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Winston to the Pats?
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No way in hell Bill signs that turnover machine

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Leonhart4 posted...

I think it's a disservice to Mahomes's skill set to try to diminish his accomplishments by saying he has amazing talent.

I certainly wasn't trying to diminish anything he's accomplished. I was just saying that the bar for someone who only plays a couple seasons to get into the HoF should be set really high, and the only way to lower it would be if he carried a unit of clearly less talented players.

That said, I think you guys are really underrating how good Hill is along with the rest of that offensive unit. They have speed everywhere, and their o-line was at least good in the passing game this year though they obviously benefit from the guys around them (Mahomes being mobile, and receivers being able to separate quickly).

Yes, Hill is good, but WRs in particular are dependent on having a good QB to make them good. Hill couldn't run some of the routes he does without Mahomes as his QB.

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MZero11 posted...

No way in hell Bill signs that turnover machine

Maybe he'll fix him
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can only follow up a historic qb with another historic qb

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How about this real world example for the hof discussion.

Kurt Warner.

Guy made the superbowl every year he played a full season but that only happened three times and he only won it once. When he was healthy he was one of if not the top qb in the league but again that was basically just three seasons and a couple partial ones.

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Maniac64 posted...

How about this real world example for the hof discussion.

Kurt Warner.

Guy made the superbowl every year he played a full season but that only happened three times and he only won it once. When he was healthy he was one of if not the top qb in the league but again that was basically just three seasons and a couple partial ones.

Wasnt Warner also the only QB other than Pyeton to reach a SB for more than one team? (As the starting QB obviously)
Peyton being the only one to win... so far

I'd put Kurt Warner in the Hall of Fame. Those Rams teams revolutionized the league.

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linid0t posted...

Wasnt Warner also the only QB other than Pyeton to reach a SB for more than one team? (As the starting QB obviously)
Peyton being the only one to win... so far

Craig Morton was the 1st to do it (Warner and Peyton are #2 and #3 respectively).

Morton started for the Cowboys vs Baltimore Colts in Super Bowl V (1970) and for the Broncos vs Cowboys in Super Bowl XII (1977). He lost both games though. Peyton Manning is indeed the only QB to win the Super Bowl as the starting QB for different teams.

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Kurt Warner should be in the Hall of Fame, yes. MVP + Superbowl MVP is pretty good.

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Eli is a "no" but if you wanna put him in for the two rings, I won't argue. Then again, the rings should be their own reward. He killed those Giants teams for the better part of a decade but he also killed the Pats teams for a handful of years, so >_>

Warner is a bit more interesting. 3 amazing years, 2 good ones, but not a ton more I think. In the NFL that's sorta good enough, though! I think there are slightly better players not making the cut recently but I like Warner for the HOF.

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I honestly can't tell who in this discussion is and isn't aware that Kurt Warner was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame a couple of years ago.
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I think the question is more of "Did he deserve it or not"
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KCF0107 posted...

I honestly can't tell who in this discussion is and isn't aware that Kurt Warner was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame a couple of years ago.

it's more of a debate as to whether he should have been voted in

Terrell Davis is a more interesting case of whether a short, really good career is Hall of Fame worthy

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KCF0107 posted...

I honestly can't tell who in this discussion is and isn't aware that Kurt Warner was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame a couple of years ago.

Hey the AFL is also a pro football league
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Jakyl25 posted...

Hey the AFL is also a pro football league

Can Flutie get in for his CFL work?

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Dragging the Cardinals to a Super Bowl appearance is enough to make the Hall of Fame imo

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What ever Im not watching the super bowl anyways

ertyu0078 posted...

What ever Im not watching the super bowl anyways

My ass

LeonhartFour posted...

it's more of a debate as to whether he should have been voted in

Terrell Davis is a more interesting case of whether a short, really good career is Hall of Fame worthy

I mean there's Gale Sayers who is basically considered a legend despite playing for a very limited amount of time

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Emeraldegg posted...

I think the question is more of "Did he deserve it or not"

That's what I intended yes. But I was surprised when he made it so quickly.

As a guy from Cedar Rapids Iowa who is a broncos fan I'm biased for both Warner and Davis so I'm often curious how others see it.

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What ever to the cheifs titans well be back in finals next year

I didn't think it was worth bumping the topic when it happened but since it's up now anyway...

let it be known that the first "alternative onside kick" (4th and 15 at your own 25) was a kirk cousins int

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In some cases that's better than an incomplete!
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KingButz posted...

In some cases that's better than an incomplete!

I know! And he threw it like 50 yards so it really would have been better but the return was about even with the LOS when they blew it dead for some reason despite the ball carrier never being down (they were lateralling it around but I don't think there was a clear forward pass and figured they blew it dead because it's the Pro Bowl but maybe I missed a forward pass in there somewhere).

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The Chargers have moved on from Rivers.

It's happening boys.
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Well, I think Rivers moved on from them first, quite literally. There was no way he was coming back after the news broke that he moved to Florida.

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Since we've been talking HOF and Eli...Rivers is going to make it in too, isn't he?

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Rivers has had a better career than Eli by the numbers. He just hasn't had much playoff success.

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All of the remaining 2004 class should retire with Eli.

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LeonhartFour posted...

Rivers has had a better career than Eli by the numbers. He just hasn't had much playoff success.

It's funny, outside of those two Super Bowl runs, Eli never won a playoff game

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MZero11 posted...

It's funny, outside of those two Super Bowl runs, Eli never won a playoff game

Technically ya but the playoff road to get to those 2 SB wins was also crazy. Wasnt like he ever sat on a 1 seed and coasted on the back of the leagues best kicker to a few rings

MZero11 posted...

It's funny, outside of those two Super Bowl runs, Eli never won a playoff game

It's funny that Rivers had extremely talented teams early in his career and only made the conference championship once. Generally speaking, the Chargers have had more talented teams than the Giants over the course of their careers and Rivers didn't have one run like Eli's, much less two.

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Rivers' playoff incompetence is directly proportional to his number of offspring.

Have to compensate somehow!

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linid0t posted...

Technically ya but the playoff road to get to those 2 SB wins was also crazy. Wasnt like he ever sat on a 1 seed and coasted on the back of the leagues best kicker to a few rings

Remind me how the Giants won those NFC championship games

and yes, those runs were great. I'm not denying that. I just think it's funny that Eli basically gets a pass forever because the Giants went on two crazy playoff runs

LeonhartFour posted...

It's funny that Rivers had extremely talented teams early in his career and only made the conference championship once. Generally speaking, the Chargers have had more talented teams than the Giants over the course of their careers and Rivers didn't have one run like Eli's, much less two.

Sure but in that time Brady, Peyton, and Big Ben dominated the conference and that's pretty much everyone he lost to (except for that time they missed like 10 field goals and lost to the Sanchez Jets). Hell he even beat Peyton twice! Pretty much every other team that beat them appeared in or won the Super Bowl, other than the 2006 Patriots who blew an 18-point lead in the AFC championship and probably should have gotten there. Anyway, the point is they lost to really good teams.

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MZero11 posted...

I just think it's funny that Eli basically gets a pass forever because the Giants went on two crazy playoff runs

Well yeah, he won perhaps the most legendary game in our lifetimes by beating the undefeated Patriots.

And yes, the AFC had really good teams, but for Rivers's first ten years in the league, Brady didn't win a Super Bowl, Peyton won 1, and Roethlisberger won 2. It wasn't like those Chargers teams didn't have the talent to win it all. There was a reason they literally had a coach get fired after a 14-2 season.

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because the owners are incompetent?

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well beyond that I mean

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Boring week before the Superbowl, so let's look a list at some of the decade's best QBs and decide whether or not they'll be in the HOF:

• Brady: obviously
• Peyton Manning: obviously
• Brees: obviously
• Rogers: obviously
• Eli Manning: probably
• Big Ben: probably
• Wilson: probably (assuming a long career)
• Rivers: maybe
• Matt Ryan: maybe
• Cam Newton: probably not
• Romo: no (not as a player, at least)
• Stafford: no
• Foles: no
• Flacco: no
• Luck: no

Initial gut reactions, at least.

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Big Ben is a lock. Wilson is probably already a Hall of Famer, honestly.

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Matt Ryan is probably the most interesting one for me. If they didn't blow that SB, he's probably in. What a trajectory shift.

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I'd put Matt Ryan at probably not.

And yeah Big Ben is almost certainly in.

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Texans officially make Bill O'Brien the GM

I continue to marvel as to how he somehow repeatedly fails up

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https://twitter.com/TomBrady/status/1223027359256862720?s=20

He gone.

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Lol tweeting from an iPad

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davidponte posted...

https://twitter.com/TomBrady/status/1223027359256862720?s=20

He gone.

Retire pls

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Tom Brady's cryptic Thursday tweet of him standing in a darkened stadium tunnel is not related to his football future.


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He caught a quick snap of himself from the past trying to kill himself in the present

Some kind of Looper scenario
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Fitzmagic coming back for another year

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