Current Events > Why does the goverment not want poors to buy hot food with snap money

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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

when she dubbed Monsanto as "MonSatan."

haha, nice

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Remember when that Monsanto guy said he would drink insecticide and immediately backpedaled when they poured him a glass

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Ready to eat food is more expensive

They're essentially trying to parent them into being more responsible with their resources, since y'know they dont have many. But as you can see, it's a pretty simple workaround for the supermarket.

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DrunkieBrewster posted...

Since you personalized it...

Do you find it acceptable to create a new policy that effects everybody under the program just to "motivate" the smaller demographic within the larger demographic?

It's naive to imply that there can be a system in place to stop those who would abuse. Can you name ANYTHING government related that hasn't been abused? Even the government abuses the government. You can't combat human nature like this without hurting more people than you're helping.

But if you have a good idea that wouldn't create collateral damage or unnecessary inconvenience to people, I'm open to hearing it. Maybe I haven't looked at enough angles.

Ive already said I dont really care. As long as they are getting fed. Bugs me when people who don't need it get it and it bugs me when people become content with living like that but what can i do to stop them?

Honestly if money wasnt a issue the way id want welfare (not food stamps but close enough) to be where they make you take a aptitude test and based on what kinda work they think you can do they try to find something for you to do even ifs just cleaning litter off the streets. And i say if money isnt a issue because im aware some of these people dont have cars so someone would need to pick them up

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ledbowman posted...

Like in this specific example why would it matter

The rules exist, in general, because if prepared food qualified, much less money would make its way to the corporations.

I presume your picture/example is like gas station food or something. I mean, gas stations are kind one foot in, one foot out on other things as well, like alcohol sales. Convenience stores can be weird.

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ledbowman posted...

Remember when that Monsanto guy said he would drink insecticide and immediately backpedaled when they poured him a glass

Yup lol, if these cartoon villains werent so cartoonish theyd have the sense to stop doing interviews.

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Balrog0 posted...

you might as well just give them cash instead of a food voucher

Nah. They did that for Katrina victims and they spent a ton on porn.

Like, I agree that there should be very little oversight but there's gotta be some limits. I don't think hot food is one of them. I'd argue even restaurants should be okay. You can eat pretty God damn well at McDonald's for $5. As written I can use SNAP on a swordfish steak that will be more expensive and less filling than 5 hamburgers or McChicken.

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What if inseatd of handing out snap benefits, the government handed out MREs designed to fit daily nutritional intake. Every month they award each person covered a set amount of MREs and water bottles.

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Middle hope posted...

What if inseatd of handing out snap benefits, the government handed out MREs designed to fit daily nutritional intake. Every month they award each person covered a set amount of MREs and water bottles.

Or nutraloaf. Its a completely balanced meal nutritionally. They give it to inmates in segregation that keep being a problem in seg. I laugh cause they say its not a punishment but a means of modyifing behavior which as far as im aware is exactly what a punishment is for

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Nah. They did that for Katrina victims and they spent a ton on porn.

Like, I agree that there should be very little oversight but there's gotta be some limits. I don't think hot food is one of them. I'd argue even restaurants should be okay. You can eat pretty God damn well at McDonald's for $5. As written I can use SNAP on a swordfish steak that will be more expensive and less filling than 5 hamburgers or McChicken.

but some of that money would go to franchisees and wait staff. They want all of it going to the corporations.

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Shablagoo posted...

ledbowman posted...

Remember when that Monsanto guy said he would drink insecticide and immediately backpedaled when they poured him a glass

Yup lol, if these cartoon villains werent so cartoonish theyd have the sense to stop doing interviews.

it was so bad that I thought it was scripted originally
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They want people to eat off the ground.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

Or nutraloaf. Its a completely balanced meal nutritionally. They give it to inmates in segregation that keep being a problem in seg. I laugh cause they say its not a punishment but a means of modyifing behavior which as far as im aware is exactly what a punishment is for

So we should treat poor people like inmates that are being punished is what youre saying? Jeez, you guys arent even tryna hide it anymore lol.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Nah. They did that for Katrina victims and they spent a ton on porn.

Like, I agree that there should be very little oversight but there's gotta be some limits. I don't think hot food is one of them. I'd argue even restaurants should be okay. You can eat pretty God damn well at McDonald's for $5. As written I can use SNAP on a swordfish steak that will be more expensive and less filling than 5 hamburgers or McChicken.

Lmao youve got to be kidding me. I mean if I were given cash like that Id spend it on frivolous stuff too but porn is like the biggest waste of money ever. Ive never spent money on porn in my life.

But anyway, there are arguments for why handing out cash would be/is good for the economy. I mean even in this instance the porn companies are making money, are they not? Regardless, I was just recently watching a video about this. Lemme see if I can dig it up.

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I wonder how many of the people trying to police how other people use their food stamps spent school grant money on anime and video games? lol
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Shablagoo posted...

So we should treat poor people like inmates that are being punished is what youre saying? Jeez, you guys arent even tryna hide it anymore lol

Was meant as a joke. I think its fucked up for inmates too. Punishing them is one thing but not with food. Maybe I say that though cause im a picky eater and know id be miserable.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

Was meant as a joke. I think its fucked up for inmates too. Punishing them is one thing but not with food. Maybe I say that though cause im a picky eater and know id be miserable.

Ah ok gotcha lol.

Im not even opposed to the idea of having some center where those of us on food stamps could go to get all their groceries for the month in one go, but thered have to be considerations. My concern specifically with the MREs that were mentioned is digestion.

But there was also someone ITT arguing for some dystopian nutrient bars like in the movie Snowpiercer lol.

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Shablagoo posted...

Im not even opposed to the idea of having some center where those of us on food stamps could go to get all their groceries for the month in one go, but thered have to be considerations.

The idea of directly distributing commodities brings us right back to why if we have to have SNAP (etc), it should be no-strings cash - because it can be converted into such anyway.

Give a guy a $5 block of government cheese, and he can sell it for $2.50 and starve anyway. The only real beneficiary is the dude who got sketchy half-price groceries, and maybe also a liquor store or something.
Give the guy $5, and maybe he'll have some left over after going to the liquor store. If he still manages to starve anyway, that's on him - we already did our part, and heavy-handed paternalism about it all only makes us feel better with no real benefit to whoever we're supposedly helping.

Questionmarktarius posted...

heavy-handed paternalism about it all only makes us feel better with no real benefit to whoever we're supposedly helping.

like i said, the cruelty is the point

specifically, to feel better than other people

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It all boils down to the same thing in the end. That's why it's easy to identify the root cause of these feelings regardless of the mental gymnastics.

There's an inherent desire to control other people that needs to be put in check.

We even have laws in America that punishes people for feeding the homeless. Remember the story about that 90 year old man they arrested?

People need to be more aware of their personal effects on society.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Is it really though? Id assume motivation to get off the system. But i guess cruelty can be a motivator.

But it is lol worthy that people think wanting people to have prepare/cook their own food is cruel.

Prepare/cook it where exactly? It's already been pointed out that even a simple microwave is often out of the question for homeless people, and they're sure as hell not going to have access to a fully stocked kitchen either.

I'm lucky I can get a premade ham sandwich most days, and the "warmest" food I've gotten in 4 months was 2-day old pizza from Little Cesar's.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

The idea of directly distributing commodities brings us right back to why if we have to have SNAP (etc), it should be no-strings cash - because it can be converted into such anyway.

Give a guy a $5 block of government cheese, and he can sell it for $2.50 and starve anyway. The only real beneficiary is the dude who got sketchy half-price groceries, and maybe also a liquor store or something.
Give the guy $5, and maybe he'll have some left over after going to the liquor store. If he still manages to starve anyway, that's on him - we already did our part, and heavy-handed paternalism about it all only makes us feel better with no real benefit to whoever we're supposedly helping.

True, Id agree its likely better to just give cash instead of stamps. In the sense that its more humane but also in that its better for the economy.

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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

Prepare/cook it where exactly? It's already been pointed out that even a simple microwave is often out of the question for homeless people, and they're sure as hell not going to have access to a fully stocked kitchen either.

I'm lucky I can get a premade ham sandwich most days, and the "warmest" food I've gotten in 4 months was 2-day old pizza from Little Cesar's.

That is a big problem for poor and homeless people; proper appliances.

Dang, Im sorry. Are you anywhere near Wisconsin? I have the capability to make hot food right now. :/

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Questionmarktarius posted...

The idea of directly distributing commodities brings us right back to why if we have to have SNAP (etc), it should be no-strings cash - because it can be converted into such anyway.

Give a guy a $5 block of government cheese, and he can sell it for $2.50 and starve anyway. The only real beneficiary is the dude who got sketchy half-price groceries, and maybe also a liquor store or something.
Give the guy $5, and maybe he'll have some left over after going to the liquor store. If he still manages to starve anyway, that's on him - we already did our part, and heavy-handed paternalism about it all only makes us feel better with no real benefit to whoever we're supposedly helping.

True that they could still sell the food, but it would be harder to unload compared being able to use an EBT card which gives the choice of many items. And I suggested earlier just providing some sort of complete nutrient bar and/or drink powder and just distributing those. A single product that provides all the vitamins/minerals someone needs. It would streamline production, it would be better than a lot of the cheap processed foods, it would require no prep, and it would be something that would be fairly difficult to sell for cash which would reduce the currently rampant levels of fraud.

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DifferentialEquation posted...

A single product that provides all the vitamins/minerals someone needs

There's not going to be a one size fits all solution. People have allergies, dietary restrictions, and religious obligations.

It's best to just give them money straight up with some small reasonable limits. No you can't use this to buy lotto scratch offs, porn, or digital purchases. Bam, done.

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DifferentialEquation posted...

and it would be something that would be fairly difficult to sell for cash

If it exists, it can be sold.
Hell, existence isn't even a hard requirement.

Questionmarktarius posted...

If it exists, it can be sold.
Hell, existence isn't even a hard requirement.

Star Citizen lol
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Questionmarktarius posted...

If it exists, it can be sold.
Hell, existence isn't even a hard requirement.

ha

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DifferentialEquation posted...

Becasue the idea is for people to use SNAP short term so they can get by and get back to being self sufficient, not to encourage them to use it indefinitely by doing everything for them.

This

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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

Prepare/cook it where exactly? It's already been pointed out that even a simple microwave is often out of the question for homeless people, and they're sure as hell not going to have access to a fully stocked kitchen either.

I'm lucky I can get a premade ham sandwich most days, and the "warmest" food I've gotten in 4 months was 2-day old pizza from Little Cesar's.

Didnt realize we where talking about homless people here.

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Here's the issue. The prohibition goes back decades, way before modern conveniences like microwaves and prepared food at the supermarket became popular. It was designed to prevent the poor from spending food at restaurants because that isn't an economical way to feed the poor. However, SNAP hasn't kept up with the times, one of the main reasons being that no one who supports SNAP wants to open the door to changing it for fear it will come off worse.

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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I wonder how many of the people trying to police how other people use their food stamps spent school grant money on anime and video games? lol

Thats not really the same thing lol

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People who get all bent out of shape about food stamps must have too much time an money to have spare energy to police others.

Its not like you soley or personally pay for it anyways. Your taxes go toward the system which then pays for it. Its part of your civil duty. Everyone is involved.

Leave the poor alone

Also "poors"

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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Because they dont need it. They also dont need soda and candy. Snap should just be for basic things like rice, milk, vegetables and water. Not $50 steaks.

Soda is way cheaper than milk and water lol. And I guarantee you no one is blowing their stamps on "$50 steak" unless it's a special occasion.

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They purposely use the most extreme examples to push disingenuous points, lmao
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SocksForWok999 posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I wonder how many of the people trying to police how other people use their food stamps spent school grant money on anime and video games? lol

Thats not really the same thing lol

whoosh! lol

my point is that it's normal to for people to "misuse" government funds, not that they're the same, lmao. it's silly to single out people with their stamps. especially those people who don't have any room to talk about others due to their own personal/family history. that was like.. one example.

if the shoe fits, well, you know.
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2Privileged4U posted...

They purposely use the most extreme examples to push disingenuous points, lmao

For real lol

I just dont think people on food stamps should be buying lamborghinis and eating $10,000 caviar salads.

Like what reality are the dudes saying this shit from lmfao

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