Board 8 > Coronavirus Topic 4: Oblivion

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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1241505067062026240?s=21
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KY governor mentioned during a state address that our bourbon distilleries are producing hand sanitizer.

Moonroof posted...

Are they treating people who dont have insurance?

All elective procedures are postponed atm. Which means right now much fewer procedures and patients than normal unless they are covid patients which means waiting on payment.

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So my mother does work with taxes and her company set her and the others up to work from home, but they needed the okay from the PA governor because they deal with sensitive documents and can't have them from home, and they haven't even been told they are an essential business so they can still go to work.

So they rounded them all up and told them because they haven't heard back in a week that they don't have work for them, but they're not laying them off because they might hear back from the governor eventually, so they can't collect unemployment. And they were told that they could just use their PTO if they wanted.

This is a mess and it's disgraceful that there is nothing set in place by our government yet.

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https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/1241531837849014273

Pretty encouraging if the trend is coming back down again. They'd struggled with an uptick recently because another (much smaller) group began super-spreading, but this is nearly 50 fewer than yesterday's report.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

oh boy I just checked and ultis talking about martial law and weirdly throwing in an attack at illegal immigrants and the homeless?

The martial law bit is my personal issue with it. But for what it's worth he's not alone in hearing about that, I've heard similar separate of Board 8.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

oh was that what timjab was talking about? ulti has me blocked too so i didn't see it.

Likely getting info from people at similar levels.
I saw it here by Ulti and tim, then checked another chat I'm in and got info from an EMT friend saying something similar AND another cop. Remember: Tim's from NYC, I'm from NYC, EMT and other cop friend are NYC, and Ulti is Jersey. If we're all getting similar info, there's definitely some truth to it but not exactly what's being said. We're also probably getting info from people not that high up.

My understanding is that police are expected to hold more order. Tony mentioned the national guard coming here, same idea there too. But that's not a martial law situation, it's not a nobody can leave for no reason, it's enforce the rules and protect order. There's a notable avoid an uptick in more crime. Examples
https://nypost.com/2020/03/21/coronavirus-cant-kill-nyc-crime-but-might-be-slowing-it-down/

This hasn't been talked about publicly that much, that Post article is just today and highlighting the problem. And then there's one of the worst, most vile scams I've heard being done in both regions: robbers knocking on your door pretending to be the CDC saying they're here to test you for the virus.

Not being hyperbolic when i say i hope all those people get shot. Utterly worthless scum with no positive value whatsoever.

But with this uptick of crime, with the crisis obviously getting worse, there's an expectation of cops taking more control. This doesn't mean you won't be able to leave, nobody actually involved with the planning should be pushing that. Most likely it's a mix of telephone with different interpretations happening: "there's gonna be a lockdown," "we're cracking down on it," "no getting in and out," statements like this being taken at face value as opposed to "this lockdown still allows over 20 essential business types to keep working, doesn't prohibit you from leaving to do what you need to do, and you can still do a little exercise/walk;" "we're cracking down on criminal activity and having a stronger police presence in the field to enforce rules on limited gatherings, meaning more large group parties or BBQ;" "no getting in and out of NY and perhaps certain limited areas without a reason, more critical areas may involve fever checking, and we're basically make checkpoints to limit the spread."

(That last one needs more info but it may well only mean specifically to bridges and a limit on the MTA.)

It's not that they're wrong exactly, it's that they're assuming the most extreme scenarios.

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Theres a difference between Tim saying this is what I have heard could happen and Ulti saying This IS whats happening and you must flee the city if you are able
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Like Ulti is actively trying to get more people infected
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nationwide martial law is just not possible, even if we bring home every single troop from every single branch. it could happen in select areas but honestly even that is unlikely. the national guard coming in to help keep order and distrubute medical and other necessary supplies isn't martial law

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Jakyl25 posted...

Theres a difference between Tim saying this is what I have heard could happen and Ulti saying This IS whats happening and you must flee the city if you are able

I agree. I also value Tim's position and opinion a lot more since he's literally boots on the ground here and I'm sure a lot of cops want more drastic measures to limit crime, especially after seeing PA take the opposite direction. Even though I've got other sources probably at similar levels, I'm not gonna spread the info as much because it would be irresponsible. Not saying ulti is right. Just that I can understand it.

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A dude at work just called off for "corona like symptoms" and another guy is refusing to come in because of it. They both are out 14 days at least now. Both are slackers who hate OT and try to avoid it at all costs. Aka I am calling bullshit and their bullshit can cause repercussions for the whole plant.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyUnSuYYs18

brak has a very important message for these trying times

(shamelessly stolen from someone on facebook)

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Corrik7 posted...

A dude at work just called off for "corona like symptoms" and another guy is refusing to come in because of it. They both are out 14 days at least now. Both are slackers who hate OT and try to avoid it at all costs. Aka I am calling bullshit and their bullshit can cause repercussions for the whole plant.

Would you rather they come in and risk it?
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I'm a lot more concerned with my dumbass co-workers who always come in sick no matter what still doing it now than with any slackers calling out healthy. If someone calls out I'll have absolutely no problem letting them.

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For what it's worth, I have a relative who works in the State Department, and while most State Department people have or are transitioning to work-from-home, said relative hasn't heard anything about a nationwide lockdown.

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You mean the DEEP STATE DEPARTMENT
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only as some people refer to it as

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Jakyl25 posted...

Would you rather they come in and risk it?

Absolutely not. It's just very convenient who the people are is what I am saying. They are literally no cases in the areas they both live.

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turbopuns3 posted...

KY governor mentioned during a state address that our bourbon distilleries are producing hand sanitizer.

That ain't right, a bourbon shortage could cause a significant death toll as well

Well he didn't say they're exclusively making hand sanitizer. I assumed it was more like an extra effort. Though I didn't look into it beyond that tbh.

bourborn as in the chocolate biscuits? theyre bad in this country

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Bourbon is an alcoholic beverage here

Are you thinking of bonbons?
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Clear illustration of these measures working:

https://twitter.com/KySportsRadio/status/1241360418565689346

Kentucky hasn't done shelter in place yet and new infections are still growing, but they've substantially reduced the spread of the virus.

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https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-21-20-intl-hnk/index.html

grow up Californians

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Clear illustration of these measures working:

https://twitter.com/KySportsRadio/status/1241360418565689346

Kentucky hasn't done shelter in place yet and new infections are still growing, but they've substantially reduced the spread of the virus.

Think there is a false attribution here.

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A friend of mine who works at an urgent care in LA says they were not prepared at all for this and 4 of her coworkers have contracted the virus.

Also, a cluster of people who attended CRSSD Festival in SD got the virus.

Welp.

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there's just no way for any institution to be prepared for this.

one day you're good, 10 people a day, it sucks but you can work with it.
4-6 days later you've gone up to 20 people a day. still working on the others (40-60) but alright.
4-6 days after that you're tapped out because you're getting 40 a day, even if you magically got rid of the first batch you've still got the 2nd batch to deal with (80-120), and know that in 4-6 more days this batch will still be there and have to deal with those.

the worst multiplier is at the beginning from what we've seen but once people start cracking down and focusing on limiting contact it drastically improves. ...but even as it improves the rate is still a doubling. right now, for the US, we ain't even at the phase to get accurate numbers on what our rate is, we barely got testing. NY is the US case to look at, especially NYC. fortunately Monday is looking to probably be run harder as we already know the stock exchange has the floor closed. that ain't normal.

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We will never get accurate numbers now because we are actively limiting testing.

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Wanglicious posted...

there's just no way for any institution to be prepared for this.

Not quite; that would be true with no severe mitigation efforts, but we are using those in several states now. I'm fairly confident these lockdowns should bring R0 below 1 (China's ultra-extreme lockdown looks like it brought it down to a little over 0.3, so we just need to be like a third as effective as them), in which case there will be some peak, and if we had started this drastic intervention earlier or prepped extra medical equipment the system may have been able to handle it. It looks quite likely that at least some of them are gonna be overloaded now, though.

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red13n posted...

We will never get accurate numbers now because we are actively limiting testing.

i agree.
that's why i look at NY's numbers as the closest thing we've got because it's the only state with any semblance of speed on it.

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Testing healthy people could be seen as a bad use of resources when resources are critical.

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Corrik7 posted...

Testing healthy people could be seen as a bad use of resources when resources are critical.

But at the same time we are releasing numbers we know are significantly lower than the actual numbers and that is causing people to take this less seriously. Particularly among those already convinced this is a hoax/overblown.

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red13n posted...

But at the same time we are releasing numbers we know are significantly lower than the actual numbers and that is causing people to take this less seriously. Particularly among those already convinced this is a hoax/overblown.

Some people aren't gonna take stuff serious until they are in the hospital. We have a population that is built upon division, critical thought, and distrust of the government.

We could release 100 million people have the virus, but until is affects some people, some people aren't going to take it serious even then.

People care more about their freedom to do what they want and their individual thoughts than the greater good a lot.

Let me say this, red. You say people think it is a hoax/overblown because of Trump right? What if on the other hand, people think Trump shouldn't be listened to because Democrats have been saying that Trump is incompetent and NotOurPresident for 3 years also?

I mean, beyond that... we just have a not cohesive population. We really haven't had one since we had a common enemy which brought fear onto us to unite against. People mock 1984 and the eastasia eurasia stuff, but how united have we been besides WW2, the Cold War, and 9/11? WW2 even took Pearl Harbor.

Our population is one that has always been divisive. And, this is why our population is a struggle with events like these where more submissive cultures do better.

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Unfortunately we are on the verge of seeing big spikes in the number of deaths, so hopefully those will catch people's attention.

about 640 new cases in my country today. slight increase compared to the amount of new cases yesterday.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Bourbon is an alcoholic beverage here

Are you thinking of bonbons?

No Bourbons are a chocolate biscuit too

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Jakyl25 posted...

Someone really needs to mark that Ulti topic for spreading dangerous info

I cant because Im blocked and had to log out to see it.

I tried (I didn't mark it but said he was spreading false and dangerous info) but he blocked me for saying so

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Also my girlfriend tested positive yesterday. Her symptoms are still mild but still very scary.

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Sad news man. She should be fine though, presuming shes not over 60. Hopefully she receives a speedy recovery.

there's also 3 million sephy and muffin posts maintaining that the virus isn't a big deal at all and that the flu is worse

if we're going to mark that ulti topic we might as well mark those posts

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What do you have to do now that shes tested positive? That must be tough
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I just logged out to check the topic and he is actually getting worse Jesus Christ.

He's actually gloating about being "ahead of the curve." I posted the same info like 3 days prior. Is he literally insane?

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Jakyl25 posted...

What do you have to do now that shes tested positive? That must be tough

Leave her in quarantine by herself and hope she's OK. Luckily she has pets to keep her company but it is really shitty for her to be sick and not be able to take care of her.

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I honestly believe something has been off about him for years now, beyond trolling
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SavageInTheBox posted...

Leave her in quarantine by herself and hope she's OK. Luckily she has pets to keep her company but it is really shitty for her to be sick and not be able to take care of her.

Still lots of good things you can do for support though! Stay in contact, drop off food and supplies, itll all be appreciated Im sure
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SavageInTheBox posted...

Luckily she has pets to keep her company but it is really shitty for her to be sick and not be able to take care of her.

I feel for you, that's rough.

And please forgive my curiosity, could that mean there's a high likelihood you have it too?

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If I do have it, I probably didn't get it from her. We have both been crazy busy with work (I'm law enforcement, she works for ASPCA) so we haven't seen each other in person for like a week. I probably have it for the same reason she does, that being that neither of us can stay home and interact with tons of people, but I'm fine. I have had a kinda scratchy throat and cough but I'm attributing it to allergies.

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Crap dude, I hope she recovers quickly and fully.

Both my siblings deal with sick patients every day and are carrying on with realistic expectations (ie: "good chance I get this").

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SavageInTheBox posted...

If I do have it, I probably didn't get it from her. We have both been crazy busy with work (I'm law enforcement, she works for ASPCA) so we haven't seen each other in person for like a week. I probably have it for the same reason she does, that being that neither of us can stay home and interact with tons of people, but I'm fine. I have had a kinda scratchy throat and cough but I'm attributing it to allergies.

So wait. You are leaving your girlfriend alone in quarantine when she is infected and you have the symptoms (but are attributing them to allergies)?

Thus, you yourself are admittedly a possible super spreader by not following the rules you want everyone else to?

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