Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 271: Two Turds With One Stone

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FFDragon 02/21/20 6:03:50 PM #202:	LordoftheMorons posted... I don't think Bernie's proposed policies will be more effective in helping the average person than those of any of his primary opponents. This is the hottest take of the topic for sure --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:934700766] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think Bernie's proposed policies will be more effective in helping the average person than those of any of his primary opponents.</quote> This is the hottest take of the topic for sure </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:09:22 PM #203:	https://i.imgur.com/b3rHEcV.jpg LoTM. Read this. Do you agree? Now realize there is a study in a medical journal, not a spin room but a medical journal, that says Bernie's plan would be more cost effective and also save 68,000 lives a YEAR. You bring up "Bernie Bros" more than you bring up Healthcare. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934700978] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>https://i.imgur.com/b3rHEcV.jpg LoTM. Read this. Do you agree? Now realize there is a study in a medical journal, not a spin room but a medical journal, that says Bernie's plan would be more cost effective and also save 68,000 lives a YEAR. You bring up "Bernie Bros" more than you bring up Healthcare. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/21/20 6:10:08 PM #204:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Are we not allowed to be concerned about you listening to us when months ago Bernie and his supporters were told to shut up and fall in line or theyd hurt Dems general election chances? The point was that not supporting Hillary meant that Donald Trump, a guy who opposes everything that Bernie claimed to stand for, got elected. It wasn't "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary." --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:934701007] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Are we not allowed to be concerned about you listening to us when months ago Bernie and his supporters were told to shut up and fall in line or theyd hurt Dems general election chances? </quote>The point was that not supporting Hillary meant that Donald Trump, a guy who opposes everything that Bernie claimed to stand for, got elected. It wasn't "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:11:03 PM #205:	LordoftheMorons posted... The point was that not supporting Hillary meant that Donald Trump, a guy who opposes everything that Bernie claimed to stand for, got elected. It wasn't "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary." Stop voter blaming, it was Hillary's own fault she did a crappy job. If you can't inspire you don't win. Trump, god help me, inspired his base. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934701039] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>The point was that not supporting Hillary meant that Donald Trump, a guy who opposes everything that Bernie claimed to stand for, got elected. It wasn't "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary."</quote> Stop voter blaming, it was Hillary's own fault she did a crappy job. If you can't inspire you don't win. Trump, god help me, inspired his base. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 02/21/20 6:12:45 PM #206:	LordoftheMorons posted... It wasn't "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary." It literally was in a few places that I saw. And even the more "benign" bits about it tended to come off as really smug and condescending. Are you surprised that a large number of Sanders supporters may have felt more than a bit jilted between that and the DNC having their thumb on the scale of the primary (especially w.r.t the handling of superdelegates)? Granted, anecdotes and data etc, but still. <cite>Reg posted [p:934701102] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>It wasn't "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary."</quote>It literally was in a few places that I saw. And even the more "benign" bits about it tended to come off as really smug and condescending. Are you surprised that a large number of Sanders supporters may have felt more than a bit jilted between that and the DNC having their thumb on the scale of the primary (especially w.r.t the handling of superdelegates)? Granted, anecdotes and data etc, but still. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/21/20 6:14:35 PM #207:	LordoftheMorons posted... The point was that not supporting Hillary meant that Donald Trump, a guy who opposes everything that Bernie claimed to stand for, got elected. It wasn't "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary." He doesn't though. And he didn't. Here's a quick list of things Trump and Bernie both support: The working class Protectionism America Self-determination/democracy Opposing the Democratic Party Opposing money in politics Healthcare that is better than Obamacare Populism Hillary by contrast doesn't really support any of these things except maybe #3. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:934701188] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>The point was that not supporting Hillary meant that Donald Trump, a guy who opposes everything that Bernie claimed to stand for, got elected. It wasn't "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary."</quote> He doesn't though. And he didn't. Here's a quick list of things Trump and Bernie both support: The working classProtectionismAmericaSelf-determination/democracyOpposing the Democratic PartyOpposing money in politicsHealthcare that is better than ObamacarePopulismHillary by contrast doesn't really support any of these things except maybe #3. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:16:45 PM #208:	Here is how desperate the moderate wing of the democratic party is: They are throwing shade at Bernie for having a lake house when the jab came from a man worth 32,000 times the money Bernie has. It's amazing. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934701255] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Here is how desperate the moderate wing of the democratic party is: They are throwing shade at Bernie for having a lake house when the jab came from a man worth 32,000 times the money Bernie has. It's amazing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/21/20 6:18:53 PM #209:	LordoftheMorons posted... "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary." Yeah it was I say that as someone who supported Hillary over Trump constantly and thought she would be a decent President Hillary's toxic fanbase is less prevalent on the internet, but have you ever like...tuned into daytime TV talk shows that millions of women watch? --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934701316] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>"hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary."</quote>Yeah it was I say that as someone who supported Hillary over Trump constantly and thought she would be a decent President Hillary's toxic fanbase is less prevalent on the internet, but have you ever like...tuned into daytime TV talk shows that millions of women watch? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/21/20 6:19:46 PM #210:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Here is how desperate the moderate wing of the democratic party is: They are throwing shade at Bernie for having a lake house when the jab came from a man worth 32,000 times the money Bernie has. It's amazing. Be ready for the general election. If you think this is bad, the general is going to be a million times worse. The "Bernie lake house" talking point has been a constant criticism of all the right wing talking heads for years. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:934701353] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Here is how desperate the moderate wing of the democratic party is: They are throwing shade at Bernie for having a lake house when the jab came from a man worth 32,000 times the money Bernie has. It's amazing.</quote> Be ready for the general election. If you think this is bad, the general is going to be a million times worse. The "Bernie lake house" talking point has been a constant criticism of all the right wing talking heads for years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/21/20 6:20:38 PM #211:	Suprak the Stud posted... Be ready for the general election. If you think this is bad, the general is going to be a million times worse. The "Bernie lake house" talking point has been a constant criticism of all the right wing talking heads for years. I'm prepared to tell people that the difference between owning a million dollars and owning a billion dollars is astronomical I'm also prepared for people not to listen because people don't understand numbers --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934701388] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>Be ready for the general election. If you think this is bad, the general is going to be a million times worse. The "Bernie lake house" talking point has been a constant criticism of all the right wing talking heads for years.</quote>I'm prepared to tell people that the difference between owning a million dollars and owning a billion dollars is astronomical I'm also prepared for people not to listen because people don't understand numbers </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/21/20 6:21:20 PM #212:	DoomTheGyarados posted... https://i.imgur.com/b3rHEcV.jpg LoTM. Read this. Do you agree? Now realize there is a study in a medical journal, not a spin room but a medical journal, that says Bernie's plan would be more cost effective and also save 68,000 lives a YEAR. You bring up "Bernie Bros" more than you bring up Healthcare. The people with the most relevant expertise to analyze this are economists, not doctors. If everything you say is 100% true and electing Bernie is going to save tens of thousands of lives and you see people getting turned off by mean tweets, would it not logically follow that, I don't know, these people not being a dick to everybody who disagrees with them? After all, it's saving lives! I've been clear that I think there is massive risk in transitioning to M4A. It's an extremely complex task with a ton of potential for unintended consequences, and nothing that Bernie has done has convinced me that he can bring those risks down to a low enough level to justify it. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:934701412] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>https://i.imgur.com/b3rHEcV.jpg LoTM. Read this. Do you agree? Now realize there is a study in a medical journal, not a spin room but a medical journal, that says Bernie's plan would be more cost effective and also save 68,000 lives a YEAR. You bring up "Bernie Bros" more than you bring up Healthcare.</quote>The people with the most relevant expertise to analyze this are economists, not doctors.If everything you say is 100% true and electing Bernie is going to save tens of thousands of lives and you see people getting turned off by mean tweets, would it not logically follow that, I don't know, these people not being a dick to everybody who disagrees with them? After all, it's saving lives!I've been clear that I think there is massive risk in transitioning to M4A. It's an extremely complex task with a ton of potential for unintended consequences, and nothing that Bernie has done has convinced me that he can bring those risks down to a low enough level to justify it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 02/21/20 6:21:24 PM #213:	LordoftheMorons posted... It wasn't "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary." As somebody who wasn't at all a Bernie fan back then, as this topic well knows, yeah, it kinda was. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:934701417] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>It wasn't "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary."</quote> As somebody who wasn't at all a Bernie fan back then, as this topic well knows, yeah, it kinda was. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 02/21/20 6:21:41 PM #214:	its so damn stupid if Bernie is rich, his policy proposals will cost him money. That actually gives him more credibility! Hed be doing a good thing at his own expense. --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:934701431] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>its so damn stupid if Bernie is rich, his policy proposals will cost him money. That actually gives him more credibility! Hed be doing a good thing at his own expense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/21/20 6:23:47 PM #215:	LordoftheMorons posted... If everything you say is 100% true and electing Bernie is going to save tens of thousands of lives and you see people getting turned off by mean tweets, would it not logically follow that, I don't know, these people not being a dick to everybody who disagrees with them? After all, it's saving lives! People get passionate about matters that are literally life or death. I don't think you really understand that not everyone is going to be perfectly logical and calm about getting royally fucked by a system they have no power over. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934701504] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>If everything you say is 100% true and electing Bernie is going to save tens of thousands of lives and you see people getting turned off by mean tweets, would it not logically follow that, I don't know, these people not being a dick to everybody who disagrees with them? After all, it's saving lives!</quote>People get passionate about matters that are literally life or death. I don't think you really understand that not everyone is going to be perfectly logical and calm about getting royally fucked by a system they have no power over. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/21/20 6:23:50 PM #216:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Stop voter blaming, it was Hillary's own fault she did a crappy job. Don't agree with this take at all. Yes, Clinton made mistakes in her campaign (focusing on stretch states over PA/MI/WI being the most infamous) and she should absolutely be held accountable for those. But that election was also an indictment on the electorate (and the institutions like the Electoral College underneath it) and I think it is wrong, if not dangerous, to just handwave that away and put it all on her. If we don't grapple with things like how reactionary many white people became after Obama (with moments like his comments on Trayvon being clear tipping moments you can see in how opinions were affected), sexism, xenophobia, etc. you're failing to take a look at the root causes. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:934701505] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Stop voter blaming, it was Hillary's own fault she did a crappy job.</quote>Don't agree with this take at all. Yes, Clinton made mistakes in her campaign (focusing on stretch states over PA/MI/WI being the most infamous) and she should absolutely be held accountable for those. But that election was also an indictment on the electorate (and the institutions like the Electoral College underneath it) and I think it is wrong, if not dangerous, to just handwave that away and put it all on her. If we don't grapple with things like how reactionary many white people became after Obama (with moments like his comments on Trayvon being clear tipping moments you can see in how opinions were affected), sexism, xenophobia, etc. you're failing to take a look at the root causes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/21/20 6:25:30 PM #217:	Hillary ran a bad campaign but she was also phenomenally unlucky. I'll leave it at that. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934701559] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Hillary ran a bad campaign but she was also phenomenally unlucky. I'll leave it at that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:27:12 PM #218:	xp1337 posted... Don't agree with this take at all. Yes, Clinton made mistakes in her campaign (focusing on stretch states over PA/MI/WI being the most infamous) and she should absolutely be held accountable for those. But that election was also an indictment on the electorate (and the institutions like the Electoral College underneath it) and I think it is wrong, if not dangerous, to just handwave that away and put it all on her. If we don't grapple with things like how reactionary many white people became after Obama (with moments like his comments on Trayvon being clear tipping moments you can see in how opinions were affected), sexism, xenophobia, etc. you're failing to take a look at the root causes. I think it is even MORE dangerous to our country to put almost none of it on her, as many people in her party so desperately want to do. No one has to tell me segments of this country are just not great places, I already know that, but apparently a large portion of leadership thinks Hillary was just bad luck and we should just try more of the same in 2020. Basically my # 1 goal is for republicans to not get their way. That's why I support Bernie. Because he is the surest bet this party has of actually reversing the republican domination that has gone on for a decade now. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934701616] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>Don't agree with this take at all. Yes, Clinton made mistakes in her campaign (focusing on stretch states over PA/MI/WI being the most infamous) and she should absolutely be held accountable for those. But that election was also an indictment on the electorate (and the institutions like the Electoral College underneath it) and I think it is wrong, if not dangerous, to just handwave that away and put it all on her. If we don't grapple with things like how reactionary many white people became after Obama (with moments like his comments on Trayvon being clear tipping moments you can see in how opinions were affected), sexism, xenophobia, etc. you're failing to take a look at the root causes.</quote> I think it is even MORE dangerous to our country to put almost none of it on her, as many people in her party so desperately want to do. No one has to tell me segments of this country are just not great places, I already know that, but apparently a large portion of leadership thinks Hillary was just bad luck and we should just try more of the same in 2020. Basically my # 1 goal is for republicans to not get their way. That's why I support Bernie. Because he is the surest bet this party has of actually reversing the republican domination that has gone on for a decade now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/21/20 6:27:49 PM #219:	LordoftheMorons posted... The point was that not supporting Hillary meant that Donald Trump, a guy who opposes everything that Bernie claimed to stand for, got elected. It wasn't "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary." Dude they practically officially compared Hillary to Danarys, Emilia Clarke endorsed her with a photoshopped Khaleesi Clinton --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:934701639] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>The point was that not supporting Hillary meant that Donald Trump, a guy who opposes everything that Bernie claimed to stand for, got elected. It wasn't "hah you lost bow down before queen Hillary."</quote> Dude they practically officially compared Hillary to Danarys, Emilia Clarke endorsed her with a photoshopped Khaleesi Clinton </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/21/20 6:29:33 PM #220:	DoomTheGyarados posted... apparently a large portion of leadership thinks Hillary was just bad luck and we should just try more of the same in 2020. I actually think each non-Sanders candidate this year is weaker than 2016 Hillary so I can easily hold the first opinion but not the second! ~~Also Bernie 2016 would have been stronger than Hillary 2016~~ --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934701698] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>apparently a large portion of leadership thinks Hillary was just bad luck and we should just try more of the same in 2020.</quote>I actually think each non-Sanders candidate this year is weaker than 2016 Hillary so I can easily hold the first opinion but not the second! Also Bernie 2016 would have been stronger than Hillary 2016 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/21/20 6:29:42 PM #221:	I think Hillary's great strategic mistake was she got greedy. She thought "oh I'm going to run up the score" and waste all her time and effort in places like Georgia and North Carolina and Texas while ignoring what was her firewall states. She did way less campaigning in MI and WI than she did in like Ohio and Florida. I won't say it is 100% her fault, but her campaign definitely had a role in it. IMO at least! --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:934701703] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>I think Hillary's great strategic mistake was she got greedy. She thought "oh I'm going to run up the score" and waste all her time and effort in places like Georgia and North Carolina and Texas while ignoring what was her firewall states. She did way less campaigning in MI and WI than she did in like Ohio and Florida. I won't say it is 100% her fault, but her campaign definitely had a role in it. IMO at least! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/21/20 6:29:44 PM #222:	FFDragon posted... This is the hottest take of the topic for sure Why. None of Bernie's main policies will ever pass congress. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934701706] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>FFDragon posted... </cite> <quote>This is the hottest take of the topic for sure</quote>Why. None of Bernie's main policies will ever pass congress. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:30:19 PM #223:	Corrik7 posted... Why. None of Bernie's main policies will ever pass congress. Half of them don't even need congress! --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934701720] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Why. None of Bernie's main policies will ever pass congress.</quote> Half of them don't even need congress! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/21/20 6:31:33 PM #224:	Suprak the Stud posted... I think Hillary's great strategic mistake was she got greedy. She thought "oh I'm going to run up the score" and waste all her time and effort in places like Georgia and North Carolina and Texas while ignoring what was her firewall states. She did way less campaigning in MI and WI than she did in like Ohio and Florida. I won't say it is 100% her fault, but her campaign definitely had a role in it. IMO at least! It's true that Hillary fucked up by ignoring MI/WI, but she spent a ton of time in PA so just fixing that wouldn't have been enough. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:934701759] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>I think Hillary's great strategic mistake was she got greedy. She thought "oh I'm going to run up the score" and waste all her time and effort in places like Georgia and North Carolina and Texas while ignoring what was her firewall states. She did way less campaigning in MI and WI than she did in like Ohio and Florida. I won't say it is 100% her fault, but her campaign definitely had a role in it. IMO at least!</quote>It's true that Hillary fucked up by ignoring MI/WI, but she spent a ton of time in PA so just fixing that wouldn't have been enough. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/21/20 6:32:16 PM #225:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Half of them don't even need congress! The danger is if half of them don't need congress, then half of them will be undone as soon as republicans reach the presidency again. Which they will no matter how popular a hypothetical Sanders winds up being! --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:934701791] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Half of them don't even need congress!</quote> The danger is if half of them don't need congress, then half of them will be undone as soon as republicans reach the presidency again. Which they will no matter how popular a hypothetical Sanders winds up being! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/21/20 6:32:31 PM #226:	I don't think that half of what Bernie is proposing will end up happening. The bigger deal is shifting the national narrative away from "fuck the poor" - and electing Bernie will do just that. He's not perfect, but I have little doubt that he will try his hardest to actually fight for people during his tenure, and putting a progressive in the White House would mean a lot in a symbolic way. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934701801] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>I don't think that half of what Bernie is proposing will end up happening. The bigger deal is shifting the national narrative away from "fuck the poor" - and electing Bernie will do just that. He's not perfect, but I have little doubt that he will try his hardest to actually fight for people during his tenure, and putting a progressive in the White House would mean a lot in a symbolic way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:32:57 PM #227:	Suprak the Stud posted... The danger is if half of them don't need congress, then half of them will be undone as soon as republicans reach the presidency again. Which they will no matter how popular a hypothetical Sanders winds up being! Not true actually, because if you undo something wildly popular by the public its political suicide. RIP Republicans House Majority for details --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934701818] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>The danger is if half of them don't need congress, then half of them will be undone as soon as republicans reach the presidency again. Which they will no matter how popular a hypothetical Sanders winds up being!</quote> Not true actually, because if you undo something wildly popular by the public its political suicide. RIP Republicans House Majority for details </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/21/20 6:33:03 PM #228:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Half of them don't even need congress! Um, has big 3 policies are Free College, Debt Relief, and Medicare for all. Which of these doesn't need Congress? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934701822] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Half of them don't even need congress!</quote>Um, has big 3 policies are Free College, Debt Relief, and Medicare for all. Which of these doesn't need Congress? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:33:45 PM #229:	KamikazePotato posted... I don't think that half of what Bernie is proposing will end up happening. The bigger deal is shifting the national narrative away from "fuck the poor" - and electing Bernie will do just that. He's not perfect, but I have little doubt that he will try his hardest to actually fight for people during his tenure, and putting a progressive in the White House would mean a lot in a symbolic way. Also this. Bernie in the white house changes a lot about national politics forever. You don't need big money to win. You don't have to be a moderate to win the midwest etc --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934701851] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think that half of what Bernie is proposing will end up happening. The bigger deal is shifting the national narrative away from "fuck the poor" - and electing Bernie will do just that. He's not perfect, but I have little doubt that he will try his hardest to actually fight for people during his tenure, and putting a progressive in the White House would mean a lot in a symbolic way.</quote> Also this. Bernie in the white house changes a lot about national politics forever. You don't need big money to win. You don't have to be a moderate to win the midwest etc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:34:25 PM #230:	Corrik7 posted... Um, has big 3 policies are Free College, Debt Relief, and Medicare for all. Which of these doesn't need Congress? He can make it legal to import drugs from canada day 1, which will be a massive first step in reducing cost! He can also legalize weed federally. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934701873] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Um, has big 3 policies are Free College, Debt Relief, and Medicare for all. Which of these doesn't need Congress?</quote> He can make it legal to import drugs from canada day 1, which will be a massive first step in reducing cost! He can also legalize weed federally. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/21/20 6:34:37 PM #231:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Also this. Bernie in the white house changes a lot about national politics forever. You don't need big money to win. You don't have to be a moderate to win the midwest etc Trump already did the you don't need big money to win. Trump alrdy did the don't need to be a moderate to win the Midwest. Like, what? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934701885] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Also this. Bernie in the white house changes a lot about national politics forever. You don't need big money to win. You don't have to be a moderate to win the midwest etc</quote>Trump already did the you don't need big money to win. Trump alrdy did the don't need to be a moderate to win the Midwest. Like, what? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:35:10 PM #232:	Corrik7 posted... Trump already did the you don't need big money to win. Trump alrdy did the don't need to be a moderate to win the Midwest. Like, what? Corrik just stop lmao. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934701902] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Trump already did the you don't need big money to win. Trump alrdy did the don't need to be a moderate to win the Midwest. Like, what?</quote> Corrik just stop lmao. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/21/20 6:35:13 PM #233:	DoomTheGyarados posted... He can make it legal to import drugs from canada day 1, which will be a massive first step in reducing cost! He can also legalize weed federally. Trump is already considering this because the courts are slowing down all his drug price maneuvers. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934701906] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>He can make it legal to import drugs from canada day 1, which will be a massive first step in reducing cost! He can also legalize weed federally.</quote>Trump is already considering this because the courts are slowing down all his drug price maneuvers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:35:44 PM #234:	Corrik7 posted... Trump is already considering this because the courts are slowing down all his drug price maneuvers. Funny, he's has 3 1/2 years to consider :O --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934701919] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Trump is already considering this because the courts are slowing down all his drug price maneuvers.</quote> Funny, he's has 3 1/2 years to consider :O </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/21/20 6:35:55 PM #235:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Corrik just stop lmao. It is a literal fact. Is Trump a moderate? Did Trump spend more than Hillary? What is your beef??? These are undeniable facts. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934701928] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Corrik just stop lmao.</quote>It is a literal fact. Is Trump a moderate? Did Trump spend more than Hillary? What is your beef??? These are undeniable facts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/21/20 6:36:30 PM #236:	Corrik7 posted... Trump already did the you don't need big money to win. Trump had big money though...? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:934701949] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Trump already did the you don't need big money to win.</quote> Trump had big money though...? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/21/20 6:36:32 PM #237:	Corrik7 posted... Trump already did the you don't need big money to win. Trump alrdy did the don't need to be a moderate to win the Midwest. Like, what? Polls showed that Trump was perceived as being more moderate than Hillary during the 2016 election. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:934701951] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Trump already did the you don't need big money to win. Trump alrdy did the don't need to be a moderate to win the Midwest. Like, what?</quote>Polls showed that Trump was perceived as being more moderate than Hillary during the 2016 election. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:36:40 PM #238:	Okay maybe I didn't clarify but it is DEMOCRATIC PARTY dogma that "omg you cant be progressive and win the midwest" and also trump IS the big money interest. but also true that clinton wasted her money being dumb --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934701954] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Okay maybe I didn't clarify but it is DEMOCRATIC PARTY dogma that "omg you cant be progressive and win the midwest" and also trump IS the big money interest. but also true that clinton wasted her money being dumb </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/21/20 6:37:35 PM #239:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Funny, he's has 3 1/2 years to consider :O Does it bother you, Chris? https://www.wsj.com/articles/stalled-initiatives-to-cut-drug-prices-frustrate-trump-11582286404 --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934701983] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Funny, he's has 3 1/2 years to consider :O</quote>Does it bother you, Chris? https://www.wsj.com/articles/stalled-initiatives-to-cut-drug-prices-frustrate-trump-11582286404 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/21/20 6:38:03 PM #240:	oh ffs Say what you will about Clinton but she was running on the most progressive platform of any democratic nominee before her. She had already been running on Obama's left on a few things in 2008 and her 2016 platform was left of anything the Democratic Party had gone with before. Was it as progressive as Sanders? Obviously not. As progressive as I would have wanted? No. I voted for Sanders in the 2016 primary. But let's not revise history here. She should be held to account for failing to campaign in the critical tipping point states in favor of blowout states, for making some right-if-you-took-it-in-context-but-awful-in-soundbite-form comments like the "we're gonna put a lot of coal miners out of work," and other missteps she and her campaign made. But we're still also talking about a campaign that won nearly 3 million votes than her opponent and more than any other candidate in history not named Barack Obama (and in fact ran nearly even with Obama's 2012 total.) She made her mistakes but she also faced some shit luck and a disinformation campaign the likes the country had never seen before. And Comey's fucking letter. All of this is simultaneously true. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:934701999] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>oh ffs Say what you will about Clinton but she was running on the most progressive platform of any democratic nominee before her. She had already been running on Obama's left on a few things in 2008 and her 2016 platform was left of anything the Democratic Party had gone with before. Was it as progressive as Sanders? Obviously not. As progressive as I would have wanted? No. I voted for Sanders in the 2016 primary. But let's not revise history here. She should be held to account for failing to campaign in the critical tipping point states in favor of blowout states, for making some right-if-you-took-it-in-context-but-awful-in-soundbite-form comments like the "we're gonna put a lot of coal miners out of work," and other missteps she and her campaign made. But we're still also talking about a campaign that won nearly 3 million votes than her opponent and more than any other candidate in history not named Barack Obama (and in fact ran nearly even with Obama's 2012 total.) She made her mistakes but she also faced some shit luck and a disinformation campaign the likes the country had never seen before. And Comey's fucking letter. All of this is simultaneously true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/21/20 6:38:15 PM #241:	LordoftheMorons posted... Studies have shown that Trump was perceived as being more moderate than Hillary during the 2016 election. Democrats have determined that is a lie. White nationalist racist xenophobic alt right piece of shit! --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934702004] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Studies have shown that Trump was perceived as being more moderate than Hillary during the 2016 election.</quote>Democrats have determined that is a lie. White nationalist racist xenophobic alt right piece of shit! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:38:18 PM #242:	Paywall But also I hope he signs that tomorrow! It could save a lot of lives. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934702005] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Paywall But also I hope he signs that tomorrow! It could save a lot of lives. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/21/20 6:39:32 PM #243:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Okay maybe I didn't clarify but it is DEMOCRATIC PARTY dogma that "omg you cant be progressive and win the midwest" and also trump IS the big money interest. but also true that clinton wasted her money being dumb Okay. So for Democrats. That is correct then. So he can do for the Dems what Trump did for the GOP. Fair enough. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934702047] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Okay maybe I didn't clarify but it is DEMOCRATIC PARTY dogma that "omg you cant be progressive and win the midwest" and also trump IS the big money interest. but also true that clinton wasted her money being dumb</quote>Okay. So for Democrats. That is correct then. So he can do for the Dems what Trump did for the GOP. Fair enough. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/21/20 6:40:27 PM #244:	Corrik7 posted... Democrats have determined that is a lie. White nationalist racist xenophobic alt right piece of shit! https://www.people-press.org/2016/07/14/ voters-perceptions-of-the-candidates-traits-ideology-and-impact-on-issues/ (remove space) Under "Perceptions of the candidates' ideologies" It's probably not true anymore, but it absolutely was during the 2016 election. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:934702086] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Democrats have determined that is a lie. White nationalist racist xenophobic alt right piece of shit!</quote>https://www.people-press.org/2016/07/14/ voters-perceptions-of-the-candidates-traits-ideology-and-impact-on-issues/ (remove space) Under "Perceptions of the candidates' ideologies" It's probably not true anymore, but it absolutely was during the 2016 election. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/21/20 6:42:07 PM #245:	LordoftheMorons posted... https://www.people-press.org/2016/07/14/ voters-perceptions-of-the-candidates-traits-ideology-and-impact-on-issues/ (remove space) Under "Perceptions of the candidates' ideologies" It's probably not true anymore, but it absolutely was during the 2016 election. Put a blank line between your quote and the link and that link wouldn't be too long. How's that for some knowledge. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:934702153] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.people-press.org/2016/07/14/ voters-perceptions-of-the-candidates-traits-ideology-and-impact-on-issues/ (remove space) Under "Perceptions of the candidates' ideologies" It's probably not true anymore, but it absolutely was during the 2016 election.</quote>Put a blank line between your quote and the link and that link wouldn't be too long. How's that for some knowledge. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/21/20 6:43:33 PM #246:	So what I'm getting from this discussion is that the Democrats richly deserve a Trump reelection. And it shall be their fate until the day when they learn their error and stop attacking the American People. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:934702208] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>So what I'm getting from this discussion is that the Democrats richly deserve a Trump reelection. And it shall be their fate until the day when they learn their error and stop attacking the American People. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/21/20 6:43:48 PM #247:	There was 100% a "Oh Trump is just putting on an act for the campaign. If he wins he'll chill and act more restrained/serious." narrative going on in 2016. Which was the stupidest fucking thing to anyone with any sense and why we were all screaming that how he was acting was consistent with everything in his past and people don't just fucking change their ways in their 70s like that but it was absolutely a thought that many "independents" (read: embarrassed republicans/republican-leaners) were trying to fly. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:934702218] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>There was 100% a "Oh Trump is just putting on an act for the campaign. If he wins he'll chill and act more restrained/serious." narrative going on in 2016. Which was the stupidest fucking thing to anyone with any sense and why we were all screaming that how he was acting was consistent with everything in his past and people don't just fucking change their ways in their 70s like that but it was absolutely a thought that many "independents" (read: embarrassed republicans/republican-leaners) were trying to fly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/21/20 6:45:20 PM #248:	red sox 777 posted... So what I'm getting from this discussion is that the Democrats richly deserve a Trump reelection. And it shall be their fate until the day when they learn their error and stop attacking the American People. Luckily the independents will save us and get Bernie into the white house. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:934702262] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>So what I'm getting from this discussion is that the Democrats richly deserve a Trump reelection. And it shall be their fate until the day when they learn their error and stop attacking the American People.</quote> Luckily the independents will save us and get Bernie into the white house. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/21/20 6:45:44 PM #249:	xp1337 posted... She made her mistakes but she also faced some shit luck and a disinformation campaign the likes the country had never seen before. You know, when most 'disinformation campaign' they're going to think of Russian trolls ect. I think of mainstream American media, which totally fucked her six ways to Sunday for the sake of ratings. Heck, let me google 'Bernie Sanders' and see what comes up first: https://i.imgur.com/OMTvcjM.png Hmmm I wonder if they're trying to report new or start shit for clicks? You know what personal random example of media screwing over Hillary that literally no one else cares about? South Park. A LOT of young people get their political opinions primarily from South Park. I'm confident that if South Park hadn't run an entire season dedicated to making fun of left-leaning views, Hillary wins the election. But they did, because they assumed that Hillary would win so it didn't matter. Speaking of 'assumed Hillary would win so it doesn't matter'... And Comey's fucking letter. Never forget this. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934702274] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>She made her mistakes but she also faced some shit luck and a disinformation campaign the likes the country had never seen before.</quote>You know, when most 'disinformation campaign' they're going to think of Russian trolls ect. I think of mainstream American media, which totally fucked her six ways to Sunday for the sake of ratings. Heck, let me google 'Bernie Sanders' and see what comes up first: https://i.imgur.com/OMTvcjM.png Hmmm I wonder if they're trying to report new or start shit for clicks? You know what personal random example of media screwing over Hillary that literally no one else cares about? South Park. A LOT of young people get their political opinions primarily from South Park. I'm confident that if South Park hadn't run an entire season dedicated to making fun of left-leaning views, Hillary wins the election. But they did, because they assumed that Hillary would win so it didn't matter. Speaking of 'assumed Hillary would win so it doesn't matter'... <quote>And Comey's fucking letter.</quote>Never forget this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/21/20 6:47:33 PM #250:	xp1337 posted... There was 100% a "Oh Trump is just putting on an act for the campaign. If we wins he'll chill and act more restrained/serious." narrative going on in 2016. Which was the stupidest fucking thing to anyone with any sense and why we were all screaming that how he was acting was consistent with everything in his past and people don't just fucking change their ways in their 70s like that but it was absolutely a thought that many "independents" (read: embarrassed republicans/republican-leaners) were trying to fly. There were multiple posters whose names I won't mention ~~Lopen~~ who frequented this topic during the 2016 election and kept telling Hillary supporters that they were being ridiculous and to stop freaking out because there's no way Trump would be that bad if he won. lol --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:934702330] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>There was 100% a "Oh Trump is just putting on an act for the campaign. If we wins he'll chill and act more restrained/serious." narrative going on in 2016. Which was the stupidest fucking thing to anyone with any sense and why we were all screaming that how he was acting was consistent with everything in his past and people don't just fucking change their ways in their 70s like that but it was absolutely a thought that many "independents" (read: embarrassed republicans/republican-leaners) were trying to fly.</quote>There were multiple posters whose names I won't mention Lopen who frequented this topic during the 2016 election and kept telling Hillary supporters that they were being ridiculous and to stop freaking out because there's no way Trump would be that bad if he won. lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/21/20 6:48:50 PM #251:	KamikazePotato posted... You know, when most 'disinformation campaign' they're going to think of Russian trolls ect. I think of mainstream American media, which totally fucked her six ways to Sunday for the sake of ratings. Heck, let me google 'Bernie Sanders' and see what comes up first: https://i.imgur.com/OMTvcjM.png Hmmm I wonder if they're trying to report new or start shit for clicks? You know what personal random example of media screwing over Hillary that literally no one else cares about? South Park. A LOT of young people get their political opinions primarily from South Park. I'm confident that if South Park hadn't run an entire season dedicated to making fun of left-leaning views, Hillary wins the election. But they did, because they assumed that Hillary would win so it didn't matter. Speaking of 'assumed Hillary would win so it doesn't matter'... Never forget this. Can't forget the media deciding that they needed to balance all of Trump's scandals put together with Hillary's fucking emails because god forbid someone baselessly accuse them of being biased for covering the scandals of the guy with a thousand of them just a little bit more. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:934702388] in Politics C... [t:78420451]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>You know, when most 'disinformation campaign' they're going to think of Russian trolls ect. I think of mainstream American media, which totally fucked her six ways to Sunday for the sake of ratings. Heck, let me google 'Bernie Sanders' and see what comes up first: https://i.imgur.com/OMTvcjM.png Hmmm I wonder if they're trying to report new or start shit for clicks? You know what personal random example of media screwing over Hillary that literally no one else cares about? South Park. A LOT of young people get their political opinions primarily from South Park. I'm confident that if South Park hadn't run an entire season dedicated to making fun of left-leaning views, Hillary wins the election. But they did, because they assumed that Hillary would win so it didn't matter. Speaking of 'assumed Hillary would win so it doesn't matter'... Never forget this.</quote>Can't forget the media deciding that they needed to balance all of Trump's scandals put together with Hillary's fucking emails because god forbid someone baselessly accuse them of being biased for covering the scandals of the guy with a thousand of them just a little bit more. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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