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Corrik7
10/22/20 10:37:15 PM
#252:


So Trump won first 30 minutes. Trump won last 20-30 minutes besides the last question. Biden won all of the middle.

Pretty even.

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LOLIAmAnAlt
10/22/20 10:38:28 PM
#253:


Debates really don't matter.

If you vote based on a debate, that's pretty silly.

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xp1337
10/22/20 10:39:52 PM
#254:


I'm still irate over the immigration section of the debate so you will get no post-analysis from me other than Biden's whole "character is on the ballot" never feels more on point than it does when you hear Trump trying to do voices and those fucking childish facial expressions.

god november 3rd needs to arrive

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StealThisSheen
10/22/20 10:39:55 PM
#255:


red sox 777 posted...
Yes, exactly, so if that's Biden's position, then I'm not voting for him, because I don't want to pack the courts.

You're not!? No way! Tell me more.

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CaptainOfCrush
10/22/20 10:41:25 PM
#256:


I missed the first 15-20 minutes, but Biden wrecked most of what I saw until maybe the last 15 minutes.

The format was successful since it managed something resembling a coherent debate out of Trump.

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red13n
10/22/20 10:41:50 PM
#257:


Anyway, to turn the election around Trump needed a big win here. He didn't get that.

Overall, Biden camp is probably very pleased with tonight.

Trump tried to get Biden to bite on the laptop bit and it never really came out as anything but nonsense.

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Inviso
10/22/20 10:42:00 PM
#258:


Sadly, Trump maintained a stable appearance and Biden ended on that oil question, so I think Trump won the debate. He just had such a low bar to clear.

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LordoftheMorons
10/22/20 10:43:33 PM
#259:


I'm gonna predict that the debate polls have Biden winning by.... 13 points

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StealThisSheen
10/22/20 10:44:12 PM
#260:


Yeah, I don't see how Trump won that unless there's a large number of people that watched it on mute and just like Trump's face

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Xeybozn
10/22/20 10:44:16 PM
#261:


Trump coming off as stable is a win for him, but I don't think it's enough to catch up with Biden at this point.
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Corrik7
10/22/20 10:44:30 PM
#262:


I think Russia annexes something else in Biden's term.

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CaptainOfCrush
10/22/20 10:45:48 PM
#263:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I'm gonna predict that the debate polls have Biden winning by.... 13 points
Considerably more than that imo. I didn't even see the covid portion of the debate which I doubt were good for Trump. I saw a good 45+ consecutive minutes of Biden handling him, and I think the polls will reflect that.

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xp1337
10/22/20 10:47:54 PM
#264:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
Considerably more than that imo. I didn't even see the covid portion of the debate which I doubt were good for Trump. I saw a good 45+ consecutive minutes of Biden handling him, and I think the polls will reflect that.
You have to remember he's graded on a curve though, so the fact that he wasn't as unhinged as he was in the first debate - which was basically the nadir of democracy on the Planet Earth means that any regression to the mean - even if that mean is "a fucking atrocious firehose of lies and immaturity" will be hailed as "A NEW TONE!?"

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LordoftheMorons
10/22/20 10:47:54 PM
#265:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
Considerably more than that imo. I didn't even see the covid portion of the debate which I doubt were good for Trump. I saw a good 45+ consecutive minutes of Biden handling him, and I think the polls will reflect that.
The first section was Trump calmly lying about his record on covid and Biden kinda stumbling over his answers that correctly pointed out how much of a failure Trump's been on it.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/22/20 10:48:53 PM
#266:


That final statement was just such a fucking absurd gap in the character of these people.

Trump is truly such a disgusting, worthless human being.

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LordoftheMorons
10/22/20 10:49:53 PM
#267:


CNN's coverage is framing it as a tie (giving Trump a lot of credit he doesn't really deserve for clearing the center-of-the-earth height bar he set for himself last time).

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xp1337
10/22/20 10:51:31 PM
#268:


Like that's always the tough thing about keeping up with the news and the details. I can instantly fact-check both candidates in my head as they talk. Trump is a non-stop stream of lies but if you're unplugged politically would you know that?

Biden mostly kept to the truth but stumbled on his words a bit (I thought he was wrong about his record on fracking until at the very, very end he clarified what he had said was no fracking on federal land. That I would believe though I'd still have to look it all up to be sure.)

But to someone who doesn't really follow the news I can't be entirely sure how it all plays out. I mean, all data we have indicates these debates aren't moving anyone and everyone's coming in with their minds made up so maybe it doesn't really matter but yeah.


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Inviso
10/22/20 10:51:45 PM
#269:


LordoftheMorons posted...
CNN's coverage is framing it as a tie (giving Trump a lot of credit he doesn't really deserve for clearing the center-of-the-earth height bar he set for himself last time).

He doesn't deserve it, but he's gonna get it.

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Corrik7
10/22/20 10:57:21 PM
#270:


xp1337 posted...
Like that's always the tough thing about keeping up with the news and the details. I can instantly fact-check both candidates in my head as they talk. Trump is a non-stop stream of lies but if you're unplugged politically would you know that?

Biden mostly kept to the truth but stumbled on his words a bit (I thought he was wrong about his record on fracking until at the very, very end he clarified what he had said was no fracking on federal land. That I would believe though I'd still have to look it all up to be sure.)

But to someone who doesn't really follow the news I can't be entirely sure how it all plays out. I mean, all data we have indicates these debates aren't moving anyone and everyone's coming in with their minds made up so maybe it doesn't really matter but yeah.
He changed his stance to no new fracking on federal lands later on.

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Corrik7
10/22/20 10:58:35 PM
#271:


AMC considering bankruptcy.

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Jakyl25
10/22/20 10:58:55 PM
#272:


Corrik7 posted...
I think Russia annexes something else in Biden's term.


You do remember the Michael Flynn scandal when youre making all these claims about Biden being weaker on Russia, right?
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Inviso
10/22/20 10:59:01 PM
#273:


Corrik7 posted...
AMC considering bankruptcy.

The channel or the movie theater chain?

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Corrik7
10/22/20 11:00:35 PM
#274:


Inviso posted...
The channel or the movie theater chain?
Theatres.

https://mobile.twitter.com/megynkelly/status/1319467519820922881

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red sox 777
10/22/20 11:01:46 PM
#275:


Corrik7 posted...
AMC considering bankruptcy.

Oh, that was 2 days old news. Good, I was about to say I should have sold my CNK today.

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Corrik7
10/22/20 11:02:43 PM
#276:


Jakyl25 posted...
You do remember the Michael Flynn scandal when youre making all these claims about Biden being weaker on Russia, right?
I don't know what your point is here.

The fact remains that Russia literally invaded a nation and annexed a portion of their lands under Obama. You can't tell me a single thing Trump could have been weaker on than that response alone.

Clinton literally had to basically say she was going to war with Russia in Syria to take that mark away from here in that administration.

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Jakyl25
10/22/20 11:03:28 PM
#277:


Corrik7 posted...
AMC considering bankruptcy.


We should bail them out
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Corrik7
10/22/20 11:03:51 PM
#278:


With the red line in syria and crimea the Obama administration was just notoriously weak when it came to foreign policy period.

There is no denying that.

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red sox 777
10/22/20 11:03:58 PM
#279:


Jakyl25 posted...
You do remember the Michael Flynn scandal when youre making all these claims about Biden being weaker on Russia, right?

Think about it from Putin's point of view. If he annexes something while Trump is in charge it risks the US/Russia relationship. If he does with with a hostile US administration, well, they were hostile anyway, and he knows they won't do anything meaningful to stop him.

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Corrik7
10/22/20 11:05:10 PM
#280:


Jakyl25 posted...
We should bail them out
Don't think it's possible. Disney announced they are going to focus on streaming including same day digital releases. Theaters might be done across the board for big chains. It's a double whammy of covid and the opportunity to go digital and cut out the loss of revenues to theatre cuts.

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LordoftheMorons
10/22/20 11:23:41 PM
#281:


https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1319474464015503360

What a shocker

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red sox 777
10/22/20 11:31:32 PM
#282:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1319474464015503360

What a shocker

Of course corporate records show no role for Joe Biden. He's not stupid and they aren't stupid.

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LordoftheMorons
10/22/20 11:34:38 PM
#283:


One post debate poll: Biden +11

https://twitter.com/charlotteeffect/status/1319480498876485632

I saw another that was +13, but I'm not sure it's a legit pollster

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LordoftheMorons
10/22/20 11:35:44 PM
#284:


Also re:oil

https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/status/1319481526254522369

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red sox 777
10/22/20 11:41:20 PM
#285:


LordoftheMorons posted...
One post debate poll: Biden +11

https://twitter.com/charlotteeffect/status/1319480498876485632

I saw another that was +13, but I'm not sure it's a legit pollster

How much did Hillary win by?

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Corrik7
10/22/20 11:48:35 PM
#286:


LordoftheMorons posted...
One post debate poll: Biden +11

https://twitter.com/charlotteeffect/status/1319480498876485632

I saw another that was +13, but I'm not sure it's a legit pollster
Surprising the poll results are basically the same as the polls. Lol.

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LordoftheMorons
10/22/20 11:50:40 PM
#287:


I don't think these are very useful because they have so few people, but none of the voters in CNN's undecided voter panel thought Trump won

https://twitter.com/JoshSchwerin/status/1319485507848601600

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LordoftheMorons
10/22/20 11:52:11 PM
#288:


CNN instant poll: Biden +14

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1319486461310271489

My guess of +13 is looking pretty spot-on...!

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LordoftheMorons
10/23/20 12:08:26 AM
#289:


Also on windmills killing birds, a reminder that the biggest human-related cause of bird deaths are actually cats (~10000 times as many as windmills):

https://twitter.com/JakeLahut/status/1319466587393560577

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red13n
10/23/20 12:08:44 AM
#290:


The only way for that debate to be a "win" for Trump overall was him to be a big consensus winner.

The fact that there is even talk that Biden may have won is a big win for the Biden campaign.

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LordoftheMorons
10/23/20 12:18:36 AM
#291:


https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/status/1319491852509286400

Man arrested for plotting to assassinate Biden... and child porn

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Corrik7
10/23/20 12:19:14 AM
#292:


red13n posted...
The only way for that debate to be a "win" for Trump overall was him to be a big consensus winner.

The fact that there is even talk that Biden may have won is a big win for the Biden campaign.
Trump could have debated alone while Biden slept and he still would have lost to around the polls margin.

Debates are as partisan as anything else this day. People hear what they wanted to hear in debates.

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Xeybozn
10/23/20 12:24:21 AM
#293:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Man arrested for plotting to assassinate Biden... and child porn

I thought we all wanted child porn to be assassinated?
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LordoftheMorons
10/23/20 12:31:40 AM
#294:


YouGov/CBS: Biden +19

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1319495657632206848

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KamikazePotato
10/23/20 12:34:34 AM
#295:


Yeah you really can't ask for a better Who Won difference than one wider than the national average. Especially since moderates seem to be favoring Biden a lot.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/23/20 12:41:18 AM
#296:


Have a strong suspicion Trump is going to be completely tone deaf and start throwing everything into the oil fight.

He REALLY thought he got a huge gimme there at the end.

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xp1337
10/23/20 1:09:21 AM
#297:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1319474464015503360

What a shocker
WSJ's news side debunking WSJ's opinion side literally the same day is hilarious.

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Suprak the Stud
10/23/20 1:26:10 AM
#298:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Have a strong suspicion Trump is going to be completely tone deaf and start throwing everything into the oil fight.

He REALLY thought he got a huge gimme there at the end.

You could tell he was trying to get Biden to say that for like ten minutes, only he fumbled what exactly Biden's policy was so Biden didn't know what he was talking about at first.

"End federal oil subsidies" isn't exactly a radical, progressive opinion so uh good luck Trump trying to turn that into something I guess.

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Suprak the Stud
10/23/20 1:27:34 AM
#299:


I mean Trump is so desperate for Pennsylvania (rightly so) he is probably willing to lose points elsewhere if it shifts things in his direction in Pennsylvania at all.

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TheRock1525
10/23/20 7:45:45 AM
#300:


Glad to see someone come to Rudy's poor defense:

https://twitter.com/BoratSagdiyev/status/1319431436550561792

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Seanchan
10/23/20 8:04:43 AM
#301:


Yeah, so last night went about as well as expected...

The Giants shit the bed in the last few minutes and killed any chance of relevance this season.

Trump "won" the debate, in as much as he wasn't the complete cartoon failure he was last time. I just assume 80% of everything he says is a lie but that hardly seems to matter any more for hm. In reality, I don't think that debate moves the needle at all, and I'm glad to see some "instant polls" show the split at essentially the polling averages. But I'm still super nervous for Nov 3rd because the race WILL tighten and with the way things have gone you just never know.

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