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UshiromiyaEva 04/17/20 1:18:31 PM #204:	I don't mean in impact, I mean in pulling in votes. This is just the reality and is constantly reflected in polls. <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:937577839] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>I don't mean in impact, I mean in pulling in votes. This is just the reality and is constantly reflected in polls. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 04/17/20 1:19:51 PM #205:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Not endorsing Sanders was a wrong! Either she helped Bernie maintain his momentum and continue progressive causes, or he lost anyway but she kept herself a relevant figure worth earning. Relevant to who? The online left? I've already articulated a possible reason for her staying out of it. If Sanders wins - congrats progressive politics wins and she can be an ally in Congress to Sanders unless you are saying he'd take her non involvement so seriously he'd shut her out over hurt feelings and go full centrist to spite her. If Biden wins, she hasn't risked burning any bridges to Biden world and can continue to work with him and his team. Pretty sure everyone agrees that Biden is a legislator at heart, he likes to work with people to do stuff. The criticism, not unfair IMO, is that he would use this tendency to work with Republicans and weaken policies unnecessarily. However, events have so far borne out that the reverse is true and he's more than willing to work with the left and adopt policies from Warren and Sanders into his platform. Are they as good or as far as the ones Sanders and Warren had? No. But they lsot and he won what the fuck do you expect? This whole argument seems predicated on the idea that Warren could have tipped this race to Sanders or ignoring the very real fact that Biden has been picking up plans from Warren and Sanders these past weeks. Does this still happen if Warren throws in with Sanders? I think it's less likely though. Honestly, I think the actual full expression of this tactic would have been for Warren to actually take a side and to side with Biden in order to ensure there's a progressive voice in his ear and to do so at a time when optically she could sell that she helped him lock things up. The political reality was that Biden won this thing with that SC win and the formation of the Voltron. Bloomberg was still in on Super Tuesday and could have dropped to counter a Warren drop and Warren's Super Tuesday performance was so atrocious that it seems very likely that the Sanders leaners in her camp already left for Sanders by then even with her still in the race. The polling showing that her remaining supporters were dead even Sanders/Biden seems to suggest the exodus had indeed already taken place. But all evidence shows that Warren does not like Biden so I can see why she might have found that unpalatable. That doesn't mean she had to throw away the tactic entirely and endorse Sanders though. And you won't like it but if there's truth to the story she told about what Sanders said to her or the thing about their teams trying to talk to each other then that could be a factor too in her staying neutral. I don't mind that you think she should have endorsed Sanders. I only take issue when it extends into the territory that this was the ONLY OBJECTIVE TRUE PROGRESSIVE OPTION and in that in not doing so she let down the progressive movement as though this is the only permissible view of what happened. It's not. I'm not asking you to like what she did. I don't even know for sure if her choice was the right one, but I sure as hell don't believe it's some clear black-and-white choice and I sure as fuck don't believe she deserves all the fucking vitriol and "traitor" and "snake" shit she has gotten thrown her way. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:937577916] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Not endorsing Sanders was a wrong! Either she helped Bernie maintain his momentum and continue progressive causes, or he lost anyway but she kept herself a relevant figure worth earning.</quote>Relevant to who? The online left? I've already articulated a possible reason for her staying out of it. If Sanders wins - congrats progressive politics wins and she can be an ally in Congress to Sanders unless you are saying he'd take her non involvement so seriously he'd shut her out over hurt feelings and go full centrist to spite her. If Biden wins, she hasn't risked burning any bridges to Biden world and can continue to work with him and his team. Pretty sure everyone agrees that Biden is a legislator at heart, he likes to work with people to do stuff. The criticism, not unfair IMO, is that he would use this tendency to work with Republicans and weaken policies unnecessarily. However, events have so far borne out that the reverse is true and he's more than willing to work with the left and adopt policies from Warren and Sanders into his platform. Are they as good or as far as the ones Sanders and Warren had? No. But they lsot and he won what the fuck do you expect? This whole argument seems predicated on the idea that Warren could have tipped this race to Sanders or ignoring the very real fact that Biden has been picking up plans from Warren and Sanders these past weeks. Does this still happen if Warren throws in with Sanders? I think it's less likely though. Honestly, I think the actual full expression of this tactic would have been for Warren to actually take a side and to side with Biden in order to ensure there's a progressive voice in his ear and to do so at a time when optically she could sell that she helped him lock things up. The political reality was that Biden won this thing with that SC win and the formation of the Voltron. Bloomberg was still in on Super Tuesday and could have dropped to counter a Warren drop and Warren's Super Tuesday performance was so atrocious that it seems very likely that the Sanders leaners in her camp already left for Sanders by then even with her still in the race. The polling showing that her remaining supporters were dead even Sanders/Biden seems to suggest the exodus had indeed already taken place. But all evidence shows that Warren does not like Biden so I can see why she might have found that unpalatable. That doesn't mean she had to throw away the tactic entirely and endorse Sanders though. And you won't like it but if there's truth to the story she told about what Sanders said to her or the thing about their teams trying to talk to each other then that could be a factor too in her staying neutral. I don't mind that you think she should have endorsed Sanders. I only take issue when it extends into the territory that this was the ONLY OBJECTIVE TRUE PROGRESSIVE OPTION and in that in not doing so she let down the progressive movement as though this is the only permissible view of what happened. It's not. I'm not asking you to like what she did. I don't even know for sure if her choice was the right one, but I sure as hell don't believe it's some clear black-and-white choice and I sure as fuck don't believe she deserves all the fucking vitriol and "traitor" and "snake" shit she has gotten thrown her way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 04/17/20 1:20:40 PM #206:	SmartMuffin posted... LIBERATE TEXAS!!! (caps) Sorry, Texas is not one of the states Trump wants to liberate --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:937577969] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>LIBERATE TEXAS!!! (caps) </quote> Sorry, Texas is not one of the states Trump wants to liberate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/17/20 1:20:48 PM #207:	DoomTheGyarados posted... No Bernie ran a great campaign. Voters just suck. After seeing how many people reacted to a pandemic I feel very comfortable in this stance. He ran a great campaign for his base and for outreach to nonvoters, he didn't run a great campaign for getting enough votes to win. I think all of those things can be true. And people in general are taking the pandemic pretty well! The people who want the lockdowns lifted are a very vocal minority. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:937577980] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>No Bernie ran a great campaign. Voters just suck. After seeing how many people reacted to a pandemic I feel very comfortable in this stance.</quote> He ran a great campaign for his base and for outreach to nonvoters, he didn't run a great campaign for getting enough votes to win. I think all of those things can be true. And people in general are taking the pandemic pretty well! The people who want the lockdowns lifted are a very vocal minority. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 04/17/20 1:21:47 PM #208:	DoomTheGyarados posted... No Bernie ran a great campaign. Voters just suck. After seeing how many people reacted to a pandemic I feel very comfortable in this stance. shit with this reasoning i'm motioning to rewrite that clinton ran a great campaign in 2016 and the fault was that the voters wanted to elect a criminally incompetent racist prove me wrong --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:937578037] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>No Bernie ran a great campaign. Voters just suck. After seeing how many people reacted to a pandemic I feel very comfortable in this stance.</quote>shit with this reasoning i'm motioning to rewrite that clinton ran a great campaign in 2016 and the fault was that the voters wanted to elect a criminally incompetent racist prove me wrong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 04/17/20 1:22:12 PM #209:	https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1251185023459483653?s=21 I feel like this is a particularly stupid time to complain about 17,000 people dying under Biden --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:937578060] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1251185023459483653?s=21 I feel like this is a particularly stupid time to complain about 17,000 people dying under Biden</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 04/17/20 1:22:25 PM #210:	xp1337 posted... shit with this reasoning i'm motioning to rewrite that clinton ran a great campaign in 2016 and the fault was that the voters wanted to elect a criminally incompetent racist prove me wrong You know What? Sure --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:937578074] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>shit with this reasoning i'm motioning to rewrite that clinton ran a great campaign in 2016 and the fault was that the voters wanted to elect a criminally incompetent racist prove me wrong</quote> You know What? Sure </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 04/17/20 1:23:19 PM #211:	To be fair, voters will always be the main problem with democracy --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:937578136] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>To be fair, voters will always be the main problem with democracy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 04/17/20 1:23:30 PM #212:	DoomTheGyarados posted... You know What? Sure boom 2016 unity at last i've solved it everyone --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:937578147] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>You know What? Sure</quote>boom 2016 unity at last i've solved it everyone </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 04/17/20 1:23:38 PM #213:	also as another outspoken progressive Warren is fine with me. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:937578157] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>also as another outspoken progressive Warren is fine with me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 04/17/20 1:24:13 PM #214:	DoomTheGyarados posted... No Bernie ran a great campaign. Voters just suck. After seeing how many people reacted to a pandemic I feel very comfortable in this stance. Bernie had a great platform. He ran a terrible campaign. Mainly because voters suck. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:937578198] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>No Bernie ran a great campaign. Voters just suck. After seeing how many people reacted to a pandemic I feel very comfortable in this stance.</quote> Bernie had a great platform. He ran a terrible campaign. Mainly because voters suck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 04/17/20 1:51:01 PM #215:	Dancedreamer posted... Progressives, at least the ones that aren't privileged, have a lot to lose. Especially if they are allies of women, LGBT, and other groups as they claim to be. If you have nothing you have nothing to lose. It's the moderates who are upset they aren't getting their massive tax deductions for state and local taxes that have the most to lose. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:937579644] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted... </cite> <quote>Progressives, at least the ones that aren't privileged, have a lot to lose. Especially if they are allies of women, LGBT, and other groups as they claim to be.</quote> If you have nothing you have nothing to lose. It's the moderates who are upset they aren't getting their massive tax deductions for state and local taxes that have the most to lose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 04/17/20 1:56:52 PM #216:	I dont think Bernie ran a bad campaign, but I dont think he ran the best campaign. That being said, even if he ran the hypothetical best campaign, I dont know if he could have won. Joe Biden ran away with the nomination with essentially zero campaign. The Joe Biden campaign barely spent any money, Joe barely spoke, did a handful of tiny rallies, etc. He lost Iowa, New Hampshire, AND Nevada, and won because he was electable, lol. Chris is right that the voters failed Bernie, but I think the media holds a lot of blame for continuously telling them Joe was the only option. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:937579978] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>I dont think Bernie ran a bad campaign, but I dont think he ran the best campaign. That being said, even if he ran the hypothetical best campaign, I dont know if he could have won. Joe Biden ran away with the nomination with essentially zero campaign. The Joe Biden campaign barely spent any money, Joe barely spoke, did a handful of tiny rallies, etc. He lost Iowa, New Hampshire, AND Nevada, and won because he was electable, lol. Chris is right that the voters failed Bernie, but I think the media holds a lot of blame for continuously telling them Joe was the only option. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 04/17/20 2:05:22 PM #217:	UshiromiyaEva posted... The moderates have much more to lose here. Progressives are much less likely to go to the polls to vote for a moderate than vice versa, as it's the moderates who are much less interested in policy and much more interested in "anyone but Trump, return to normal". spoiler: The progressives you are talking about here aren't interested in policy. They're interested in their cult of personality. The policy-driven voter is going to vote for whatever candidate in the running that most closely aligns with their policy goals regardless of whether or not that alignment is perfect. I suppose you could logically contort yourself into some position where you think that half-solutions are worse than no solutions and use that as a justification. But to me that seems both ignorant and also not what the people you're referring to are actually arguing anyways. --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:937580512] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>UshiromiyaEva posted...</cite> <quote> The moderates have much more to lose here. Progressives are much less likely to go to the polls to vote for a moderate than vice versa, as it's the moderates who are much less interested in policy and much more interested in "anyone but Trump, return to normal". </quote> spoiler: The progressives you are talking about here aren't interested in policy. They're interested in their cult of personality. The policy-driven voter is going to vote for whatever candidate in the running that most closely aligns with their policy goals regardless of whether or not that alignment is perfect. I suppose you could logically contort yourself into some position where you think that half-solutions are worse than no solutions and use that as a justification. But to me that seems both ignorant and also not what the people you're referring to are actually arguing anyways.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 04/17/20 2:06:45 PM #218:	Can't look it up right now, but there was a CNN piece a day or two ago that was whining about Bernie putting blame on the media, and when you went to the writer's Twitter he was a hardcore Biden stan. <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:937580585] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Can't look it up right now, but there was a CNN piece a day or two ago that was whining about Bernie putting blame on the media, and when you went to the writer's Twitter he was a hardcore Biden stan. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 04/17/20 2:34:38 PM #219:	If there's a lesson to be learned about the 2020 primary I think it's the limits, ceiling, and failure of conflict-based outreach. It can't put together a winning coalition. Now I'm not saying it's the only means of outreach the Sanders campaign used but I definitely think it's a theory of outreach practiced and embraced by a large section of the left that was mostly behind him and it just is not effective as shown by the results. AOC (again she's amazing, she's been on point pretty much every time on this) even addressed just this during the primary as Biden was racking up wins in Super Tuesday and beyond. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:937582212] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>If there's a lesson to be learned about the 2020 primary I think it's the limits, ceiling, and failure of conflict-based outreach. It can't put together a winning coalition. Now I'm not saying it's the only means of outreach the Sanders campaign used but I definitely think it's a theory of outreach practiced and embraced by a large section of the left that was mostly behind him and it just is not effective as shown by the results. AOC (again she's amazing, she's been on point pretty much every time on this) even addressed just this during the primary as Biden was racking up wins in Super Tuesday and beyond. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/17/20 3:58:28 PM #220:	pyresword posted... spoiler: The progressives you are talking about here aren't interested in policy. They're interested in their cult of personality. Not entirely accurate. There are a fair number of progressives more interested in the movement more than electoral politics, and were only aligned with Bernie as part of the movement. And now that Bernie is out and endorsing Biden, they have no use for him. So in other words, pyresword posted... I suppose you could logically contort yourself into some position where you think that half-solutions are worse than no solutions and use that as a justification. But to me that seems both ignorant and also not what the people you're referring to are actually arguing anyways. yeah, people do argue this (or maybe more accurately that Biden is not even a half-solution). I disagree with the idea that progressives have room to give up any more electoral ground to the far right, but I do sympathize. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:937587345] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>pyresword posted... </cite> <quote>spoiler: The progressives you are talking about here aren't interested in policy. They're interested in their cult of personality.</quote> Not entirely accurate. There are a fair number of progressives more interested in the movement more than electoral politics, and were only aligned with Bernie as part of the movement. And now that Bernie is out and endorsing Biden, they have no use for him. So in other words, pyresword posted... </cite> <quote>I suppose you could logically contort yourself into some position where you think that half-solutions are worse than no solutions and use that as a justification. But to me that seems both ignorant and also not what the people you're referring to are actually arguing anyways.</quote> yeah, people do argue this (or maybe more accurately that Biden is not even a half-solution). I disagree with the idea that progressives have room to give up any more electoral ground to the far right, but I do sympathize. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 04/17/20 4:00:14 PM #221:	I still think this article summed it perfectly: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/10/21214970/bernie-sanders-2020-lost-class-socialism Basically we still vote based on everything but our class. The most egregious example being how working class non-educated white people shifted from Bernie in 2016 to Biden in 2020. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:937587451] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>I still think this article summed it perfectly: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/10/21214970/bernie-sanders-2020-lost-class-socialism Basically we still vote based on everything but our class. The most egregious example being how working class non-educated white people shifted from Bernie in 2016 to Biden in 2020. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 04/17/20 4:22:38 PM #222:	Jakyl25 posted... To be fair, voters will always be the main problem with democracy Guess they should just make Trump President For Life and his kids the next in line to solve this problem --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:937588811] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>To be fair, voters will always be the main problem with democracy</quote> Guess they should just make Trump President For Life and his kids the next in line to solve this problem </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 04/17/20 4:25:02 PM #223:	not just any monarchy but the greatest monarchy. trump always knew it was going to be this way, that's why he already named his son Barron. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:937588947] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>not just any monarchy but the greatest monarchy. trump always knew it was going to be this way, that's why he already named his son Barron. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 04/17/20 4:27:34 PM #224:	Maybe we should institute the Athenian system of ostracism. The person who gets the most votes in the ostracism poll is exiled from the country for 10 years. A plurality is enough and there is no runoff. We might not get a 2-party system this way because being the leader of a major party will make you a prime candidate for ostracism. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:937589093] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Maybe we should institute the Athenian system of ostracism. The person who gets the most votes in the ostracism poll is exiled from the country for 10 years. A plurality is enough and there is no runoff. We might not get a 2-party system this way because being the leader of a major party will make you a prime candidate for ostracism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/17/20 4:45:24 PM #225:	red sox 777 posted... Maybe we should institute the Athenian system of ostracism. The person who gets the most votes in the ostracism poll is exiled from the country for 10 years. A plurality is enough and there is no runoff. We might not get a 2-party system this way because being the leader of a major party will make you a prime candidate for ostracism. Make it the top 2 plurality winners and you have a deal. Exiling one of Pelosi or Hillary in exchange for Trump is a fair compromise. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:937590128] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe we should institute the Athenian system of ostracism. The person who gets the most votes in the ostracism poll is exiled from the country for 10 years. A plurality is enough and there is no runoff. We might not get a 2-party system this way because being the leader of a major party will make you a prime candidate for ostracism.</quote> Make it the top 2 plurality winners and you have a deal. Exiling one of Pelosi or Hillary in exchange for Trump is a fair compromise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 04/17/20 4:55:45 PM #226:	i'll vote for a system of Ostrichism instead. we already do a pretty good job of sticking our heads in the sand so let's just go all the way. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:937590772] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>i'll vote for a system of Ostrichism instead. we already do a pretty good job of sticking our heads in the sand so let's just go all the way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 04/17/20 5:00:18 PM #227:	SmartMuffin posted... https://twitter.com/_Kenziepuff/status/1251180071462883329 this is great wow i agree with ben shapiro what is this timeline --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:937591068] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>SmartMuffin posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/_Kenziepuff/status/1251180071462883329 this is great</quote> wow i agree with ben shapiro what is this timeline </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 04/17/20 5:02:44 PM #228:	xp1337 posted... because it is the month of our lord april and i still have to read these attacks on elizabeth warren as though she is some traitor to progressive politics she... is? when you pretend to be progressive and go from endorsing hillary to endorsing biden (while also going "oh actually i'm not endorsing anyone because i'm the best!" somewhere in there), i'm pretty sure you're a traitor. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:937591207] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>because it is the month of our lord april and i still have to read these attacks on elizabeth warren as though she is some traitor to progressive politics</quote> she... is? when you pretend to be progressive and go from endorsing hillary to endorsing biden (while also going "oh actually i'm not endorsing anyone because i'm the best!" somewhere in there), i'm pretty sure you're a traitor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 04/17/20 5:05:29 PM #229:	https://twitter.com/robertmaguire_/status/1251188908127371266?s=21 JFC --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:937591370] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/robertmaguire_/status/1251188908127371266?s=21 JFC </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 04/17/20 5:08:29 PM #230:	have we ever discussed wtf is up with him calling COVID-19 "the Invisible Enemy"? what in the hell is that even about --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:937591512] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>have we ever discussed wtf is up with him calling COVID-19 "the Invisible Enemy"? what in the hell is that even about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 04/17/20 5:09:45 PM #231:	LordoftheMorons posted... https://twitter.com/robertmaguire_/status/1251188908127371266?s=21 JFC Yeah, he is done. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:937591599] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/robertmaguire_/status/1251188908127371266?s=21 JFC</quote>Yeah, he is done. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 04/17/20 5:09:55 PM #232:	Can't blame Trump for not seeing something coming if it was invisible!!! --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:937591607] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Can't blame Trump for not seeing something coming if it was invisible!!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 04/17/20 5:13:19 PM #233:	Mr Lasastryke posted... wow i agree with ben shapiro what is this timeline you get used to it. generally speaking most conservatives are of the opinion of a controlled system to open back up. this isn't that different than most liberals either, both are largely in agreement there. you've just got the two clear extreme ends that ruin the picture: the further right you go the more you want to open everything up, the further left you go the more you want government control. everyone else more in the middle on this issue is okay with a multi-stepped system. the biggest divide on the matter relates to how strong restrictions should be and i expect one will exist on data collection when tracing apps get rolled out. i would love it if that was viewed by both camps as too invasive but i don't suspect that'll be the case, with the right being more protective of their data than the left. but i'd love to be wrong there and have everyone reject google and apple on that (and facebook). --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:937591791] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>wow i agree with ben shapiro what is this timeline</quote> you get used to it. generally speaking most conservatives are of the opinion of a controlled system to open back up. this isn't that different than most liberals either, both are largely in agreement there. you've just got the two clear extreme ends that ruin the picture: the further right you go the more you want to open everything up, the further left you go the more you want government control. everyone else more in the middle on this issue is okay with a multi-stepped system. the biggest divide on the matter relates to how strong restrictions should be and i expect one will exist on data collection when tracing apps get rolled out. i would love it if that was viewed by both camps as too invasive but i don't suspect that'll be the case, with the right being more protective of their data than the left. but i'd love to be wrong there and have everyone reject google and apple on that (and facebook). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 04/17/20 5:15:33 PM #234:	xp1337 posted... have we ever discussed wtf is up with him calling COVID-19 "the Invisible Enemy"? what in the hell is that even about i'm assuming he's using that to further put the idea of wartime president, wartime situation in people's heads. COVID-19 is too much of a euphamism. he'll occasionally point out the Chinese connections, that establishes a shot against China. virus, disease, that's all sickness. but enemy is war. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:937591916] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>have we ever discussed wtf is up with him calling COVID-19 "the Invisible Enemy"? what in the hell is that even about</quote> i'm assuming he's using that to further put the idea of wartime president, wartime situation in people's heads. COVID-19 is too much of a euphamism. he'll occasionally point out the Chinese connections, that establishes a shot against China. virus, disease, that's all sickness. but enemy is war. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 04/17/20 5:15:44 PM #235:	The issue is that we don't currently have the ability to test and trace, which we need to reopen safely. We might have had that ability if Trump had made testing a priority! In fact, he's still not doing anything on that, and demanding that the states figure it out themselves. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:937591933] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>The issue is that we don't currently have the ability to test and trace, which we need to reopen safely. We might have had that ability if Trump had made testing a priority! In fact, he's still not doing anything on that, and demanding that the states figure it out themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 04/17/20 5:21:56 PM #236:	Only surveillance totalitarian states have that ability. You ready to turn over some liberty for tracing? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:937592307] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Only surveillance totalitarian states have that ability. You ready to turn over some liberty for tracing? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 04/17/20 5:22:36 PM #237:	Corrik7 posted... Only surveillance totalitarian states have that ability. You ready to turn over some liberty for tracing? dude, we already turned over our liberty to leave the fucking house Yeah, mandatory spyware on all of our phones sucks shit, but holy fucking hell dude, it's not nearly as restrictive as what we're already living with... --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - https://imgur.com/W66HUUy http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:937592339] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Only surveillance totalitarian states have that ability. You ready to turn over some liberty for tracing?</quote> dude, we already turned over our liberty to leave the fucking house Yeah, mandatory spyware on all of our phones sucks shit, but holy fucking hell dude, it's not nearly as restrictive as what we're already living with... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 04/17/20 5:23:20 PM #238:	LordoftheMorons posted... The issue is that we don't currently have the ability to test and trace, which we need to reopen safely. We might have had that ability if Trump had made testing a priority! In fact, he's still not doing anything on that, and demanding that the states figure it out themselves. What does tracing entail? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:937592392] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>The issue is that we don't currently have the ability to test and trace, which we need to reopen safely. We might have had that ability if Trump had made testing a priority! In fact, he's still not doing anything on that, and demanding that the states figure it out themselves.</quote> What does tracing entail? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 04/17/20 5:23:23 PM #239:	SmartMuffin posted... dude, we already turned over our liberty to leave the fucking house Yeah, mandatory spyware on all of our phones sucks shit, but holy fucking hell dude, it's not nearly as restrictive as what we're already living with... So you are ready to do it then. I have no problems with it. Patriot Act was fine imo. If you aren't doing something wrong you have nothing to worry about. Liberals are the issue though. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:937592394] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>SmartMuffin posted... </cite> <quote>dude, we already turned over our liberty to leave the fucking house Yeah, mandatory spyware on all of our phones sucks shit, but holy fucking hell dude, it's not nearly as restrictive as what we're already living with...</quote>So you are ready to do it then. I have no problems with it. Patriot Act was fine imo. If you aren't doing something wrong you have nothing to worry about. Liberals are the issue though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 04/17/20 5:24:24 PM #240:	Corrik7 posted... Only surveillance totalitarian states have that ability. You ready to turn over some liberty for tracing? Your first statement is not at all true, but yes Im willing to install an app or whatever. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:937592441] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Only surveillance totalitarian states have that ability. You ready to turn over some liberty for tracing?</quote>Your first statement is not at all true, but yes Im willing to install an app or whatever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 04/17/20 5:25:27 PM #241:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... What does tracing entail? Tracking down contacts of people who tested positive and having them isolate for two weeks. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:937592488] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>What does tracing entail?</quote>Tracking down contacts of people who tested positive and having them isolate for two weeks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 04/17/20 5:27:56 PM #242:	I am not willing to install an app. No way. Absolutely not. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:937592616] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>I am not willing to install an app. No way. Absolutely not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 04/17/20 5:28:29 PM #243:	I'm opposed to some kind of mandated tracking program because that's a box that once opened is not closing. We've already got enough issues with idiotic ideas like all the floating of mandatory backdoors into phones or the even more absurd ideas of banning encryption. Although for most people social media has already done the job. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:937592641] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>I'm opposed to some kind of mandated tracking program because that's a box that once opened is not closing. We've already got enough issues with idiotic ideas like all the floating of mandatory backdoors into phones or the even more absurd ideas of banning encryption. Although for most people social media has already done the job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 04/17/20 5:29:06 PM #244:	Also, reminder that Joe Biden probably voted for the Patriot Act. Just like he voted for the Iraq War. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:937592674] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Also, reminder that Joe Biden probably voted for the Patriot Act. Just like he voted for the Iraq War. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 04/17/20 5:29:09 PM #245:	Required government phone. Required Id attached to phone. Required apps tracing location. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:937592679] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Required government phone. Required Id attached to phone. Required apps tracing location. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 04/17/20 5:29:48 PM #246:	Or we can just go to the mandatory chips in everyone. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:937592710] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Or we can just go to the mandatory chips in everyone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 04/17/20 5:30:00 PM #247:	Corrik7 posted... Required government phone. Required Id attached to phone. Required apps tracing location. That is a totalitarian dictatorship. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:937592723] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Required government phone. Required Id attached to phone. Required apps tracing location.</quote> That is a totalitarian dictatorship. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 04/17/20 5:30:51 PM #248:	red sox 777 posted... That is a totalitarian dictatorship. What I already said basically. I am okay with it. Might as well do mandatory military service also while we are at it. I am okay with these changes. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:937592763] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>That is a totalitarian dictatorship.</quote>What I already said basically. I am okay with it. Might as well do mandatory military service also while we are at it. I am okay with these changes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 04/17/20 5:31:23 PM #249:	Corrik7 posted... What I already said basically. I am okay with it. Might as well do mandatory military service also while we are at it. I am okay with these changes. Why are you okay with it? --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:937592792] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>What I already said basically. I am okay with it. Might as well do mandatory military service also while we are at it. I am okay with these changes.</quote> Why are you okay with it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 04/17/20 5:32:28 PM #250:	xp1337 posted... I'm opposed to some kind of mandated tracking program because that's a box that once opened is not closing. We've already got enough issues with idiotic ideas like all the floating of mandatory backdoors into phones or the even more absurd ideas of banning encryption. Although for most people social media has already done the job. Backdoors and encryption bans are absurd, but if it's an app you can just uninstall it when this is over. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:937592858] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm opposed to some kind of mandated tracking program because that's a box that once opened is not closing. We've already got enough issues with idiotic ideas like all the floating of mandatory backdoors into phones or the even more absurd ideas of banning encryption. Although for most people social media has already done the job.</quote>Backdoors and encryption bans are absurd, but if it's an app you can just uninstall it when this is over. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 04/17/20 5:32:58 PM #251:	Corrik7 posted... What I already said basically. I am okay with it. Might as well do mandatory military service also while we are at it. I am okay with these changes. are you goofing right now --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:937592885] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted...</cite> <quote> What I already said basically. I am okay with it. Might as well do mandatory military service also while we are at it. I am okay with these changes. </quote> are you goofing right now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 04/17/20 5:33:19 PM #252:	red sox 777 posted... Why are you okay with it? Same reason I was okay with the Patriot act. If you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about. Who cares if your government spies on you. The safety of the populace is more important than privacy. What does it matter if an eye in the sky of a possibly anonymous person knows what you are doing. Would you not give your privacy up if it could prevent a 9/11 @red13n ? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:937592905] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>Why are you okay with it?</quote>Same reason I was okay with the Patriot act. If you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about. Who cares if your government spies on you. The safety of the populace is more important than privacy. What does it matter if an eye in the sky of a possibly anonymous person knows what you are doing. Would you not give your privacy up if it could prevent a 9/11 @red13n ? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 04/17/20 5:33:39 PM #253:	MoogleKupo141 posted... are you goofing right now All previously stated opinions. Why would I be goofing. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:937592923] in Politics C... [t:78587353]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite> <quote>are you goofing right now</quote>All previously stated opinions. Why would I be goofing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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