Poll of the Day > Any PoTD brothers or sisters waiting on PSO 2 for PC like me? Shall we.....

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I got Ilgrants already (Thats the one with all the little homing light attacks right?), it was just a normal drop I think. I use that alot especially against dark falz etc.

But they have one in the shop you recommended to me, to trade in photons for I think that combines ice and light, it says it creates daggers and throws em at the enemy or something. I bet it gets bonuses from both my ice and light trees if I boost ice....and that would probably be the best.

It's expensive though 40 photons or whatever. I have enough for it but that would be like all of em. I'm gonna do a search and see if I can see it in action. My current spells Barta and Ilgrantis seem to be doing just fine, even against Dark Falz etc. I mainly run with just barta though, it has good AoE in a line (I just line up my attacks, and very high direct damage. I just use ilgrantis for enemies with hard to reach weak spots or that dodge alot etc.

I don't have enough dex for the weapons you can trade in for yet, they all require like 200+ dex or something it seems (Weird since it's for a rod etc) but their damage is significantly higher than my current weapon. So I hit for like 4k now, and imagine if I had one of those i'd hit for 12k or something. Maybe I should start actually letting my ability/dex go up instead of using shifta/debands to keep it at 0.

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Nox weapons seem to be balanced around you being a fresh 50 so that's when you will want to upgrade. Unless you get lucky it seems the progression is nox>unique badge 13* weapon>nemisis 13* but I'm betting nemisis isn't particularly worth farming since we will get better gear soon. On the other hand, ultimate quests are supposedly the only real content in the game right now so you might as well.

Photon boosters are also basically free. You will get like 70 every time you do an advanced quest. I'm amazed you haven't found a better unit yet. At the very least go to visiphone and pick up your campaign items for free which include the back armor with 30% xp boost built in and sub barrier which is a really strong piece.

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wolfy42 posted...

I got Ilgrants already (Thats the one with all the little homing light attacks right?), it was just a normal drop I think. I use that alot especially against dark falz etc.

its like 10 separate hits that home in, yea. if you got that, you have a really strong foundation to work elemental weaknesses around

it's actually kind of hard to realize how much damage it's actually doing because it's SO many hits, I kind of didn't really use it that much till i used super secret third party tools to get a damage parse and realized holy crap its a lot of damage

wolfy42 posted...

But they have one in the shop you recommended to me, to trade in photons for I think that combines ice and light, it says it creates daggers and throws em at the enemy or something. I bet it gets bonuses from both my ice and light trees if I boost ice....and that would probably be the best.

those are compound techniques, which are basically finishers. zandion is the easiest one to use, because you are totally invincible and moving while in control for its entire duration (if you wanna just attack one enemy, lock on and it'll circle the enemy for you). fomelgion is a big commit because you can't move the entire duration of it, but it can be higher damage (there's some randomness with explosions); i use it when a boss is downed. barantsion is the coolest looking but I ended up never using it after i tried all three out extensively. each has their own cooldown though so you can end up rotating between all three if you're generating enough meter, and weaknesses/resistances are a valid reason to use one over another

make sure you zanverse before you cast them, cuz they're BIG damage

also they're stuck at level 1 so dont worry about that. simple compounds and all scion classes' PAs are stuck at 1 too, they just start out super good

wolfy42 posted...

I don't have enough dex for the weapons you can trade in for yet, they all require like 200+ dex or something it seems

yeah a lot of weapons require dex in this game... it won't stop you from equipping any appropriate weps at level cap, but it can be annoying while levelling

nox rod (Nox Lipher) is nice because it requires tech def and you can end up equipping it earlier than other 12* stuff. they're also super common and easy to get dupes of

YoukaiSlayer posted...

but I'm betting nemisis isn't particularly worth farming since we will get better gear soon.

im gonna bumrush a Val weapon and prepare for atra/atlas ex, cuz that's how i built like 5 weapons in jp and i'm knowledgable about that grind. we will definitely obsolesce gear fast tho, ya. with val -> atra -> atra ex, at least fully completing one carries onto the next

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I lucked the hell out. Did daybreak SHAQ once and got the rare boss and got the 13* katana saika revolucio from him. It's got pretty solid affixes too with master 3, might 2, gunne soul (15 mel, 45 hp), casting 3, and poison 1. It's also got 60 dark and +35 enhance cap.

I've decided to make it my main weapon for now and dumped my +30 nox into it but I don't know which potential to go for. One maxes out at 8% damage increase on perfect attacks, so basically all damage, but the other is really hard to understand. i do up to 16% more damage based on damage dealt (1% per 50k), I take less damage for every 300 damage I take (1%? idk), and I have better pp consumption for every 100 PP i use. Perhaps they are all up to 16%. My understand is max pp and PP conservation is the meta for boosting damage but I have no idea how long this buff lasts. If it's quest long, that seems better than the perfect attack 8% bonus, but if it wears off before it can stack up high, it's pretty meh. Realistically I blow through 1500 PP pretty quick just from moving around so that'd max quickly if it's quest long. 50K damage is also nothing and I'd max that out super fast. Again, i just don't know how long it lasts.

I can't find any info so I'm stuck trying to figure out what is best. I guess I'll just wait to awaken the potential until I get another 12* katana to +30 for fodder. If I can't find any more info, I'll just go for the cool one with all the stacking bonuses instead of the straight damage boost.

EDIT:Ok nevermind apparently you need arena boosters which don't exist in NA to get the cool potential making this weapon one of the weakest 13*. Oh well. Still a free 13*. I see no reason I can't use it till nemesis.

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man lol loser sh is quite a difficulty with the current state of na

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agesboy posted...

man lol loser sh is quite a difficulty with the current state of na

Yeah I just failed it. The fight itself is so easy but everyone just spends the whole fight on the ground and I can't open the clock myself so I don't know what I'm supposed to do. We got low health notification at like 14 minutes left and still timed out without ever hearing very low health notification.

I really despise when time is what makes something difficult. I'd rather the game be limited to 1 revive per player and thats it but no real time limit. One guy that was in party died to like every single attack. He must have died 50+ times.

So clearly I need to be able to open then clock, what is the best way to open it and break it solo so I can carry hard enough to win?

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weapon with blindness, zanverse, or wind techs

way back when jp was around where na is now (and i was playing braver), i brought a super shitty weapon with like blindness 5 and just switched to it when slapping the unopened clock, then switched back when it opened

eventually jp got gudder to the point where this was unnecessary at least

YoukaiSlayer posted...

I'd rather the game be limited to 1 revive per player and thats it but no real time limit.

some later stuff does this

4-man challenge versions of boss urgent quests that only allow a few deaths

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agesboy posted...

i brought a super shitty weapon with like blindness 5 and just switched to it when slapping the unopened clock, then switched back when it opened

I was wondering if that was worth doing. No idea how long it takes blind to get inflicted that way though.

Got in another group that I manually told about the clock and I insisted we opened it and broke it. About half listened which was enough. Easy win in about 12 minutes. I maintain that at least for katana braver, luther himself is actually easy. It's only the timer that ever makes it hard. Positioning alone dodges like 90% of his attacks with minimal effort and you can just use katana combat every time he does the time freeze thing to basically ignore it. You can parry his slow spinning move instead of running in circles as well.

Also a bit weird to me that dorito mage guy before luther hits harder than luther does on most of their attacks.

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the only reason time stop swords can be failed is because people feel the need to kill EVERY sword when you literally only need to kill one

harder versions of the fight later on add in ridiculous numbers of swords in silly patterns but SH original loser is just kill one sword

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I spent most of the day in lobbies chatting instead of playing the game cause I was feeling sick. Had a good time. Also finally bothered trying to upgrade my healing ring. I wonder what gets buffed after you hit level 10 since that should max out the activation threshold.

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oh yeah speaking of rings did you get the one that allows you to manually activate katana gear cuz it's a gamechanger

it really sucks at low levels (iirc it actively speeds up gear degradation?) but that downside goes away as you level it completely. also you can swap it mid fight if there's downtime and you just want to start it back up once

not sure which healing ring you mean but they all gain something after 10, unless it's a ring that gains nothing after level 1 (summoner has one ring like that that makes pets hyperaggressive)

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Also finally bothered trying to upgrade my healing ring. I wonder what gets buffed after you hit level 10 since that should max out the activation threshold.

If it's the passive regen ring, after level 10 levelling it up increases the amount it heals and possibly reduces the healing interval (I don't really remember off-hand).

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Funny, I just found out about harvesting yesterday, so hopefully will get a ring (or 2) pretty soon:). Still have not hit 40 yet, didn't play too much yesterday. I don't have a prob with looser falz anymore after the hint about the swords. I do have to run around to avoid his spin sword thing though, but that isn't a problem either.


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Is there any way to make gathering suck less? Being able to harvest only 10 times every like 5 hours is pretty miserable, especially with such a low chance to get the materials needed to upgrade rings. I know there are dishes that can be cooked to increase the chance of getting minerals, and I've seen reasonable success using fishing to trigger a fever before hitting up a gathering node (to avoid wasting gathering stamina outside of fever), but other than that it just seems like a major slog.

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No clue, I just started, but also noticed you could fish to get fever and then gather after that. Still have not even gotten a ring. I do have 3 characters though which means I could switch between them to gather with each, so the 5 hour thing wouldn't be too bad.

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adjl posted...

Is there any way to make gathering suck less? Being able to harvest only 10 times every like 5 hours is pretty miserable, especially with such a low chance to get the materials needed to upgrade rings.

you gather more over time as it ranks it but it never stops sucking wholly

once you've got material storage it's an ok idea to use sg to reset gathering once a day at least if you care about it

even in jp, basic rings are expensive and full upgraded rings are SUPER expensive because noone wants to do it

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Farming capsules for SHAQs is BORING.I kill every single enemy in facility and get 11 E capsules. That barely even sustains itself. Why can't they just let me play the fun part without having to grind boring easy shit for 10000 hours.

I'm close to ult quests though. 519k xp away from 70. I haven't farmed up any good units. The stuff im using now basically just has solid defense and thats it. Not even a set but its too tedious to set up the rooms to actually farm SHAQs. Maybe i'll just solo but then theres less enemies which means less capsules which means unsustainable.

Is there any awesome secret way to get like 1k F capsules? I know I can use alliance shop for 50 of each type which would help so much but my alliance leader hasn't been on and hasn't bought the shop (we have the points for it, just haven't got it).

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Farming capsules for SHAQs is BORING.I kill every single enemy in facility and get 11 E capsules. That barely even sustains itself. Why can't they just let me play the fun part without having to grind boring easy shit for 10000 hours.

in a 4 man group with 250% rare drop rate and 50+% triboost?

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agesboy posted...

you gather more over time as it ranks it but it never stops sucking wholly

That's about what I figured. Great. Guess I'll farm up some materials to make food that will help out, since some of those bonuses seem pretty solid. How many different foods can you stack? It explicitly says each dish doesn't stack with itself, but could I, say, eat multiple dishes that increase mineral rate?

On another note, I finally finished Episode 1. The story did indeed get somewhat interesting, but I'm really not a fan of this approach to storytelling. That episode also had more endings than a Tchaikovsky piece. There were so many points where I was like "okay, on to episode 2 now," only to start up yet another subplot that needed resolution. Guess I'll see what Episode 2 is like, since at least now there's a more concrete direction to it.

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i never really messed with foods (outside of event foods that give like 75% triboost for 5 minutes, and drop from event emergency trials), so I dunno really

adjl posted...

There were so many points where I was like "okay, on to episode 2 now," only to start up yet another subplot that needed resolution.

i think the last two chapters entirely were added after the fact for omnibus for some reason, I remember an arks tournament chapter being optional and that was it


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agesboy posted...

i think the last two chapters entirely were added after the fact for omnibus for some reason, I remember an arks tournament chapter being optional and that was it

It went basically like this:

-Dark Falz Elder is resurrected and the rest of the collective is introduced. Cool, good spot to transition into a new episode.
-For no apparent reason, now Seana is hanging out in a new zone where Elder is also chilling so you can learn about her past and then fight him again. Interesting aside, but the next episode can start now.
-Now we have a tournament because reasons and also Afin meets his possessed sister
-Another quest where Afin confronts his possessed sister. Another subplot wrapped up, next episode now?
-Nope. Now we get to have Quna and Haddred's story actually explained instead of her just being this mysterious wandering assassin lady. Also introduces the Photoners, Laboratory, and Luther, setting up a new arc. Now it's Episode 2.

I'm sure all of these side plots (especially the last one) will tie into the overall story eventually, but the way they were delivered just seemed like such complete afterthoughts, tacked on after the obvious climax like that.

Also, apparently adding extra font effects inside spoiler tags gets messy. How vexing.

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agesboy posted...

in a 4 man group with 250% rare drop rate and 50+% triboost?

I can't get anybody to pop in for just one quick run of unleveled SHAQ. I managed to get one random so it was two of us one of the times and i got 11. Did facility solo and got 12. I hit level 70 though. Is there an ult quest I can farm saiki or brissa from? Cause that sounds way more enjoyable. Maybe i'll just do ults until i've done enough UQs to buy brissa for rising weapon badges. If I convert all my 2s I think i have like 53 so thatd mean 67 to go. At least I can do XH now I guess.

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nope because ultimate quests drop the better 12* units

they have no set effect but still have comparable stats and we'll eventually be able to jam rings into them

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I made it to post 40 (at 42) but have not done the advanced quests yet. Did get the quest rings which i'm using, but eventually may get the faster charge for fire ring (and grab fire skills to boost that even more).

I have my light boosts from tech mostly maxed at this point, along with Resta boost, and the 3 points for the PP regen from shooting my rod (that sounds weird).

I do die on the VH luther urget quest fights alot though, he just one shots me with a bunch of stuff, so I need to get my max hp up somehow (only at around 600). My resta is only healing about 100 as well, which takes too long in those fights even if I don't get one shotted.

Was VERY annoying because I used my dolls on the last loser fight and died right at the end, so I got NO experience for it. I had been running the 60+ ones before that (on the guy with the towers, and had no problems or deaths, but then we got sent to the big guy and it took forever to kill him. I did a ton of damage and brought tons of people back to life, and then ended up getting no experience for all that. I was really bummed.

Oh well, still having fun. Gonna blow a bunch of 15k exp tickets on tech to level up my sub class when I log back in I think, then I either will do advanced quests or start doing the quests for my trainer that gives me skill points now.

I do have 25 skill points saved for force because I have not chosen an element yet. I really liked cold (and still do) because the barta base spell can hit multiple enemies WAY easier then fire, but....I kinda like the idea of boosting the charge speed of fire a ton between the ring and the skills.....so may go that route first. I use light vs dark falze etc mostly anyway at this point.


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So this wont work with Windows 8?

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Luther is easy if your class can parry but he's still probably the hardest boss I've fought. Make sure you break the clock open though. Inflict blind on it, everyone focus it. You can open it up to 3 times with blind and if you deal enough damage it will break and stay open the whole fight giving the whole party a massive weakspot to target.

He's also probably counterintuitive for ranged classes because its actually safest to be right up in his grill most of the time. A lot of his sword attacks just wont hit you if you are standing right up against the clock. Almost all of his attacks have unique verbal queues before hand as well so pay attention to what he says cause he is basically calling out his next move. That can give you a good 4-5 extra seconds to react.

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wolfy42 posted...

I do have 25 skill points saved for force because I have not chosen an element yet. I really liked cold (and still do) because the barta base spell can hit multiple enemies WAY easier then fire, but....I kinda like the idea of boosting the charge speed of fire a ton between the ring and the skills.....so may go that route first. I use light vs dark falze etc mostly anyway at this point.

honestly really pls go try out gizonde spam, it's freaking incredible. preferably jump a little bit before you use it so you have a little bit of altitude so it hits slightly easier. bought a nox weapon at level 40 and i could oneshot all VH AQ mobs with it. the only downside is low to middle range, but if there's one enemy nearby, you can extend the range of enemies you can hit cuz it's chain lightning

i have almost everything at 15 now and gizonde is still one of my most spammed techs

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

So this wont work with Windows 8?

nope because windows sucks

i had to upgrade from windows 7 to play

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Luther is easy if your class can parry but he's still probably the hardest boss I've fought.

he's both really easy and really hard with force dodge

fast time moves can be dodge as soon as you see the aoe appear on the ground, and you can zone out a lot of his slow time moves (when he does four spinny aoes that track, run away from everyone else to kite them; when he does the two arm slam, be right next to him or begin dodging as you see the aoe appear in the zone before you)

but getting hit once is still death and the tracking orbs are OBNOXIOUS

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agesboy posted...

nope because windows sucks

i had to upgrade from windows 7 to play

Well shit. Still free to update to 10?

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yea, still free

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Nice. Do I have to do any steps for it? Never done this.

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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Nice. Do I have to do any steps for it? Never done this.

he's likely referencing the accessibility offer, windows 10 is a free upgrade for those users, ok?

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as long as you have a valid windows 7/8/vista key, it should still let you upgrade

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agesboy posted...

honestly really pls go try out gizonde spam, it's freaking incredible

Seriously the ONLY spell I have not tried lol. I even have a broom of each element (Although not are all at 50) including lightning, but I only mainly use light/fire and cold so far.

I didn't even try lightning even though I have a broom for it lol....I will today.

So far though TBH for AoE i've been liking cold the most, but from your desc Lightning may be better. Ice Barata or whatever it's called is the best tier 1 I have used though since I can often hit many enemies by lining em up while I charge it. Fires tier 1 will sometimes hit 2 or 3 enemies if they are bunched together, but I have no control over that, and most of the time it just hits one. I also don't really like the fire AoE as much (even though I like the idea of getting double charge time reduction from fire.

Lightning though I think can stun, which is probably similar to freeze.....so that could be pretty nice.

I have my light mastery maxed though on tech, so for single target light is pretty much rocking everything even more then enemies weak to an element (although I don't have the skll that boosts damage to enemies week to an element yet).

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agesboy posted...

we'll eventually be able to jam rings into them

I get that Sega doesn't want to give us all of the content at once so that they can keep people engaged by adding new stuff over time, but I'm a little annoyed by some of the things they've left out because they seem to be so incredibly helpful for so many builds. Crafting mechanics shouldn't be something we have to wait for, especially where they haven't shared any sort of road map for content releases. I'm also interested in DS Fighter, but that basically requires the DS ring, which isn't in the game yet because why would a build-defining ring be in the game (I know the mats come from a yet-unreleased zone and that's why it isn't there, but I would think that'd be easy enough to tweak).

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No road map but they said we'd be caught up by the end of the year.

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That's good to know.

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had a gigantic UQ fiesta lasting 4~ hours and got a nemesis weapon to drop (only bow, but still 12m meseta) and made a couple friends, good stuff. ended up using ice heavily since everything on naberius is weak to it and jesus rabarta+sabarta spam is crazy. my numbers aren't big yet but seeing 5k damage appear like 20 times a second in the midst of a pack is sick

also, i think the ring-jamming might already be in, because i got a notification about it when i approached the affixer at level 70

adjl posted...

I get that Sega doesn't want to give us all of the content at once so that they can keep people engaged by adding new stuff over time, but I'm a little annoyed by some of the things they've left out because they seem to be so incredibly helpful for so many builds. Crafting mechanics shouldn't be something we have to wait for, especially where they haven't shared any sort of road map for content releases.

to be fair i am VERY glad they did not release crafting for xbox launch and leave pc in the dust because that is something I actually want to keep up on now instead of ignoring for 5 years like i did in jp

but yeah, some of the things they've left out are downright stupid. like the best left side ring for almost everyone is a ring called perfect keeper melee/ranged/tech that boosts damage done by a percentage when you're above 75% hp, and I'm pretty sure it was around really early on. but it isn't in na! why! it doesn't even alter playstyles!

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https://www.reddit.com/r/PSO2/comments/gywyd4/bosses_having_higher_stats_on_super_hard_over/ lol well someone figured out why SH loser feels so hard

it's because na broke his hp

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agesboy posted...

but yeah, some of the things they've left out are downright stupid. like the best left side ring for almost everyone is a ring called perfect keeper melee/ranged/tech that boosts damage done by a percentage when you're above 75% hp, and I'm pretty sure it was around really early on. but it isn't in na! why! it doesn't even alter playstyles!

What materials does it use? As I understand, needing stuff from Earth is the only reason the DS ring isn't in yet, so that might be the issue there.

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I did ult quest for an hour. Could see shit. Didn't die though. Killed a phodra and a few dragons. No good drops at all.

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adjl posted...

What materials does it use? As I understand, needing stuff from Earth is the only reason the DS ring isn't in yet, so that might be the issue there.

melee is ruins, ranged is tokyo, tech is forest

ranged holding everyone back.....................

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Couldn't see shit.

relatable

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Didn't die though.

not relatable

i need better units to invest in so i can start affixing because 700hp is still in oneshot range for nearly everything in there

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agesboy posted...

melee is ruins, ranged is tokyo, tech is forest

ranged holding everyone back.....................

Which is even more frustrating because Gunner has it built in and that means Ranger is the only one that would use it (and I guess Bow Bravers).

Cradle of Darkness popped up as a random urgent just now. I started it up, but nobody joined the party right away so I tried soloing it. I apparently cannot solo SH Cradle of Darkness just yet (timed out at the Falz Hand/Persona fight that I believe was right before the aircraft controller in area 2, not sure how much more there was to get through after that), though I got some pretty nice experience and weapon badge drops from trying. Fun times.

Is there any way to get a starting batch of SHAQ capsules for free like there was for VHAQ ones? Or do I just have to spend the 700k it'll cost to buy 10?

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adjl posted...

Cradle of Darkness popped up as a random urgent just now. I started it up, but nobody joined the party right away so I tried soloing it.

requeue when this happens; what probably happened was that the MPA you block switched to join ended up full and you got thrown in another by yourself

cradle of darkness is one of the super crazy exp ones so you wanna maximize runs of it whenever possible; i had a five minute long or so chain burst in there earlier and i got 75% of a level at 60

adjl posted...

Is there any way to get a starting batch of SHAQ capsules for free like there was for VHAQ ones? Or do I just have to spend the 700k it'll cost to buy 10?

you can trade VH capsules up to SH ones at a 10-to-1 ratio, so 100 VH capsules is one entry of SH

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agesboy posted...

requeue when this happens; what probably happened was that the MPA you block switched to join ended up full and you got thrown in another by yourself

That's usually what I do, but I felt like doing something stupid. It was a reasonably entertaining time, futile though it was. It definitely would have been really good for exp/drops with a full party, so I'll be sure to try for one next time it pops up.

agesboy posted...

you can trade VH capsules up to SH ones at a 10-to-1 ratio, so 100 VH capsules is one entry of SH

Ah, excellent. Good to know. I only have like 20 of each VH capsule because I haven't been doing VHAQs (I'm honestly not sure how I made it to 59 without putting more time into them, but whatever), but that should be easy enough to remedy.

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oh yeah, you can also trade 250 casino coins for one SH capsule (there's some monthly cap on all this though), 2500 casino coins to get started isnt terrible

but casino sux

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Casino is indeed not exactly great. I had okay returns from the high-stakes slots game, but I think that was more luck than anything, and everything else seems to have terrible returns. I managed to stay profitable well enough, but by such a tiny margin that it would take forever to get anywhere.

That said, if I actually used some strategy on the Rappy Slots, I might get somewhere. I was purely looking to get a PSE burst for the CO and didn't try to maximize it at all, but I still turned a profit betting 1 coin on every pull. Bumping that up to 5 during the burst would make a considerable difference, I would imagine.

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the main ways i know to make coins were blacknyack (nyau makes REALLY stupid plays whenever even one player could beat him, which could allow other people holding at like 12 to still win) and mesetan shooter, but both need more people for optimal gains

and they haven't designated blocks yet, so you never find other people in casino

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Yeah, I haven't spent much time in there, but I think I've seen one other person in a Blacknyack game once and that's been my entire experience of playing casino with other people (and that was on like day 2 when people were still trying everything out). Even then, I left that table because I was just looking to finishing the CO of getting 5 wins and the extra person made that process feel slower (don't know if it actually was or not).

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Blacknyak is auto win over time since you get 3x the bet on a blacknyak (unless it's a draw I think). So just bet 50 each time and BAM you end up making more and more....but.....even with that, it's second too

The limited high stakes slots (the ones that cost 500).

You can check the machines out to see which ones are "hot", aim for ones with an average of 17 or higher if you can. Initially just play till you get about 1500 coins which you should do in general 3 out of 4 times. This gives you a nice pool to play with without loosing anything. I usually play a few more times and push it to at least 2000 or more.

I've played about 30 times and only lost my coins 3 times, but I have a ton of freaking coins from that (and nyuk etc).

Each of my 3 chars probably has like 20k coins at this point unspent and I bought some stuff initially because I didn't know how common it was to get em.

The shooter one is better if you play silver btw, or has always been for me. I barely break even (By myself) on copper, usually like 120 coins or something, certainly not worth the time, but I rarely make less than 250 on the silver ones....which is a significantly better payout for the same amount of time.

Normal rappy slots blow, but you really can't seem to lose much on them over time, or at least I didn't while getting the achievements for all 3 chars. That being said I have never gotten a jackpot though I have heard others get em many times. I'm just not lucky. The one where it saves all the wilds for you is probably how you get the jackpot, but I've never had more then like 5 of em at once before it ended.

Roulette sucks donkey balls, although I guess you could end up ahead long term, but it takes a long time, for a very low payout. Going Red/Blue for instance (same bet on each) means you win on average more then 75% of the time (Because of the auto win one, and the special numbers one that adds another color or two. Think is your limited in how much you can bet, and it takes so freaking long you could play like 3 games or more of blacknyack in the same time and win more (same general odds of winning, but black nyaks are more commong for an extra 3x (and since you won you actually get 4x the bet).

So if I was starting off from scratch I'd probably start at blacknyack to get going, get a decent number of coins and then hit advanced slots for the large payouts. IT's REALLY easy to hit 1000 coins (doubling your 500) in a fairly short amount of time (you literally need 2 combos (100 and 300 bonus) and can even make 1k without even having the 1 in 4 chance of failure (but a success boosts your totally by 30% or more, which should bring you over 1k for sure. You really won't have more then one falz roll before making 1k coins which basically means you have a 75% chance of doubling your money (500 coins) at least....best payout, but limited number per day (even making just 500 coins for each 10 per day (per character mind you), would net you 5000 coins per day....so with 3 chars that is 15k coins per day with pretty much no risk at all.

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agesboy posted...

i need better units to invest in so i can start affixing because 700hp is still in oneshot range for nearly everything in there

Yeah I'm to 1k hp and I generally buy guts drink and of course we had techers in there so my hp was up to 1500. Additionally my units do have high defense and I played it pretty safe.

The not seeing thing really brings the experience down for me. Probably worse cause I'm melee but still. Makes me play like it's ninja gaiden black during that spider ninja trial where you have to be spamming dodge and jump in an angle the entire time or you get turned into an exploding pin cushion instantly.

I wish ult quests were more about fighting bosses. Mobbing isn't fun or exciting.

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