Board 8 > Survivor Island of Idols/BB21 Discussion - Rob and Sandra are conspiring bitches

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This reunion is...fucking...wow. So many callouts.
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and not let her see it

jesus
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not enough water
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No Sam, huh?
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XD jackson is so shook
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so I watched like the first week of this seasons and its a real shame David got evicted so early. He seems really well spoken and smart and probably would have been nice to have around over the usual BB trash
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respect to BB for calling all this out at the finale though
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I wished they mentioned the first three out being minorities too
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Like I said earlier, it's gotta be Nicole > Cliff and Kat for fan fave, right?
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GTM posted...

I wished they mentioned the first three out being minorities too

I think the visual is enough, specifically with Sam not speaking.
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any chance for tommy?
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GTM posted...

any chance for tommy?

Nah, too close to Christie.
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I'm gonna predict Nicole over Cliff/Tommy.
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Michie cant even look at the camera
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Shit tier ending but I'm so happy he cant even be happy about it.
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Underleveled posted...

Shit tier ending but I'm so happy he cant even be happy about it.

True. Very, very true. At least at the very end, they didn't whitewash his bullshit.
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"wheres momma"

that said, Im sad that he's sad :(
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Peridiam posted...

I think the final vote will go one of three ways:

Jackson wins 7-2, gets everyone but Kat/Jess.
Jackson wins 6-3, Nicole also votes for Holly.
Jackson wins 8-1, Jess pulls a Topaz.

Knew it! >->
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Well I stand corrected with Tommy. So so so happy for Nicole.
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jackson's shook about the racism accusations
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Yeah. Michie winning fucking SUCKS, but the fact that he left the house in complete misery is just...it almost makes up for a douchebag like him winning 500k.
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she was so shocked she was even top 3, yeah that was nice
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well that sure was an episode of big brother
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Good.

I've never seen a winner so upset and serious after just being awarded the money and he deserves it.
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sorry Comm
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Inviso posted...

Yeah. Michie winning fucking SUCKS, but the fact that he left the house in complete misery is just...it almost makes up for a douchebag like him winning 500k.

I agree.
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What happened? Did they accuse him of being racist like GTM said?

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Mewtwo59 posted...

What happened? Did they accuse him of being racist like GTM said?

Yep.
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Mewtwo59 posted...

What happened? Did they accuse him of being racist like GTM said?

Yes. Basically, Tommy accused him of misogyny in his jury speech (which he denied and feigned ignorance about). Then Kemi accused him of treating her like shit (which he denied and feigned ignorance about, like Kemi could possibly vote for him). And then Julie called him out for being accused of racism for his actions in the first few weeks (which left him completely flustered for the rest of the episode.)
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julie talked about him nomming david, kemi, jess and cliff. julie said that jackson said it was cause kemi didnt talk to him and 3 also raised their hands to be camp counselor, but said that some people thought it was cause 3 were minorities and one was old, and asked him to respond.

when he came out, he didnt smile and seemed really shook up

then at credits, he met with who I assumed were his parents, and you can hear him say "im not a racist" to them
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GTM posted...

I wished they mentioned the first three out being minorities too

Coincidence.

Jackson's Day 1 banishments had nothing to do with anything but them being the other people who chose to stand out.

None of this changes that he's a douche, mind you. It's just your typical racists overreacting and making everything toxic.
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Even if it wasnt, i thought it would be worth discussing anyways, since it happens more often than not that early boots are minorities, and this season it had a lot of coverage on it
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no happy montages and no part 1 hoh, where did all the time go?
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Personally I think it has more to do with BB casting than anything. People gravitate towards people that are like themselves, whether consciously or subconsciously. And when you cast 9-10 young, fit, attractive, outgoing white people every year, they WILL band together and form a majority against the remaining - the minorities, eccentrics, and token old guy.
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Time to slot BB21 into my ranking. I'm glad I waited, because that finale definitely changed some placements around.
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It moved one person up a bit for me but I think everyone else is staying the same.

I have to sleep on this and see if I want to switch my 77 and 76... it's tough...
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The biggest problem with Big Brother casting is the season's length. The reason we get so many twentysomethings is because there are very few married older people willing to quit their jobs and leave behind their spouses and children for a 1/16 chance at half a million. We get a lot of the younger, more transient crowd who don't have as much to leave behind - and the older folks we do get have enough stability in some way.

BB can produce a different outcome than alliances like the Level Six Shooters dominating simply by shortening the game's length and thus allowing for more open casting. They need to find a way to cast more people in their 30s and 40s, and the only way to do so is to not make the game ninety nine days long.

REMEMBER: The advertising demo is 18-49, so that has to play a part as well. The idiots that suggest "a season with only people 40 y/o and older" don't seem to understand how that would get the show canceled.

This finale is also terrible for casting because of how life-ruining it is. I really don't get why anyone goes on the show anyway. People get offended by one innocent thing said on feeds and suddenly your life is ruined.
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I think I'll bite. Tbqh at various points in the FY all of my bottom 5 were vying for the bottom spot so.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

This finale is also terrible for casting because of how life-ruining it is. I really don't get why anyone goes on the show anyway. People get offended by one innocent thing said on feeds and suddenly your life is ruined.

Not to mention that you have no idea what is being said in the outside world, where as on Survivor, if shit starts coming up about you during the season, you are present to defend yourself.
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Wasn't CBB2 basically a 40+ y/o Big Brother season?

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I mean, it happens in survivor too, and thats 3x shorter than BB
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And just because there is logical reasoning for it doesn't excuse it
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Mewtwo59 posted...

Wasn't CBB2 basically a 40+ y/o Big Brother season?

Basically. And it was pretty great.

Of the 12, four were in their 30s, five in their 40s, and three in their 50s.
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Oh and since I didn't say it two hours ago, Survivor premier was on the low end of mid tier as far as Survivor premiers go for me.
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Mewtwo59 posted...

Wasn't CBB2 basically a 40+ y/o Big Brother season?

Pretty much, yeah.

It was also only a month long. And that's what's critical.

Underleveled posted...

Not to mention that you have no idea what is being said in the outside world, where as on Survivor, if shit starts coming up about you during the season, you are present to defend yourself.

Yeah, this also. And sometimes your fellow castaways will vouch for you, too. With Big Brother... the pre-jury isn't going to do that except for their closest allies.
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As a relatively recent watcher of BB, I'm fairly convinced at this point that this isn't the show for me. It seems like I may have come in at a bad time in the series (like if someone jumped into Survivor at 21 and watched through 24 and went "this show sucks," or Amazing Race 19-24) but it doesn't seem like it could change much without some serious retooling. I'll probably give it one more go next summer but if it doesn't blow me out of the water I think I'm done. I think I said that last summer but whatever. I will keep watching CBB though.
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Go back and watch the older, better seasons. Modern BB doesnt really hold a candle to what it used to be. 2-7 are great. 10 is also great.

Its a time commitment but theres a lot there to enjoy.
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how will I watch it without taran's live feed updates? D:
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Underleveled posted...

Inviso posted...

Yeah. Michie winning fucking SUCKS, but the fact that he left the house in complete misery is just...it almost makes up for a douchebag like him winning 500k.

I agree.

I'm with you guys. All of that stuff was still coming his way the second this was done but they really stole one of the best moments of his life for something he was going to have to face for the rest of his life.
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Also, I actually really liked Survivor last night but like with EoE it doesn't feel sustainable for the standard 1 hour block.
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