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TheRock1525
10/06/19 11:57:10 PM
#251:


Rollins is the one who took the most long term damage here.

Like he might get legit "Roman Reigns after beating Taker at WM" heat tomorrow.
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StealThisSheen
10/07/19 12:17:22 AM
#252:


The crowd was initially chanting "restart the match" once Fiend got back up, so I don't think Bray himself is going to get go away heat, since the crowd clearly wanted him to win by that point.

The feud overall and Rollins, though, absolutely
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TheRock1525
10/07/19 12:20:44 AM
#253:


Yeah, the Fiend probably will be OK in the same way Ryback was fine for a little while after taking his first loss to Punk at HiaC.

Rollins is fucking toast.
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Lopen
10/07/19 12:29:45 AM
#254:


Did the crowd want him to win or did they just not want a DQ in a HiaC match I dunno

I feel like both will be getting booed out the building
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ninkendo
10/07/19 12:35:38 AM
#255:


Everyone in that building was definitely there to see Bray win
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TheRock1525
10/07/19 12:37:05 AM
#256:


They absolutely wanted him to win. That's why the crowd was booing so hard for the finisher fest and cheered like hell when he kicked out at 1.

And why they chanted "RESTART MATCH."

I think they would have been pretty pissed about a Rollins retain at that point.
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StealThisSheen
10/07/19 12:41:08 AM
#257:


Lopen posted...
Did the crowd want him to win or did they just not want a DQ in a HiaC match I dunno

I feel like both will be getting booed out the building


It was pretty clear they wanted him to win, since they were cheering his kickouts/booing Rollins finisher spam long before that, and the "restart match" chant didn't start until Bray was kicking his ass again.
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Lopen
10/07/19 12:43:22 AM
#258:


I feel like people would just as likely be booing the finisher fest in principle

I dunno I just don't know how you have a match that stupid and don't say the guy no-selling 8000 things is getting damage to him as well. Like if Bray just wins clean after taking all that rather than the stupid DQ finish do you think the audience is going home happy? Man I hope it's not that simple. I mean obviously they boo less but I feel like that's just a small part of the problem.

At least I hope it is. Like the match is kinda just insulting the intelligence of the viewers at this point and imo Bray's wacky character tanking 8000 things is the root cause but what do I know
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TheRock1525
10/07/19 12:45:04 AM
#259:


Lopen posted...
Like if Bray just wins clean after taking all that rather than the stupid DQ finish do you think the audience is going home happy? Man I hope it's not that simple.


It absolutely is that simple.
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Jakyl25
10/07/19 12:46:21 AM
#260:


I really get the vibe that this is a significant moment in history, the way Goldberg losing was.
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TheRock1525
10/07/19 12:47:34 AM
#261:


It could be WWE's Fingerpoke. The only thing it was lacking was an AEW PPV opposite it.
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StealThisSheen
10/07/19 12:48:35 AM
#262:


Lopen posted...
Like if Bray just wins clean after taking all that rather than the stupid DQ finish do you think the audience is going home happy?


Yeah I absolutely think the crowd would've been happy if that happened, based on their reactions. It actually kinda works if the entire point of how silly the match was is to put Fiend over as an unbeatable monster that is now champion and who the hell is gonna beat him

They were specifically pissed off because it was a DQ finish in a Hell in a Cell and a PPV match literally ended the exact same way as a 5 minute segment on Smackdown.
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NBIceman
10/07/19 12:52:47 AM
#263:


Jakyl25 posted...
I really get the vibe that this is a significant moment in history, the way Goldberg losing was.

Maybe now people will realize now that the whole "WWE is going to be forced to actually try with AEW in the mix now" idea is just flawed from the start.

THIS IS THEM TRYING! THEY'VE BEEN TRYING EVER SINCE THE AEW WHISPERS FIRST STARTED! The last year has already been what they think is good. If anything, they're doubling down on their bullshit because they think it's what they're good at.
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Lopen
10/07/19 1:00:53 AM
#264:


I dunno man I guess I didn't actually watch the match so I'll concede to you but reading the recap the dumbest thing about it seems like everything involving The Fiend. The lighting, the insane amount of kick outs.

We saw a DQ in a HiaC literally last year. Yes it was stupid then too but it didn't have people rioting.

I mean I dunno I just think the core of the problem is WWE putting out stuff that's impossible to take seriously more than a DQ in a no DQ match, though the whole of all the blunders is worth more than the sum of its parts here.

But if you wanna say it's all the DQ I can't really say you're wrong for sure
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StealThisSheen
10/07/19 1:05:47 AM
#265:


To be fair, it's less the concept of the DQ itself and more the fact they used a DQ of all things to protect Rollins, and in the dumbest way possible

The crowd was behind Fiend from the start and got into the kickouts.

It was when all of that proved to be pointless because WWE just decided to go "match ends here no winner sry try back later"

Like it was just insulting since they made it clear they didn't want to pull the trigger on the one good thing they've built up
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Lopen
10/07/19 1:09:19 AM
#266:


See like I don't even feel they did it to protect Rollins as much as to prevent The Fiend from winning the title since they don't know what to do with it. I mean that could be wrong but if you're telling me the intent was to protect Rollins I feel they failed miserably.
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StealThisSheen
10/07/19 1:14:40 AM
#267:


Oh, it might not have been to protect Rollins and could have been to just not give Fiend the title, but that seems kinda irrelevant since both reasons are stupid and tone deaf.
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Lopen
10/07/19 1:19:59 AM
#268:


I'm just saying I almost feel bad for Rollins if he gets nuked for that match

Feels like your hate should go at WWE > Fiend > Rollins in that order for how much they contributed to the idiocy of the match
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StealThisSheen
10/07/19 1:27:59 AM
#269:


Well, it should 100% go to WWE because their writing is fucking stupid

It probably won't go to Fiend because the crowd wanted him to win and were into all the kickouts and crap

It'll probably go to Rollins because he's basically the Reigns in this situation and also his character is really bad and it was full on display
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scarletspeed7
10/07/19 1:28:46 AM
#270:


It SHOULD go to Rollins. He's been involved in most of the bad storytelling since Mania.
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Eddv
10/07/19 2:08:04 AM
#271:


Wasn't this story designed to have Rollins in a sympathetic role?

It is his fault - he's been basically awful since this time last year and is only where he is because Roman got cancer and was the best they could do.

But as we argued over last week the guy is in most of our estimations not even as good as Kofi at this point in time.

He's gonna get nuked and he deserves it. But this was never going to go WELL. The red light and overall conceit were fucking stupid.
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TheRock1525
10/07/19 3:30:59 AM
#272:


Honestly, this might have been the result of Fox wanting the Fiend on Smackdown so he couldn't win the title, but also Fox wanting him not to look weak so he couldn't just outright lose to Rollins, but at the same time USA doesn't want their RAW champion to look like a chump so he had to beat the shit out of Bray during the match.

Like tonight was very much about putting the players in place for their respective shows. USA got the power couple in Rollynch, Fox got Charlotte Flair as the top female act. Obviously they already got Lesnar and must have wanted the Fiend, too, based on the response to him on their first show.
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Eddv
10/07/19 4:07:18 AM
#273:


Putting a little too much faith in wwe here.
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RPGlord95
10/07/19 5:54:58 AM
#274:


I refuse to believe this is WWE trying. It's too pathetic
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Steiner
10/07/19 6:36:11 AM
#275:


Will Ospreay seems to be indicating he'll have Elevated back for King of Pro Wrestling
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Eddv
10/07/19 6:55:07 AM
#276:


Steiner posted...
Will Ospreay seems to be indicating he'll have Elevated back for King of Pro Wrestling


Just for that show or for good?
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Steiner
10/07/19 6:58:24 AM
#277:


Eddv posted...
Steiner posted...
Will Ospreay seems to be indicating he'll have Elevated back for King of Pro Wrestling


Just for that show or for good?

https://twitter.com/WillOspreay/status/1181136832148332544

i'd take it as for good but, can't be sure i suppose
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PrivateBiscuit1
10/07/19 7:01:28 AM
#278:


I have had the worst weekend of my entire life that will never be topped.

But for some reason hearing how ridiculously stupid WWE was during a PPV main event makes me feel a little bit better.
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ZeroSignal620
10/07/19 7:13:26 AM
#279:


Your Wrestlecrap ****er of the Year, ladies and gentlemen.

This made Goldberg vs Taker look like a classic, cause...

1) That match had two excuses for being bad, one being Goldberg hitting his head on the ring post, and two being they were wrestling outdoors in 100 degree weather
2) That match had the decency to not go over 10 minutes, unlike this dumpster fire
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Steiner
10/07/19 7:16:44 AM
#280:


just be glad the fiend didn't win or else you'd have had this type of ppv match every month!
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ZeroSignal620
10/07/19 7:24:53 AM
#281:


REAL question is...

...is this the worst Hell in a Cell match ever? The only one I can think of that was this bad in recent years was Undertaker vs Kane

On an unrelated note, Charlotte's win over Bayley makes her The Man once again!
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Tom Bombadil
10/07/19 7:34:31 AM
#282:


Steiner posted...
just be glad the fiend didn't win or else you'd have had this type of ppv match every month!


but I thought you liked dumb squashes

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RaidenGarai
10/07/19 7:40:35 AM
#283:


WWE has shown a refusal to run with people while they're hot. Look at Strowman when he caught fire, and I don't think people were as into him as they are the Fiend now.

When I read the recap I thought it seemed bad, but hearing about it from people that actually watched makes it seem like the recap can't capture just how awful it really was.
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Steiner
10/07/19 7:43:47 AM
#284:


Tom Bombadil posted...
Steiner posted...
just be glad the fiend didn't win or else you'd have had this type of ppv match every month!


but I thought you liked dumb squashes


the thing that sounded bad about this wasn't it being a squash, it was the non finish
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Strife2
10/07/19 8:03:07 AM
#285:


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Lopen
10/07/19 10:49:17 AM
#286:


RaidenGarai posted...
Look at Strowman when he caught fire, and I don't think people were as into him as they are the Fiend now.


I really don't think so

Fiend may seem more over because of the absolute star power vacuum right now but yeah
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Jakyl25
10/07/19 10:54:14 AM
#287:


ZeroSignal620 posted...
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...is this the worst Hell in a Cell match ever? The only one I can think of that was this bad in recent years was Undertaker vs Kane


I would still rather rewatch this over Taker vs Bossman
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HashtagSEP
10/07/19 11:39:11 AM
#288:


I think the issue with this match is it literally went nowhere and meant nothing

Even with as silly as some of it was, if it actually ended up being a definitive Fiend win in order to really put him over, it'd be fine. Not a good match, but fine enough for the angle. But instead it accomplishes literally nothing, so it makes everything that happened in it that much worse.
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TheRock1525
10/07/19 12:54:56 PM
#289:


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ZeroSignal620
10/07/19 1:59:11 PM
#291:


Jakyl25 posted...
ZeroSignal620 posted...
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...is this the worst Hell in a Cell match ever? The only one I can think of that was this bad in recent years was Undertaker vs Kane


I would still rather rewatch this over Taker vs Bossman


So basically... (no order here)

Taker vs Bossman
Taker vs Kane
Rollins vs Fiend

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XIII_rocks
10/07/19 2:08:41 PM
#292:


HHH/Nash?

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RaidenGarai
10/07/19 3:44:47 PM
#293:


Lopen posted...
RaidenGarai posted...
Look at Strowman when he caught fire, and I don't think people were as into him as they are the Fiend now.


I really don't think so

Fiend may seem more over because of the absolute star power vacuum right now but yeah


I always assume that I overestimate how big Strowman was at the time because he's still one of my favorites.

That Brazzers thing is amazing
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ninkendo
10/07/19 3:59:00 PM
#294:


Over at Wrestling Observer Radio, Dave Meltzer said that Vince decided to do the DQ finish because its important to him, as this new era begins for WWE, to have Seth Rollins, Brock Lesnar, Becky Lynch, and Charlotte Flair as the top champions, serving as the faces of the company.

However, Sapp reported that although one backstage source told him that Vince initially laughed off the crowd reaction, others countered that he knew he messed up and was taking the negative crowd reaction seriously. Whats done is done, of course, but it will be interesting to say how they attempt to smooth things over with fans going forward.




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ZeroSignal620
10/07/19 4:20:34 PM
#295:


XIII_rocks posted...
HHH/Nash?


That'd probably be the next one or one of the next. Okay I got the potential bottom 5 (no order)

Taker vs Bossman
HHH vs Nash
Taker vs Kane
Taker vs Shane
Rollins vs Fiend
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Whiskey_Nick
10/07/19 4:31:22 PM
#296:


Henry vs Orton?
Punk vs Ryback?
Punk vs Ryback II?
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XIII_rocks
10/07/19 4:54:11 PM
#297:


Those just felt a bit routine, like they could have been mediocre Smackdown no DQ main events

I thought about all three of those earlier and I don't think any of them are offensively bad, though probably in a bottom 10 or 15.

And the finish to the first Punk/Ryback was hilarious (and ridiculous).

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TheRock1525
10/08/19 2:33:39 AM
#298:


https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1181260026272456705

I'm... not sure the group you want to be emulating in your "wins/losses matter" concept is the NCAA Playoff Football Committee.
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ScareChan
10/08/19 4:03:46 AM
#299:


Im wondering if the lack of any talk of raw is because of hiac or because of raw
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ninkendo
10/08/19 4:04:23 AM
#300:


ScareChan posted...
Im wondering if the lack of any talk of raw is because of hiac or because of raw

https://twitter.com/MrBrandonStroud/status/1181407040192831489
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Steiner
10/08/19 5:11:17 AM
#301:


ScareChan posted...
Im wondering if the lack of any talk of raw is because of hiac or because of raw


When do we really talk raw in here?
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