Board 8 > So Kanye is a Prequels > Sequels guy [Star Wars]

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That moment is super terrible along with the couple minutes before and after it. The prequel memes only wish they were that hilariously bad.

redrocket posted...

Yes, this is the absolute lowest point out of the mainline movies. Regardless where you think RoS ranks overall, No single moment in the prequels is this bad.

Vaderno (and the events leading to it) is way worse! The only redemption is the meme factor.

Which, I guess sums up the general argument of prequel defense in here.

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redrocket posted...

Yes, this is the absolute lowest point out of the mainline movies. Regardless where you think RoS ranks overall, No single moment in the prequels is this bad.

Naw, it's a tie between Palps going Super Saiyan Dark Red and the ending. Both are even more egregious. You could also make a case for 'Kylo comes back into the movie and literally never speaks, because ????'.

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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Naw, it's a tie between Palps going Super Saiyan Dark Red and the ending. Both are even more egregious. You could also make a case for 'Kylo comes back into the movie and literally never speaks, because ????'.

Well, at least we can agree that whatever the case, the worst moment is definitely from that movie.

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Yeah for sure

I can hate TFA and still see why someone might like it

People who like RoS have wrong opinions, period

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When prequel memes first started becoming a thing i made an effort to rewatch them to see if I could enjoy them as a fun, nostalgia fueled, "ironic" experience like a lot of people were saying they are. didn't bother rewatching revenge of the sith, but i have no idea what's supposed to be fun about attack of the clones or phantom menace, they're both shite. bland, boring, lifeless. awfully written, awfully acted, awfully directed.

i'm able to enjoy a few movies that were originally released around the same time "ironically" such as the first 2 Harry Potter films and all 3 Raimi Spider-Man films (had to pause Spider-Man for about 5 mins coz i was laughing so hard at "DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFIED?!") but the prequels just suck. there's nothing entertaining about them.

i've only seen the first sequel film, but it's much better than anything that came out of the prequels so i suppose i'm sequels > prequels. don't know if i'll ever bother to watch the other 2, but have a hard time seeing them being as bad as the first 2 prequels.

malyg posted...

When prequel memes first started becoming a thing i made an effort to rewatch them to see if I could enjoy them as a fun, nostalgia fueled, "ironic" experience like a lot of people were saying they are. didn't bother rewatching revenge of the sith, but i have no idea what's supposed to be fun about attack of the clones or phantom menace, they're both shite. bland, boring, lifeless. awfully written, awfully acted, awfully directed.

If you're watching them by yourself you're doing it wrong.

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Leonhart4 posted...

I can curbstomp all the 13 year old girls you send my way

You won't be so cocky when there's a fancam of your death on Twitter called "Revenge of the Reylos".

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Leonhart4 posted...

Also I will say that Rey kissing Kylo at the end of Episode IX is the single dumbest moment in the movies. I watched all the prequels and sequels in theaters and that was the only thing that ever elicited an audible groan from the audience.

Yeah the worst decision in a movie full of them. It didn't feel honest at all

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redrocket posted...

Regardless where you think RoS ranks overall, No single moment in the prequels is this bad.

And yet somehow this is still preposterous and wrong to me, because AotC has every scene where Hayden tries to act. I watched that scene in TROS and rolled my eyes, sure, but the Hayden/Padme scenes in AotC are unwatchable garbage.

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If you're only argument for a movie being enjoyable is that the scenes are so shitty they've become unintentionally funny, that's a bad movie. From the perspective of having competent acting, the prequels, even 3, are unbearable.

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It's always been weird to me now that it's generally agreed upon that in the main series, at least 4-5/9 of the movies suck.

Like I'm not a huge Star Wars fan, and I haven't seen 8 and 9 and don't really feel like going out of my way to, but it's kind of a huge bummer for fans of the series that they seem to really dislike around half of the movies in the main series.

I really wish they could have found a way to make everyone happy with the new trilogy.

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I don't know, I think that's a pretty good record. Ask fans of things like Terminator or F+F how many of those movies that they actually like.

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TheRock1525 posted...

People cheered in my audience. I was mostly indifferent.

this is how I imagine most people who are star wars fans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRm0WssOE

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I literally didn't even remember Rey kissing Kylo while Vadernoooooooo and the thunderous uproar of laughter that followed from the audience is forever etched into my mind.

The horribleness of these two things is not comparable.

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Bartzyx posted...

I don't know, I think that's a pretty good record. Ask fans of things like Terminator or F+F how many of those movies that they actually like.

Bruh the F&F fanbase loves most of the movies. Lol At least in my corner I've ventured in.

Terminator is pretty trash though, yeah. And I legit always feel bad for those people. Same with the Alien franchise which is a complete disaster.

Basically, I want everyone to have good movies for franchises they love. I think it's more prevalent for Star Wars though since it's so much more popular and has a lot more fans.

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I like most Star Wars movies, especially once we throw Rogue One into the mix. The OT is endlessly rewatchable, at least to me, so I'm content with that.

(And Last Jedi is great)

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Aecioo posted...

this is how I imagine most people who are star wars fans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfJRm0WssOE

Actually, I have a buddy who I love dearly, but he's always on a crusade against people who hate the 8th film I can't even remember the name of.

But he came out of the 9th movie, midnight showing, and said it was amazing and incredible and everything about it was perfect but that people will probably hate it because Star Wars fans are awful.

Meanwhile I had everyone else coming to me saying "Yo that movie was some shit." Lol I haven't asked him if he still feels that way about the movie though given time to think on it.

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yeah, as awful as the reylo kiss is, there's tons of moments in the prequels that are just as bad. let's not pretend "NOW THIS IS PODRACING" is any better.

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I watched the entire series last year with my now wife because she had only watched one or two of them, and the prequels are only fun when you're not watching them. We got so bored in the middle of Episode I that we had to stop and come back to it later.

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Leonhart has good opinions confirmed (Rogue One and TLJ are great)

The first two prequels not only fail as good films they fail as so-bad-it's-good films. They're at the worst middleground of absolute barely watchable mediocrity.

Kanye seems to only be arguing about Episode 3 here so that's a somewhat more forgivable bad take.

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they are all perfect

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Bartzyx posted...

I don't know, I think that's a pretty good record. Ask fans of things like Terminator or F+F how many of those movies that they actually like.

I like three out of five terminator movies I saw (haven't seen Dark Fate yet), so that gives it a higher percentage of hits than Star Wars already. You just need to like one of the post-2 movies to do better than Star Wars, and that's not a huge ask tbqh.

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Take any random scene from the prequels with dumpster fire writing/acting, and you can at least believe that in-universe, the characters would broad strokes be saying and/or doing something similar, just less ridiculous.

But the Rey/Kylo kiss is absolute unbelievable garbage even from a completely in-universe perspective.

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Im kind of surprised there are even Kyle/Rey fans. It might even be worse than Anakin/Padme

redrocket posted...

Take any random scene from the prequels with dumpster fire writing/acting, and you can at least believe that in-universe, the characters would broad strokes be saying and/or doing something similar, just less ridiculous.

But the Rey/Kylo kiss is absolute unbelievable garbage even from a completely in-universe perspective.

The scene in Episode 3 where Padme dies in childbirth, not due to medical complications, but from depression doing an instakill on her life force. No character motivation. No in-universe explanation. Only because it has to happen for the plot of the OT and I suppose Lucas wanted to make sure it happened on screen so she stayed dead for good.

This is the single worst written scene in the entire film series, and I will die on this hill.

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I've been trying to watch Part 3 of MauLer's Force Awakens critique and it's...something? I have no problems with 90% of the criticisms of the Disney era of Star Wars - heck, I've never seen any of them more than once and the only one I remember liking is The Force Awakens (though I almost liked Last Jedi and have come to appreciate its minimal risks a little more as of late) - but the attitude many of these "Fandom Menace" guys (yes, they seriously call themselves that) exhibit is nothing short of appalling. It even comes with a small side of racism and misogyny too.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

The scene in Episode 3 where Padme dies in childbirth, not due to medical complications, but from depression doing an instakill on her life force. No character motivation. No in-universe explanation. Only because it has to happen for the plot of the OT and I suppose Lucas wanted to make sure it happened on screen so she stayed dead for good.

This is the single worst written scene in the entire film series, and I will die on this hill.

Padme dying of despair isn't that much of a stretch, look what happened to Debbie Reynolds!

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Bartzyx posted...

I don't know, I think that's a pretty good record. Ask fans of things like Terminator or F+F how many of those movies that they actually like.

Asides from 2 and 4, pretty much all F&F films are well liked these days.
Tokyo Drift in particular seems to become more and more popular with each passing year.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Padme dying of despair isn't that much of a stretch, look what happened to Debbie Reynolds!

This. Of all things, that's not something that 'doesn't make sense', not to mention it's implied she was already hurt from Anakin's mistreatment of her earlier on iirc.

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btw, is it ever explained how leia talks to luke about remembering her mother in RotJ when her mother died immediately after giving birth? that plot hole has always bothered me.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

btw, is it ever explained how leia talks to luke about remembering her mother in RotJ when her mother died immediately after giving birth? that plot hole has always bothered me.

The Force.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

The scene in Episode 3 where Padme dies in childbirth, not due to medical complications, but from depression doing an instakill on her life force. No character motivation. No in-universe explanation. Only because it has to happen for the plot of the OT and I suppose Lucas wanted to make sure it happened on screen so she stayed dead for good.

This is the single worst written scene in the entire film series, and I will die on this hill.

To be fair, all that is said is that she lost the will to live, and she says herself that she can't hold on. There's subtle implication that Palpatine killed her, but it's as arguable that Anakin's betrayal was enough to have her die (and choice to die isn't a new concept in Star Wars). But yeah, script was kind of dumb there. Take away the droid explaining that she's dying and just have her die after having the babies and we never have this conversation lol

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

btw, is it ever explained how leia talks to luke about remembering her mother in RotJ when her mother died immediately after giving birth? that plot hole has always bothered me.

False memories. It's why people aren't considered reliable, especially years later.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Padme dying of despair isn't that much of a stretch, look what happened to Debbie Reynolds!

She had a stroke due to stress? If you don't understand how that is different from dying from "losing the will to live" that science can't explain, I dunno what to tell you.

It also wouldn't be a big deal if the series had remained with a lot of unexplained mystical shit like the Force - but it didn't, Lucas was going out of his way to explain the world during the PT. I'm all for leaving some things ambiguous but this particular instance is insulting.

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Padme just giving up and dying is believable enough considering a certain other character just wills themselves out of existence or some shit >_>

People be like "Padme willing herself to death isn't realistic for the plot" while also being like "I wish I could will myself to forget about the plot."

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

She had a stroke due to stress? If you don't understand how that is different from dying from "losing the will to live" that science can't explain, I dunno what to tell you.

It also wouldn't be a big deal if the series had remained with a lot of unexplained mystical shit like the Force - but it didn't, Lucas was going out of his way to explain the world during the PT. I'm all for leaving some things ambiguous but this particular instance is insulting.

Do I have to explain the Debbie Reynolds situation or do you know already?

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swordz9 posted...

Padme just giving up and dying is believable enough considering a certain other character just wills themselves out of existence or some shit >_>

I addressed this briefly already. This is a major difference between the prequels and the OT/Sequels, which are very much content to do weird Force-related bullshit (which, by the way, is GOOD and I like it!). With Padme, the fact that Obi-Wan is standing there and doesn't understand, and the medical drone doesn't understand, AND Lucas made sure to include midichlorians to make sure Force connection is medically quantifiable means that Padme's death is just handwaved.

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that just means the force was even beyond the understanding of the old jedi

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pjbasis posted...

that just means the force was even beyond the understanding of the old jedi

Ah, so Rian Johnson and Lucas are in agreement. Checkmate atheists

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IMO, Episodes 7 and 8 are very competently made movies (haven't seen 9) that are also incredibly bland, disjointed soulless blockbusters with precisely nothing interesting to say. The prequels actually have a throughline and an interesting story to tell, but they tell it poorly and are badly made movies in pretty much every respect.

I can understand preferring either set based on what you place more weight on, though having a burning passionate love for either trilogy is something I can't get my head around. I especially don't understand the massive amounts of love and hate people have for The Last Jedi, which seemed to be a perfectly mediocre blockbuster to me. I've never been a big Star Wars guy though so I'm in no place to judge, just putting KOTOR on the big screen would be a big improvement over PT+Disney as far as I'm concerned.

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Palpatine and/or Anakin did what Ben Solo did.

Life force from Padme into Anakin same as Ben into Rey.

Leia remembering Padme is just because Skywalkers are all force geniuses so she knew her without knowing her.


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Even ignoring Padme's actual death in RotS, Leia remembering her real mother doesn't make much sense in the context of RotJ. So they split the twins at birth up for safety, but left one with Anakin's wife (probably one of the easiest places for them to be found)? That plan is just stupid and I can't think of any good way to justify it.
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RPGlord95 posted...

Leia remembering Padme is just because Skywalkers are all force geniuses so she knew her without knowing her.

why didn't luke remember her then?

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

why didn't luke remember her then?

female intuition enhances the Force

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

why didn't luke remember her then?

Yoda explains this.

<img src="https://i.imgur.com/JLplsjP.png">

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what your are doing

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Also the dumbest plot point is Anakin building C-3PO.

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Yeah that's dumber than anything in TLJ.

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