, Don Jr literally tweeted it out.

IIRC reason it wasn't considered a crime is because they couldn't prove the chick was officially acting on behalf of the Russian government.

StartTheMachine posted...

The Mueller Report ended up with how many indictments, 30+?

Trump is terrified his day is coming, though he's got cases in his home state to worry about too

That being said, you are not living on this plane of existence if you think Trump is going to jail.

LordoftheMorons posted...

I think Biden will run again as long as he thinks he can keep doing the job.

He won't make it the full 4 years, let alone run again (and win), I will bet anything on this.

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https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1326210285527592963?s=21

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guys the Dan Purdy story is somehow even funnier than Four Seasons Total Landscaping. I am going to miss late night during the Trump era.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

That being said, you are not living on this plane of existence if you think Trump is going to jail.

He won't make it the full 4 years, let alone run again (and win), I will bet anything on this.

Damn had a brain fart when I posted. I usually follow up that assertion with "which is fucking stupid paranoia on Trump's part because he'll never go to jail for his crimes." He believes it but he's a rich (?) asshole and therefore above the law. Him going to jail would be amazing but it's a liberal fantasy.

Also you think he's just gonna resign? Not sure I buy that yet either, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1326622414764175360

Yessss

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I think trump going to jail is dependent on how long he holds out.

if he has to be arrested to leave the White House he is going to jail

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Speaking of transition, have we discussed how Trump has not allowed the GSA to recognize Biden as the president elect, which in turn means that the secret service hasn't been authorized to provide additional security, thus making the incoming administration more susceptible to potential violence?

And similarly, biden hasn't been authorized to receive any of the daily briefings, making him less aware of what he'll be getting into on day 1?

Re: first item, don't just take it from me - https://www.justsecurity.org/73317/the-gsas-delay-in-recognizing-the-biden-transition-team-and-the-national-security-implications/

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Yeah I posted a wapo article about it (maybe last topic?)

It's bad all around, but I'm most worried about hampering his ability to hit the ground running on his covid response (since god knows there isn't one now)

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masterplum posted...

I think trump going to jail is dependent on how long he holds out.

if he has to be arrested to leave the White House he is going to jail

Well yeah. But that's the real reason the "dragged out of the White House" thing will never happen. Trump doesn't want to be arrested and he has total control over this.

Also, he doesn't need to physically be in the white house to refuse to concede. The man can hole up in Mar-a-Lago or seek political asylum somewhere and still tweet up a storm about how he is the REAL President and Fake President Sleepy Joe rigged the election. We just have to deal with that until he's dead or in prison, and his main goal will be to avoid jail.

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I give him until the end of January before Twitter bans his account

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Corrik7 posted...

Literally been investigated and the findings were released. 4 years later and you still can't accept this. And complaining if some Republicans can't accept something a week later. Hello? Hypocrite?

I accept that the 2016 election was legitimate. I dont accept your assertion that the Trump campaign didnt work together with Russia since they admitted to it.

Like I dont know what needs to be investigated about a literal transcript released by a member of the campaign where he sets up a meeting with a Russian asset who claims to have dirt on Hillary as part of, and I quote, Russia and its governments support of Mr Trump.
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And for the record I dont really care if they worked with Russia

I care about being gaslighted
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans

70% of Republicans believe Trump. We'll see how that number gets after Biden is inaugurated, hopefully peacefully, but I'm doubting it.

The Democrats need to not ignore this but fight it in every way possible. Drag every poll worker they can from all over the country to explain that this was done like every other election. Not saying it'll work, but ignoring this problem will be the wrong tactic.

E:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/election-us-2020-54909817

This poll has a more hopeful but still terrifying number of 40%.

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Peace___Frog posted...

And similarly, biden hasn't been authorized to receive any of the daily briefings, making him less aware of what he'll be getting into on day 1?

This is one aspect where him being familiar with the inner workings of the White House and already having established relationships with foreign leaders is really a benefit as opposed to other Dem candidates
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StartTheMachine posted...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/election-trust-polling-study-republicans

70% of Republicans believe Trump. We'll see how that number gets after Biden is inaugurated, hopefully peacefully, but I'm doubting it.

The Democrats need to not ignore this but fight it in every way possible. Drag every poll worker they can from all over the country to explain that this was done like every other election. Not saying it'll work, but ignoring this problem will be the wrong tactic.

According to a new survey, 70% of Republicans do not believe the presidential election was free and fair, even though multiple news outlets have called it for Joe Biden.
There has been a dramatic decline in Republican voters faith in the system. Before the election, in the same Politico/Morning Consult poll, 35% of Republicans thought the vote would not be free and fair.

Hey at least it improved by 5%
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StartTheMachine posted...

70% of Republicans believe Trump. We'll see how that number gets after Biden is inaugurated, hopefully peacefully, but I'm doubting it.

Republicans don't live in reality. You'll have a few that accept it and start looking on to 2024. Mostly the ones that deep down know there's something wrong with Trump, but won't admit it to themselves because they supported him and they could never be wrong. Them, and the ones who just wanted those SCOTUS Seats. But others will NEVER admit that Biden won fair and square. They'll always insist something's coming any day. Just like Hillary will be arrested one day.

StartTheMachine posted...

Him going to jail would be amazing but it's a liberal fantasy.

trump will have to stay outside the state of new york after he leaves office or he is 100% going to jail- the AG there is very motivated

i don't think he will go to new york, and instead will hunker down in mar-a-lago. i'm not familiar with state-by-state extradition laws, but i imagine florida would not cooperate

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I know this is old now but I still find it shocking.

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1326311204923576321?s=20

There is a town called Forty Fort?

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Don't underestimate the power of towns in PA.

We've also got Mars, Intercourse, Moon, and Eighty-Four.

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If you see someone circulating the link about how "benford's law proves that biden's results are fraudulant" please call them a moron and link them to this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etx0k1nLn78

tl:dw is that the data behind the visuals of "proof" have been cherry picked from a specific location (Chicago) that is misleading, and that based upon the size of precincts generally being of the same magnitude (resulting in a almost exclusively a 3 digit total of votes rather than a spread among 2, 3 and 4 digit results) means you would not expect a Bendford distribution. Trump's totals from Chicago only appeared to fit the distribution because he got so few votes in chicago than many of his precinct results began with a 1 or a 2 because they were literally in the 10s and 20s.

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To be honest the most recent conspiracy theories over the last few days have been gaining very little traction from what I can tell. I didn't even find out about the California ballot collection video until it was already long debunked, and that was retweeted by Trump himself. While the denial and refusal to admit their candidate lost is obviously in full effect, I think people are starting to cool on the actual conspiracy theory side of things, and just want the recounts and court decisions to happen.

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not sure why people insist deepspraw is guiga. guiga was quite easily the worst user to ever post on board 8. deepspraw may be a divisive user but he's not THAT bad.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

To be honest the most recent conspiracy theories over the last few days have been gaining very little traction from what I can tell.

This one caught my eye because it was republican supporters using science, which is a thing they notably hate to use, to give credibility to the claims of election fraud.

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still catching up on this topic but "libertarian socialism" lol what

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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1326920264203046915?s=21

Love to call myself a goose
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

still catching up on this topic but "libertarian socialism" lol what

libertarianism was originally a left wing/socialist ideology that was co-opted by right wing americans. left wingers who now want to use the label generally go with "libertarian socialist" and it is generally not terribly different from people who use the label "anarcho-communist"

pretty sure the people that co-opted it bragged about it too. or their successors. somewhere along that line people were bragging about having stolen it from the lefties

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I used a goose analogy once.

It ended...poorly.

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golden goose? i thought he was bronze

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I'm probably oversimplifying it but the "libertarian socialism" thing just struck me as weird wording on the classic debate of if you need to use or abolish the state to get to your stateless communist utopia. And I guess taking the mirror form of the dem soc position where the transition state is the end goal

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I swear if Republicans fracture into Trump and not-Trump factions that start eating each other and putting up candidates that LFF each other then that would legitimately make all this worth it.

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Even Lindsey Graham is saying Biden should be getting the daily briefings now
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I'm probably oversimplifying it but the "libertarian socialism" thing just struck me as weird wording on the classic debate of if you need to use or abolish the state to get to your stateless communist utopia. And I guess taking the mirror form of the dem soc position where the transition state is the end goal

i'm not exactly sure what you're getting at here and am not entirely sure how to respond as a result.

if you're trying to say the difference between american libertarians and libertarian socialists is, same goals, different execution, no, definitely not. only in the broadest, most generic ways possible, but even that feels like a stretch.

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abolish the police

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