Current Events > Why does the goverment not want poors to buy hot food with snap money

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ThrillKillFan posted...

Indeed. Food benefits should have to be spent in an actual grocery store buying food that will last at least a week versus grabbing a burrito from 7/11.

How does the government know that the food being bought at a grocery store is actually being used by those getting the benefits and not just being sold to somebody else? The ONLY way to be sure they're at least getting food to prepare and eat would be to straight up give them actual food versus cash benefits to go buy it. Even then though they might sell it.

Now that I hate. Forcing people to eat shit they don't even like is going too far the other way. And again, people with sensitive stomachs like me would just have to live in hell. If your solution is to take away all choice from everyone just cause of a few bad seeds, you can eat a dick.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Now that I hate. Forcing people to eat shit they don't even like is going too far the other way. And again, people with sensitive stomachs like me would just have to live in hell. If your solution is to take away all choice from everyone just cause of a few bad seeds, you can eat a dick.

I'm not saying just give them absolute shit. Obviously for any program like that they'd potentially have any food allergies or other sensitivities on file before just handing them something that may make them sick.

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Poor people should be punished for being poor. This is what most people believe.
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ThrillKillFan posted...

I'm not saying just give them absolute shit. Obviously for any program like that they'd potentially have any food allergies or other sensitivities on file before just handing them something that may make them sick.

I'd say let them have whatever is in a grocery store but dont really need a 5 dollar burger from mcdonalds.

Then again on the other hand I really dont give a rats was as long as its getting spent on food and not being traded for booze or drugs.

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Rika_Furude posted...

Poor people should be punished for being poor. This is what most people believe.

Nope. Just want to make sure that those getting the benefits are actually utilizing them and not selling them for cash like some do with the food they buy with SNAP. People don't "need" fast food or other prepared shit from a convenience store. They need good wholesome food that they prepare at home that will last them a while compared to the on the go bullshit.

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DemonBuffet posted...

DrunkieBrewster posted...

It's really nobody's fucking business how people spend their stamps. None of these people are even interested in the opinions of those that don't even know their situation, lol. And no, being a tax payer doesn't make it your business. It it were, you'd get a receipt/statement from the government every month about how and where they allocate funds generated by taxes.

FoH with this weird ass circlejerk

What entitles them to this right if the stamps are handouts to begin with? They didnt earn welfare by working for it. They earned it by being lucky enough to be born as an American. Most countries people need to work to put food on their table.

Re-read what you bolded along with that entire post, and apply it to your post.

America is great, and it can claim greatness by being able to do things for its people that many other countries do not/cannot. We even criticize these nations as "Shithole countries."

The government is also full of leeches and parasites, so the least they can do apply some of it towards its people.
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ledbowman posted...

Not in this case. Like who cares if you pop it in the 711 microwave real quick

Now figure out how to write that in to a law that will minimize exploitation....or just make it simple so you dont need a law degree to understand what you can and cant buy and aren't asking minimum to low wage workers expected to have a law degree to ensure they are selling acceptable foods.

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there's some sort of EBT classism going on or something, lmao. everybody on it gets a different amount but they should probably stretch it out as best as possible. STILL... that's their business.

there's a social stigma about people on government assistance, we know. and because of it, a "we're not like THOSE people" attitude eventually grew amongst recipients. to separate themselves from the "shameful" recipients and relieve some of that social stigma.

but end the end, government assistance is government assistance. once our money becomes the government's money, it's no longer your money lol. they can put it towards education, war, social programs, foreign aid and whatever else. that's why we will never get a statement for spending.

what those people do with their government aid is their business. but freedom of speech allows you to verbally express your mental state and feelings, regardless of how much sense it makes, so... have at it.
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Because they dont need it. They also dont need soda and candy. Snap should just be for basic things like rice, milk, vegetables and water. Not $50 steaks.

I actually agree with this. You can get a ton of shit with snap, theres nothing to complain about. You can buy chips, candy, chocolate, steak.. Anything with nutrition facts on it. I dont feel bad for people on snap at all, its a great program and it gets abused.

Keith_Valentine posted...

I actually agree with this. You can get a ton of shit with snap, theres nothing to complain about. You can buy chips, candy, chocolate, steak.. Anything with nutrition facts on it. I dont feel bad for people on snap at all, its a great program and it gets abused.

I actually knew a guy who was both smart with his food stamps but also abused them (selling them to buy beer) like he went to buy lunch meat but found a 3 pound boneless ham about thr same price so he bought that and sliced it himself. Stuff like that. In my personal opinion though they gave him way too much, I was living with him and qualified for stamps myself but didnt because he easily fed both himself and I off what he had and still had enough to sell to get himself beer.

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metallica846 posted...

I think everyone should get on SNAP if they qualify. Literally free money.

I try not to. Pride can be a bitch. With people in my life that have fed me out if their pocket i can at least say I did chores or something to somewhat work for it.

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Jesus would know. And he hated welfare.
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metallica846 posted...

Nobody would even know.

I would.

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MutantJohn posted...

I don't get why people regulate this shit

Because hot food carries more of a potential liability

There is a reason for everthing, even if it seems small

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_Rinku_ posted...

Yes, the poor should be treated like stupid children and not allowed any nice things at all. Do you realize how monstrous that sounds?

Key word is purchase

Purchase doesnt mean hand out for free

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mooreandrew58 posted...

I try not to. Pride can be a bitch. With people in my life that have fed me out if their pocket i can at least say I did chores or something to somewhat work for it.

Look at it this way, the government isn't going to give back anyone's taxes because you turned down help. But it will happily stuff that money into some bureaucrats pocket when they turn in their $25 for a single screw expense report. Or worse, use it as an excuse to say see people at this income don't need it so let's lower the threshold.

Don't let pride prevent you from accepting help. Yeah maybe you didn't do "work" to earn it, but that's not the point, the point is to try to help you get to the point you truly don't need, not just you have a fortunate support system to help you, and ultimately to get you to spend frivolously like a proper American. Putting the money you save back into the economy is the value.

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I Like Toast posted...

Look at it this way, the government isn't going to give back anyone's taxes because you turned down help. But it will happily stuff that money into some bureaucrats pocket when they turn in their $25 for a single screw expense report. Or worse, use it as an excuse to say see people at this income don't need it so let's lower the threshold.

Don't let pride prevent you from accepting help. Yeah maybe you didn't do "work" to earn it, but that's not the point, the point is to try to help you get to the point you truly don't need, not just you have a fortunate support system to help you, and ultimately to get you to spend frivolously like a proper American. Putting the money you save back into the economy is the value.

Eh no. Ive never liked taking hand outs. Plus that part of my life is behind me (for good hopefully) I get paid well enough now and i want to keep this job as I'll actually be able to retire by 60 thanks to the retirement plan they got.

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metallica846 posted...

You dont qualify then.

Not now. Once upon a time I did. As an adukt ive been jobless before also worked a few minimum wage jobs.

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People vastly misunderstand the way resources are distributed. Joe Schmo spending his stamps on McDonalds every once in a while would not have an affect on your personal paycheck.

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it's just classism. classism from people who want to feel like they're better than others for arbitrary reasons and shaming people for things that's actually COMMON amongst Americans.

you're struggling and your kids REALLY need it, but you were taught that it was weak and shameful to ask for "handouts" from a government that TAKES. and since they've built a toxic image of what it means to be a "man," they'd rather let their family struggle just to say "hah, I never asked for help! my daddy struggled, his daddy struggled and his daddy struggled! but we turned out alright!"

in middle school I was the type of asshole that would make fun of kids getting the free lunch program, but for many kids, they didn't get to eat at all that day unless they went to school. being poor was always seen as a joke and even other poor kids would rag on those seen as MORE poor than they.

we get indoctrinated into bullshit ideologies and demonize each other, but at some point we need to separate ourselves from the nonsense we were taught so we can stop adding to it.
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ThrillKillFan posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Poor people should be punished for being poor. This is what most people believe.

Nope. Just want to make sure that those getting the benefits are actually utilizing them and not selling them for cash like some do with the food they buy with SNAP. People don't "need" fast food or other prepared shit from a convenience store. They need good wholesome food that they prepare at home that will last them a while compared to the on the go bullshit.

Whats the problem if once every 6 months someone buys lunch from mcdonalds? There is no problem.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Poor people should be punished for being poor. This is what most people believe.

No, they just shouldn't be rewarded for it.

People who are poor are perfectly capable of bettering their own situation. I'm fine with temporary aid that provides them with the basics so that they don't starve. What I will never support is letting them feast like kings at the taxpayers' expense.

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DifferentialEquation posted...

People who are poor are perfectly capable of bettering their own situation

That's a common view which may not be true for all poor people and maybe not even most
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konokonohamaru posted...

That's a common view which may not be true for all poor people and maybe not even most

In this context, I'm talking about people who have no physical or cognitive impairments which make them unable to work.

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DifferentialEquation posted...

No, they just shouldn't be rewarded for it.

People who are poor are perfectly capable of bettering their own situation. I'm fine with temporary aid that provides them with the basics so that they don't starve. What I will never support is letting them feast like kings at the taxpayers' expense.

its the same amount of money coming from the general fund whether they spend it on oats or lobster

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DifferentialEquation posted...

In this context, I'm talking about people who have no physical or cognitive impairments which make them unable to work.

luckily most snap households are composed of working adults, children, and the elderly

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DifferentialEquation posted...

In this context, I'm talking about people who have no physical or cognitive impairments which make them unable to work.

Sometimes it's coz they're caring for someone who does have an impairment and need to work just to get by, so they don't have the time to really invest in improving their own skills
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Balrog0 posted...

its the same amount of money coming from the general fund whether they spend it on oats or lobster

the cruelty is the point

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It's just pretty lame that the propaganda worked so well. Enough to where many average people are complacent or supportive of the cruelty.

The rhetoric doesn't match the reality, so it's more of an emotional and psychological thing.
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Sackgurl posted...

the cruelty is the point

The fact that the people whose taxes paid for these programs and who may make barely too much to qualify for them themselves while still struggling yet see people on them buying luxury items like lobster versus staples like potatoes and beef is galling.

Not saying they don't deserve to live once in a while, but only if they're paying for the luxury foods out of their pockets. Otherwise the benefits should be limited to foods that will sustain them long term versus grabbing something on the go from a convenience store or otherwise splurging.

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Muh taxes

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#234 posted an argument addressed many times ITT already. That's why it isn't worth anybody's time trying to prove anything to these people. They want to engage but can't be bothered to even read.
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DrunkieBrewster posted...

#234 posted an argument addressed many times ITT already. That's why it isn't worth anybody's time trying to prove anything to these people. They want to engage but can't be bothered to even read.

I skimmed the thread and the majority of the replies to people like me who feel that SNAP/EBT should be restricted to only food that can be prepared at home from scratch amounted to 'you hate poor people'.


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What kills me is I had friend that i already mentioned in this topic and he damn near got in trouble over using his food stamps in a different state. Only thing that saved his ass was he actually got robbed while he was there and had the police report to prove it so he was able to sayhe had no choice as all his cash had been stolen.

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ThrillKillFan posted...

I skimmed the thread and the majority of the replies to people like me who feel that SNAP/EBT should be restricted to only food that can be prepared at home from scratch amounted to 'you hate poor people'.

So what do you think abot places that do community meals?

Evil hives of villainy that should be abolished?

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Shablagoo posted...

So what do you think abot places that do community meals?

Evil hives of villainy that should be abolished?

More power to them.

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I'm not on snap but if I was I would jus t microwave it. --_--

The point, as has been made by countless others here, is cruelty.

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_Matchabuu_ posted...

The point, as has been made by countless others here, is cruelty.

Is it really though? Id assume motivation to get off the system. But i guess cruelty can be a motivator.

But it is lol worthy that people think wanting people to have prepare/cook their own food is cruel.

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How did this topic get to 250~ posts lmfao

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Why does "motivation" always come in the form of cruelty or some new hoop to jump through in America? And why are people always acting like others have to prove to not be a stereotype? Again, people who can't mind their business keep trying to promote themselves to gatekeeper in somebody else's lives.
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DrunkieBrewster posted...

Why does "motivation" always come in the form of cruelty or some new hoop to jump through in America? And why are people always acting like others have to prove to not be a stereotype? Again, people who can't mind their business keep trying to promote themselves to gatekeeper in somebody else's lives.

I don't see the cruelty in having to cook your own food. Let me state for the record again though I dont really give a rats ass if they can buy fast food with stamps or not. Im just saying.

But where would any motivtion to do better come from if all the better stuff (if you actually call it better, give me a home cooked meal anyday) out freely?

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mooreandrew58 posted...

DrunkieBrewster posted...

Why does "motivation" always come in the form of cruelty or some new hoop to jump through in America? And why are people always acting like others have to prove to not be a stereotype? Again, people who can't mind their business keep trying to promote themselves to gatekeeper in somebody else's lives.

I don't see the cruelty in having to cook your own food. Let me state for the record again though I dont really give a rats ass if they can buy fast food with stamps or not. Im just saying.

But where would any motivtion to do better come from if all the better stuff (if you actually call it better, give me a home cooked meal anyday) out freely?

Since you personalized it...

Do you find it acceptable to create a new policy that effects everybody under the program just to "motivate" the smaller demographic within the larger demographic?

It's naive to imply that there can be a system in place to stop those who would abuse. Can you name ANYTHING government related that hasn't been abused? Even the government abuses the government. You can't combat human nature like this without hurting more people than you're helping.

But if you have a good idea that wouldn't create collateral damage or unnecessary inconvenience to people, I'm open to hearing it. Maybe I haven't looked at enough angles.
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DrunkieBrewster posted...

Since you personalized it...

Do you find it acceptable to create a new policy that effects everybody under the program just to "motivate" the smaller demographic within the larger demographic?

It's naive to imply that there can be a system in place to stop those who would abuse. Can you name ANYTHING government related that hasn't been abused? Even the government abuses the government. You can't combat human nature like this without hurting more people than you're helping.

But if you have a good idea that wouldn't create collateral damage or unnecessary inconvenience to people, I'm open to hearing it. Maybe I haven't looked at enough angles.

It is okay if rich people abuse the system. It's the poor people abusing it that is the issue and making taxpayers suffer, not the companies not paying billions in tax. The small guy who maybe gets a grand more a year is what takes the mickey.

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Funkydog posted...

It is okay if rich people abuse the system. It's the poor people abusing it that is the issue and making taxpayers suffer, not the companies not paying billions in tax. The small guy who maybe gets a grand more a year is what takes the mickey.

Also definitely not the fault of Monsanto et al telling farmers to not grow crops or to throw away crops to drive up prices.

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So use the stores microwave after you pay for it

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the last time Roseanne made sense to me is when she dubbed Monsanto as "MonSatan." I loved it!

then Ambien made her looney.
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