Board 8 > Pokemon Sword/Shield Discussion Topic - Part 2

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Team Rocket Elite
11/24/19 10:09:43 PM
#51:


Yeah, I guess it's possible people get stuck somewhere in RBY and it increases their time count.
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red13n
11/24/19 10:10:15 PM
#52:


mnkboy907 posted...
Route 9 is a decent length, with branching paths through it which was nice, but also the time between gyms 6 and 7 can be padded out by exploring the few new areas accessible with the surf bike. Extra Wild Area sections and the lake on Route 2. I also expected there to be more to Turffield but lol guess not.


I did this and I think the number of surf accessible areas can be counted on one hand. I was done traversing every new water area on the map in under 10 minutes. The map is that tiny.
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StealThisSheen
11/24/19 10:16:57 PM
#53:


I like it better than some of the older ones, even if it's smaller. All the Kanto remakes made me realize how much I don't care for the Kanto map outside of nostalgia, though, with things like Rock Tunnel which is literally a straight line disguised as a dungeon to make you use an HM you'll never use again, and Seafoam Island which serves no purpose during the main game whatsoever other than to slow you down.
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Team Rocket Elite
11/24/19 10:21:57 PM
#54:


You don't need Flash to get through Rock Tunnel and the Seafoam Islands are optional. This is probably why I think RBY is short. >_>
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red13n
11/24/19 10:27:52 PM
#55:


StealThisSheen posted...
Seafoam Island which serves no purpose during the main game whatsoever other than to slow you down.


But exploring is fun?

I literally go down every path in a Pokemon game anyway. Just because I don't have to go somewhere doesn't mean I won't.
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StealThisSheen
11/24/19 10:34:12 PM
#56:


Team Rocket Elite posted...
You don't need Flash to get through Rock Tunnel and the Seafoam Islands are optional. This is probably why I think RBY is short. >_>


Oh, right. You don't need it. It just tries to trick you into thinking you do. It's literally impossible to get lost in Rock Tunnel because it's a straight line.

Are Seafoam Islands completely optional, or do you have to atleast go through part of it?

EDIT: Oh they're optional because you can just surf from Pallet, can't you?
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Team Rocket Elite
11/24/19 10:35:57 PM
#57:


Yeah, you can just surf from Pallet Town.
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StealThisSheen
11/24/19 10:36:31 PM
#58:


I literally never thought to do that. Not in RBY, not in FR/LG, not in Let's Go.

Huh.
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Mewtwo59
11/24/19 10:43:18 PM
#59:


You have to remember the resolution on the GB games was pretty low, so you couldn't see much around you. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the Let's Go dungeons were easier because you could see much more of them.

And the Rock Tunnel really wasn't that much of a straight line:
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/89/Rock_Tunnel_1F_RBY.png
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/0/0f/Rock_Tunnel_B1F_RBY.png

Those maps combined with the small viewing area was a lot easier to get lost in than you think.

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Mewtwo59
11/24/19 10:48:38 PM
#60:


red13n posted...
But exploring is fun?

I literally go down every path in a Pokemon game anyway. Just because I don't have to go somewhere doesn't mean I won't.


And this too. It's better to have places like the Seafoam Islands and Mt. Mortar that are totally optional but give you a choice to explore them and find stuff.

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StealThisSheen
11/24/19 10:49:56 PM
#61:


Mewtwo59 posted...
You have to remember the resolution on the GB games was pretty low, so you couldn't see much around you. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the Let's Go dungeons were easier because you could see much more of them.

And the Rock Tunnel really wasn't that much of a straight line:
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/89/Rock_Tunnel_1F_RBY.png
https://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/0/0f/Rock_Tunnel_B1F_RBY.png

Those maps combined with the small viewing area was a lot easier to get lost in than you think.


I mean "straight line" as in there's no way to go the wrong way. There are no alternative paths/extra ladders/etc. You just follow a wall and you're going to find the next ladder.
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Hbthebattle
11/24/19 11:00:34 PM
#62:


That site listed RSE as 200 hours to 100%. I dont consider it reliable.
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Mewtwo59
11/24/19 11:03:17 PM
#63:


If the Battle Frontier is included in that I wouldn't say that's too much of an exaggeration.

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red13n
11/24/19 11:16:43 PM
#64:


i thought maybe this area at the end would provide an area to explore...but i feel like it too is going to devolve into a small gauntlet of pokemon battles...
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Hbthebattle
11/24/19 11:58:14 PM
#65:


Mewtwo59 posted...
If the Battle Frontier is included in that I wouldn't say that's too much of an exaggeration.

Well it listed the 200 hours statistic for just Ruby & Sapphire, so...
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MichelBollinger
11/25/19 12:09:13 AM
#66:


Completionist on that site means all content on the disk/cartidge.
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Mewtwo59
11/25/19 1:27:49 AM
#67:


Oh, I wasn't sure if it counted Emerald or not given that you said RSE.

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red13n
11/25/19 2:01:47 AM
#68:


So without putting spoilers...there is an event that happens at the end of the game where something supposedly major is happening at a specific town...

You are able to back out of the area you are supposed to go to and fly to that town. Absolutely no one in that town reacts to what is going on at all, they are all still locked in to their old dialogue.

Horrible.
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MoogleKupo141
11/25/19 2:09:02 AM
#69:


Speaking of length stuff... it feels like this game has barely any trainer battles compared to the rest of the series. Like im just before the champion tournament and it feels like I havent fought most of the trainer types more than twice. Its weird.

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red13n
11/25/19 2:14:18 AM
#70:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
Speaking of length stuff... it feels like this game has barely any trainer battles compared to the rest of the series. Like im just before the champion tournament and it feels like I havent fought most of the trainer types more than twice. Its weird.


but you did just fight a gym that consisted of nothing but 3 trainers where 2 of them were identical.
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MichelBollinger
11/25/19 2:16:12 AM
#71:


"Gym"
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MoogleKupo141
11/25/19 2:18:03 AM
#72:


touch

I amended my statement to exclude Team Yell

also I think I may have fought three fishers, but im not sure.

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red13n
11/25/19 3:46:35 AM
#73:


having gotten through the credits I can now pretty safely say this was the worst pokemon game to date.

That is unfortunate because I really like some of the Pokemon designs.
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LusterSoldier
11/25/19 5:19:09 AM
#74:


red13n posted...
having gotten through the credits I can now pretty safely say this was the worst pokemon game to date.

That is unfortunate because I really like some of the Pokemon designs.


That is the risk you take by choosing the buy the first games of a new generation (which are usually barebones), over the improved third version/sequels. And with the games being $60 instead of $40, there's a stronger reason to skip the first games of a new generation and just get the third version/sequels instead.
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DoomTheGyarados
11/25/19 5:38:33 AM
#75:


I feel like this is probably in the upper half for me in terms of games through the credits, but this is also someone who couldn't get through the last two games without becoming bored so I don't know if my Pokemon master bonafides are what they used to be.


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Leafeon13N
11/25/19 7:21:54 AM
#76:


The entire game from gym 7 on is just incredibly barebones. It's obvious they had stuff planned but cut all of it for time.

The last city even has a more elaborate transportation system but the city itself is completely empty. A section of it even has huge sprawling shops but none of the doors actually function.

Several end of game events we hear about but never see, there are areas that were clearly meant to be explored as a classic villain base but are cut as a mere elevator to a Pokemon battle(this happens two or three times).

The last route is not a victory road equivalent but a rehashed tile set and one of the smaller routes in the game.

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Team Rocket Elite
11/25/19 8:26:22 AM
#77:


red13n posted...
So without putting spoilers...there is an event that happens at the end of the game where something supposedly major is happening at a specific town...

You are able to back out of the area you are supposed to go to and fly to that town. Absolutely no one in that town reacts to what is going on at all, they are all still locked in to their old dialogue.

Horrible.


I think I remember some of the NPCs near or inside the gym saying something different. But I might be wrong on that. Definitely the NPCs not too far outside the gym and to the sides were just saying the same thing.
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HashtagSEP
11/25/19 10:00:14 AM
#78:


I only have 5 badges currently, but so far this is definitely in the upper half of games for me. I LOVE the presentation with the gym challenge as a sport, it makes the gym battles feel very grand and exciting instead of just something you have to do. I do think I would've liked a bit more to be happening with the story, but US/UM were so overbearing with it that they kinda bored me to tears by the end.
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HeroDelTiempo17
11/25/19 12:14:04 PM
#79:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
I feel like this is probably in the upper half for me in terms of games through the credits, but this is also someone who couldn't get through the last two games without becoming bored so I don't know if my Pokemon master bonafides are what they used to be.


XY were extremely bland and I didnt even make it halfway through Sumo so no I'd agree with that

I did like ORAS, though the nostalgia did some heavy lifting and it helped they had already had a good map to remake

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Zigzagoon
11/25/19 1:43:35 PM
#80:


I'm curious what about these games are so much more exciting than XY or Sumo

If it's the Wild Area and Raids etc, then sure I guess. Those can be fun if that's your thing.

If it's the story / plot then I just don't really understand because there isn't one.

If it's just the gyms as a whole where you do a little mission then fight in front of a crowd... then uh... I guess if that's what really excites you...

I'm just trying to understand what about Sword and Shield is so vastly different from previous titles that would warrant people going crazy about these games or highly appreciating them.

And then I'm trying to understand how such little changes just completely change someone's opinion on something. Something like... Oh now Gym challenges are more focused on and you do them in front of a crowd. I mean sure that's a bit cooler but to be like... "THIS ASPECT MAKES THIS GAME A 9/10 FOR ME" kind of boggles my mind.

It just feels like to me, the changes that the games did make are so completely minor and absolutely do not make up for things that were cut or just not included.
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Zigzagoon
11/25/19 1:52:10 PM
#81:


I think another important question to ask is. Do the people who like this game a lot or love it really want more from Pokemon?

Are you guys satisfied with such a shallow experience. Is it alright for it to just be a simple little romp where you fight a bunch of gyms and then the game's over?

What I'm asking is is that what the general pokemon populace wants? It's pretty clear now that that's exactly what Gamefreak's going to give us until the end of time but I guess I'm just surprised that there's a pretty big group of people that kind of just want that.

It just sucks for me because I would really love if Pokemon could be so much more than this shallow experience we're getting now. Especially since it's the biggest media franchise, it's just a shame.

Even MORE sucks for me because there are so few animal/creature focused game franchises that are even close to Pokemon's popularity.

Zelda and Mario get to have these fantastic games that give so much hope to their future and what will come next and then there's Pokemon where now it feels like I shouldn't even bother dreaming of what could or might be. What's the point? I'll just be disappointed.
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Leafeon13N
11/25/19 2:02:18 PM
#82:


I still have no idea what the villain wanted or why he couldn't just wait a day. We kind of accomplish exactly what he was trying to do. We are the champion and we caught the big ugly power hand
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HashtagSEP
11/25/19 2:08:20 PM
#83:


Zigzagoon posted...
If it's the Wild Area and Raids etc, then sure I guess. Those can be fun if that's your thing.


Wild area's okay, but raids are super fun, yeah. It actually gives me something to build up Pokemon for and do when the game is over, and it's something I can do with other people, which is neat.

Zigzagoon posted...
If it's the story / plot then I just don't really understand because there isn't one.

If it's just the gyms as a whole where you do a little mission then fight in front of a crowd... then uh... I guess if that's what really excites you...


I do wish there was more of a story, but I also love the primary objective being the gyms and how the game makes them feel like such a big deal. All the previous games basically made them feel like an afterthought while you controlled the ONE TRUE CHILD that was picked by God to stop Evil Team #74 from whatever barely explained scheme they're trying to get away with. Now, am I saying I want this every time? Outside of making the gyms actually feel important, no. But the traditional Pokemon story has been done to death so many times that I don't really miss it, and favor this approach this one time, even if I think it could have been better. Your main motivation being "Yo, I just wanna win" and the whole celebrity factor of it is refreshing.
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Leafeon13N
11/25/19 2:15:29 PM
#84:


But this game only feels gym focused because everything else was just cut. All the side areas those teams might comprise are just gone. And 75% of the routes in between have been gutted to a tiny experience. So you aren't even putting in the work to train and have an experience with your pokemon. Now you went from chosen child to overnight champion. Hell the game locks the day night cycle to make it really feel like the game happens over a couple days.

They gave you nothing and even just replaced having to make a gym battle location with a palette swap stadium.

Hell do any of the lobby areas even look different.
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Mewtwo59
11/25/19 2:17:37 PM
#85:


Yeah, even X/Y had unique backgrounds for the Gym Leader battles. Here it's the same one recolored.
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HashtagSEP
11/25/19 2:19:39 PM
#86:


Leafeon13N posted...
But this game only feels gym focused because everything else was just cut.


I mean, this is just wrong.

The game definitely makes the gym challenge a big deal. It's not just a "This is what's left" scenario.
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HashtagSEP
11/25/19 2:24:37 PM
#87:


Mewtwo59 posted...
Yeah, even X/Y had unique backgrounds for the Gym Leader battles. Here it's the same one recolored.


I think this is kinda just a "to each their own" kind of thing.

I personally prefer the look of the stadium backdrops, even if they're just recolors, over "Viola sits in a treehouse taking pictures of her own nonsensically designed gym all day like a crazy person."
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Snrkiko
11/25/19 2:26:46 PM
#88:


got a sirfecthd and it rocks

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HeroDelTiempo17
11/25/19 2:28:43 PM
#89:


Well I'll say I am also not all the way through yet and maybe I'll change my tune about it being in the better half later.

I think honestly that Pokemon is just filling its role as a casual series for me, because that is the thing that it's good at. A lot of the positive impressions I've seen are from revolving door fans that have been on a break like I have and of course this audience is going to like the game more. Gamefreak designs for this audience and not the hardcore fans. I got tired of the overwhelming sameness of the series during Gen 7 and so Gen 8 feels more refreshing. And maybe the wild area and raids will get old eventually but I think that's a bigger deal than totem fights and z-moves. Still liking them so far. My "hardcore" Pokemon experience consists basically of grinding up a good team and doing online, and I might stick around a bit for that again since I did it in gen 6.

I dont want to sit here and shit on XY because I think those are by far the worst Pokemon games I've completed, but this compares positively in basically every way. The world and Pokemon design are pretty great. Characters are much less obnoxious. XY has megas and that's it. I also don't think the older gens have aged particularly well so there is that.

Also shameless and obligatory "play Shin Megami Tensei" for monster collecting JRPGs that are actually great.

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Leafeon13N
11/25/19 2:28:46 PM
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The gyms are so important one is literally closed and doesn't even have a venue and what you'd think would be the most important gym doesn't even have a challenge or anything of note to go with it except for a plain floor and a near empty backdrop.
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HashtagSEP
11/25/19 2:33:47 PM
#91:


Leafeon13N posted...
The gyms are so important one is literally closed and doesn't even have a venue and what you'd think would be the most important gym doesn't even have a challenge or anything of note to go with it except for a plain floor and a near empty backdrop.


You're allowed to not like it, but you also gotta accept other people may and that they're not just automatically "wrong."

To say that the game doesn't make the gym challenge the focus/a big deal and that it's just "what's left" is silly.

You don't have to like it, but come on.
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Mewtwo59
11/25/19 2:34:22 PM
#92:


I don't know how you could get tired of the sameness in Gen 7 when it deviated from the formula more than any other game. Yeah, trials weren't that great in execution, but I applaud them for doing something different for once.
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Leafeon13N
11/25/19 2:39:34 PM
#93:


HashtagSEP posted...


To say that the game doesn't make the gym challenge the focus/a big deal and that it's just "what's left" is silly.
It absolutely is what is left though. You didn't suddenly gain anything from this. Gyms get slightly(and its very slightly) more story focus than before at the expense of... Literally everything else.
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LordoftheMorons
11/25/19 2:40:15 PM
#94:


SMT is good but also play Dragon Warrior Monsters 1 and 2

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HeroDelTiempo17
11/25/19 2:43:11 PM
#95:


Mewtwo59 posted...
I don't know how you could get tired of the sameness in Gen 7 when it deviated from the formula more than any other game. Yeah, trials weren't that great in execution, but I applaud them for doing something different for once.


The game kind of dragged still, and my point isnt that it didnt do anything new, it's that it was STILL too samey. It wasnt any appreciatively different to me.

7 generations and the big innovation is that GameFreak discovered boss fights? Come on.

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MichelBollinger
11/25/19 2:49:31 PM
#96:


Leafeon13N posted...
I still have no idea what the villain wanted or why he couldn't just wait a day. We kind of accomplish exactly what he was trying to do. We are the champion and we caught the big ugly power hand


This was so nonsensical. It should not feel like 30 minutes of CUTSCENES were removed from a Pokmon game. They even bring it up a couple times and completely handwaive it.
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MichelBollinger
11/25/19 2:50:56 PM
#97:


HashtagSEP posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
But this game only feels gym focused because everything else was just cut.


I mean, this is just wrong.

The game definitely makes the gym challenge a big deal. It's not just a "This is what's left" scenario.


It feels like they made the gym challenges and then made the rest of the game later.
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HashtagSEP
11/25/19 2:58:12 PM
#98:


MichelBollinger posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
But this game only feels gym focused because everything else was just cut.


I mean, this is just wrong.

The game definitely makes the gym challenge a big deal. It's not just a "This is what's left" scenario.


It feels like they made the gym challenges and then made the rest of the game later.


Now this feels like a valid complaint.

Saying "Oh they just cut everything and you're left with normal old gym experience" just doesn't seem fair since this gym experience is definitely much more focused on than any game previously.
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mnkboy907
11/25/19 4:29:17 PM
#99:


Oh my god, I just revived my first Arctozolt. That poor little guy is just constantly shivering his face off. Cara Liss needs to be behind bars.
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MichelBollinger
11/25/19 4:36:46 PM
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I think the big dumpy looking one says it can't breath or something??
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