Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 271: Two Turds With One Stone

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Bloomberg stinks
Pete stinks
Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months
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Thanks I hate it

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i'm glad i refreshed before i posted the one i was making. i went with "Politics For All Who Want It" in case you ever are low on good ideas~

reposting my last post from the previous one:

To rephrase it's just asking if you would support the plurality vote winner no matter who it is, even if the tides change and it ends up being Biden or Bloomberg. I wouldn't!

late response to @HeroDelTiempo17

to be clear i'm understanding correctly, you would not support biden or bloomberg if they got plurality? would you just not vote? or what?

at the end of the day i'm voting for whoever the democratic nominee is. if joe or mike gets plurality somehow, so be it. bloomberg would really make it tough but it'd have to be done.

thankfully, there's no chance of biden getting a plurality and after last night, probably no chance for bloomberg either.

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As far as what the delegates should actually do goes, I think it depends pretty heavily on what the numbers are. If someone has 47% of the delegates and the next person has 25% you're almost certainly shooting yourself in the face by not going with the plurality winner. If you have candidates with 30%, 28%, 20%, etc the conversation should probably be had.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Thanks I hate it

These topics are going way too quickly
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it's pretty clear at this point that there is only one candidate that actually has a path to winning the magic number of delegates. everyone knows it. the candidates all admitted it last night in that last question.

they're all hanging around because they think they can win in the second ballot.

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late response to @HeroDelTiempo17

to be clear i'm understanding correctly, you would not support biden or bloomberg if they got plurality? would you just not vote? or what?

at the end of the day i'm voting for whoever the democratic nominee is. if joe or mike gets plurality somehow, so be it. bloomberg would really make it tough but it'd have to be do

To carry over this response, nah I am most likely voting for the democratic nominee as well. I think I've even talked myself into Bloomberg if that happened, though he seriously needs to be stopped before it gets to that point. Even if I dont I'd vote for downballot candidates. I'm just saying if Biden wins a slight plurality and is declared the decisive victor of the primary I would still have doubts he is the most "democratic" nominee. Though honestly I dont know if we CAN have a satisfying outcome for everyone at this point short of a decisive majority.

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Jakyl25 posted...

These topics are going way too quickly

Thanks I hate it

Also FWIW I agree with that post you made about Bernie, pxlated. He's one of our best politicians but he still is a politician and has to play the game.

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pxlated posted...

it's pretty clear at this point that there is only one candidate that actually has a path to winning the magic number of delegates. everyone knows it. the candidates all admitted it last night in that last question.

they're all hanging around because they think they can win in the second ballot.

I don't think this is true either. Literally only two small states have voted. One could imagine, for example, Biden getting a strong 2nd in NV and a convincing win in SC, leading to Klobuchar dropping out. Combined with a Bloomberg half-collapse, Biden would likely be viable in this scenario. The situation only inevitably leads to Sanders if the moderate logjam holds, and that's not a given.

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yeah i guess i need to sort of backtrack on what i've said a little bit and get a little more nuanced, because nothing is ever cut and dry.

for one thing - i haven't said i was against coalitions in a second ballot. i'm honestly not sure how i feel about that without voter preference data. but i'm more open to that certainly than superdelegates getting the decision.

if we hit a 25 - 24 - 23 or similar scenario, then yeah, some kind of conversation needs to be had. and that conversation needs to include the clear biases of the superdelegates.

i don't have a solution to this. i can't tell you what the fair thing to do here would be, or what i even would want to happen because every option seems kinda bad at this point.

we just have to motivate as much voter turnout as we can and hope we don't get to that point.

more than anything i'm just very frustrated by candidates that demonstrably have no path to victory in the primary *or* the general sticking around simply because there's a chance they can swing a win in the second ballot. it's really, really infuriating.

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You're assuming a lot with the notion that the Centrist Blob 100% overlaps with each other. Bernie will pick up voters that drop off of the other canditates.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

I don't think this is true either. Literally only two small states have voted. One could imagine, for example, Biden getting a strong 2nd in NV and a convincing win in SC, leading to Klobuchar dropping out. Combined with a Bloomberg half-collapse, Biden would likely be viable in this scenario. The situation only inevitably leads to Sanders if the moderate logjam holds, and that's not a given.

i'll admit that that's probably an overstatement, yeah. highly caffeinated and hyped up right now so i'm talking a little bigger than I should. But buttigieg and klobuchar have no business still being here, and warren probably doesn't either unless she commits to her progressive roots.

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KamikazePotato posted...

You're assuming a lot with the notion that the Centrist Blob 100% overlaps with each other. Bernie will pick up voters that drop off of the other canditates.

He will also pick up voters from them, but hes far from getting 50% of the vote now. Things would certainly get closer with a centrist consolidation.

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The blob hates each other too much.

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Oh yeah I watched a video of Yangs CNN commentary from last night. Pretty interesting!

One specific thing he confirmed that I remember seeing reported is that Bloomberg is specifically asking major Dem donors to sit the election out and donate to no one to starve his rivals for cash. It was also noted that hes starving other campaigns for workers at all levels by offering like 1.5-2x the salaries everybody else does.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Oh yeah I watched a video of Yangs CNN commentary from last night. Pretty interesting!

One specific thing he confirmed that I remember seeing reported is that Bloomberg is specifically asking major Dem donors to sit the election out and donate to no one to starve his rivals for cash. It was also noted that hes starving other campaigns for workers at all levels by offering like 1.5-2x the salaries everybody else does.

Yep. It's a problem. But it also means the majority of his team probably gives a shit less about him or actually working hard. Hence things like his awful responses to obvious questions.


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Also yang being a CNN commentator is really interesting to me and I'm curious what he'll be allowed to talk about. Theoretically it would be awesome to have someone with his ideals on mainstream news but I'm skeptical he will get much runway.

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Yangs an interesting guy. I think hes totally wrong about automation, but he seems like hed be cool to hang out with!

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I won't pretend that i am anywhere near qualified to comment on the risks of automation but yangs positions definitely are way out of the CNN wheelhouse, which is why I'm curious to see what he gets to do there. I'm guessing he will just get stuck to base-level election analysis and not get a platform for any kind of editorial or opinion stuff

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Btw something that has been on my mind lately:

I don't think Vermont's governor would replace Bernie with a Republican <_<

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Btw something that has been on my mind lately:

I don't think Vermont's governor would replace Bernie with a Republican <_<

Yeah this is an issue for both him and Warren (and probably precludes them being VP picks). I believe there would be special elections eventually, but losing one senator for on the order of a year when the president has the most latitude to push big things is potentially a big deal (even without getting into the possibility of being Scott Browned).

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Oh whoops I misread that

Why wouldnt he pick a Republican? Afaik hes pretty good in Republican adjusted terms so I dont think he would pick a nutjob, but I dont see the benefit to him for picking a Dem...!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Oh whoops I misread that

Why wouldnt he pick a Republican? Afaik hes pretty good in Republican adjusted terms so I dont think he would pick a nutjob, but I dont see the benefit to him for picking a Dem...!

He endorsed trump's opponent.

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Ive been thinking a little bit about possible endorsements if candidates drop out (not that I think any of them are super likely to drop out imminently, and then endorsing anyone is not a given). I think the most likely possibilities if they were to drop out are probably these?

Klobuchar: Biden or Warren
Pete: Biden or maybe Warren?
Warren: Sanders or maybe Klobuchar?
Biden: Pete or maybe Klobuchar?
Steyer: Bernie
Sanders and Mike: LOL not gonna happen
Gabbard: LOL who cares

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I dont see anyone endorsing Pete tbh

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

He endorsed trump's opponent.

Hmm interesting. Im still guessing hed want a GOP Senate if a Dem was President, though.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I dont see anyone endorsing Pete tbh

Well for Biden I think a big part of the reason hes still in it is that he doesnt see anyone else as an acceptable alternative, so none of them are really great fits...!

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https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/1230614962386718721?s=21

https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1230621562795155456?s=21

Nothing is surprising but everything is disgusting and it continues to be absolutely shameful that no Republicans (besides Mitt Romney) are willing to hold him accountable for anything regardless of what he does

Trump is once again literally undermining national security for his own personal political benefit.

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https://www.newsweek.com/72-democratic-voters-believe-bernie-sanders-would-beat-trump-2020-election-new-poll-shows-1488010

Of all the Democratic candidates, Sanders was the one who respondents said they believed had the best chance of defeating the incumbent.

That's what I like to s-

Billionaire businessman and former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg performed second-best in this question69 percent of respondents said they thought he could beat Trump in the general

-_-

Well...it was a pre-debate poll. (Also Biden was a close third)

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The fact Bernie is leading when this is seen as his weakness is very good.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/1230614962386718721?s=21

https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1230621562795155456?s=21

Nothing is surprising but everything is disgusting and it continues to be absolutely shameful that no Republicans (besides Mitt Romney) are willing to hold him accountable for anything regardless of what he does

Trump is once again literally undermining national security for his own personal political benefit.

We're too busy holding the Democrats accountable sorry.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Yeah this is an issue for both him and Warren (and probably precludes them being VP picks). I believe there would be special elections eventually, but losing one senator for on the order of a year when the president has the most latitude to push big things is potentially a big deal (even without getting into the possibility of being Scott Browned).

MA and VT both have Senate vacancies filled by a governor appointed followed by an accelerated special election. However, I suspect if it really came to it that MA at the very least would be willing to change its law to add the requirement that the appointment be a member of the party of the Senator who had held the seat. MA already changed its law to allow the governor to appoint a temporary replacement back in 2009 to fill Ted Kennedy's seat in the time before the special election so they've got a track record of being willing to change the rules there.

Both states have Democratic supermajorities in the state legislature so they could override vetoes if they had too.

It'd be pretty scummy looking (and I think there are serious constitutional issues with the political party requirement but it hasn't yet been overturned in states that have such a requirement already) but it is there.

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xp1337 posted...

MA and VT both have Senate vacancies filled by a governor appointed followed by an accelerated special election. However, I suspect if it really came to it that MA at the very least would be willing to change its law to add the requirement that the appointment be a member of the party of the Senator who had held the seat. MA already changed its law to allow the governor to appoint a temporary replacement back in 2009 to fill Ted Kennedy's seat in the time before the special election so they've got a track record of being willing to change the rules there.

My understanding is that the fact that MA Dems did this was a large contributing factor to the fact that Scott Brown ended up winning

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They might be willing to take the chance again!

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Lol at people branding me as a Bernie supporter IRL. *Shakes head*

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Corrik7 posted...

Lol at people branding me as a Bernie supporter IRL. *Shakes head*

Great! By November the alliance between Bernie supporters and the Republican Party will be just tremendous. Basically, it will contain people who love America.

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I saw on twitter that the Yang campaign store is having a huge "dropped out of the campaign" sale and I just needed to share this shirt

https://shop.yang2020.com/collections/legalize-marijuana/products/math-money-marijuana-t-shirt

This is some next level shit

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Corrik7 posted...

Lol at people branding me as a Bernie supporter IRL. *Shakes head*

I mean, you've expressed support of his policies before.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I saw on twitter that the Yang campaign store is having a huge "dropped out of the campaign" sale and I just needed to share this shirt

https://shop.yang2020.com/collections/legalize-marijuana/products/math-money-marijuana-t-shirt

This is some next level shit

Thats a dope shirt.

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Eh?

EH??

Sorry Ive been on Reddit too much lately.

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https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1230659045184483328?s=21

Kash Patel, as you may recall, was a former Nunes staffer who appears to have been coordinating with Lev on Nuness behalf (among other shit like baselessly suing media orgs for defamation like his old boss).

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https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/nevada-2020-sanders-with-comfortable-lead-heading-into-caucus-tight-race-for-second-place

Another Nevada poll with Sanders up big. This could snowball quickly if things break right.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/nevada-2020-sanders-with-comfortable-lead-heading-into-caucus-tight-race-for-second-place

Another Nevada poll with Sanders up big. This could snowball quickly if things break right.

Biden supporters being the most committed is very interesting! I guess the most likely explanation is that the shaky ones mostly already jumped ship?

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Latino Victory endorses Biden:

https://twitter.com/latinovictoryus/status/1230650013941825536?s=21

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Suprak the Stud posted...

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/nevada-2020-sanders-with-comfortable-lead-heading-into-caucus-tight-race-for-second-place

Another Nevada poll with Sanders up big. This could snowball quickly if things break right.

Sanders leads white voters, non-white voters, voters under 50 by 40%, and is only third in voters over 50?

Wow


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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Sanders leads white voters, non-white voters, voters under 50 by 40%, and is only third in voters over 50?

Wow

It's almost like he has all the momentum and enthusiasm!

It's a shame that in reality, klobuchar really has the momentum. She came in third in New Hampshire after all!!

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https://twitter.com/santucci/status/1230681676923232262?s=21

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Warren is very helpful.

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Well that's certainly a better way to do it than Avenatti recommended to Stormy. Guess that's why Warren is running for president and Avenatti is headed to prison.

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