Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 252: Voiding Our Special Relationship

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Jakyl25 12/09/19 10:37:08 PM #1:	I still dont know what a dotard is --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:931351859] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>I still dont know what a dotard is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/09/19 10:39:58 PM #2:	oh, is that like a groyper? --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:931351999] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>oh, is that like a groyper? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 12/09/19 10:40:07 PM #3:	I wonder if this is the time people will learn that the establishment Republican party is not based in reality and we should just nominate Bernie Sanders so many new voters will vote in 2020 and we can get out of this nightmare hellscape. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:931352008] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>I wonder if this is the time people will learn that the establishment Republican party is not based in reality and we should just nominate Bernie Sanders so many new voters will vote in 2020 and we can get out of this nightmare hellscape. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/09/19 10:43:19 PM #4:	LordoftheMorons posted... It sounds like the Dems are going to pass renegotiated NAFTA for some reason?? Why on earth would they do that It a) is giving Trump a win b) does very little, and to the extent that it does do anything it's probably marginally bad Just want to point out how Team Democrat this is at literally the expense of Americans. Why are you passing the renegotiated trade agreement for our country when it could give Trump a win. Just yikes. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931352153] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>It sounds like the Dems are going to pass renegotiated NAFTA for some reason?? Why on earth would they do that It a) is giving Trump a win b) does very little, and to the extent that it does do anything it's probably marginally bad</quote> Just want to point out how Team Democrat this is at literally the expense of Americans. Why are you passing the renegotiated trade agreement for our country when it could give Trump a win. Just yikes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/09/19 10:46:05 PM #5:	just gonna ignore the rest of the post where lotm thinks it is worse policy than just keeping nafta huh i thought context mattered --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:931352270] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>just gonna ignore the rest of the post where lotm thinks it is worse policy than just keeping nafta huh i thought context mattered </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/09/19 10:46:31 PM #6:	Corrik7 posted... Just want to point out how Team Democrat this is at literally the expense of Americans. Why are you passing the renegotiated trade agreement for our country when it could give Trump a win. Just yikes. Its not good for the country. Its a fucking useless exercise in appeasing Trump to get to a deal. The additional requirements to make stuff in the US are just going to drive up prices for Americans. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931352282] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Just want to point out how Team Democrat this is at literally the expense of Americans. Why are you passing the renegotiated trade agreement for our country when it could give Trump a win. Just yikes.</quote>Its not good for the country. Its a fucking useless exercise in appeasing Trump to get to a deal. The additional requirements to make stuff in the US are just going to drive up prices for Americans. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/09/19 10:48:17 PM #7:	Corrik7 posted... Just want to point out how Team Democrat this is at literally the expense of Americans. Why are you passing the renegotiated trade agreement for our country when it could give Trump a win. Just yikes. Well a lot of unions seem to oppose the new NAFTA deal and say it's bad for worker's rights, so it might actually be better for Americans to not pass it. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:931352375] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Just want to point out how Team Democrat this is at literally the expense of Americans. Why are you passing the renegotiated trade agreement for our country when it could give Trump a win. Just yikes.</quote> Well a lot of unions seem to oppose the new NAFTA deal and say it's bad for worker's rights, so it might actually be better for Americans to not pass it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 12/09/19 10:48:23 PM #8:	Jakyl25 posted... I still dont know what a dotard is https://youtu.be/sSxuvorT7K8?t=410 --- Thus is our treaty written; thus is our agreement made. Thought it the arrow of time; memory never fades. What was asked for was given; the price is paid <cite>NFUN posted [p:931352381] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>I still dont know what a dotard is</quote>https://youtu.be/sSxuvorT7K8?t=410 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/09/19 10:51:38 PM #9:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Well a lot of unions seem to oppose the new NAFTA deal and say it's bad for worker's rights, so it might actually be better for Americans to not pass it. First it was argued the deal is literally the same as the old one with just a little minor concessions to us. Now you are arguing it is better to not pass it. Nafta isnt good for America period, but if you were for nafta before then you have to be for this one also because it's just a nafta with a little better terms for us. But to say Congress should actively just stop American lawmaking because it could give Trump a win is a disasterous stance to take. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931352520] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Well a lot of unions seem to oppose the new NAFTA deal and say it's bad for worker's rights, so it might actually be better for Americans to not pass it.</quote>First it was argued the deal is literally the same as the old one with just a little minor concessions to us. Now you are arguing it is better to not pass it. Nafta isnt good for America period, but if you were for nafta before then you have to be for this one also because it's just a nafta with a little better terms for us. But to say Congress should actively just stop American lawmaking because it could give Trump a win is a disasterous stance to take. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/09/19 10:53:17 PM #10:	Enough Democrats know that USMCA is an improvement on NAFTA to do the right thing and vote for it. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931352614] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Enough Democrats know that USMCA is an improvement on NAFTA to do the right thing and vote for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/09/19 10:53:47 PM #11:	Corrik7 posted... Nafta isnt good for America period, but if you were for nafta before then you have to be for this one also because it's just a nafta with a little better terms for us. No? What the fuck are you talking about? Just keeping the old NAFTA is an option, and obviously preferable to making it marginally worse for no reason. The "concessions to us" are bad because they're based on Trump's dumbass misunderstanding of economics in which he thinks a trade deficit is a debt --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931352634] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Nafta isnt good for America period, but if you were for nafta before then you have to be for this one also because it's just a nafta with a little better terms for us.</quote>No? What the fuck are you talking about? Just keeping the old NAFTA is an option, and obviously preferable to making it marginally worse for no reason. The "concessions to us" are bad because they're based on Trump's dumbass misunderstanding of economics in which he thinks a trade deficit is a debt </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/09/19 10:56:41 PM #12:	Corrik7 posted... But to say Congress should actively just stop American lawmaking because it could give Trump a win is a disasterous stance to take. This is literally what the Senate is doing with Democratic policies. They don't want Democrats to get a win, even on good policies that would be much better than this one. Our government is, actually, a disaster. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:931352778] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>But to say Congress should actively just stop American lawmaking because it could give Trump a win is a disasterous stance to take.</quote> This is literally what the Senate is doing with Democratic policies. They don't want Democrats to get a win, even on good policies that would be much better than this one. Our government is, actually, a disaster. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/09/19 10:58:26 PM #13:	NFUN posted... https://youtu.be/sSxuvorT7K8?t=410 I very much appreciate opening up a video and it playing Simon Blackquill's theme. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:931352856] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>NFUN posted... </cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/sSxuvorT7K8?t=410</quote> I very much appreciate opening up a video and it playing Simon Blackquill's theme. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/09/19 10:58:34 PM #14:	LordoftheMorons posted... No? What the fuck are you talking about? Just keeping the old NAFTA is an option, and obviously preferable to making it marginally worse for no reason. The "concessions to us" are bad because they're based on Trump's dumbass misunderstanding of economics in which he thinks a trade deficit is a debt Trump doesn't make the deal himself. Lmfao. That said, all the new changes are from the Democratic party and the AFL-CIO is expected to endorse it which hasn't even happened in like 20 years from them on a trade agreement. You are just arguing Democrats should do nothing to try and thwart Trump personally basically or have little knowledge of what is even going on from what it appears to me. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931352861] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>No? What the fuck are you talking about? Just keeping the old NAFTA is an option, and obviously preferable to making it marginally worse for no reason. The "concessions to us" are bad because they're based on Trump's dumbass misunderstanding of economics in which he thinks a trade deficit is a debt</quote>Trump doesn't make the deal himself. Lmfao. That said, all the new changes are from the Democratic party and the AFL-CIO is expected to endorse it which hasn't even happened in like 20 years from them on a trade agreement. You are just arguing Democrats should do nothing to try and thwart Trump personally basically or have little knowledge of what is even going on from what it appears to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/09/19 10:58:44 PM #15:	To be clear, if Trump wanted to pass like universal background checks or whatever the Dems should go for it. But this is lose-lose. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931352871] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>To be clear, if Trump wanted to pass like universal background checks or whatever the Dems should go for it. But this is lose-lose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/09/19 10:59:41 PM #16:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... This is literally what the Senate is doing with Democratic policies. They don't want Democrats to get a win, even on good policies that would be much better than this one. Our government is, actually, a disaster. And it is dumb if they are purposely sitting on something they think is good for America just because they think it benefits the Democrats. This is why partisanship is just bad and the two party system is wack. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931352916] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>This is literally what the Senate is doing with Democratic policies. They don't want Democrats to get a win, even on good policies that would be much better than this one. Our government is, actually, a disaster.</quote>And it is dumb if they are purposely sitting on something they think is good for America just because they think it benefits the Democrats. This is why partisanship is just bad and the two party system is wack. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/09/19 11:05:04 PM #17:	When Mitch McConnell does it, it's because he has a grand plan to win for America. When the Democrats do it, it's obstruction. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931353166] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>When Mitch McConnell does it, it's because he has a grand plan to win for America. When the Democrats do it, it's obstruction. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/09/19 11:08:16 PM #18:	LotM, I think Corrik has a BIT of a point just regarding how you presented your argument. You, intentionally or not, made it seem like not giving Trump a win was the main reason not to do something. Thats not a reason to do or not do anything, in and of itself. The actual substance of the USMCA vs NAFTA, you can all have at it debating that part of it. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:931353324] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>LotM, I think Corrik has a BIT of a point just regarding how you presented your argument. You, intentionally or not, made it seem like not giving Trump a win was the main reason not to do something. Thats not a reason to do or not do anything, in and of itself. The actual substance of the USMCA vs NAFTA, you can all have at it debating that part of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/09/19 11:17:33 PM #19:	Well, like I said as I understand it the modification is relatively minor in scope, so giving a Trump a win is what makes it go from "kind of stupid but whatever" to really stupid (of course, Trump will proclaim it to be a huge victory for the US, and the Dems will not be able to effectively counter that when they signed off on it). --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931353718] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Well, like I said as I understand it the modification is relatively minor in scope, so giving a Trump a win is what makes it go from "kind of stupid but whatever" to really stupid (of course, Trump will proclaim it to be a huge victory for the US, and the Dems will not be able to effectively counter that when they signed off on it). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/09/19 11:20:49 PM #20:	Jakyl25 posted... LotM, I think Corrik has a BIT of a point just regarding how you presented your argument. You, intentionally or not, made it seem like not giving Trump a win was the main reason not to do something. Thats not a reason to do or not do anything, in and of itself. The actual substance of the USMCA vs NAFTA, you can all have at it debating that part of it. This is true, but Corrik is also specifically doing that thing he constantly accuses everyone of and is removing context. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:931353850] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>LotM, I think Corrik has a BIT of a point just regarding how you presented your argument. You, intentionally or not, made it seem like not giving Trump a win was the main reason not to do something. Thats not a reason to do or not do anything, in and of itself. The actual substance of the USMCA vs NAFTA, you can all have at it debating that part of it.</quote> This is true, but Corrik is also specifically doing that thing he constantly accuses everyone of and is removing context. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/09/19 11:23:15 PM #21:	How long realistically should the impeachment voting take in the house? J know McConnell said he hope move it quickly through the Senate and possibly have it done by Christmas. Is this a possibility still? I doubt it, right. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931353947] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>How long realistically should the impeachment voting take in the house? J know McConnell said he hope move it quickly through the Senate and possibly have it done by Christmas. Is this a possibility still? I doubt it, right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/09/19 11:24:51 PM #22:	no way this is all done this year lol Congress peaces out in like 10 days. IIRC, Nadler said 5 days for members to submit info and stuff to Judiciary at the close of today's hearing. I'm not positive on the timeline (I could try to look into a bit more, I guess) but zero chance the Senate does anything until January at earliest. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:931354038] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>no way this is all done this year lol Congress peaces out in like 10 days. IIRC, Nadler said 5 days for members to submit info and stuff to Judiciary at the close of today's hearing. I'm not positive on the timeline (I could try to look into a bit more, I guess) but zero chance the Senate does anything until January at earliest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/09/19 11:27:45 PM #23:	xp1337 posted... no way this is all done this year lol Congress peaces out in like 10 days. IIRC, Nadler said 5 days for members to submit info and stuff to Judiciary at the close of today's hearing. I'm not positive on the timeline (I could try to look into a bit more, I guess) but zero chance the Senate does anything until January at earliest. I expected as much. I see Clinton was 2 months from actually voted impeached to acquitted. I know McConnell wants to rush it, but I can't see him rushing it that much. Likely a February resolution again? --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931354165] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>no way this is all done this year lol Congress peaces out in like 10 days. IIRC, Nadler said 5 days for members to submit info and stuff to Judiciary at the close of today's hearing. I'm not positive on the timeline (I could try to look into a bit more, I guess) but zero chance the Senate does anything until January at earliest.</quote>I expected as much. I see Clinton was 2 months from actually voted impeached to acquitted. I know McConnell wants to rush it, but I can't see him rushing it that much. Likely a February resolution again? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/09/19 11:29:08 PM #24:	Looked at a WaPo article from today. Apparently the current expected timeline is Judiciary vote on Thursday (I guess I misheard Nadler? I admit I wasn't paying attention when he said that) and a floor vote next week. Pretty sure that still translates to no Senate action until January because of the holiday recess. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:931354224] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Looked at a WaPo article from today. Apparently the current expected timeline is Judiciary vote on Thursday (I guess I misheard Nadler? I admit I wasn't paying attention when he said that) and a floor vote next week. Pretty sure that still translates to no Senate action until January because of the holiday recess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SgtSphynx 12/09/19 11:54:49 PM #25:	Jakyl25 posted... USMCA I fucking hate that acronym --- Congrats to the BYIG Guru Winner, Advokaiser slurps yakisoba nods nods <cite>SgtSphynx posted [p:931355163] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>USMCA</quote>I fucking hate that acronym </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 12/09/19 11:55:41 PM #26:	It's fun to stay at the US-M-C-A! --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:931355196] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>It's fun to stay at the US-M-C-A! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 12/10/19 12:06:09 AM #27:	SgtSphynx posted... I fucking hate that acronym Apparently, Trump wanted to go for just USMC "for the Marine Corp" but got talked to USMCA instead. ~~~ anyway. for some levity. top 10 anime betrayal from the doj ig report https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/1204103826485239809 ABC News can confirm that the Trump "family member" referenced in the Inspector General report who had a friendship with dossier author Chris Steele, was Ivanka. Thread goes into the relationship more if you're interested. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:931355576] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>SgtSphynx posted... </cite> <quote>I fucking hate that acronym</quote>Apparently, Trump wanted to go for just USMC "for the Marine Corp" but got talked to USMCA instead. ~~~ anyway. for some levity. top 10 anime betrayal from the doj ig report https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/1204103826485239809 <quote>ABC News can confirm that the Trump "family member" referenced in the Inspector General report who had a friendship with dossier author Chris Steele, was Ivanka.</quote> Thread goes into the relationship more if you're interested. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SgtSphynx 12/10/19 12:25:56 AM #28:	xp1337 posted... Apparently, Trump wanted to go for just USMC "for the Marine Corp" I would have hated that even more --- Congrats to the BYIG Guru Winner, Advokaiser slurps yakisoba nods nods <cite>SgtSphynx posted [p:931356259] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>Apparently, Trump wanted to go for just USMC "for the Marine Corp"</quote>I would have hated that even more </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/10/19 8:53:18 AM #29:	https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/14/battleground-democrats-usmca-push-071032 An article on your trade agreement. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931366272] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/14/battleground-democrats-usmca-push-071032 An article on your trade agreement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 12/10/19 9:28:01 AM #30:	Holy shit the Democrats are more inept than I could have ever imagined. The articles of impeachment they drafted are literally "abuse of power" and "obstruction of Congress"?!?! First of all, neither of those are crimes to the average voter. I can't be arrested for "abusing power" or obstructing Congress. Secondly, think about the optics on this one. Congress is one of the least popular institutions in this country. Your average voter is going to read the headline and wonder what the hell the big deal is. It all just SOUNDS like Trump was doing his job and Congress didn't like it, not that he was commiting extortion, bribery, etc. I am just flabbergasted how out of touch these people are politically. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:931367279] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Holy shit the Democrats are more inept than I could have ever imagined. The articles of impeachment they drafted are literally "abuse of power" and "obstruction of Congress"?!?! First of all, neither of those are crimes to the average voter. I can't be arrested for "abusing power" or obstructing Congress. Secondly, think about the optics on this one. Congress is one of the least popular institutions in this country. Your average voter is going to read the headline and wonder what the hell the big deal is. It all just SOUNDS like Trump was doing his job and Congress didn't like it, not that he was commiting extortion, bribery, etc. I am just flabbergasted how out of touch these people are politically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/10/19 9:37:54 AM #31:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Holy shit the Democrats are more inept than I could have ever imagined. The articles of impeachment they drafted are literally "abuse of power" and "obstruction of Congress"?!?! First of all, neither of those are crimes to the average voter. I can't be arrested for "abusing power" or obstructing Congress. Secondly, think about the optics on this one. Congress is one of the least popular institutions in this country. Your average voter is going to read the headline and wonder what the hell the big deal is. It all just SOUNDS like Trump was doing his job and Congress didn't like it, not that he was commiting extortion, bribery, etc. I am just flabbergasted how out of touch these people are politically. I think Democrats just want to get this over with. They know they cannot remove. It's not really inflaming independents, especially in the swing States. And, moderate Democrats are getting antsy in republican districts that impeachment could cost them their seats which is why the big usmca push by moderate Democrats is happening now to try and let them point to that as their achievement and distract from the impeachment process. Democrats will impeach Trump which should make them happy. Republicans will still have their president exonerated of crimes. And everyone in theory should be happy. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931367623] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted... </cite> <quote>Holy shit the Democrats are more inept than I could have ever imagined. The articles of impeachment they drafted are literally "abuse of power" and "obstruction of Congress"?!?! First of all, neither of those are crimes to the average voter. I can't be arrested for "abusing power" or obstructing Congress. Secondly, think about the optics on this one. Congress is one of the least popular institutions in this country. Your average voter is going to read the headline and wonder what the hell the big deal is. It all just SOUNDS like Trump was doing his job and Congress didn't like it, not that he was commiting extortion, bribery, etc. I am just flabbergasted how out of touch these people are politically.</quote>I think Democrats just want to get this over with. They know they cannot remove. It's not really inflaming independents, especially in the swing States. And, moderate Democrats are getting antsy in republican districts that impeachment could cost them their seats which is why the big usmca push by moderate Democrats is happening now to try and let them point to that as their achievement and distract from the impeachment process. Democrats will impeach Trump which should make them happy. Republicans will still have their president exonerated of crimes. And everyone in theory should be happy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 12/10/19 10:00:49 AM #32:	Does the average voter think that the set of things an official can/should be impeached for is a subset of the things which one could be arrested for? At least if I were the one judging, you could provide sufficient justification for impeachment just by copy-pasting the president's Twitter page and calling it a day, and I don't think there's anything just on his Twitter that amounts to a criminal offense? --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:931368482] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Does the average voter think that the set of things an official can/should be impeached for is a subset of the things which one could be arrested for? At least if I were the one judging, you could provide sufficient justification for impeachment just by copy-pasting the president's Twitter page and calling it a day, and I don't think there's anything just on his Twitter that amounts to a criminal offense?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 12/10/19 10:06:48 AM #33:	pyresword posted... Does the average voter think that the set of things an official can/should be impeached for is a subset of the things which one could be arrested for? I think most voters will be looking for a crime. Or at least even the implication of a crime. The Dems drafted the articles to sound as bureaucratic as possible. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:931368697] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>pyresword posted... </cite> <quote>Does the average voter think that the set of things an official can/should be impeached for is a subset of the things which one could be arrested for?</quote>I think most voters will be looking for a crime. Or at least even the implication of a crime. The Dems drafted the articles to sound as bureaucratic as possible. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/10/19 11:15:14 AM #34:	"High crimes and misdemeanors" sounds like a crime is required. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931371396] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>"High crimes and misdemeanors" sounds like a crime is required. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 12/10/19 11:27:47 AM #35:	red sox 777 posted... "High crimes and misdemeanors" sounds like a crime is required. Are you trying to argue that this implies that there must be a crime in order for Congress to impeach, or are you only saying that this means that your average citizen would think that there has to be a crime? --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:931371951] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>"High crimes and misdemeanors" sounds like a crime is required. </quote> Are you trying to argue that this implies that there must be a crime in order for Congress to impeach, or are you only saying that this means that your average citizen would think that there has to be a crime?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 12/10/19 11:32:07 AM #36:	pyresword posted... Are you trying to argue that this implies that there must be a crime in order for Congress to impeach, or are you only saying that this means that your average citizen would think that there has to be a crime? The latter --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:931372144] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>pyresword posted... </cite> <quote>Are you trying to argue that this implies that there must be a crime in order for Congress to impeach, or are you only saying that this means that your average citizen would think that there has to be a crime?</quote>The latter </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/10/19 11:44:05 AM #37:	https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/9/hillary-clinton-emerges-top-choice-democratic-vote/ Lolol --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931372672] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/9/hillary-clinton-emerges-top-choice-democratic-vote/ Lolol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 12/10/19 11:54:21 AM #38:	Shes running --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:931373141] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Shes running</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 12/10/19 12:07:14 PM #39:	who --- https://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:931373699] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>who </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/10/19 12:20:37 PM #40:	Nelson_Mandela posted... The latter Yup. And if Hillary gets in the race, she's winning the nomination and the Democrats are doomed. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931374364] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted... </cite> <quote>The latter</quote> Yup. And if Hillary gets in the race, she's winning the nomination and the Democrats are doomed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/10/19 12:22:39 PM #41:	red sox 777 posted... Yup. And if Hillary gets in the race, she's winning the nomination and the Democrats are doomed. Idk. I mean, probably. But, I dunno if Biden isn't gonna fall apart in the general. Sanders is probably the best bet for Dems or Bloomberg. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931374464] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>Yup. And if Hillary gets in the race, she's winning the nomination and the Democrats are doomed.</quote>Idk. I mean, probably. But, I dunno if Biden isn't gonna fall apart in the general. Sanders is probably the best bet for Dems or Bloomberg. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 12/10/19 12:27:59 PM #42:	Corrik7 posted... Idk. I mean, probably. But, I dunno if Biden isn't gonna fall apart in the general. Sanders is probably the best bet for Dems or Bloomberg. Biden will very likely fall apart in the general under pressure from Trump. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:931374713] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Idk. I mean, probably. But, I dunno if Biden isn't gonna fall apart in the general. Sanders is probably the best bet for Dems or Bloomberg.</quote> Biden will very likely fall apart in the general under pressure from Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/10/19 12:44:19 PM #43:	God Bill Barr is such a lying sack of shit: https://twitter.com/joshablock/status/1204453289489768454?s=21 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931375442] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>God Bill Barr is such a lying sack of shit: https://twitter.com/joshablock/status/1204453289489768454?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/10/19 12:53:09 PM #44:	"There is no question, of course, that this trade agreement is much better than NAFTA," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., Hmmmm. What say you lotm --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931375865] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>"There is no question, of course, that this trade agreement is much better than NAFTA," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., Hmmmm. What say you lotm </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 12/10/19 12:54:53 PM #45:	red sox 777 posted... Yup. And if Hillary gets in the race, she's winning the nomination and the Democrats are doomed. Theres 0 chance she wins the nomination, if she runs again shes just siphoning votes from Biden and Buttigieg. ...Wait, Hillary pls run --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:931375947] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted... </cite> <quote>Yup. And if Hillary gets in the race, she's winning the nomination and the Democrats are doomed.</quote> Theres 0 chance she wins the nomination, if she runs again shes just siphoning votes from Biden and Buttigieg. ...Wait, Hillary pls run </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 12/10/19 12:55:53 PM #46:	Of course she's gonna say that if the Dems are voting for it Seems like vulnerable Dems probably wanted to pass it so they could claim they were getting stuff done, maybe helping their reelects (though I doubt it) but definitely helping Trump. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:931376000] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Of course she's gonna say that if the Dems are voting for it Seems like vulnerable Dems probably wanted to pass it so they could claim they were getting stuff done, maybe helping their reelects (though I doubt it) but definitely helping Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/10/19 12:55:56 PM #47:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Theres 0 chance she wins the nomination, if she runs again shes just siphoning votes from Biden and Buttigieg. ...Wait, Hillary pls run Not what that poll says. She takes Warren's woman vote. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931376001] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Theres 0 chance she wins the nomination, if she runs again shes just siphoning votes from Biden and Buttigieg. ...Wait, Hillary pls run</quote>Not what that poll says. She takes Warren's woman vote. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 12/10/19 12:56:28 PM #48:	LordoftheMorons posted... Of course she's gonna say that if the Dems are voting for it Seems like vulnerable Dems probably wanted to pass it so they could claim they were getting stuff done, maybe helping their reelects (though I doubt it) but definitely helping Trump. Damn lying Democrats. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Bloodstained <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:931376023] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Of course she's gonna say that if the Dems are voting for it Seems like vulnerable Dems probably wanted to pass it so they could claim they were getting stuff done, maybe helping their reelects (though I doubt it) but definitely helping Trump.</quote>Damn lying Democrats. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 12/10/19 12:58:23 PM #49:	LordoftheMorons posted... God Bill Barr is such a lying sack of shit: https://twitter.com/joshablock/status/1204453289489768454?s=21 no but it's okay because trump wasn't trying to use the apparatus of OUR state to influence our elections, he was trying to use the apparatus of the ukranian state to influence our elections --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:931376127] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>God Bill Barr is such a lying sack of shit: https://twitter.com/joshablock/status/1204453289489768454?s=21</quote>no but it's okay because trump wasn't trying to use the apparatus of OUR state to influence our elections, he was trying to use the apparatus of the ukranian state to influence our elections </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 12/10/19 12:59:14 PM #50:	Mother fucking primary polls. Yang puts up a 4% and a 3% today and of course the 3% is in the qualifying poll and the 4% doesn't count. Also the 3% was the first qualifying poll in nearly two weeks to even drop. This is so shitty. He has the support we just aren't being polled. I guess I should buy a land line --- ~C~ FD https://imgur.com/dGDfxaw <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:931376166] in Politics C... [t:78241503]...</cite> <quote>Mother fucking primary polls. Yang puts up a 4% and a 3% today and of course the 3% is in the qualifying poll and the 4% doesn't count. Also the 3% was the first qualifying poll in nearly two weeks to even drop. This is so shitty. He has the support we just aren't being polled. I guess I should buy a land line </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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