Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 292: With Total Power Comes No Responsibility At All

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Thanks to Jakyl for letting me use my title...!

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don't forget the flair!

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

don't forget the flair!

Thanks for the catch!

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https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1250547609607036929

Is this guy correct that such a move would be legal?

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-congressman-says-he-s-willing-let-more-americans-die-n1184036

nice to see sephy rule all these states

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https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1250569553337372677

Politicians actively lamenting that deaths have been low, and publicly wishing things were worse.

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"the monster is still out there"

he sounds like a shitty parent trying to scare their children into brushing their teeth or something

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Corrik7 posted...

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1250547609607036929

Is this guy correct that such a move would be legal?

Heres the direct quote from the Constitution

[The President] may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper;

That reads to me that he can do that if they are gridlocked? Not just on his whim
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SmartMuffin posted...

"the monster is still out there"

he sounds like a shitty parent trying to scare their children into brushing their teeth or something

Or like Trump talking about immigrants
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SmartMuffin posted...

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1250569553337372677

Politicians actively lamenting that deaths have been low, and publicly wishing things were worse.

i like how he includes the original tweet so that everyone can see that he purposefully left out part of the quote

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The leaked document for reopening America supposed to be gone over tomorrow looks very basic.

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Smuffin is really pissed that we don't care about his wedding.

This is peak Susan Collins

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1250567103041732610?s=21
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I can feel the concern from here!

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Corrik7 posted...

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1250547609607036929

Is this guy correct that such a move would be legal?

https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1250556486297812992?s=21

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i like how he includes the original tweet so that everyone can see that he purposefully left out part of the quote

Avoiding that would require actually reading the whole thing himself though and that takes effort

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SmartMuffin posted...

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1250569553337372677

Politicians actively lamenting that deaths have been low, and publicly wishing things were worse.

its pretty obvious that the sad truth part is the monster still being out there unless youre some kind of dummy
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Jakyl25 posted...

Heres the direct quote from the Constitution

That reads to me that he can do that if they are gridlocked? Not just on his whim

Yes, he can do if it the Senate goes along with it. The Senate proposes adjourning until after the election, the House says no, the President adjudicates between them. And adjourns them both until after the election.

Although I don't know what purpose adjourning Congress would serve, unless to demonstrate that he can exercise one of the primary powers of a British King - proroguing or dissolving Parliament.

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Honestly if it means Congress gets back to work that'd be great.

The whole fucking off for 3 weeks leaves a sour taste.

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Oh god, I hadn't seen that news and just reading the quotes in this topic without the tweets I thought it'd be a discussion about Trump ordering Congress back in session as a PR play since both chambers are like "we out until may. peace."

But holy shit that's some high tier authoritarianism right there. Not the part of that clause I thought we'd be talking about because it's just so blatantly and explicitly unconstitutional. ...Not that that's out of character with this administration, but still.

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He's definitely pushing it. He's probably right in the end when it comes to an emergency situation but I'm thinking it's like all his other high level powers: used as a threat. Emergencies do give the executive a shitton more power but he generally likes the "I could do this but I won't+ approach.

But I just want Congress to have their vacations cut because it's nonsensical that they got to fuck off in this kind of situation. They've been horrible between the lack of a recorded vote, the vacation, and the amount of pork in their bills. If they got paid in their time off it should've been cut and they should be shamed to high hell.

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uh no he's not "probably right in the end" there is one, and only one, instance in which the President can forcibly adjourn Congress and this is not it in any way, shape, or form.

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Man if our best defense against Trump dissolving an entire branch of government is "this time you're definitely pushing it" then we are so completely utterly fucked.
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well no the defense would be that it's not something he can do constitutionally. he'd argue a mix of that power with emergency powers, though how the specifics fall, i have no idea.

it wouldn't even be a court case though since by the time it runs through the courts, they're back in DC. so it's pretty useless as an actual threat in the end, which makes this usage weirder but... hey, if it gets them back to work, good.

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SCOTUS already ruled unanimously against Obama when he tried to appoint an NLRB Director saying it was a recess appointment because House Republicans refused to agree to adjourn the House to constitute a constitutionally acceptable recess for such appointments but in all practical senses Congress was in recess. And note this was done at a time when the Senate was Democratic! It was House Republicans who were able to prevent it from being a recess because neither chamber in Congress can adjourn for more than three days without consent of the other so the Senate had to hold these to uphold that and while the Obama administration argued that those weren't real sessions... again SCOTUS was 9-0 in saying "nope."

This is 100% super unconstitutional lmfao. No "emergency powerzzzzzzz" argument exists here.

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Man if the Legislative branch has proven anything in my lifetime its that it cannot be shamed
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Also if he wants to claim emergency powers while at the same time being dead set on getting America back to work in two weeks, thats a narrow window
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also if he wants to claim emergency powers while at the same time being dead set on getting America back to work in two weeks, thats a narrow window

So the Roman Senate would give a reason when they named a dictator. Usually it was a vague "for the matter to be done" which in practice meant to lead the country at war, but they also appointed dictators for purposes such as holding elections, leading religious ceremonies, and rewriting the constitution. Trump can be dictator for the reopening of the country.

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Hard pass on that one!

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red sox 777 posted...

So the Roman Senate would give a reason when they named a dictator. Usually it was a vague "for the matter to be done" which in practice meant to lead the country at war, but they also appointed dictators for purposes such as holding elections, leading religious ceremonies, and rewriting the constitution. Trump can be dictator for the reopening of the country.

A true Cincinnatus.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/lock-her-anti-whitmer-coronavirus-lockdown-protestors-swarm-michigan-capitol-n1184426

The protest dubbed "Operation Gridlock" was organized by the Michigan Conservative Coalition and the Michigan Freedom Fund, a DeVos family-linked conservative group. Protesters were encouraged to show up and cause traffic jams, honk and bring signs to display from their cars. Organizers wrote on Facebook: "Do not park and walk stay in your vehicles!"

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Honestly, if you're going to protest in this climate as you have every right to, that pretty much seems like the perfect way to do it.

Peaceful and safe.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/sanders-media-nomination/index.html

I mean, the media definitely does hold some of the blame, undoubtedly, and I think this part in particular is incredibly funny:

And by blaming the media for his defeat, Sanders takes credit away from the remarkable comeback that Joe Biden, the presumptive nominee, who he formally endorsed just this week, engineered.

People can write paragraphs about how Bernie lost, but can anyone tell me what Joe Biden engineered to win? He literally did nothing, lol.

He won because he was considered most electable, and he was considered most electable because he won.


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I didnt bother tracking down the real tweet, but this seems adjacent to what Inviso or Lasa or whomever set Sess off was trying to say and I wonder if hell be upset about it.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

its pretty obvious that the sad truth part is the monster still being out there unless youre some kind of dummy

which is why i like that he included the original tweet.

if you're going to super obviously misquote someone, at least don't show everyone what you're doing!

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"We've won the battle, we've flattened the curve, but the sad fact is the monster is still out there."

Hey look, it's the exact same words with the exact same meaning.

That's the definition of lazy, bad faith arguing.

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Are you people nuts? In the original tweet he says "the sad truth is that we've won the battle," NOT "the sad truth is that the monster is still out there."

Best case scenario is that he meant to say what you are claiming he said, he's just really dumb and bad at the English language and doesn't know how...

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SmartMuffin posted...

Are you people nuts? In the original tweet he says "the sad truth is that we've won the battle," NOT "the sad truth is that the monster is still out there."

Best case scenario is that he meant to say what you are claiming he said, he's just really dumb and bad at the English language and doesn't know how...

I mean... you forgive Trump for this all the time... soooooo

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SmartMuffin posted...

Are you people nuts? In the original tweet he says "the sad truth is that we've won the battle," NOT "the sad truth is that the monster is still out there."

Best case scenario is that he meant to say what you are claiming he said, he's just really dumb and bad at the English language and doesn't know how...

in the original tweet he says "the sad truth is that we've won the battle BUT the monster is still out there." like moogle said, he's obviously saying that the thing he's sad about is that the monster is still out there. anyone with the reading comprehension of a 3 year old can see this.

it's like if i said "it's pretty sad that i scored 86 points in this contest but i still didn't make the leaderboard" and you only quoted the first part and then said "LOL LASA IS SAD ABOUT HAVING 86 POINTS."

like, you think it's extremely plausible that a governor is saying "man, i'm so sad that we got the coronavirus under control and people aren't dying from it anymore" in a press conference? really?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

He won because he was considered most electable, and he was considered most electable because he won.

He was considered most electable because he was a white male who didn't stir the pot, and was well-known.

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He won because Moderate Voltron, and that's literally it.

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SmartMuffin posted...

Are you people nuts? In the original tweet he says "the sad truth is that we've won the battle," NOT "the sad truth is that the monster is still out there."

Best case scenario is that he meant to say what you are claiming he said, he's just really dumb and bad at the English language and doesn't know how...

"The sad truth is that we've won the battle, it appears we've flattened the curve, but the monster is still out there."

There is no period after "won the battle." There is a "but."

You're just really bad at reading, I guess.

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Here's the full press conference with relevant timestamp in case anyone wants further confirmation that smuffin is wrong.

https://youtu.be/e54g0Tpsmxc?t=3141
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FFDragon posted...

He won because Moderate Voltron, and that's literally it.

Doesn't make sense.

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And yet here we are

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I do have to actually agree with Corrik that "Moderate Voltron" doesn't make sense as a reason for why Biden won, considering "Moderate Voltron" vs. Bernie, in reality, is... Biden vs. Bernie.

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FFDragon posted...

And yet here we are

If your argument is the moderates formed together thus he won, then your argument is also Bernie never had a chance or was a viable candidate because it was only others sapping votes from Biden that made him even a consideration.

And that argument is just that Bernie never could beat Biden.

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charles de gaulle: france has lost the battle but she has not lost the war.
muffin: he said "france has lost" so obviously he's given up!

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HashtagSEP posted...

I do have to actually agree with Corrik that "Moderate Voltron" doesn't make sense as a reason for why Biden won, considering "Moderate Voltron" vs. Bernie, in reality, is... Biden vs. Bernie.

Had there been a Conservative Megazord on 2016, we don't get President Trump.

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