Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 292: With Total Power Comes No Responsibility At All

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

So perhaps that is why I take issue when the government and ivory tower technocrats point their fingers at 20 million people, declare them "unessential" and forbid them from making a living.

You are unessential in a global crisis. You don't get to live your life as you want so that hundreds of thousands of people dont have to die.

Suck it up and stop being a baby.

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red13n posted...

You are unessential in a global crisis. You don't get to live your life as you want so that hundreds of thousands of people dont have to die.

Suck it up and stop being a baby.

So much empathy for the people who are losing businesses, kids who are trapped at home with abusive parents, people who are driven to substance abuse, people committing suicide. Suck it up and sacrifice, folks! Former Gamefaqs moderator and high intellect red13n says it will save the world!

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

So much empathy for the people who are losing businesses, kids who are trapped at home with abusive parents, people who are driven to substance abuse, people committing suicide. Suck it up and sacrifice, folks! Former Gamefaqs moderator and high intellect red13n says it will save the world!

It will save hundreds of thousands of people at minimum, yes, says people with way more knowledge on the subject than me.

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red sox 777 posted...

TBH there's something to the not joining a sinking ship theory.

the ship wasn't sinking yet when warren could have endorsed bernie, though.

(that being said, we shouldn't have expected her to endorse bernie. she refused to endorse him in '16, why would she do it now?)


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well sephy kept his "i'm not posting in the politics topic anymore because people told me to leave" promise for a whole day i guess

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

the ship wasn't sinking yet when warren could have endorsed bernie, though.

(that being said, we shouldn't have expected her to endorse bernie. she refused to endorse him in '16, why would she do it now?)

After Super Tuesday Biden was the very heavy favorite, and then Bloomberg dropped out and endorsed Biden. Even if she would have endorsed Bernie after dropping out he still very likely would have lost.

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What he get suspended for this time?

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Corrik7 posted...

What he get suspended for this time?

i'm going to guess something like "the economy getting worse is worse than a gazillion people dying"

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I guess the post Red quoted in 155?

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I dont see his dumb hypothetical topic anymore so maybe that?

I'd assume he wouldn't be moderated or suspended for arguing we shouldn't be locked down. That's a fair argument to debate.

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Leafeon13N posted...

I dont see his dumb hypothetical topic anymore so maybe that?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78592829

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Oh and thanks for the kind words @iiaattgg

hey no problem, i thought the language was hurtful and disgusting and to be honest has no place on our board or even society

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America First is a big fat lie. Trump always puts himself first.

He doesn't stand for anything other than being anti-establishment. That's all well and good, but then what else does he have?

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Make America Open Again

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https://twitter.com/berniewon2016/status/1250971110390272008?s=21

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god that twitter name reminds me I'm not mentally prepared for the biden's hairy leg attack ads

every time I remember that clip I cringe more strongly than the last

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The Useful Idiots podcast has taken to using # of Golden Leg Hairs out of 10 for the metric of how cringey Biden goofs are.

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I feel like thats about a 5/10
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Yeah that's not too bad, relatively speaking. The video player obscured it on the thumbnail but middle dude really sums up my reaction



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"is that man trump? no? okay." is basically the position plenty of dems will take.
it does seem interesting that more people caring about the VP is becoming acceptable in media though. that's almost an admission of biden's faults.

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I want to live in this magical world where Elizabeth Warren endorsing Bernie Sanders gives Bernie the nomination. Because I'm pretty sure in THAT world, Trump isn't President anyway.

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Dancedreamer posted...

I want to live in this magical world where Elizabeth Warren endorsing Bernie Sanders gives Bernie the nomination. Because I'm pretty sure in THAT world, Trump isn't President anyway.

That world probably requires Biden not to run in the first place. Which, to be fair, he shouldn't have. But here we are in the meme timeline.

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I wonder who Moderate Voltron would rally around if Biden weren't the defacto nominee. I'm guessing Mayor Pete, he seemed to be the next one on the list. Which I think might be worse, aside from Mayor Pete at least not being on the wrong side of 70.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

America First is a big fat lie. Trump always puts himself first.

Joke's on you, we're first in COVID deaths.

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Dancedreamer posted...

I want to live in this magical world where Elizabeth Warren endorsing Bernie Sanders gives Bernie the nomination. Because I'm pretty sure in THAT world, Trump isn't President anyway.

Ive never said Elizabeth Warren standing up for the Progressives when she had the opportunity would give Bernie the nomination.

But you are talking crazy if you think it wouldnt have done ANYTHING.

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https://twitter.com/_Kenziepuff/status/1251180071462883329

this is great

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Ive never said Elizabeth Warren standing up for the Progressives when she had the opportunity would give Bernie the nomination.

But you are talking crazy if you think it wouldnt have done ANYTHING.

damn we all forgot that sanders can't fail, only be failed

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Dancedreamer posted...

I wonder who Moderate Voltron would rally around if Biden weren't the defacto nominee. I'm guessing Mayor Pete, he seemed to be the next one on the list. Which I think might be worse, aside from Mayor Pete at least not being on the wrong side of 70.

It would probably be him, yeah. But I don't agree he'd necessarily be worse. I dislike Pete as a person but he at least wants major electoral and governmental reforms (or should I say, wanted, before the focus testing set in). His Supreme Court idea was pretty stupid but it shows he at least understands the problem. Biden is very much of the mindset that there is nothing wrong with our system of government, which would be hilarious if it wasn't so frustrating. And I think Pete would be bullied into policy by the progressive wing just as much as Biden has been, so eh.

Of course, I think Pete's chances of winning the general election would be even lower than Biden's, so there's that.

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Pete's not eligible anyway, I'm pretty sure his motherboard was made in like China or something.

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LIBERATE TEXAS!!!

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xp1337 posted...

damn we all forgot that sanders can't fail, only be failed

Jesus Christ why are you people like this

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FFDragon posted...

Pete's not eligible anyway, I'm pretty sure his motherboard was made in like China or something.

It still counts because the parts were assembled in the US!

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

But you are talking crazy if you think it wouldnt have done ANYTHING.

It wouldn't have done much. Sometimes playing ball with the establishment means actually getting something done. Imagine if Biden names Liz to his cabinet. Maybe Sec-Ed. She could do a LOT of good there. Maybe better than if someone else was made sec-ed.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Jesus Christ why are you people like this

because it is the month of our lord april and i still have to read these attacks on elizabeth warren as though she is some traitor to progressive politics

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Dancedreamer posted...

It wouldn't have done much. Sometimes playing ball with the establishment means actually getting something done. Imagine if Biden names Liz to his cabinet. Maybe Sec-Ed. She could do a LOT of good there. Maybe better than if someone else was made sec-ed.

Hey at least youre admitting now she stayed in to help the establishment.

Hows that for progress?

xp1337 posted...

because it is the month of our lord april and i still have to read these attacks on elizabeth warren as though she is some traitor to progressive politics

In one breath youre accusing me of saying Bernie never did wrong, in the other youre saying Liz never did wrong. Ok.

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If Biden names Liz to his cabinet she will get nothing good done. Why? Because moderate Democrats excel at taking good policies and loading them up with changes and limitations until they are awful policies. They are so fundamentally broken that they cannot be changed from inside. They need to be attacked from outside.

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also I think Ive figured out why she didnt endorse anyone.

She expected Bernie to stay in until the very end, and on the off chance of a contested convention she was going to try to step up as the compromise candidate.

Then COVID hit, and Bernie suspended his campaign because he was convinced dragging it out would just cause more spread.

That Maddow interview where she instantly said yes to the chance at being VP convinced me. She knows Joe wont go the distance even if hes elected, and shes made that calculation that its her new path.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

In one breath youre accusing me of saying Bernie never did wrong, in the other youre saying Liz never did wrong. Ok.

You're actually proving my point. I never said Warren did nothing wrong. The only way you can get that out of my post there is if "not dropping out and endorsing Sanders" is a "wrong." ...Which is exactly the kind of thing my post was addressing.

Warren obviously did things wrong. Whether it's things further back like the DNA test or later in the primary where I think she successfully let herself be baited into providing answers into "how do you pay for this" that the media wanted rather than primary voters and in having to contort her plan to avoid media "gotchas" like "omfg ur raising taxes (but we won't mention that actual costs are going down because the rise in taxes is more than covered by the savings in healthcare costs)" she came out with a plan that was open to criticism from all sides because the centrist attack on it was never honest from these quarters (not that there are not honest avenues to criticize from that direction, but the media and the centrist candidates were never using those) and the left because it ended up in a bit of a tortured plan. Sanders, by contrast, did better in facing this issue. I'd argue they never went as hard and persistent on him as they did Warren, but that's a separate issue and they both had to play the hands they were dealt there and Sanders played it better full stop.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Hey at least youre admitting now she stayed in to help the establishment.

The establishment was going to win no matter what she did. She hoped otherwise, obviously. That's why she stayed in. But dropping out and supporting Bernie, while it would have looked very good, wouldn't have accomplished much except upsetting the establishment. She was pragmatic in withholding her endorsement.

I understand not liking the pragmatism, but in our political system it's the difference between getting something done, even if its imperfect (Obamacare) and getting nothing done.

One day hopefully we'll move past the imperfect Obamacare. I'm sure whatever it is, will also be imperfect. Then maybe candidates like Bernie Sanders won't seem so out there, while candidates like Paul Ryan will look like lunatics for wanting to change a system that Works.

The fact is, Obamacare is what it is in large part because a few blue dog democrats couldn't go along with his original and better plan. All it takes to stop a good effort, are a few who refuse to do the right thing. And that's rather unfortunate in our system.

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xp1337 posted...

You're actually proving my point. I never said Warren did nothing wrong. The only way you can get that out of my post there is if "not endorsing Sanders" is a "wrong." ...Which is exactly the kind of thing my post was addressing.

Not endorsing Sanders was a wrong! Either she helped Bernie maintain his momentum and continue progressive causes, or he lost anyway but she kept herself a relevant figure worth earning.

Except to the Maddows of the world, her star seemed to pretty much fizzle out when she took her ball and went home. I have yet to see a single argument that she made the correct play.

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guys guys

both bernie and liz failed the progressive movement with unsuccessful campaigns

let's all get along

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Weather you think Warren was in the wrong or not, the impact it had on the perception of her is a fact. There are just too many people who have turned on her now for her presence on a ticket or as as an addition to do anything but result in a net negative in regards to pulling in support. She's going to be a black sheep of the progressives for a while at least.

Whether you think that's fair or not doesn't effect it.

The voters failed Bernie tbh

Sticking with this.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

The voters failed Bernie tbh

Sticking with this.

Well of course they did, but Bernie also failed the voters by not trying to get their votes. It's kind of a cyclical problem with the media being the third aspect of the cycle.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Weather you think Warren was in the wrong or not, the impact it had on the perception of her is a fact. There are just too many people who have turned on her now for her presence on a ticket or as as an addition to do anything but result in a net negative in regards to pulling in support. She's going to be a black sheep of the progressives for a while at least.

You mean like how moderates view Bernie? Yeah, that's exactly it.

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So... Looking at Trump's Twitter, is he calling for open insurrection in multiple states?

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Dancedreamer posted...

You mean like how moderates view Bernie? Yeah, that's exactly it.

The moderates have much more to lose here. Progressives are much less likely to go to the polls to vote for a moderate than vice versa, as it's the moderates who are much less interested in policy and much more interested in "anyone but Trump, return to normal".

No Bernie ran a great campaign. Voters just suck. After seeing how many people reacted to a pandemic I feel very comfortable in this stance.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

The moderates have much more to lose here. Progressives are much less likely to go to the polls to vote for a moderate than vice versa, as it's the moderates who are much less interested in policy and much more interested in "anyone but Trump, return to normal".

Progressives, at least the ones that aren't privileged, have a lot to lose. Especially if they are allies of women, LGBT, and other groups as they claim to be.

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