Board 8 > Coronavirus Topic 9

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Wolf must have listened to me about how dumb his idea was and did NOT reinstate a 2 week lockdown on bars and restaurants in surrounding areas of Allegheny County despite telling the leaders he intended to on Wednesday. The girl gets to have her wedding tomorrow. That said, Kennywood, Idlewild, and Sandcastle all opened yesterday... And are now sued.

A woman who has diagnosed anxiety and a child who has diagnosed autism were denied entry for not having masks. They explained their issues and were forced to leave causing a freak out by the child. Suing them for failing to comply to accomodations to their disabilities under the ADA.

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https://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1281778023935737858

This is pretty amazing. Over half of the deaths they reported in the last week actually occurred in March and April. This is such blatant statistical manipulation for the purposes of inciting panic. They are going back in time, "finding" deaths from the first wave, reporting them this week, and pointing to this week's reported numbers as justification to scare you into thinking the second wave is spiking.

"Everything they say is a lie" is closer to truth than it is to fiction.

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I dunno but I do know the headline read today the highest case total since March 10th or something today. Then tucked in the article at the end is that 175 or (17%) was old cases added.

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Honestly, I am completely serious about this. The US government and all associated agencies is no more honest or reliable than the Soviet government was. It's all propaganda. None of it is real.

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SmartMuffin posted...

Honestly, I am completely serious about this. The US government and all associated agencies is no more honest or reliable than the Soviet government was. It's all propaganda. None of it is real.

https://gamesfiends.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/conspiracy.jpg

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Corrik7 posted...

A woman who has diagnosed anxiety and a child who has diagnosed autism were denied entry for not having masks. They explained their issues and were forced to leave causing a freak out by the child. Suing them for failing to comply to accomodations to their disabilities under the ADA.

Thats interesting. I wonder where the legal line is drawn between accommodating disabilities and protecting public health when those ideas are in conflict
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Jakyl25 posted...

Thats interesting. I wonder where the legal line is drawn between accommodating disabilities and protecting public health when those ideas are in conflict

Idk. I feel like she might actually win. A person I know on Facebook witnessed it and was calling her tons of insults over it online. But, I think there might be a legitimate case. While they were ordered to require masks, the orders always have exceptions for medical reasons... Which you don't even have to disclose. It is why actually enforcing the order is so hard.

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It probably depends on if they offered any other sort of reasonable accommodation, like a face shield. Just letting them in with no protection at all to potentially spread an airborne virus during a pandemic could probably be argued in court as unreasonable due to the threat to others.

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WazzupGenius00 posted...

It probably depends on if they offered any other sort of reasonable accommodation, like a face shield. Just letting them in with no protection at all to potentially spread an airborne virus during a pandemic could probably be argued in court as unreasonable due to the threat to others.

They ordered them to leave and removed them with security as the kid screamed, to my knowledge.

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My cousin in Arizona said she recovered taste today and feels like she is pretty much recovered from covid-19. So that's good. Dude from my pool league is still in ICU with covid-19 and double pneumonia.

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Corrik7 posted...

A woman who has diagnosed anxiety and a child who has diagnosed autism were denied entry for not having masks. They explained their issues and were forced to leave causing a freak out by the child. Suing them for failing to comply to accomodations to their disabilities under the ADA.

I don't really get what those disabilities have to do with wearing a mask?

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Waluigi1 posted...

I don't really get what those disabilities have to do with wearing a mask?

I mean, do you not know how those disabilities work or something?

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unless youre actively having a panic attack I dont see how anxiety would affect your ability to wear a mask
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"autistic people can't wear masks"? wut?

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

unless youre actively having a panic attack I dont see how anxiety would affect your ability to wear a mask

Not everyone who has anxiety may have issues with a mask. People with anxiety can have issues with a mask. I mean, you would have to not have an idea of how anxiety works in people to not see how. Some people can be unable to go to a store due to anxiety or to drive a car due to anxiety or go in public due to anxiety or so on. Why would wearing a mask somehow be able to be magically exempt from anxiety?

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

"autistic people can't wear masks"? wut?

And, I guess to humor Lasa's daily attempt to argue with me, while showing his ignorance to autism.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/helping-people-with-autism-spectrum-disorder-manage-masks-and-covid-19-tests-2020061020089

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2020/05/11/some-autistic-people-cant-tolerate-face-masks-heres-how-were-managing-with-our-son/

https://www.visiontimes.com/2020/05/21/helping-children-with-autism-deal-with-face-masks.html


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https://cbs12.com/news/local/florida-breaks-another-single-day-coronavirus-record-with-more-than-15000-cases

So this is the highest day total for any state ever. However, it was also on 142k tests and the death rate remains relatively low.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://cbs12.com/news/local/florida-breaks-another-single-day-coronavirus-record-with-more-than-15000-cases

So this is the highest day total for any state ever. However, it was also on 142k tests and the death rate remains relatively low.

Death is the laggiest of lag stats. And a 1% death rate means 150 more deaths from this.

Maybe I can finally go get my negative test if they are testing 140k people a day now. I know when I was really struggling to get tested it had dipped down to like 70k when it had previously been like 110-120k. I wonder if they reopened some testing sites.

Looks like there was 1371 positives in my county so I assume about 12-14k tests here. Looking at the death toll it's now up to 80 for this county from 69 when I last checked a few days back. Disney overlaps with this county and Osceola and Osceola is at 31 deaths (which is the same as a few days ago). +306 cases there.

There was 45 deaths reported today for Florida.

It is weekend numbers and it is expected that his huge dump of numbers is a bunch of backloaded tests finally getting released.

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Just looking at the stats for the other surrounding counties to Orange, I wonder if positives are attributed to testing location rather than patient location.

I know that the majority of the test sites are in Orange County and people will drive in to Orange to get tested because places like Seminole, Lake, Osceola just don't have the same number of locations.

ShatteredElysium posted...

Just looking at the stats for the other surrounding counties to Orange, I wonder if positives are attributed to testing location rather than patient location.

I know that the majority of the test sites are in Orange County and people will drive in to Orange to get tested because places like Seminole, Lake, Osceola just don't have the same number of locations.

I think they sort that out later. Initially they count non-resident and they sort it later on.

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Seems that adjusting for population Wisconsin is in more dire straits than Florida. Which makes sense given what I have heard about what people are saying/doing up there (unless I've managed to only hear one side of it)

https://twitter.com/Chad_Cotti/status/1282147497062862848

What are you hearing?

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Corrik7 posted...

Not everyone who has anxiety may have issues with a mask. People with anxiety can have issues with a mask. I mean, you would have to not have an idea of how anxiety works in people to not see how. Some people can be unable to go to a store due to anxiety or to drive a car due to anxiety or go in public due to anxiety or so on. Why would wearing a mask somehow be able to be magically exempt from anxiety?

Frankly, it's pretty clear people like this are suing just for the money and convenience of it, not because they've actually been discriminated against. I'm sure you actually realize this but just want to fight the good fight.
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That people just don't take it seriously up there with wearing masks and social distancing. Matches up with the few people I know from up there where either they aren't taking it seriously or the ones that do take it seriously are complaining about how bad everyone else is. I've also seen a few news articles that seem to match up with that.

I'm not really a very political person but I am aware that a lot of the things I see on social media is more left leaning than right so that may play into it?

It's pretty obvious that the solution for many states at this point is to revert back to full stay at home orders for a couple weeks.

But 0 states would have the nerve to do it and the federal government isn't going to approve.

I'm sure this has been posted before but this site seems to give some pretty good data

https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/

v_charon posted...

Frankly, it's pretty clear people like this are suing just for the money and convenience of it, not because they've actually been discriminated against. I'm sure you actually realize this but just want to fight the good fight.

I am not fighting any fight. I just reported what happened, then people acted like they didn't understand how those issues could impact it. So, I explained how it could.

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I hate that wearing masks or not is even a polical thing. So stupid.

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Corrik7 posted...

I am not fighting any fight. I just reported what happened, then people acted like they didn't understand how those issues could impact it. So, I explained how it could.

People like that need to be called out for what they are; they should never be made excuses for or shown in any light but a negative one. Doing so makes you look like an apologist. This woman and all the others I'm sure that want to follow in her footsteps are everything wrong with this country.
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As the media continues to push the narrative that cases in Houston are spiking because of ignorant hick Republicans who hate science and are ignoring social distancing because they want old people to die, somebody actually ran the numbers and...

https://twitter.com/boriquagato/status/1282342925519601664

It turns out that, according to Google mobility data, not only is the state of Texas social distancing more than the US average, Harris County (all of the city of Houston and most of its outlying suburbs) is social distancing more than the Texas average.

One more piece of data strongly suggesting lockdowns aren't really the issue.

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Wisconsin is fucked. Evers can't do anything because Vos, Fitzgerald, and the other Republicans at state level have messed everything up. We were one of the states who were handling this best at the start, and then those fucking morons stepped in and overturned everything Evers did because they don't give a fuck about anything or anybody but themselves.

There was a big flea market here two weeks ago an an old parking lot for a grocery store/Shopko that went out of business, and it was packed. Shoulder to shoulder. Hardly anybody wearing masks. I wore a mask in to pick up a carry out order from a local restaurant, and people looked at me like I was an alien.

People here are stupid, selfish, and did I mention stupid?


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v_charon posted...

People like that need to be called out for what they are; they should never be made excuses for or shown in any light but a negative one. Doing so makes you look like an apologist. This woman and all the others I'm sure that want to follow in her footsteps are everything wrong with this country.

How do you know it is not legit? The question is how does the law view it if it is a legit issue.

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Corrik7 posted...

How do you know it is not legit? The question is how does the law view it if it is a legit issue.

Because I'm not an idiot? It's the same issue we've heard about again and again. It's the same people who think masks prevent oxygen, a molecule, from getting in yet do nothing to prevent a virus, a particle far larger, from getting out. I also question someone with anxiety, which I myself have, going to a theme park featuring thrill rides and rollercoasters and insist on during it during a pandemic, and don't want to take proper precautions. Doesn't sound much like anxiety to me, sorry. Pathetic to drag along an autistic child so you can get a free ride from the legal system, which I can't imagine will work anyway. I'm not going to say she is making up her condition since she has a diagnosis, but a lot of people have medical conditions which prevent them from doing certain activities.
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Saw something earlier from a UCSF professor that suggested that masks (plus social distancing) may be contributing to why we're seeing more non-severe cases of COVID relative to the overall new cases.

It's not really a new idea-- basically that masks are reducing the viral load when people are exposed, and a lower viral load may lead to less severe cases. The second part of this is the big question as far as I'm aware, as it hasn't been definitively proven that smaller viral load has a direct relationship with severity. But if that's the case it lends further credence to wearing masks even when the efficacy may be well below 100%.

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v_charon posted...

Because I'm not an idiot? It's the same issue we've heard about again and again. It's the same people who think masks prevent oxygen, a molecule, from getting in yet do nothing to prevent a virus, a particle far larger, from getting out. I also question someone with anxiety, which I myself have, going to a theme park featuring thrill rides and rollercoasters and insist on during it during a pandemic, and don't want to take proper precautions. Doesn't sound much like anxiety to me, sorry. Pathetic to drag along an autistic child so you can get a free ride from the legal system, which I can't imagine will work anyway. I'm not going to say she is making up her condition since she has a diagnosis, but a lot of people have medical conditions which prevent them from doing certain activities.

So, you know someone's case is frivolous because you have seen it before. Wowee.

Again. The question isn't whether it is frivolous or not. We are not privy to information to determine that. What the question is, as Jakyl said, is a question if how the law would rule in regards to it if it is not a frivolous case.

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VintageGin posted...

Saw something earlier from a UCSF professor that suggested that masks (plus social distancing) may be contributing to why we're seeing more non-severe cases of COVID relative to the overall new cases.

It's not really a new idea-- basically that masks are reducing the viral load when people are exposed, and a lower viral load may lead to less severe cases. The second part of this is the big question as far as I'm aware, as it hasn't been definitively proven that smaller viral load has a direct relationship with severity. But if that's the case it lends further credence to wearing masks even when the efficacy may be well below 100%.

This is likely not the case, imo. Because we know there was a ton of non-severe cases that happened and were not caught by testing prior to mask mandates. Spain estimates for everyone 1 case caught was 9 not caught for example due to overloaded testing and asymptomatics.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Our media and government is legitimately worse than the Soviet Union ever was.

The Soviet Union didn't have anything close to a free and independent press.

They were not concepts that were allowed to exist. In any circle.

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12347495

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That makes sense as I feel like the most likely place I got it from is either the door handle or the parcel drop handle at the post office. There are other possibilities but that seems the most likely from the limited options, especially as I haven't seen them wipe down anything at that office or have any sort of precautions except 'only 2 people inside the area with staff at a time'

That was also the place where I ran out of sanitizer in my house so wasn't able to wash my hands until I got home like 5 minutes later (by which point my car would be infected I guess)

UltimaterializerX posted...

Our media and government is legitimately worse than the Soviet Union ever was.

lol Ulti

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soviet union: *kills millions of people*
ulti: the US government is worse because i can't go to a bar in the middle of a pandemic!

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https://twitter.com/IsabelaRM1/status/1282520093176541185

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Yet the US is still very high even discounting NY so it doesn't really make for a good look regardless.
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muffin on facebook:

And I'm not trying to suggest that social distancing, lockdowns, or mask wearing has no effect whatsoever and can't help reduce the spread.

muffin on board 8:

All I know is that lockdowns and masks are clearly and obviously NOT the answer.

interesting discrepancy.

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Yeah, my personal Facebook (which I make like one post to every couple months) includes friends, family, coworkers, etc. As in, people whose opinions of me actually matter. I have to avoid promoting heresy or wrongthink there.

With you silly randos, I can say whatever I want. You already think I'm pure evil incarnate, so why hold back?

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yeah, what you want and don't want to post is your call to make, obviously. but personally, i'd rather not say anything about covid at all than post something disingenuous about it because i don't want to say what i REALLY think >_>

if i thought that lockdowns and masks are wrong, i'd feel pretty bad about insinuating that they do work!

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I actually don't think I'm as inconsistent as you're implying.

My position is NOT that "masks cannot provide any benefits." My position IS that there is no particular evidence that masks are the reason some locations have had more or less cases than others.

My theory is that there are multiple, currently unknown, factors that determine both how fast the disease spreads and how deadly it is to those who contract it. And that these "unknown factors" are far more important and move the needle much farther than mask adoption or social distancing (government enforced social distancing in particular). So it could simultaneously be true that "masks help" and also true that "masks have nothing to do with why location X did better or worse than location Y."

It's like if I asked you, "What should I do to avoid contracting hypothermia?" and you said "Wear a warm hat!" It's true that in general wearing a warm hat would help me from getting too cold. But it's also true that if I jumped in a frozen river, I would get hypothermia and die, regardless of whether I was wearing a hat or not. That doesn't mean "hats don't keep you warm," it just mean that hats are largely irrelevant in the presence of other, more critical, factors.

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