Board 8 > Coronavirus Topic 9

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Yeah, the US has famously reported people who died in car accidents, of overdoses, and even suicides, as COVID deaths so long as they tested positive at some point.

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Sounds like conspiracy theory fuel for plandemic believers. But I can also see how that may be true. Not just in reporting car accidents, suicides, etc., which honestly there is no justification for, but even when say, an elderly person with terminal cancer contracts coronavirus and dies...check the box for another coronavirus death....ummm...wait a minute, really?


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I mean, what I say is from my job which has advised multiple hospitals on this, as many of them asked us if it would be legal to do and we were like "Yeah, go for it." It doesn't outright say death by Coronavirus, it's reported to whatever they have to report the numbers to as Coronavirus-related. I don't know if that's the number they take when they talk about COVID deaths or not, but it's definitely how this sort of thing is reported from hospitals.

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For what it's worth I know someone who works at a hospital and says she's been told the same thing.

I mean I'm sure the numbers are at least something resembling the truth because you can only fiddle with em so much but yeah.

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From my experience, cause of death is a lot more complicated than one would think and the factors related to it can be numerous.

Using the terminal cancer example. Sure, the patient was going to die soon, but COVID-19 could have hasten their death. On the flip side, people die from secondary infections so technically you could argue that it wasn't COVID-19 that did it.

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guffguy89 posted...

Sounds like conspiracy theory fuel for plandemic believers.

And yet it's also true - so maybe you should re-evaluate your priors on what counts as a "conspiracy theory" and how likely they are...

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MA reports cases as separate but added. Deaths I am not sure but we talk about excess mortality so we dont get stuck in the SmartMuffin/ProvateBiscuit hellhole


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The number of people who have coronavirus and die of something else (and would have died without corona anyway) would be completely negligible. By assumption the two events are independent, and your absolute chances of being infected by covid so far and dying of something else in a particular few month span are both very low.

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guffguy89 posted...

check the box for another coronavirus death....ummm...wait a minute, really?

If they wouldn't have died at that moment without covid, yes, covid related death.

neonreaper posted...

MA reports cases as separate but added. Deaths I am not sure but we talk about excess mortality so we dont get stuck in the SmartMuffin/ProvateBiscuit hellhole

Why am I being linked with SMuffin here? All I said was a fact about how the hospitals report deaths when COVID is involved. I literally even said I didn't know if that's how they take the COVID death stats more than once.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I can't confirm whether or not the stats we get are truly all people who die of COVID-19 or not, but hospitals report any deaths of people who had COVID-19 and passed, even if they technically didn't pass because of COVID-19, as COVID-related deaths in order to get better funding.

Source: My job

I can only state that we are not doing that at the hospital I work at.

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I find it really strange that they wouldn't report it like that at your hospital considering it's not only allowed for more funding but encouraged. My sister who works at a hospital in Philly is also saying that's how they're reporting it also.

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It's the decision of the higher ups. They feel its important to give accurate data.

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To expand on my previous post: if the deaths being recorded as covid deaths are of all deaths of people who are confirmed covid positive, then *at most* you've overcounted covid deaths by a factor of 1+P(death given covid in time t)/P(death given no covid in time t). Since a person's chances of dying with covid are much higher than their chances of dying without covid in a short span of time (a few months here), that factor will not be much higher than 1. Do there exist some number of recorded covid deaths that were actually caused by something else, unexacerbated by covid? Most likely yes, but I would be shocked if they outnumbered actual covid deaths that we've just missed (and if deaths were actually, say, 135k instead of 139k that would not change our qualitative assessment of the impact of the virus at all).

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Maniac64 posted...

It's the decision of the higher ups. They feel its important to give accurate data.

For the record I'm in a small city in Iowa so it's not like we have a lot of COVID cases.

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Looking at the CDC about 1 million Americans would have died over the last four months (in a normal year), wouldn't that give an error of around 14k or am I misunderstanding your formula?

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charmander6000 posted...

Looking at the CDC about 1 million Americans would have died over the last four months (in a normal year), wouldn't that give an error of around 14k or am I misunderstanding your formula?

I stated a few months, but actually I think the relevant timescale would be the average time that a given person has covid before dying (I'm getting conflicting numbers on this from googling, but it seems to be on the order of a few weeks?), at least assuming they're not being recorded as covid deaths if they test positive, recover, and then die of something else a month or two later.

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https://apnews.com/e4d5259bfc6c74fcb090d885737c55a6?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

Apparently over half had an adverse effect of some type and 21% had serious ones. Still hopeful news though.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://apnews.com/e4d5259bfc6c74fcb090d885737c55a6?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

Apparently over half had an adverse effect of some type and 21% had serious ones. Still hopeful news though.

I'm obviously not a scientist and I'm not expecting people here to be, but if there are multiple strains of the virus is this still cause for optimism? Serious question.

colliding posted...

I'm obviously not a scientist and I'm not expecting people here to be, but if there are multiple strains of the virus is this still cause for optimism? Serious question.

So the way the Coronavirus works is that it mutates towards the end of the sequence. Which means the mutations are generally less of mutations and many if not all strains can be contained via a single vaccine many scientists believe

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colliding posted...

I'm obviously not a scientist and I'm not expecting people here to be, but if there are multiple strains of the virus is this still cause for optimism? Serious question.

They still typically share several markers held the antibodies, so they are still effective.

Its likely any vaccine would be modified yearly like the flu vaccine.

Corrik7 posted...

Apparently over half had an adverse effect of some type and 21% had serious ones. Still hopeful news though.

Sounds very similar to the flu vaccine so far.

Leafeon13N posted...

Sounds very similar to the flu vaccine so far.

Idk. Everytime I get sick after a flu vaccine my doctor scoffs and says it is impossible cuz it is a dead injection. Lol.

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colliding posted...

I'm obviously not a scientist and I'm not expecting people here to be, but if there are multiple strains of the virus is this still cause for optimism? Serious question.

Since the S-protein of the virus is what's targeted with antibodies, mutations related to that protein are important for conferring immunity. There was a significant one that likely happened very early on referred to as 'D614G' which is theorized to make it spread more easily but so far neutralizing antibodies seem to attack it as successfully as it does antigens of the original sequencing. So yes, it's cause for optimism as long as the antibodies still successfully neutralize the virus.

It's definitely still an area of concern, though, but so far it seems unlikely to be an immediate one. I imagine it could mutate sometime later in a way that requires new vaccines adapted for new strains.

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Thanks for the responses! I guess there are scientists on the board, haha.

There are, but I'm not one of them. I just like relaying information that I find since I've been pretty absorbed in all of this since January.

Coronavirus has been a weird journey for me since I've been disabled with OCD for years. It's the exact kind of thing that should be my worst nightmare. But I've found it therapeutic to not shy away from learning about it and makes me feel less helpless.

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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483?query=featured_home

NEJM article detailing the findings of the Phase I study, btw

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Apparently over half had an adverse effect of some type and 21% had serious ones. Still hopeful news though.

Some 80% of people who get COVID have no serious symptoms whatsoever.

This cure will literally be worse than the disease. And they'll make it mandatory. Because it isn't about your health, it's about government control.

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Are you still anti-forced-vaccinations because you care more about personal liberty than public health?
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You'd think he'd be all for forced vaccinations, the sooner that happens the sooner those bars open back up.

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"They're closing stuff down, fuck them!"
"They're opening back up but I have to wear a mask, fuck them!"
"They're closing back down because people didn't wear masks, fuck them!"
"They're creating a vaccine that will lead to things being able to open up again, fuck them!"

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Corrik7 posted...

https://apnews.com/e4d5259bfc6c74fcb090d885737c55a6?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

Apparently over half had an adverse effect of some type and 21% had serious ones. Still hopeful news though.

the article you linked to says that there were no serious side effects and the 21% having worse symptoms than others were all in the higher dosage group. I dunno if youre just baiting SMuff but like, not a great summary

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StealThisSheen posted...

"They're closing stuff down, fuck them!"
"They're opening back up but I have to wear a mask, fuck them!"
"They're closing back down because people didn't wear masks, fuck them!"
"They're creating a vaccine that will lead to things being able to open up again, fuck them!"

https://youtu.be/DtMV44yoXZ0

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neonreaper posted...

the article you linked to says that there were no serious side effects and the 21% having worse symptoms than others were all in the higher dosage group. I dunno if youre just baiting SMuff but like, not a great summary

I took someone else's word for what it said. They said half exhibited a symptom of some sort and 21% had 1 serious symptom at least. So, if that's not accurate then oops. That said, they were also saying moderna isn't a trustworthy company also so who knows.

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https://i.redd.it/9e3qjp4o5wa51.jpg

Gonna be muffin once someone close to him gets it haha.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/01/official-us-coronavirus-death-

toll-is-a-substantial-undercount-of-actual-tally-new-yale-study-finds.html

womp womp

take our the space after death-

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I got directly exposed at work by someone on my caseload who ive seen multiple times the past week. He let me know by sending me a message saying that he just test positive followed by a laughing crying emoji. Thanks bro

2 weeks of work from home

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Corrik7 posted...

https://i.redd.it/9e3qjp4o5wa51.jpg

Gonna be muffin once someone close to him gets it haha.

Surprised Trump hasn't signed Woolery on to his staff yet.
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weird how this disease has been "ravaging the country" for 4+ months, and my area in particular is said to have been slammed and hit hard and being devastated and the hospitals are overwhelmed for 1.5+ months, and I still don't know anyone who has it

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SmartMuffin posted...

Some 80% of people who get COVID have no serious symptoms whatsoever.

This cure will literally be worse than the disease. And they'll make it mandatory. Because it isn't about your health, it's about government control.

https://gamesfiends.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/conspiracy.jpg

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SmartMuffin posted...

weird how this disease has been "ravaging the country" for 4+ months, and my area in particular is said to have been slammed and hit hard and being devastated and the hospitals are overwhelmed for 1.5+ months, and I still don't know anyone who has it

the only possible conclusion is that covid doesn't actually exist. it's a lie that the government is using to control us.

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love how muffin is back to his old "if i personally don't see it, it doesn't exist" ways.

"how can global warming exist? it's snowing here in april!"
"covid is a big deal? i personally don't know anyone who has it! surely it can't be THAT bad!"

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https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-director-universal-masking-could-control-virus-in-weeks-2020-7

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Lol

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Im positive we all had it last year. Remember when we were all coughing and sweaty in November, but none of us had the flu?

if thats the case, shouldnt there have been an abnormally high number of elderly people dying in November?
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RaidenGarai posted...

https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-director-universal-masking-could-control-virus-in-weeks-2020-7

I liked this better when it was in March and they told us a two-week lockdown would keep it under control.

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SmartMuffin posted...

I liked this better when it was in March and they told us a two-week lockdown would keep it under control

We never did a 2 week lockdown.

SmartMuffin posted...

I liked this better when it was in March and they told us a two-week lockdown would keep it under control.

Nah, I'm sure you were too busy whining about the reptilians stripping you of your freedoms as an American to actually partake in such an endeavor.
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it was 90 percent of people for two weeks but to be honest I dont think it would have been the end of coronavirus.

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