Poll of the Day > C/D most pro life people are hypocrites

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JebronLames
11/30/19 3:48:38 PM
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it is fact that this happens all the time, many pro life politicians will try their hardest to prevent women from being able to get an abortion but at the same time...


....they will try to drastically cut stuff like food stamps, wic, head start, the same stuff that would have helped those same kids. Sadly this may be the mindset of many of most pro life people
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BlackScythe0
11/30/19 3:51:18 PM
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Never met an antichoicer who didn't immediately call the children they wanted to force to be born moochers and want the death penalty as a favored punishment.
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Fam_Fam
11/30/19 3:52:09 PM
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everyone is

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Yellow
11/30/19 3:57:30 PM
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Hypothetically, if it was baby murder, and only the people who treat babies the worst stood up against it, would they be hypocrites for it, or would that make them more reasonable choosing the lesser of two evils?

I chalk it up to "these people were brainwashed into thinking a fertilized egg deserves rights, generally from a young vulnerable age, where no one would normally come to that conclusion", because that used to be me.

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The_tall_midget
11/30/19 4:10:25 PM
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1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

2. You're not entitled to free shit. Ever.

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.
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Yellow
11/30/19 4:21:32 PM
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The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

2. You're not entitled to free shit. Ever.

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.
You're not entitled to the roads, gtf off of them.

I want to see an option for people to not pay taxes and not receive any government services. Darwinism would happen.

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ParanoidObsessive
11/30/19 4:32:05 PM
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I agree, most pro-life people are hypocrites.

So are most pro-choice people.

And also people who don't really have a strong opinion on the subject one way or another.
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BUMPED2002
11/30/19 4:45:38 PM
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The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

Why Support for the Death Penalty Is Much Higher Among White Americans

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.

You must be an ardent fan of novelist and nutcase Ayn Rand who thought Government should not provide amenities to people via tax dollars. Paul Ryan subscribes to her BS as well.

Just a brief history lesson for you. In the 1860s and 1870s, the United States Government doled out millions of acres of FREE LAND west of the Mississippi River that they'd stolen from Native Americans to Newly Arriving Penniless European Immigrants and it was all DONE FOR FREE. The US Government also undergirded them with an economic floor and the seeds to plant and Equipment to get their farm-based businesses started and again this was ALL FREE FROM GOVERNMENT.
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BUMPED2002
11/30/19 4:52:21 PM
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JebronLames posted...
....they will try to drastically cut stuff like food stamps, wic, head start, the same stuff that would have helped those same kids. Sadly this may be the mindset of many of most pro life people

The short answer is Black people. If we look at the time line from the New Deal era of the 1930s until the 1960s, no one White had opposed Gov Programs that helped pull people and the country out of the throes of the Great Depression. Now when Black people began gaining access to Gov Programs in the 1960s, which btw were nowhere near as generous as the ones prior that helped Whites, White people suddenly had an issue with Gov Programs

Go research the late GOP strategist Lee Atwater who said: "Now, youre talking about cutting taxes, and all these things youre talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, Blacks get hurt worse than Whites." This quote from Atwater explains why the GOP loves cutting taxes.
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JebronLames
11/30/19 4:53:07 PM
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BUMPED2002 posted...
The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

Why Support for the Death Penalty Is Much Higher Among White Americans

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.

You must be an ardent fan of novelist and nutcase Ayn Rand who thought Government should not provide amenities to people via tax dollars. Paul Ryan subscribes to her BS as well.

Just a brief history lesson for you. In the 1860s and 1870s, the United States Government doled out millions of acres of FREE LAND west of the Mississippi River that they'd stolen from Native Americans to Newly Arriving Penniless European Immigrants and it was all DONE FOR FREE. The US Government also undergirded them with an economic floor and the seeds to plant and Equipment to get their farm-based businesses started and again this was ALL FREE FROM GOVERNMENT.

what do you have against ayn rand? haven't heard that paul ryan was a fan of hers. isn't paul ryan pro life though? don't think rand was.
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BUMPED2002
11/30/19 4:54:29 PM
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JebronLames posted...
BUMPED2002 posted...
The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

Why Support for the Death Penalty Is Much Higher Among White Americans

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.

You must be an ardent fan of novelist and nutcase Ayn Rand who thought Government should not provide amenities to people via tax dollars. Paul Ryan subscribes to her BS as well.

Just a brief history lesson for you. In the 1860s and 1870s, the United States Government doled out millions of acres of FREE LAND west of the Mississippi River that they'd stolen from Native Americans to Newly Arriving Penniless European Immigrants and it was all DONE FOR FREE. The US Government also undergirded them with an economic floor and the seeds to plant and Equipment to get their farm-based businesses started and again this was ALL FREE FROM GOVERNMENT.

what do you have against ayn rand? haven't heard that paul ryan was a fan of hers. isn't paul ryan pro life though? don't think rand was.

Ayn Rand was a nutcase and Paul Ryan embraced her idiotic ideologies. Not sure if Ryan is pro-life or not but he does embrace Rand's stance that Gov and tax dollars should NOT help those less fortunate. In her book "Atlas Shrugged" Rand described a dystopian United States in which private businesses suffer under increasingly burdensome laws and regulations.
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JebronLames
11/30/19 4:57:01 PM
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gov and tax dollars should help those less fortunate? that doesn't make sense to you?
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Firewerx
11/30/19 4:58:07 PM
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If only the people who profess to care about life before birth cared anything like as much about life after birth.
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BUMPED2002
11/30/19 5:04:57 PM
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JebronLames posted...
gov and tax dollars should help those less fortunate? that doesn't make sense to you?

i believe 100% that a government and tax dollars should be used to help those less fortunate.
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wwinterj25
11/30/19 6:24:00 PM
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Most people are hypocritical yes.
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KJ StErOiDs
11/30/19 6:31:12 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
Most people are hypocritical yes.

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JebronLames
11/30/19 6:32:20 PM
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KJ StErOiDs posted...
wwinterj25 posted...
Most people are hypocritical yes.

what? so you dudes don't have a very high opinion of most people do you?
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wwinterj25
11/30/19 6:33:04 PM
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JebronLames posted...
what? so you dudes don't have a very high opinion of most people do you?


Of most people? Nope.
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Krazy_Kirby
12/01/19 12:24:01 AM
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most people are hypocrites to some degree
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CaptainStrong
12/01/19 12:37:04 AM
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The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

2. You're not entitled to free shit. Ever.

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.

Then don't use any free service. Get the fuck off of GameFAQs and almost every website on the Internet. If someone breaks into your house, don't call the police. If your house catches fire, don't call the fire department. You better not have gone to public school, too.
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Keebs05
12/01/19 1:18:13 AM
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KJ StErOiDs posted...
wwinterj25 posted...
Most people are hypocritical yes.

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Unbridled9
12/01/19 8:06:53 AM
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Oh wow. Seriously? You seriously think this? That people who disagree with you are effectively hypocrites because issues that likely have completely different and unrelated reasons behind them can be phrased in such a way as to make them seem hypocritical? Did it ever occur to you that, ya know, there are different motives behind the claims, different ideals, and that pro-life people are *not* all right-wingers falling into party line?

Let's use a non-political example here. Alex loves seafood. Fish, shellfish, everything. Alex also loves spicy food. Especially tabasco sauce. However Alex hates having tabasco sauce on their fish and considers spicy seafood to be a culinary travesty. Is Alex a hypocrite?

I don't think anyone would claim for a second that such a viewpoint would be hypocritical. After all, Alex's love of two things does not mean that they desire to see them overlap and the reasoning and motives for liking seafood and spicy food may be entirely different.

Pro-life people see a fetus as being an unborn child typically. As such they tend to see terminating said child as being akin to murder. Even if one could argue that it isn't alive they would claim that it likely would be had it not been aborted. Their view of murder, be it religiously founded or otherwise, is the dominating factor here.

This does not mean that they will *like* the resulting child. They may see it as an annoying, entitled, brat that they'd gladly send off to an orphanage or something; but they view that childs life is an inherent right to it and it would be wrong to take it away; especially if the motivation isn't something medical but, rather, some woman using it as contraception to dodge responsibility.

As for things like food stamps and whatnot, their views on them are often not motivated by the child or a right to life or anything of the sort. They see it as an excuse for the poor to leech off of society or whatever reason for whatever program they dislike. The child is effectively a non-factor here. If they saw a child starving in the street or were given the option to donate or something similar to help there is a chance they would do so; but there is a massive difference between donating of your own free will and having the government force such things along regardless of your stance on the situation.

A person who ONLY cared about the well-being of the child turning around and effectively cutting all support once they were born with no other motivation, logic, or anything else could be argued to be hypocritical. A person who has other motives, reasons, logic, and other such things is probably not being a hypocrite. Just because you want to help starving kids in undeveloped nations doesn't mean you're about to sell everything you own to help them or that you can't weigh the value between two different actions, one which helps and one which hurts, and pick the latter as you see other, more valuable, benefits to it.
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Mead
12/01/19 8:47:34 AM
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Please save these poor defenseless children so that they can experience a life of poverty and I can blame them for all societal ills
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Unbridled9
12/01/19 9:02:32 AM
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Mead posted...
Please save these poor defenseless children so that they can experience a life of poverty and I can blame them for all societal ills


I don't recall saying life was fair.
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BeerOnTap
12/01/19 10:02:14 AM
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So if I dont want to see homeless people murdered, that means I must be on the hook financially to take care of them?

This logic is flawed. You can be against seeing babies torn to shreds in the womb while also not wanting your money stolen from you by force.
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BeerOnTap
12/01/19 10:09:23 AM
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Mead posted...
Please save these poor defenseless children so that they can experience a life of poverty and I can blame them for all societal ills


This argument makes the assumption that anyone who is impoverished has no potential to overcome it. And if you think about it, it also has some racial undertones as well. Congrats.
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Mead
12/01/19 10:16:19 AM
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BeerOnTap posted...
Congrats


Thanks
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Zeus
12/01/19 10:25:22 AM
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JebronLames posted...
....they will try to drastically cut stuff like food stamps, wic, head start, the same stuff that would have helped those same kids. Sadly this may be the mindset of many of most pro life people


There's literally nothing hypocritical about that, though. One thing doesn't contradict the other, any more than abortionists (or "anti-lifers," to borrow a page from Blackscythe's silliness) funding those programs. It's a false dichotomy.
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afrodude77
12/01/19 10:32:47 AM
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Mead posted...
Please save these poor defenseless children so that they can experience a life of poverty and I can blame them for all societal ills


This pro lifers only give a damn about a fetus once it's born sorry you're on your own kid.

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Noop_Noop
12/01/19 12:21:49 PM
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Yellow posted...
The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

2. You're not entitled to free shit. Ever.

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.
You're not entitled to the roads, gtf off of them.

I want to see an option for people to not pay taxes and not receive any government services. Darwinism would happen.


It's called anarcho capitalism.

In MOST cases the private sector is better at what they do than the public sector. You ever driven on a toll road in the middle of winter? Then you may have noticed that they are always plowed and clear. They also tend to be much better maintained.

If my option is to pay a subscription service for the roads I regularly use and pay a toll on those that I dont vs paying the government to maintain all of the roads i am totally going for the subscription based model.

Short of emergency services, I'm good with going private sector all the way.
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BlackScythe0
12/01/19 12:32:44 PM
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The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

2. You're not entitled to free shit. Ever.

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.


This is that weird thing where I feel like the entire argument is based on a lie. Tax dollars don't pay for abortions.
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Noop_Noop
12/01/19 12:36:11 PM
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CaptainStrong posted...
The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

2. You're not entitled to free shit. Ever.

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.

Then don't use any free service. Get the fuck off of GameFAQs and almost every website on the Internet. If someone breaks into your house, don't call the police. If your house catches fire, don't call the fire department. You better not have gone to public school, too.


1. gamefaqs is paid for by ads. you are paying for it by seeing them
2. If someone breaks into my house there is no way im waiting long enough for the police to respond. ima paint the fucking walls with them.
3. i would much rather pay for a fire suppression system for my house than rely on the fire department's response time. be a lot easier to pay for too if my taxes weren't already paying for the fire department that i dont want to use.
4. my kid does go to private school

fuck the public sector. it is a gigantic, inefficient waste of money and a terrible way to try to help people.
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Noop_Noop
12/01/19 12:38:03 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

2. You're not entitled to free shit. Ever.

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.


This is that weird thing where I feel like the entire argument is based on a lie. Tax dollars don't pay for abortions.


planned parenthood got 1.5 billion in taxpayer money between 2013 and 2015. just saying.
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DirtBasedSoap
12/01/19 12:40:57 PM
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schmen loves telling us how badass he is and how much he really understands how the world works lol
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Noop_Noop
12/01/19 12:41:38 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
schmen loves telling us how badass he is and how much he really understands how the world works lol


i mean, im doing a lot better than you
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BlackScythe0
12/01/19 12:41:59 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

2. You're not entitled to free shit. Ever.

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.


This is that weird thing where I feel like the entire argument is based on a lie. Tax dollars don't pay for abortions.


planned parenthood got 1.5 billion in taxpayer money between 2013 and 2015. just saying.

And?
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Noop_Noop
12/01/19 12:42:51 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Tax dollars don't pay for abortions.


BlackScythe0 posted...
planned parenthood got 1.5 billion in taxpayer money between 2013 and 2015


do you really need me to clarify? taxpayer money gets spent on abortions.
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BlackScythe0
12/01/19 12:44:19 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Tax dollars don't pay for abortions.


BlackScythe0 posted...
planned parenthood got 1.5 billion in taxpayer money between 2013 and 2015


do you really need me to clarify? taxpayer money gets spent on abortions.


So you're either saying the facts or wrong, or you believe the only thing planned parenthood does is abortions which are apparently just a very small part of the service they offer.
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Noop_Noop
12/01/19 12:51:17 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Noop_Noop posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Tax dollars don't pay for abortions.


BlackScythe0 posted...
planned parenthood got 1.5 billion in taxpayer money between 2013 and 2015


do you really need me to clarify? taxpayer money gets spent on abortions.


So you're either saying the facts or wrong, or you believe the only thing planned parenthood does is abortions which are apparently just a very small part of the service they offer.


what FACTS am i saying wrong?

C/D
1. planned parenthood received an average of $500 million in taxpayer money per year
2. planned parenthood used that money to provide abortions

i could also point out that during the past 6 years their number of health centers and affiliate centers declined. i could point out that they performed fewer cancer screenings and prevention services.
They also performed fewer breast examinations, fewer HPV vaccinations, and provided prenatal services to 8,000 fewer women than the previous year, pretty much every year.

guess what they HAVEN'T been providing less of, and have in fact been providing more?
its abortions.
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BlackScythe0
12/01/19 12:57:33 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Noop_Noop posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Tax dollars don't pay for abortions.


BlackScythe0 posted...
planned parenthood got 1.5 billion in taxpayer money between 2013 and 2015


do you really need me to clarify? taxpayer money gets spent on abortions.


So you're either saying the facts or wrong, or you believe the only thing planned parenthood does is abortions which are apparently just a very small part of the service they offer.


what FACTS am i saying wrong?

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1. planned parenthood received an average of $500 million in taxpayer money per year
2. planned parenthood used that money to provide abortions

i could also point out that during the past 6 years their number of health centers and affiliate centers declined. i could point out that they performed fewer cancer screenings and prevention services.
They also performed fewer breast examinations, fewer HPV vaccinations, and provided prenatal services to 8,000 fewer women than the previous year.

guess what they HAVEN'T been providing less of, and have in fact been providing more?
its abortions.


We always knew the organization was getting tax payer dollars.

There is a law that says federal money can't go to abortions.

You are saying that law is being violated and no one is enforcing it.

Reality is the money planned parenthood gets goes to the majority of the procedures they perform which is general womens health. Not simply abortion.
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DirtBasedSoap
12/01/19 1:00:24 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
DirtBasedSoap posted...
schmen loves telling us how badass he is and how much he really understands how the world works lol


i mean, im doing a lot better than you

probably not
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adjl
12/01/19 2:48:33 PM
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The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

2. You're not entitled to free shit. Ever.

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.


You seem to have a hard time separating "abortions shouldn't be illegal" from "abortions should be 100% free for anyone who wants them." I'm not really sure why.
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Zeus
12/01/19 6:06:23 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Reality is the money planned parenthood gets goes to the majority of the procedures they perform which is general womens health. Not simply abortion.


Considering that almost all other health issues they refer people to actual doctors for, the only women's health they really provide is abortions. More importantly, the fact that they have government funding is how they're able to provide abortions since otherwise their limited donations would go to "providing" the non-abortion services which, again, really just amounts to referring people to actual medical practices since they pretty much only deal in abortions. The reality is that the money itself is fungible and the overall funding ultimately does help to pay for abortions because, again, abortions are pretty much their thing.
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BlackScythe0
12/01/19 6:56:16 PM
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Objectively false Zeus
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hypnox
12/03/19 6:16:01 AM
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A know a VERY hardcore far righter. He was against abortion like a mad man... that is until his son knocked up some girl when they were in highschool. Then it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. A couple years later... abortion is as bad as Hitler.
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mooreandrew58
12/03/19 7:15:16 AM
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Yellow posted...
The_tall_midget posted...
1. You're not entitled to a doctor's free work.

2. You're not entitled to free shit. Ever.

3. If it's "their body, their choice" then they can pay for it. If society pays for it, society decides if you can have it.
You're not entitled to the roads, gtf off of them.

I want to see an option for people to not pay taxes and not receive any government services. Darwinism would happen.


For his 1 and 2 ive said the same thing about free healthcare. But like roads they are nice to have, just not a right as you put it.

But thats just me just because i dont think something should be considered a "right" doesnt mean I dont think it shouldnt be available.
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Judgmenl
12/03/19 8:09:21 AM
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Everyone's a hypocrite.
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Unbridled9
12/03/19 8:51:12 AM
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Judgmenl posted...
Everyone's a hypocrite.


About something, sure; but what matters is what you do when the hypocracy is exposed. Thanks to this topic though I'm convinced that there's no point in trying to reason with or compromise with a pro-choicer. After all, if they can't understand how being pro-life but opposing government-run programs like those doesn't make one a hypocrite, what's the point of trying to reason with them?
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Judgmenl
12/03/19 9:08:40 AM
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Unbridled9 posted...
what's the point of trying to reason with them?


There isn't a reason. Some people are stubborn, and a lot of people are apathetic.
I am definitely apathetic on this issue. Both sides have valid arguments, however both sides have absurd arguments which prevent me from really caring about this issue.
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slacker03150
12/03/19 9:46:53 AM
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The number of pro life people who get abortions but somehow think their situation was different or it was warranted in their situation is kind of funny.

When someone else needs it, they were just a slut who couldn't use birth control. When they need it, it was an accident and this is an unfortunate consequence.

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