Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 323: Peaceful Transition of Topics

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metroid composite posted...

So apparently the strategy from QAnon is to attack Hillary Clinton, and also lie and tell people they aren't from QAnon.

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1310724092945928194

I take it QAnon people haven't realized Hillary isn't running for election this time around?

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So...apparently a member of the grand jury in the Breonna case is crying foul, cause the evidence presented to them contradicts some public statements from the same prosecutor:

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1310725296174309377

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Meanwhile in Maine

https://twitter.com/reporterporter/status/1310721274646335488

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https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1310560314312679425

Not a fan of politics used as theatre, but with that said, I'm still busting out the popcorn

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Meanwhile in Maine

https://twitter.com/reporterporter/status/1310721274646335488

I mean

good for democrats?

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By the way, is Trump's tax returns being released in full feel really surreal to anyone else? This has been a talking point about Trump longer than maybe anything else. Now it's out there and it's exactly what everyone expected. Just feels weird.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I mean

good for democrats?

Maine has ranked choice so I don't think it'll impact Collins much

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https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2020/09/28/christopher-cantwell-guilty

"Crying nazi" Christopher Cantwell was found guilty of extortion and threats.

Didn't Muffin give money to this guy?

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https://twitter.com/asfleischman/status/1310589959112462337?s=21

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Huh, apparently the Pope isn't meeting with Mike Pompeo because he doesn't like the US attempting to intervene in a deal the Vatican made with China. Who knew the US government was trying to run the Catholic Church!

A poll just came out that has Trump up by only 1 in Alaska.

I assumed it was a crazy outlier but checked 538 out of curiosity, and apparently there have only been four polls of Alaska this year, all with Trump between +1 and +6:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/alaska/

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Didn't a poll come out in 2016 with Clinton in the lead in Alaska and trump easily carried the state.

I guess it was Trump +3. He carried by 15+.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

A poll just came out that has Trump up by only 1 in Alaska.

I assumed it was a crazy outlier but checked 538 out of curiosity, and apparently there have only been four polls of Alaska this year, all with Trump between +1 and +6:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/alaska/

Alaska is interesting demographically, cause it's split between multiple cultures.

Alaska's panhandle is similar culturally to Vancouver, Seattle, and Portland (where Juneau Alaska is located).

Alaska does have a region that is similar politically to somewhere like Montana (the part with Anchorage). This is the most populous region that usually controls state politics.

And then Alaska has a third region that is basically First Nations, where the natives were like "fuck you we never ceeded our land" and the courts were like "huh, yeah, there's no paperwork saying otherwise cause nobody went up there, guess it's yours now." That's the region changing the name of all the mountains that were named after US presidents back to traditional names in their old languages.

Anyway, two of these regions fucking hate Trump, and the third Montana-ish region...has some potential to swing (much like Montana does--kind of hates both parties, and the government in general, which for now has allied them more with republicans, but it's a shakable alliance).

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LordoftheMorons posted...

A poll just came out that has Trump up by only 1 in Alaska.

I assumed it was a crazy outlier but checked 538 out of curiosity, and apparently there have only been four polls of Alaska this year, all with Trump between +1 and +6:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/alaska/

It was a democratic polling firm. I wouldn't put too much weight into it.

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Alaska just isn't polled often (or by high quality pollsters). In every poll on 538 there Biden is only down between 1-6 points. And both extremes are marked as a partisan poll!

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Yeah the problem is my parents don't have U.S. Citizenship.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2020/09/28/christopher-cantwell-guilty

"Crying nazi" Christopher Cantwell was found guilty of extortion and threats.

Didn't Muffin give money to this guy?

he also hung out with cantwell and said cantwell's blog was "the closest thing he'd ever seen to his own DWMF blog"!

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But don't call him a nazi, guys

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"Why don't you like Tulsi?" People ask.

Because she props up Project Vertias of all things. That's why.

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i don't like tulsi because she endorsed biden

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I don't like Tulsi because she's an opportunistic troll. In 2016, she faked giving a shit about progressive policies to score points when she endorsed Bernie over Hillary, and parlayed that into just bitching about the Democratic Party, including the progressive wing, in 2020.

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I dislike tulsi because she's an Assad apologist

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https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1310915882483359751

uhhh... wut? (0:57)

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https://www.nbcwashington.com/lx/new-poll-reveals-republicans-more-likely-than-democrats-to-prioritize-winning-debate-over-telling-truth/2430457/

The new NBCLX/YouGov poll, conducted of 3,190 Americans online from Sept. 25-28, found 83% of respondents who indicated they had a preferred presidential candidate said always telling the truth in the debate was more important than their candidate saying what he needs to say to win the debate. That includes 88% of those who identified as Democrats, compared to 81% who identified as independent and 75% who identified as Republicans.

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When further pressed on the definition of truth, Republicans responded Whatever Trump says.

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HashtagSEP posted...

When further pressed on the definition of truth, Republicans responded Whatever Trump says.

This world exists only in Trump's imagination. You're just living in it.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-secretly-mocks-his-christian-supporters/616522/

Will this finally be enough for Christians to realize that Trump is not the religious leader that they think he is?

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-secretly-mocks-his-christian-supporters/616522/

Will this finally be enough for Christians to realize that Trump is not the religious leader that they think he is?

You have to understand that most of Trump's evangelical support comes from power and policy, not thinking he is true believer.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-secretly-mocks-his-christian-supporters/616522/

Will this finally be enough for Christians to realize that Trump is not the religious leader that they think he is?

People analogize him to Cyrus the Great of Persia, and he was not Christian/Jewish either. I think a Republican congressional candidate in Georgia compared herself to Attila the Hun as well.

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Now, remember what happened with the pagan Attila - after calling himself the "scourge of God" and conquering and pillaging through Europe, he reached the defenseless City of Rome after having beaten its armies. There Pope Leo met Attila and spoke with him privately, and then the Huns just left.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

You have to understand that most of Trump's evangelical support comes from power and policy, not thinking he is true believer.

red sox 777 posted...

People analogize him to Cyrus the Great of Persia, and he was not Christian/Jewish either. I think a Republican congressional candidate in Georgia compared herself to Attila the Hun as well.

I understand that my experience is anecdotal, but that is NOT how Trump is referenced in my church or by other believes that i know. Many of them think that he is a born again believe with a heart for doing God's will.

Being a democrat and a Christian is often an exercise in frustration. -_-

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I understand that my experience is anecdotal, but that is NOT how Trump is referenced in my church or by other believes that i know. Many of them think that he is a born again believe with a heart for doing God's will.

Being a democrat and a Christian is often an exercise in frustration. -_-

I will defer to you as I've been to very few church events in the last few years.

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My Dad, Christian, Mason, and member of the Sons of the Confederate Veterans adores Trump and simply dismisses anything bad about him. He believes he's the messenger of god and says anything to the contrary is fake. And then repeats nonsense that rioters have been routinely barricading people inside their homes/businesses and setting them on fire without batting an eye.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Will this finally be enough for Christians to realize that Trump is not the religious leader that they think he is?

That would mean Christians have principles. They don't. Or at least not Evangelicals.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-secretly-mocks-his-christian-supporters/616522/

Will this finally be enough for Christians to realize that Trump is not the religious leader that they think he is?

They didn't abandon ship when he gassed his own people for a church photo op. Not holding my breath.

It often boils down to

"Trump is creating peace in the middle east" therefore he doing God's work.

But it disregards the fact that the dispute is between Isreal and Palestine and none of the "peace agreements" involve Palestine!

That would be like if you have 2 children who both claim that a basketball belongs to them. And rather than make an agreement between those 2 children about who owns the basketball, you get a THIRD child from down to block to agree with one of the first two.

And somehow that's a peaceful resolution.

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It's willful ignorance to an absurd degree.

It's the same thing with abortion.

I personally think there should be as FEW abortions as possible. As a result I think we should fund programs like planned parenthood that will help reduce the likelihood of unplanned pregnancy. And I believe we should support sexual education programs that will provide teenagers with the information that they need that will reduce the likelihood of unplanned pregnancy.

The legality of abortion isn't the only factor here. People would still GET abortions if they had an unplanned pregnancy. But the lack of pragmatism by Christians always astounds me. They would rather take the lofty approach of outlawing abortion without recognizing the contributing factors that could be considered to tangibly reduce the need for abortions.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I understand that my experience is anecdotal, but that is NOT how Trump is referenced in my church or by other believes that i know. Many of them think that he is a born again believe with a heart for doing God's will.

Being a democrat and a Christian is often an exercise in frustration. -_-

I defer to your experiences but I don't think this is incompatible with my take. My main point is that Trump and his admin take plenty of "pro-Christian" power moves and for a lot of the base, the action is enough. Also, I think people in Trump's circle are true believers or knowledgeable enough to feed him the right things to say. That's all I mean.

Now, the rationalizations and whether white Christian nationalism is an enactment of "God's Will" I will leave to the judgement of individuals.

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There are only two things Trump likes about Christianity:

Their get-rich-quick schemes that work out so well for the likes of people like Joel Osteen and the way they get away with not paying taxes. And the T necklaces, which he no doubt think stand for Trump.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

"Trump is creating peace in the middle east" therefore he doing God's work.

But it disregards the fact that the dispute is between Isreal and Palestine and none of the "peace agreements" involve Palestine!

My very cynical take on this is that Christianity as a religion has a very obvious vested interest in peace in specifically Israel and Trump's actions prioritizing Israel approach it from that angle and not a material, social, or geopolitical one.

Like what else does recognizing Jerusalem as the capital and moving the embassy accomplish more than being powerful religious symbolism?

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the fact that someone as unbelievably fake christian as trump can be president in the US is actually promising, really.

maybe there will be an openly atheist american president during my lifetime (lol).

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Dancedreamer posted...

That would mean Christians have principles. They don't. Or at least not Evangelicals.

That's one take.

The even more cynical take would be that the evangelical church was founded before the civil war, and was the only institution that the south controlled during reconstruction--and therefore the only institution they could use to push their ideas against the ideas the north was trying to push on them. (The south would ultimately win that cultural battle and impose Jim Crow laws).

...Which would mean that the Evangelical church DOES have principles. ...Principles of white supremacy.

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There is no "evangelical church." It's not a centralized organization. There are a lot of loosely aligned local churches who share a common outlook on life which can be described as "evangelical."

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But as far as principles, there are plenty, the first and foremost of which: the ends justify the means.

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metroid composite posted...

The even more cynical take would be that the evangelical church was founded before the civil war, and was the only institution that the south controlled during reconstruction--and therefore the only institution they could use to push their ideas against the ideas the north was trying to push on them. (The south would ultimately win that cultural battle and impose Jim Crow laws).

I have an even more cynical take, but I don't wish to offend any Christians here.

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Interesting legal case in Canada:

https://twitter.com/i/events/1310918173148016640

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metroid composite posted...

Interesting legal case in Canada:

https://twitter.com/i/events/1310918173148016640

That seems pretty obvious, no?

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acab

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